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Election Night party at Human's place![edit]

I'm going to try to make it, take my iPod Touch for my traditional election-night-at-the-bar. Sterilesnore! 16:30, 3 November 2008 (EST)

I may or may not end up live blogging some of it, but it sound more fun to hang here.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Does this sig line make me look fat? 17:01, 3 November 2008 (EST)

I'm here a little early, already cast my vote (Obama) and I'm watching Fahrenheit 911 (to anger up the blood) and drinking a scotch on the rocks. I'm ready to go! Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 14:57, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Sadly, I'm tome-zoned out of this. But I'll be having a drink with you in spirit. Spit.gif Try to catch up again first thing - but I bet everybody will have gone home. Have a good night - at least everything looks positive so far.--Bobbing up 16:19, 4 November 2008 (EST)
I am here, but worthless till the data starts coming in. I am in bad shape.....I will have barely survived this election. I need to get off the crack. tmtoulouse 17:16, 4 November 2008 (EST)
BBC have all-night live coverage. We'll see how long I last. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 17:26, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Yah, I've been watching. Did you notice how McCain has a bodyguard who is the spitting image of Agent Smith? --JeevesMkII 17:39, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Missed him, but I love Newsnight's Magic MapTM. In the old country, we didn't have Magic Maps like that. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Gah, if it weren't for Oxford admission tests tomorrow morning, I'd be pulling an all-nighter. P.S. - what's your opinion of the Magical Weather Forecast map? --מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!
Just you wait for your first British general election, with the almighty swingometer! Of course, it's not the same now it's a computer graphic rather than a physical device. --JeevesMkII 18:13, 4 November 2008 (EST)
That does look like a delightful contraption indeed. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 18:38, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Hmmm... I'm don't know if I'm going to be able to participate any more tonight... no signal, methinks.... Kentucky and Indiana results, here we come... Sterilevote!

UNDENT--Off to a party, will check in when I get back. GO NADER!!!! PFoster 19:17, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Yay, Christopher Hitchens on BBC election coverage, and he's relatively sober! An historic night indeed! --JeevesMkII 19:19, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Reception works... Sterilevote! 19:33, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Ok, I see Mccain running ahead in VA, Obama running ahead in NC... these running totals on the BBC website are a bit strange. We'll have to wait until every county declares, or whatever the clone eels do out there. Totnesmartin 20:00, 4 November 2008 (EST)

NBC called Pennsylvania for Obama! Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 20:03, 4 November 2008 (EST)
You know, this is the first election I've ever watched exclusively on the internet not just with the internet as supplementary material. I'm streaming BBC news and watching the BBC and Guardian maps (The guardian one is rubbish.) It's like I'm finally living in the future. --JeevesMkII 20:13, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Obama currently ahead in Texas? The urban areas must be counting first. Totnesmartin 20:20, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Obama's won. Hopefully you Americans will be getting Universal health care etc. Proxima Centauri 04:05, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Senate races[edit]

538 says Kay Hagan (the Godless American Sunday school teacher, or so Elizabeth Dole thought) took the NC senate seat that was up against Dole. --Shagie

Dems have 48 senators. Woot!! - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 20:38, 4 November 2008 (EST)
48? Is that ones not up for re-election plus called races? Is that 60 yet? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:54, 4 November 2008 (EST)
MSNBC has 54 now, 8 undecided. - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 22:23, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Beverages[edit]

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  • Rum and coke for me. tmtoulouse 19:29, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Would you settle for an empty 7up glass? I have one around here somewhere I think... ħumanUser talk:Human 19:36, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Red bull for me. mussst stayyy awaaake... Totnesmartin 20:05, 4 November 2008 (EST)

  • I'm here. Speakerface and I are getting drunk. I'll keep it short as I am on a Nintendo DS. Speakerface is on the computer. --Edgerunner76Tah-daaaaaaah! 20:13, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Welcome everyone!!! I can't start in on the hard stuff quite yet, have some "work" to finish up that requires minimal dexterity. Did someone get Trent his rum and coke? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:53, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Vittles[edit]

Yummy goat pilaf!

Hash browns (McCain's, of course)! Totnesmartin 20:41, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Hey everyone, glad you could make it!!! There's a buffet of yummy snacks over on the wall opposite the multi-screen TVs and "laptop row"... Enjoy!

Platitudes, optimism, and random results[edit]

PA and NH called for Obama! Yay! Shehan, Warner and Hagen called in senate so far +3 for the good guys. This looks awesome!!! tmtoulouse 20:30, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Seems like this is quickly moving from "Obama or McCain?" to "Obama landslide or not?". I can't honestly see how McCain can win this unless he manages to take Colorado or something equally unlikely. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 20:39, 4 November 2008 (EST)
I came here to add the call for Jeanne (Shaheen) for Senator from NH. We didn't get to throw one of our GOP bums out 2 years ago, so this was very sweet. Here in Lee around 75% of registered voters (60% or so of eligible?) turned out on a lovely late fall day. ħumanUser talk:Human 20:47, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Hmm, it also seems NH is running 60 - 38 for Obama. !!! ħumanUser talk:Human 20:50, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Obama's lead seems to be shrinking in Florida. Now 51-48. Totnesmartin 20:52, 4 November 2008 (EST)
It would be awesome if he won FL. Anyone notice that most states seem to be running 60-40 whichever way they are leaning? ħumanUser talk:Human 20:57, 4 November 2008 (EST)

McCain's lead in Virginia is shrinking (now 52-47, 50% counted) Totnesmartin 21:21, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Now 49.8-49.3 for McCain Totnesmartin 21:32, 4 November 2008 (EST)

ARGH DAMN YOU VIRGINIA!!!!. tmtoulouse 21:15, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Fox News calls Ohio for Obama Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 21:22, 4 November 2008 (EST)

BBC as well. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 21:29, 4 November 2008 (EST)
BBC has McCain 0.3% ahead in Indiana,with two-thirds counted. That would be a cool sneak win for Obama. Inshallah. Totnesmartin 22:06, 4 November 2008 (EST)
John Bolton sounds a little unhappy right now. Wonder why. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 22:15, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Awwww, poor ickle bolty-wolty. Totnesmartin 22:33, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Remember it's likely that rural districts report more slowly, so many Obama leads may get narrowed as the night goes by. At NBC they have it Obama about 200+ to 135, with 50.1% of the popular vote. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:39, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Yes, that would explain why Obama is ahead in Utah. Totnesmartin 22:47, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Damnatio memoriae[edit]

Not to take away from Obama, but I propose that the theme of tonight should be damnatio memoriae on President Bush. --Edgerunner76Tah-daaaaaaah! 20:37, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Who? Totnesmartin 20:40, 4 November 2008 (EST)
You know, that guy in that movie. tmtoulouse 21:01, 4 November 2008 (EST)
What, Iron Man?Totnesmartin 21:10, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Exactly. tmtoulouse 21:15, 4 November 2008 (EST)
I'm really relly tired..! Oh wait! OHIO!!!!!!-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Does this sig line make me look fat? 21:24, 4 November 2008 (EST)
I have it on good authority that if Obama wins, Ed Poor has to blow the assfly. If Obama looses, Ken has to do it.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Does this sig line make me look fat? 21:27, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Fuck me! Penn and Ohio!-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Does this sig line make me look fat? 21:30, 4 November 2008 (EST)
No thanks! -- Antifly Now with 50% less retirement! 21:32, 4 November 2008 (EST)
I thought CP sysops had to blow DA MANAGEMENT as a matter of course no matter who is in office. I think it might be time to wander out to tesco for vittles. --JeevesMkII 21:30, 4 November 2008 (EST)
The blue part of the map looks just like the Great BLackout. Except Ontario. Trent, you better have done your absentee.-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Does this sig line make me look fat? 21:33, 4 November 2008 (EST)
My Absentee was fed exed the same day I got it. tmtoulouse 21:43, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Ohio victory bananas[edit]

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Sweetness :) --Robledo 21:32, 4 November 2008 (EST)

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The Assfly dances for Joy sadness. --JeevesMkII 21:35, 4 November 2008 (EST)

That is teh AWESOME!!!1-- Asclepius staff.png-PalMD --Does this sig line make me look fat? 21:37, 4 November 2008 (EST)
XD Somebody animate Obama shooting at the fucker's feet! --Robledo 21:39, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Make the nasty man go away! Actually, how is Schlafly spinning this on his webshite? Totnesmartin 21:41, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Relatively calmly, so far. --Robledo 21:52, 4 November 2008 (EST)
The Obama page said he was the 44th President there for a while. - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 22:26, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Well, if he wins, it gives them a clear target for four to eight to twelve years. The Kristian Majority loves it when they can play Oppressed Minority! (intentionally misspelled so as not to tar and feather "real" Christians) ħumanUser talk:Human 22:43, 4 November 2008 (EST)

New Mexico[edit]

That is right...that is right....home sweet home. tmtoulouse 21:33, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Throw in Cali, Oregon, Washington, and Hawai'i, and that's 277. Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 21:47, 4 November 2008 (EST)
can I stop worrying about the Bradley Effect now? Totnesmartin 21:53, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Virginia[edit]

Virginia is for Obama lovers!

Looks like Obama just overtook McC in VA. Margin of only a few thousand according to ABC. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 21:56, 4 November 2008 (EST)

8,212 ahead according to the beeb. Totnesmartin 22:00, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Gah. Lead growing in Virginia, shrinking in North Carolina. Fingers crossed, anus puckered. --JeevesMkII 22:17, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Only needs one. Also up and down in Florida, but averaging 2% Obama. Hovering around 0.1-0.2% difference in NC, which is indeed rectally challenging. Totnesmartin 22:31, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Fox just called Viginia for Obama. Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 22:47, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Missouri looks like it could get interesting as well. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 22:49, 4 November 2008 (EST)

The Daily Show/Colbert Report team just called VA for Obama. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:57, 4 November 2008 (EST)

It's just gone blue on the pretty flash map. Huzzah! --JeevesMkII 23:00, 4 November 2008 (EST)

North Carolina[edit]

Level EEEK! Totnesmartin 22:34, 4 November 2008 (EST)

And McCain pulls ahead by 0.2 Totnesmartin 22:40, 4 November 2008 (EST)
...and drops back again. Totnesmartin 23:08, 4 November 2008 (EST)
...and back to Obama. Totnesmartin 23:18, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Florida[edit]

Tiny gain by McCain - now only 2.3% behind (was 2.4). Totnesmartin 22:03, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Obama up by 130,000 with 64% reporting, per MSNBC. Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 22:05, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Tiny gain blown out - now 3%. Totnesmartin 22:12, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Where'ya getting your info? I'm sitting here in Orlando sweating my balls off. Going to Obama will end this election much more quickly. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 22:16, 4 November 2008 (EST)
The BBC election map Totnesmartin 22:29, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Awesome, so much better than these ghey live feeds. Thanks! AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 22:39, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Indiana[edit]

...looks to be very close as well. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 22:04, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Out of 2.4 millio votes, McCain is ahead by only 5,000. Totnesmartin 22:54, 4 November 2008 (EST)
ABC News has Obama slightly ahead now. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 22:57, 4 November 2008 (EST)
BBC also. A black US prez... wow. Totnesmartin 23:09, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Yes. Wow. "This is the dawning of a new era..." as The Specials sang in about 1979. Happy tears all around! ħumanUser talk:Human 02:40, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Iowa[edit]

Did anyone just see Iowa go to Obama? - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 22:05, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Fox News[edit]

I like the results;

Site Obama McCain
538 284 130
MSNBC 207 135
CNN 207 95
Fox News 0 0

I see they have taken the denialist approach. - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 22:16, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Another round of drinks[edit]

I think we might need these soon :)

This is looking to be well-worth lubrication. Now, if Obama can be a JFK or LBJ or FDR and not a WJC... ħumanUser talk:Human 22:45, 4 November 2008 (EST)

I'll be bringing out the champagne shortly. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 22:46, 4 November 2008 (EST)
It would be nice to see a chain of "blue states" stretching from coast to coast. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:49, 4 November 2008 (EST)–
Oh shoot, I dreamed and hoped too soon, there's a solid pillar of Ken from Texass to the Canadistanian border :( ħumanUser talk:Human 22:51, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Does Nebraska count as a pink state? Maybe you can declare it neutral to get your connecting states :D --JeevesMkII 22:52, 4 November 2008 (EST)
And don't forget Montana. I have a good feeling about Montana. For some reason. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 22:55, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Obama appears to have a 10% lead for Montana, but for only 3 electoral votes who cares anyway! AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 22:59, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Colorado[edit]

Colorado hasn't been called yet, but the local papers are going to print with Obama winning the state... Oh yeah, the Personhood amendment to the state constitution got absolutely destroyed. SirChuckBCall the FBI 22:49, 4 November 2008 (EST)

good, that was ludicrous. Totnesmartin

CBS to call presidency[edit]

OMGZ111!111!11eleventyONE!

...on the hour, according to BBC 5 live. tune in, Americans. Totnesmartin 22:57, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Well, gentlemen at this website, I think that was that. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 23:01, 4 November 2008 (EST)
And CNN too. Come on Fox, what's keeping you? Cat got your tongue? Totnesmartin 23:03, 4 November 2008 (EST)
The Beeb map has Obama at 297 EVs. ħumanUser talk:Human 23:02, 4 November 2008 (EST)
ABC just called it. Woo hoo! --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 23:04, 4 November 2008 (EST)
and true to form, CP protects his article page! HAHAHAAAA!!!! Totnesmartin 23:16, 4 November 2008 (EST)

We need something good on the Main Page. Proxima Centauri 00:20, 5 November 2008 (EST)

YAY!!!


ħumanUser talk:Human 23:07, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Hail to the chief![edit]

HUZZAH! YOU US AMERICANS DONE GOOD. Now, just take Arizona just to rub your collective genitalia in McCain's face plz. --JeevesMkII 23:04, 4 November 2008 (EST)

I have no words other than: Awesome. tmtoulouse 23:08, 4 November 2008 (EST)

I'm looking forward to four years (at least) of good science and reproductive freedom. Finally. Culturally, it's significant that CO and ND (or SD, I can't remember) defeated anti-abortion initiatives and that MI passed a medical marijuana bill. Decriminalization in MA is no surprise, but it makes me want to try and get a residency at Mass General. Well, it's a really good hospital to begin with... CorryDr. Funke's 100 Percent Natural Good Time Family Band Solution 23:10, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Gentlemen, start your drinking! :) --Robledo 23:11, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Idiots voted yes to amendment 2 here in Florida, which was a total lie (defining marriage as a man and woman, when there are already 4 laws outlawing gay marriage). All these old people just gave away some of their benefits. I'm moving, any ideas? :P AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 23:13, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Where in Fl? I used to live in Jax. CorryDr. Funke's 100 Percent Natural Good Time Family Band Solution 23:16, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Orlando, not 5 minutes from downtown. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 23:20, 4 November 2008 (EST)
It's good to see FL go blue. CorryDr. Funke's 100 Percent Natural Good Time Family Band Solution 23:30, 4 November 2008 (EST)

This is not a phrase I use lightly, but for a lot of different reasons, this is indeed a historic moment. Allow me to say both "congratulations" and "thank you very much" to you fine people from the US. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 23:14, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Are we now forgiven for the horrible "we're sorry" four years ago? I hope we actually have to earn that... but, thank you. :) ħumanUser talk:Human 02:44, 5 November 2008 (EST)

McCain concedes. CorryDr. Funke's 100 Percent Natural Good Time Family Band Solution 23:16, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Regardless of the contentiousness of this campaign, McCain goes out with grace, style, and sincerity. CorryDr. Funke's 100 Percent Natural Good Time Family Band Solution 23:26, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Indeed, it's an excellent speech. If he'd made some more like that, he might have had a better chance. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 23:28, 4 November 2008 (EST)
To paraphrase the Bard, "Nothing in his campaign became him like the leaving it." DickTurpis 23:31, 4 November 2008 (EST)
The "party" screwed him by sticking him with Palin. I think, really, after that, he stopped wanting to win. And the accidental October Surprise of the financial meltdown made it all academic. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:44, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Obama Obama Obama - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 23:31, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Looks like it'll be just short of 370 electoral votes for Obama, if he keeps NC and IN. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 23:33, 4 November 2008 (EST)
Dammit, hurry up and make yer victory speech. I've got a Bond film and some fireworks to see today, and I'd like to get some sleep first. --JeevesMkII 23:35, 4 November 2008 (EST)
And about 53% of the popular vote. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 23:41, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Just checked the other site to see their take and I got Conservapedia has a problem. Don't think there's ever been better timing for for that. DickTurpis 23:46, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Aye. I've just been trying to tease Andy. No dice... :( --Robledo 23:48, 4 November 2008 (EST)
That's just sublime. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 23:50, 4 November 2008 (EST)
I think people are fighting to change articles to say Obama won. They are protecting and reverting anything that says he won. But who gives a shit about Andy and his ilk, tonight is a victory against that kind thinking. People were not scared by those sort of irrational lies. - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 23:52, 4 November 2008 (EST)


Wait, I was away for all of the analysis (yay band practice), but isn't it rather stupid of McCain to concede this early? What happens if the 1/3 of votes that were cast early turns the tide? JazzMan 00:13, 5 November 2008 (EST)

A little hopeful thinking isn't it? Especially seeing as it was the Democrats that were getting people out early. - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 00:29, 5 November 2008 (EST)
I didn't say I hope he wins, I asked if it was responsible to call the election before a very large portion of the votes were counted. JazzMan 01:08, 5 November 2008 (EST)
The "odds" as presented are statistically sound - McCain wsa pwned and had no real way to "win" via uncounted ballots. So he did what any decent politician does in the circumstances - admits the obvious. And his concession speech was well-written, and well-presented, in my opinion. Of course, it was totally overshadowed by Obama's awesome "acceptance" speech. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:34, 5 November 2008 (EST)
Thank you for explaining to someone who didn't have nearly as much time on his hands to watch every vote get counted ;-)
BTW, is that the (Obama) speech my brother was listening to where he said he had the best campaign in the history of politics? JazzMan 12:28, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Godspeed![edit]

McCain used the word in his (relatively gracious) concession speech! ħumanUser talk:Human 23:29, 4 November 2008 (EST)

oh good, someone else heard it too! Totnesmartin 23:30, 4 November 2008 (EST)
(EC) Hehehe. Just what I was gonna say. Presumably he doesn't mean it in the Assfly "fuck you" sense. :D --JeevesMkII 23:31, 4 November 2008 (EST)
I think he meant it a lot differently- in the way it is actually meant to be used. CorryDr. Funke's 100 Percent Natural Good Time Family Band Solution 23:32, 4 November 2008 (EST)

Speech![edit]

Obama is on the stage. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 23:58, 4 November 2008 (EST)

That was such a good speech. Am I the only one that gets all tingly when he talks? - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 00:27, 5 November 2008 (EST)
Just got up to look at this. Seems the boy dun good.--Bobbing up 00:28, 5 November 2008 (EST)
I am not afraid to admit that I shed a couple of manly tears. Influenced by alchohol and the sheer poignancy of the occasion, of course. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 00:30, 5 November 2008 (EST)
I would of course never admit that I did too....tmtoulouse 01:03, 5 November 2008 (EST)
It was an amazing speech. As my friend said to make me shut up "he gives good speech". Kennedyesque in the parallel sentence construction, caring in the presentation. And, did anyone notice, he looked left, looked right, never down, or at an obvious teleprompter? He gave that speech from memory or made it up as he went along. It was a great speech, only interrupted by my need to wipe my eyes and nose, due to, er, emotional humidity. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:31, 5 November 2008 (EST)
He looked left and right because that's where the teleprompters are! Ajkgordon 06:50, 6 November 2008 (EST)

So...[edit]

...whose user page should be wandalized in a joyous riot?--Bayes 01:53, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Everyone's ;) I just got off a teary call with my old friend. We kept interrupting the conversation with 3-2-1 "random chants". A new day is dawning. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:28, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Yo dawg, we heard you like change so we put some change in your White House so you can change while you change. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן וִיקִי שְׁלֹום!

Yo, whut? Change? I hope so ;) ħumanUser talk:Human 02:46, 5 November 2008 (EST)
Yes, we can! --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 04:29, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Also good:[edit]

  • Michigan Proposition 2 passed, allowing stem cell research. (Limited, but at least it's something.) -Master Bra'tacKree! 09:14, 5 November 2008 (EST)

Final thoughts[edit]

First, thanks to Human for being a gracious host. Second, It feels great to wake up to the dawn of a new day with the winds of change in the air. I can finally feel good about the future. Aboriginal Noise with 4 M's and a silent Q 09:52, 5 November 2008 (EST)