User talk:Oh My Volcano

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Welcome to RationalWiki! Grab a goat and don't let the lava run too freely! Sam ^Tally-ho! 00:50, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Your blog

I see sidebar links titled "Richard Dawkins," "Reddit," "Church of Flying Spagetti Monster," "Above Top Secret," and so on, all of which lead back to seemingly unrelated pages in your blog. To me, this smells like attempted search engine optimization. What's up with that? Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 13:42, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

They used to be links to the named sites (naughty list) but then I realised that was doing them a favour. I thought it would be an additional spank on the bottom if the link went to an important page on my blog. I'm simply trying to get my theories exposed. I'm not in it for the money or anything else. The Church of the Flying Spagetti Monster, for example, at first emailed to say how great he thought my blog and volcano god theory were and promised to write a post about it. Despite several reminders, he's failed to mention it.

'It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.' Upton Sinclair. (Hat tip to Sam)

That quote can be applied to all the sites in that list, in my opinion, and could explain why so many mysteries have remained mysteries for so long. Well, that added to pig headedness of course ;) (Oh My Volcano (talk) 13:52, 25 October 2012 (UTC))

You might do OK if you are careful not to let Upton Sinclair lead to Galileo.

I've worn a lot of different hats in my life. One time while I wasn't wearing a hat I used some sulfuric acid to clear the drains in a bar, and a Guatemalan co-worker came along and said it smelled like when the volcanos were smoking. Have you ever smelled a volcano? Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 14:04, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

I shall try to not push the boat out too much with the naughty links.

Smelly volcanoes? Rotten eggs smell I believe....from the sulfur, although it depends on the type of volcano.

TALMUD: When the Leviathan is hungry, reports R. Dimi in the name of R. Johanan, he sends forth from his mouth a heat so great as to make all the waters of the deep boil, and if he would put his head into Paradise no living creature could endure the odor of him (ib.). His abode is the Mediterranean Sea; and the waters of the Jordan fall into his mouth (Bek. 55b; B. B. l.c.).

That Leviathan was one stinky submarine volcano. Previewed...all ok :) (Oh My Volcano (talk) 22:17, 25 October 2012 (UTC))

Sam...please could you send me an email I can reply to at ohmyvolcano@hushmail.com (Oh My Volcano (talk) 22:59, 25 October 2012 (UTC))

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Es muy útil. ¡Gracias! Sam ^Tally-ho! 17:02, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Your ideas

So, I've been spending some time at your blog and the impression that I get is this. You believe that every word and verse of the bible is literally true but that every reference to anything magical, supernatural or miraculous needs to be reinterpreted as some manifestation of volcanic activity. Is that fair? Thanks.--Weirdstuff (talk) 07:47, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I am not impressed with your attitude nor the attitide of most contributors on here. I was hopeful this site would be different and put prejudices and egos aside in the name of honest research and learning. Your tone is condescending and sarcastic and that tells me you have already made up your mind and also that you are slightly touchy. I believe the reason for this is because you take offence to a person presenting new information that, if proven valid, would mean you did not know it all. Please try to give this theory your best possible attention.

'you believe that every word and verse of the Bible is literally true'

Do I? That is news to me. Please tell me what made you come to that black and white conclusion.

'every reference to anything magical, supernatural or miraculous needs to be reinterpreted as some manifestation of volcanic activity'

Anything magical or supernatural needs to be reinterpreted with the mentality of the ancients in mind (ignorant of natural phenomena and science and seeing the magical in many things). As it happens, volcanism is by far the most prevelant natural phenomenom. In addition, the Hebrew laws were given at Mt Sinai, which was obviously a volcano. Also, the 'god that brought them you out of Egypt' was obviously attriubted to the Santorini eruption. Any early threatened punishments were volcanic and god's anger was represented in volcanic terms. Later on, god morphed into a war god because the Hebrews were in a genocidal and land grabbing mood but the volcanoes were a distant memory.

It's is up to you what you do with my little tip off. I believe in this theory and others do too. You have to decide whether or not you are going to open up your mind for its possibility, which does not equate to changing your mind.

(Oh My Volcano (talk) 12:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC))

The users here are frequently sarcastic, we troll each other and we troll outsiders. Then people trolled become defensive and can't see when we're being rational. You've shown that some parts of the bible can be interpreted as suggesting that Yahwey was a volcano god and it would have been better if users here had been more respectful over that. I'm repeating myself here but it's quite likely that Ancient Israelites met peoples from regions with active volcanoes and added features from a volcano god/ volcano gods to how they imagined Yahwey. Still Yahwey was more than a volcano god, very early on he was a creator god and volcanoes played no part in the Garden of Eden. Yahwey was a war god granting victory to his chosen tribe, he was a sky god, he was a wide range of different types of god.

You obviously did a great deal of work developing your blog, still you will improve your website if you do yet more work and take account of different god concepts not associated with volcanoes that played a part in developing the Yahwey concept. Proxima Centauri (talk) 13:13, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

I thought my question was quite polite - but you are, of course, at liberty to interpret as you wish.

The reason I thought that you were reading the bible literally was that your blog has a vast number of biblical quotes which you maintain demonstrate the truth of your ideas.

If you do not believe the bible as a whole is literally true then could you tell me how you decide which verses are valid and which are not?

Oh, and do you think you could follow wiki standard posting etiquette and indent your replies? The welcome banner at the top of the page will link to a page which tells you how to do it. Thanks.--Weirdstuff (talk) 13:23, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

If you think "volcanism is the most prevalent natural phenomenon" then your focus may be a bit narrow. Rain may be scarce in the lands around the eastern end of the Mediterranean, but there are still rivers, winds, sun in various proportions through the year, a changing moon, fertility of crops, beasts and people, disease, earthquakes, mystics, madmen, and so on. Sure, volcanism, specifically of Ararat, may have been a factor in early middle eastern polytheism. One's best possible attention will not limit itself to a single factor, but will take in a wider, more balanced panorama.

Your habit of suggesting that your "opponents" are angry or sarcastic, and hence mistaken or of limited viewpoint, does not strike me as a skillful method of persuasion. Teasing apart the strands of a story five thousand years old will take patience, with eyes open to more than just a few confirming bits of evidence. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 13:49, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Quick fact-check: Mt Sinai is not a volcano, although the presence of some granite indicates a magma intrusion there at some point. How it could be "obviously" a volcano eludes me. Obviously my mind must be closed. Sophie^Wilder 14:19, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

To be fair though, I remember many years ago reading a theory that the plagues of Egypt were caused by a volcano in Ethiopia contaminating the Nile etc., so your idea isn't total balderdash. You're just overstating the case somewhat. Sophie^Wilder 14:22, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Problem is that there is no real historical evidence that the Jews were ever in Egypt - much less that they needed a few plagues to get them out.--Weirdstuff (talk) 14:32, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

That wasn't my point. I was saying that volcanoes have been used to explain Biblical events for a while now. Sophie^Wilder 14:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Then perhaps your choice of words "were caused by" was unfortunate - it sorta makes it sounds like the the plagues happened. :-) The best that can be said is that the idea has got some pedigree in Pseudohistory. It's another way of being wrong. --Weirdstuff (talk) 15:33, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

• sigh* Sorry I spoiled your understanding by declining to indulge in verbose pedantry. In future I shall add explanatory footnotes to every fucking thing I say to make sure some pedant doesn't go "aha! gotcha!" just because I said something that wasn't one hundred percent historically, scientifically or mathematically accurate, but which stated my point. Sophie^Wilder 16:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

One extra word would have been enough. Verbose pedantry and footnotes not really required. :-) --Weirdstuff (talk) 17:10, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

'it sorta makes it sounds like the the plagues happened' In there lies the problem. Perish the thought someone would suggest anything in the bible is factual! What.....is she crazy?!!

You lot need to get your heads out of your arses and start to consider the very real possibility there are truths in the Bible. Don't any of you know what a 'myth' is? Myths didn't start out as myths. They usually started out as tales told to pass on information or warnings. The tales were sometimes about things the witnesses misunderstood, and those were the tales that eventually became myths. They wrote about ordinary things but didn't use the correct terminology....because they didn't have the correct terminology. They also zoomorphised or anthropomorphised things that we now know today are not animal or human. Leviathan was a submarined volcanic eruption but it was described as a seas monster, and the myth was born. Yahweh was volcanic activity but was described as a mountain god of fire, and the myth was born. You need to get into their minds....be empathic to the ancients' way of thinking...picture the scene.

Sophie. If you weren't so cocky you would take the time to study the theory you seem so quite to mock and would realise Mt Sinai is not the tourist attraction in the Sinai Peninsular but likely an unlocated volcanic mountain in NW Saudi or Jordan.

Too many people too quick to shoot their mouths off before bothering to engage the brain.

Weirstuff.....what welcome banner? (Oh My Volcano (talk) 18:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC))

The obvious pretty-coloured banner at the top of the page which starts with the words "Welcome to RationalWiki".--Weirdstuff (talk) 18:55, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Gotta say, you are a funny little troll. "don't any of you knwo what a myth is?" Yep. it's on our page about myths. But here's teh thing, your ideas are a bit like the "there were aliens here long ago" people. You figure that "there is a rational explination for myths, that is not god". but then you leap to the fuck oddest conclusions, with no evidence. Saying "yhwh was a volcano god" is no more grounded in rational thought than saying YHWH was a cat god. it's pulled out of your head equal to anything else you could have said, but not rooted in actual words in the hebrew texts, or relevance to other gods and religions of the time, nor does it take into consideration the origins of teh word YHWH. Could it be that YHWH is a cat god, or a volcanoe god? I suppose. but is it teh LIKELY cause? not really. God of war is far more reasonable a beginning. one god in many of a pantheon. Storm god is also likely. and earth quakes. all more common than volcanoes. Open your mind, does not mean what i think you think it means.GodotCalibrated! let the voting begin! 19:27, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

See What isn't open minded. We're skeptically open minded. We're not credulously open minded. Proxima Centauri (talk) 20:47, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Godot....I have made my case for Yahweh being a volcano god in Psalm 18 here...http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com/2012/03/psalm-18.html Now please make your case for Yahweh being either a cat god or a storm god using Psalm 18. Then go through all the Psalms and note all cat verses and let us know what you come up with. This shows the volcanism I found....only halfway through Psalms though http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com/2012/07/psalms-explained.html(Oh My Volcano (talk) 21:35, 28 October 2012 (UTC))

Hi Volcano. I asked you earlier: If you do not believe the bible as a whole is literally true then could you tell me how you decide which verses are valid and which are not?

So could you tell me how you select the verses you use. I'm sure that you don't just select as "true" the ones which just happen to fit your theory - so on what basis do you select them?--Weirdstuff (talk) 21:43, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Psalms 18 sounds like a volcano. why does that make YHWH a volcanoe? the very next line says "he parted the heavens and rode on cherubs. (volcanoes can ride cherubs?)he made dark rainclouds and hailstones. Now, i'm not expert, but i don't think you get hailstones during a volcanic erruption. the valleys of the sea were exposed - that's not something that happens in a volcanic erruption. Again, you read something, and run off to nevernever land, like "aliens did it". it's quite funny. --GodotCalibrated! let the voting begin! 21:52, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Actually he covers hailstones in his blog. Apparently it's a code word for lava failing from the sky. It seems that some words in the bible have been deliberately mistranslated to hide the frightening truth from us. Or something like that. You've got to work through the blog.--Weirdstuff (talk) 21:56, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Well this is all so much fun, my husband is wondering why i'm giggeling. So ancient hebrew talks of torrents of frogs, and waves of ash in the bible, but we are to understand they use code for hailstones! love it. I can't wait to find out where the bull, which was the symbol of YHWH comes in. GodotCalibrated! let the voting begin! 01:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Godot. Yes, weirdstuff is correct. Hail is not only ice balls but small balls of sulfur. 'A hail of....' can be of anything in the Bible. You can find out more about it here http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com/2012/04/bible-hail.html AND HERE http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com/2012/07/plague-of-hail.html AND HERE http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com/2012/03/hail-in-bible.html AND HERE http://ohmyvolcano.blogspot.com/2012/04/plague-of-hail.html 'The heavens' I believe just refers to the smokey sky around the volcano. 'the valleys of the sea were exposed' because of a tsunami (Oh My Volcano (talk) 22:06, 28 October 2012 (UTC))

Out of curiosity, are there any reasonably credible sites or sources you know of that make all the same assertions as you or is this more of something you've posited by yourself? Sam ^Tally-ho! 21:41, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

As far as I am aware I am the first person to think of the Leviathan theory. I have put it to a scholar who also now thinks as I do. I sent a link to about sixty professors of theology to see what they thought but, alas, the reponse was almost nill. Unfortunately the very people who could validate and give credibility to a new theory are the least likely to want to do so. They are the experts you see and will not want some complete novice upstart telling them they have not only been wrong but also earning a good salary from being wrong. The Leviathan theory might seem insignificant but it is in fact highly significant and, if given validity, could be extremely consequential...and the people earning a living from religion will not want it to be validated because their jobs would become obsolete. The volcano god theory is being pushed by a few other people. You can easily find out who by googling 'was god a volcano?'. There is also some scholarly work in the pipeline but I cannot say more about it for now. What you have to bare in mind is how few people are motivated to validate these theories. Almost everyone hates it whether it's accurate or not. How many atheists do you know who would not spew a load of vengeful wrath all over you for suggesting there could be any truth in the Bible? Are those people going to be open to the possibility of these theories? Not a lot....and they are the atheists! (Oh My Volcano (talk) 21:57, 28 October 2012 (UTC))

As important as it may be to sometimes consider that "people who could validate and give credibility to a new theory" may not want to accept your ideas because they "will not want some complete novice upstart telling them they have ... been wrong," it is also important to keep in mind that they may not accept them due to their outlandishness and shaky evidence — a judgement that has obviously been made by the most knowledgeable people in the field. Open-mindedness is often a two-way street and it's probably not wise to assume proper scholars eschew these volcano hypotheses only because they fear for their reputations. When I looked through the first page results of "was god a volcano," everything was pretty much just links to an eight minute YouTube video. Sam ^Tally-ho! 22:51, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

You're right. It's not all about protecting an income. After all, not many atheist earn an income from being atheist. It's about several things....protecting income, not wanting to be seen as being wrong for decades, fear, peer pressure, lemming mentality, etc. 'Outlandish', Yes, it most certainly is, as are all novel theories. The idea that continents drift about was hated, mocked and forced into oblivion for decades.....before it became universally accepted. A lot of people simply cannot get their heads around it. It is just too much of a brain warp for them. It goes against a lifetime of mind conditioning, even for atheists. It's a difficult one. There are many books and articles referenced in my blog. This man is another person doing continued research into the theory, or similar to mine. He is also an ex-Christian. I find ex-Christians accept the theory very quickly. http://matt-mattjwest.newsvine.com/_news/2012/02/26/10503143-yahweh-the-worshiping-of-a-volcano-fire-god-of-war Shaky evidence? Compared to the amount of evidence there is a god and compared to the amount of evidence the Bible is totally made up I think this theory has loads of evidence. It is totally logical, although its reception belies that.(Oh My Volcano (talk) 23:50, 28 October 2012 (UTC))

Before you continue with the "protecting income, not wanting to be seen as being wrong for decades, fear, peer pressure, lemming mentality, etc." line, you may want to consider the Galileo gambit. Its simplest refutation amounts to, "You are not Galileo."

Better to stick to the evidence that does support your thesis, and stay away from speculating about the motives of those who resist it. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 00:04, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry Sprocket but this whole thing is about psychology and in time psychologists will be having a field day analysing the mindsets of not only the ancient Hebrews but the modern atheists. In time, children will be taught in schools about the fact the last of the thousands of gods was so hard to dethrone due to blind spots, pack mentalities, selfishness, egotism, greed, power, mind control, lack of integrity, etc, etc, etc. (Oh My Volcano (talk) 00:56, 29 October 2012 (UTC))

I'm amused and confused now. woudln't this be what atheists WANT? why would modern atheists reject is? inquiring minds and all that.GodotCalibrated! let the voting begin! 01:00, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow, I can't wait to see all the scholarly papers on how igneous intrusions inform the archaeology of psychiatric epidemiology. That will knock the imbricated-clast guys right back on their teakettles. Good luck with that. OMV, your writings remain remarkably content-free, with a lot of projection showing. I'm done here, and may the mob have mercy on your soul. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 01:21, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The psychology behind the lack of support for the continental drift theory is discussed today and the psychology behind the lack of support for this theory will be discussed in the future. If you don't like that then...oh, you've already gone. So your total contributions to this page have been two complaints about me discussing the psychological patterns I have noticed when my theories are received. Projecting?....me or you? (Oh My Volcano (talk) 01:30, 29 October 2012 (UTC)) (First half of) Psalms volcanism.....my king upon my holy hill of Zion, he heard me out of his holy hill, I worship toward thy holy temple, O Lord, rebuke me not in thine anger, neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure, So shall the congregation of the people compass thee about: (the people shall circle the volcano) for their sakes therefore return thou on high, the Lord, which dwelleth in Zion (not omnipresent then), my soul, Flee as a bird to your mountain? The Lord is in his holy temple, Upon the wicked he shall rain snares, fire and brimstone, and an horrible tempest, who shall dwell in thy holy hill? The Lord is my rock and my high tower, he heard my voice out of his temple, Then the earth shook and trembled; the foundations also of the hills moved and were shaken, because he was wroth, There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. At the brightness that was before him his thick clouds passed, hail stones and coals of fire. The Lord also thundered in the heavens, and the Highest gave his voice; hail stones and coals of fire. Yea, he sent out his arrows, and scattered them; and he shot out lightnings, and discomfited them. Then the channels of waters were seen, and the foundations of the world were discovered at thy rebuke, O Lord, at the blast of the breath of thy nostrils. who is a rock save our God? and blessed be my rock; Thou shalt make them as a fiery oven in the time of thine anger: the Lord shall swallow them up in his wrath, and the fire shall devour them. when thou shalt make ready thine arrows upon thy strings against the face of them. Who shall ascend into the hill of the Lord? or who shall stand in his holy place? so will I compass thine altar, O Lord. O Lord my rock. when I lift up my hands toward thy holy oracle. The voice of the Lord is powerful; the voice of the Lord is full of majesty. The voice of the Lord divideth the flames of fire. The voice of the Lord shaketh the wilderness; the Lord shaketh the wilderness of Kadesh. be thou my strong rock, For thou art my rock and my fortress. He gathereth the waters of the sea together as an heap (tsunami), into smoke shall they consume away. rebuke me not in thy wrath: neither chasten me in thy hot displeasure. For thine arrows stick fast in me, God my rock, O send out thy light: let them lead me; let them bring me unto thy holy hill, Thine arrows, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea; Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. the earth melted. behold the works of the Lord, what desolations he hath made in the earth. For the Lord most high is terrible. God is gone up with a shout, the Lord with the sound of a trumpet. God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness. in the mountain of his holiness. Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined. a fire shall devour before him, pay thy vows unto the most High, Let them melt away as waters which run continually: when he bendeth his bow to shoot his arrows, lead me to the rock that is higher than I. Say unto God, How terrible art thou in thy works! As smoke is driven away, so drive them away: as wax melteth before the fire, so let the wicked perish at the presence of God. The hill of God is as the hill of Bashan; an high hill as the hill of Bashan. Why leap ye, ye high hills? this is the hill which God desireth to dwell in; yea, the Lord will dwell in it for ever. The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place. Pour out thine indignation upon them, and let thy wrathful anger take hold of them. Let their habitation be desolate; and let none dwell in their tents. whom thou hast wounded. thou art my rock and my fortress. O God, is very high, who hast done great things. The mountains shall bring peace to the people, and the little hills, by righteousness. why doth thine anger smoke against the sheep of thy pasture? mount Zion, wherein thou hast dwelt. Thou didst cleave the fountain and the flood: thou driedst up mighty rivers. his dwelling place in Zion. thou art more glorious and excellent than the mountains of prey. who may stand in thy sight when once thou art angry? let all that be round about him bring presents unto him that ought to be feared. I will remember the years of the right hand of the most High. I will remember the works of the Lord. thine arrows also went abroad. The voice of thy thunder was in the heaven: the lightnings lightened the world: the earth trembled and shook. (Oh My Volcano (talk) 01:36, 29 October 2012 (UTC))

So Sprocket, what can you contribute to the debate after reading that bit of content? I know you're looking. Yoo hoo! (Oh My Volcano (talk) 01:45, 29 October 2012 (UTC))

Hi volcano. I'd still like to know how you pick which bits of the bible you feel are relevant, useful and true - and which bits you feel are untrue. You believe the plagues of Egypt happened - how do you feel about the global flood for example?--Weirdstuff (talk) 07:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The Middle East is not known for its active volcanoes but I've worked in both Jordan and Syria and seen lava fields which were not that old. We should remember that the Dead Sea is in a rift valley so earthquakes (which might have brought down the walls of Jericho) could have temporarily exposed the sea floor. There are actually a couple of known Holocene volcanoes in the Holy Land -the Golan Heights and Jabal al Druze in Lebanon - which have erupted in the last 12,000 years. I remember being told at school (getting on for 50 years ago) that the explanation of a pillar of cloud by day and a a pillar of fire by night in Exodus was that it was probably a volcano. So I'm not totally adverse to th epossibility of Yahweh being a volcano god. Picking out which bits are myth and which bits are true, or embellished truth, is difficult but The Illiad was regarded as being entirely myth until Heinrich Schliemann unearthed Troy. Генгис^{Is the Pope a Catholic?} 08:00, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The problem is there is no historical evidence for the Exodus. So trying to come up with things which might fit the story is not very useful if the thing never took place.

Sure you can argue science history was wrong before. But first you need some reason to believe that Exodus actually happened.--Weirdstuff (talk) 09:46, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Why home in on one thing? Who can you not take it all in and make your own judgement based on honest logic? You're not a robot malfunctioning over one broken wire. I can't believe that anyone with an open and honest mind can read those exerts from Psalms I posted and not realise the ancient Hebrews worshipped volcanoes. It beggers belief! To read that and then say, 'Oh, well, there is no evidence of Exodus so it's absolutely pointless discussing it any further. The issue is over. I don't want to talk about it any more. So there.' You just sound anal. Besides, there is evidence of the Exodus. The accounts of the ten plagues matches what would have occured in Egypt during the Santorini eruption and those accounts match events discussed in the Ipuwer Papyrus....which you would know about had you studied my blog! Why don't you say less and read more? Why do you keep harranging me about how I know which bits are true and which bits are not true? It's bloody obvious to me. Maybe I'm just more intuitive than most. Some things cannot be explained. Again, focus on the bigger picture and not on the insignificant details....you might start to be more intuitive too. (Oh My Volcano (talk) 22:48, 29 October 2012 (UTC))

Weirdstuff. Let's test your level of intuition. Please read these two verses and let us know what springs to mind. Isaiah 30:27 See, the Name of the LORD comes from afar, with burning anger and dense clouds of smoke; his lips are full of wrath, and his tongue is a consuming fire. 30 And the LORD shall cause his glorious voice to be heard, and shall show the lighting down of his arm, with the indignation of his anger, and with the flame of a devouring fire, with scattering, and tempest, and hailstones. Lightning can occur in the 'heavens'/cloudy summit of a volcanic eruption. Volcano gods were not the actual mountain but said to reside inside the summit. They were believed to orchestrate the show. 'His arm' suggests he made an instruction for lightning by holding out his arm. 'His extended arm' means he made something happen further away, usually an earthquake. 'His rivers of fire' were rivers of lava. 'His tongue is a consuming fire' refers of course to pouring lava licking up everything in its path. 'His lips'...the same. 'His voice' is the noise made by the volcano. For me, there is really only one phrase needed to be read from the Bible that should tell every sane person that the Abrahamic religions were based on volcano worship and that is 'fire and brimstone'. The reason for not seeing the blantantly obvious will be answered by psychologists but will probably be due to lifelong conditioning. A total newcomer to the planet would be able to recognise it. Given there are thousands of phrases that point not just to volcanism but to deified volcanism (He IS the volcanic activity not that he orchestrates it from afar) it really is staggering that in the age of reason and information the whole world doesn't see what I see. The question should not be, 'How do I know which parts are true and which parts are not true?' but 'How come everyone else cannot decipher truth from fiction?'. (Oh My Volcano (talk) 13:09, 30 October 2012 (UTC))

So can I ask you again for your take on the global flood? Is that one of the "bloody obvious" bits of the bible or not?--Weirdstuff (talk) 15:50, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I grant you permission to ask me. Please ask away. Oh, you just did. Well, what sounds most likely...that there was a pretty big flood, lots of people drowned and the tale of this event was told to future generations, each one embelishing a bit to make the tale sound more exciting....or that it was entirely made up from scratch? Given there are similar accounts of a significant flood from other sources, the likelihood is that there is some truth to it. Was there a massive boat with two of every living species onboard? Does that sound likely? Can you, Weirdstuff, recognise fact from fiction? Do you have discernment? Your mockery to the point of a bullying witch hunt and your Nazi-like focus on 'how can I tell the difference' tells me that you do not have discernment. Your extreme reaction to my claim says a lot about you. Make an honest judgement.(Oh My Volcano (talk) 21:59, 30 October 2012 (UTC))