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PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 21:16, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

lame. You need

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Тy^talk 21:18, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 21:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

I like stout. I never get any though. Тy^talk 21:26, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

You should move north. PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 21:27, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

thank you!

For inserting some sanity into the Amazing atheist article. It's been co-opted by childish and rather obtuse people--. 02:46, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I do what I can. PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 02:47, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't see how a comic likely created with MSpaint and circulated across the web will attract copyright complaints--. 02:48, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

"Because we can get away with it" =/= "fair use." PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 02:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

But I really don't think that anyone has ever bother to copyright it. The author doesn't care!--. 02:51, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Great. Show where it's been released into the public domain/GNU'd/copyleft/Creative Commons licensed and have at it. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 02:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Preview button

Tis very helpful. Sam ^Tally-ho! 03:14, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

So's your mother Thanks for the heads-up! PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 03:16, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

It doesn't bite, I promise. Sam ^Tally-ho! 01:38, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Second Constitution

Of course the Essay:Second Constitution of the United States is mine now since I've initiated an initial draft, but hopefully not for much longer -- if my name is there (ie Essay by Thomas Wright Sulcer), then others may be reluctant to modify the essay. I want others to modify the essay to improve it, to see what happens, to have it become a community effort. Can any essay be modified by any other RationalWiki user? (Is this a policy?)--Thomas Wright Sulcer (talk) 03:52, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I just got here. But the edit history says only you wrote it, so that's what I went by. Revert if you please, but then there will be an implication that the document speaks for the community as a whole. Which it can't. You do know that a lot of us in the community aren't American and might not give a shit about your Constitution in the first place, right? PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 03:54, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

We have done is before, but it might be more suited to a debate. - π 03:58, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

An essay can be modified by the community if the original author(s) give their express permission. I think a lot of people here, whether American or not, have an interest in the US constitution and would be interested in collaborating on a second version of it. In essay form, as opposed to a debate, this might produce a version of the constitution that reflects the community's preferences more than just debating what we want. Or something like that. Sam ^Tally-ho! 04:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

You can has sysop.

Verily you are demoted. Shame on you. --MtD^{Pinko Scum} 15:03, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Damn you. PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 15:05, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Hence the name. Don't make me regret it. Or do. Whatevs. Give us a kiss. ^_^ --MtD^{Pinko Scum} 15:07, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

"Christianity is an abomination to common sense"

That was hyperbole! --★uːʤɱ federalist 00:10, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Around these parts, it's hard to tell. PintOfStoutTalk Good people drink good beer. 00:11, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

No harm done. I just wanted to clarify. --★uːʤɱ heretic 00:13, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Two hints

Before slashing near enough 50% of an article, bring it up on the talk page first. Secondly, less insulting edit comments please, it makes you look like a twat. ^narchist 01:39, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

So you undid ALL of my edits, instead of taking the time to deal with the ones that you have a problem with? That's equally unhelpful. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 01:40, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

And that too can be undone simply. I'm just asking that you state what you're doing and don't leave dickish sounding comments in your wake. ^{d hominem} 01:41, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Like I said, dickish edit comments make you look like a twat. I'm just saying to state on a discussion page before you hack away at the entire thing and removing most of it. ^pathetic 01:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

"Christianity is an abomination to common sense."

Just so you know UHM is a monumental asshat and a world class clown-shoes. That's a fact. Ace^ace 02:04, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Duly noted. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 02:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Stout

~_0 Any particular recommendations? Purchasing day is coming up.Тy^talk 02:39, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Guiness only if it's on tap and you're in Eire. Murphy's the same. St. Ambroise Oatmeal Stout is really nice. Sam Adams is good. New Holland is good too, as is the provocatively-named Pearl Necklace . PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 02:46, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

I've had Sam Adams before. Guess its what the grocery store will have in stock, and not much as exams are the following week. Тy^talk 02:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Have you tried Young's Double Chocolate? Wéáśéĺóíď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 15:25, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Christianity is stupid!

Communism is good! Give up! Ah, the joys of propaganda. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 22:32, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

No true scotsman

For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, Ty has awarded you some beer. Look it has a goat on the label!

I don't think it is stout, but I hope it'll do. Тy^talk 01:01, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

I'm not all that fussy. Cheers! PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 01:10, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Intersection of religion and corporate culture

I don't know if this is quite what you're going for, but the astroturfing of "religious" organizations against environmental reform has become a more common tactic since the '90s. This pinko site has a good overview. There's more on the anti-environmentalism page, and this character in particular is noteworthy. Oh, and, on a semi-related note, there's always Ralph Reed. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 23:26, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm really interested in using religion as a way to market stuff and as a way to create corporate identities, especially in stuff that isn't expressly meant to be sold as Christian stuff, like sexy underoos. I'll definitely look at this and see what I can do with it. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 00:57, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

So are you aiming to become the next Eddie Bernays or just dissecting the bullshit of his descendants? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 01:05, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Oh, the latter; I lack the necessary skills to do the former, and I'm pretty soundly anti-capitalist, or at least anti-massive-consumption-of-unneeded-stuff, to boot. That all said, you might find this guy interesting. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 01:10, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

I think I might have read his book a while back -- either that or it was a book with a very similar name. But it sounds familiar. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 01:27, 28 November 2011 (UTC)

Good people drink good beer

A Thompson fan I see. Ace^ace 04:42, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

De-CPing

If you want to take out all references to CP in the main space, then it might be a good idea to bring it up somewhere instead of unilaterally doing it. Thanks. Sam ^Tally-ho! 20:43, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Technically we've been doing it since 2009 or some such, we're all just really lazy. Тy^talk 20:44, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

EC From what I understand, this is an issue that has been debated and pretty much resolved for quite some time now. Basically, CP is for CP space. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 20:45, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Chopping large sections out of articles is not a good de-CP-ification technique. ListenerX^TalkerX 20:48, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

whatevs. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 20:49, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Gradually de-CPing is fine with me and probably most of the community but doing unilaterally like that isn't the best approach. Some mention of CP in the mainspace might be relevant for examples of radical religious right stuff and what have you. Sam ^Tally-ho! 20:52, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

whatevs. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 20:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

How is this any different than any other changes we make? Again, this is hardly "unilaterally" if it's been going on for nearly 3 years now. GodotAround, around, around, around, over, and under and through 20:55, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

By "unilaterally" I mean he just removes big chunks of content without bothering to at least tell anyone. Yeah, been going on for awhile but as I said, CP can be used occasionally for relevant examples and stuff, even if it's going to be mentioned less. But I guess as PoS said, whatever. Sam ^Tally-ho! 21:01, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

And as it's friday, POS, (heh, just got it), then you should feel happy to indulge. I'm on with "unemployment insurance" people - then I'm done for the day! GodotAround, around, around, around, over, and under and through 20:56, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Pints of stout

Which stout is your favorite? The Punk Symphony of Noise ^{Your mental puke relief} 01:19, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Depends where I am -- In Ireland or in a couple of select pubs in NY where they actually know how to pour the stuff, Guinness. Murphys runs a close second. Otherwise I tend to go local--The chocolate stout here or this when I'm at "home" home, and this when I'm at "where I live" home....PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 01:32, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Mmmmmm those looks like some damn tasty beers. My person favorite beer is Guiness Extra Stout, but I like most any stout beer I've tried. The Punk Symphony of Noise ^{Your mental puke relief} 01:41, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Guinness Extra Stout is unfortunately locally brewed. The one you guys get is from Canada, which is apparently quite nice but not as good as the Irish. Here in Oz it is brewed by Fosters, it is unimpressive and not very nice. Guinness Draught taste like water. If I am out I like this and if I am home at home it will be a bottle of this. Unfortunate summer has rolled around and it will be too hot for stouts for another 6 months. - π 01:57, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Leet

so can i change the last 133t to a 1337? I am not trying to be a pest, I don't know if these are all different things. It's a page on hackers, for heaven's sake. HACKERS already know what they are and aren't going to go there. old fucks like me are going to go there and say "HuH?" Godot I hate sluts 22:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I believe the terms are interchangeable, but you might want to ask someone from the peanut gallery to confirm. I grew up with 8-track tapes and a dial phone, myself. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 23:05, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

There's the greatest Utube of some french canadian 7 year olds being shown things like 8 track players (the plunger kind), and dial telephones, and simple record players. It's sad/a riot depending on your mood. It's subbed, I"ll see if I can find it. Wiki says they are interchangable, by the way, so for old farts like me, i interchanged them on our article. Godot I hate sluts 23:07, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

[1] I take it back, it's not translated. But having thought about it, that might not exactly be an issue for you. I'm sure you've had some exposure to french somewhere along the line. ;-)Godot I hate sluts 23:09, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I've seen that clip before. I love it. And yeah, I speak and read French (this, right now) just fine. Can't write it for shit, though. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 23:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Oddly enough I read and write quite well. But my ear sucks. I sit there and say "husband o mine, would you write that down for me". ;-) I feel so old. I had a BLUE plunger 8 track. you could play any song instantly. no rewinding or trying really hard to line up some dumb needle on some track.... I still talk about "did his new record come out", and these kids say "Oh, it's an old style CD". Godot I hate sluts 23:15, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I don't know much about Marxism, by the way. Lire le Capital is seminal, apparently? Godot I hate sluts 23:18, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

It is, but this is prolly a better "never read Capital" place to start. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 00:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Say...

Are you P-Foster/B-flat/whatever? I'm kind of oblivious like that... Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 00:11, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

"I yam what I yam." PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 00:14, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Test. Now^what? 00:17, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm even more confused than I was before. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 00:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Good. Now^what? 00:19, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm still leaning toward a no. Sam ^Tally-ho! 00:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Same here. Now^what? 00:34, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Pint.

Again, my apologies. Osaka Sun (talk) 05:27, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Give a bloke a chance, why don't you?

Is there a 15 second maxiumum for rewriting content into local style after import? Or do I get a whole twenty minutes? JzG (talk) 23:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

I would have rewritten it on my word processor and put the finished product in. That way, someone stumbling onto the site wouldn't encounter a red link farm with no stylistic relationship to the rest of the project. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 00:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Pinty jumped a bit quick with the vape-ray but it would have helped if you'd indicated from the get go that you weren't just dumping cruft from teh Wackypedia, Jz. --MtD^{Pinko Scum} 00:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

You could but the hideously under used {{WiP}} at the top to indicate that you are working on it. - π 01:47, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Proving Too Much

Dude, I'm not claiming that "The only thing we can know for certain is that nothing else can be known for certain" is true. I am just fixing the fallacy of "Nothing can be known for certain." I think mine is closer to the original intent than yours. Think about it: You usually say "Nothing can be known for certain" as a retort when somebody claims certain knowledge on some subject. You would rarely retort with "There are some things we may never know for certain." :-) --Bertrc (talk) 02:21, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I would counter with EXACTLY that. Your "fixing it" doesn't fix it. As I read the article, the point shouldn't be to honour the original intent of the fallacious statement, but to replace those fallacious statements with reasonable, logical and correct ones. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 02:24, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Oooo, claiming to know what is "more reasonable" and "more correct" is dangerous waters :-) Actually I agree that yours is more reasonable and correct. However, I don't think making a statement more reasonable is the point of the article. I really believe we should fix the logical fallacy while staying as close to the original intent as possible. I'm certainly open to the possibility that my version is not closer to the original intent (but I am even more open to including snarky comments that point out how unreasonable the entire statement is in the first place. :-) ) --Bertrc (talk) 03:07, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

"This is the only statement I can know for certain". But to know that statement for certain, I must know with equal certainty many other facts that statement depends on for its justification, e.g. "I exist", "Things exist", "Thinking beings exist", "Thought is possible", "Language exists", "I possess the faculty of language", etc. So, if I know that statement for certain, I must know many other statements for certain. Hence your claim is self-refuting and therefore false. (((Zack Martin)))^™ 02:32, 18 December 2011 (UTC)