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Remember how CP used to call Obama a king[edit]

Well, now trump is issuing decrees by tweet ordering businesses to cease doing business with China. Hypocrisy on one hand and slavish devotion to Trump on the other. King Obama indeed.... Acei9 01:43, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

But Trump is the true God-Emperor, afterall he said so.[1] Nobs, thou shalt kneel and kiss thine emperor's ring… piece. Bongolian (talk) 01:49, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Ave Imperator Commie Lib (talk) 02:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
We'll see what Customs and DEA have to say about it. I mean, c'mon, how naive are you guys. Connect the dots. Trump's giving U.S air carriers a heads up. They can try to fly their crap to Mexico or South America, but I doubt that would work. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 02:23, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
What the hell are you talking about? Cosmikdebris (talk) 02:41, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Trump telling FedEx, UPS and the US Post Office to stop flying crap from China to the US. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 02:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Everyone at CP freaked out at the “you didn’t build that”, Obama’s communist assault on free enterprise. But King Donald ordering business by decree to not engage with China - no problem. I never figured you for a socialist Rob. Acei9 02:59, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
(ec) That's just plain crazy. Private enterprise is not bound to unhinged tweets from a megalomaniac. Cosmikdebris (talk) 03:00, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
So a tweet has the authority of an Executive Order, evidently. When the EO does come down, FedEx, UPS et al will be grateful for the heads up. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 03:11, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
We all know how you and your CP friends work:
Obama “I order business to cease trade with China” = communist monster!
Trump “I order business to cease trade with China” = The Chosen One!
Easy. Acei9 03:18, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Obama shipped 200,000 manufacturing jobs to China and limited job creation with the ACA employer mandate; Trump was chosen by God to undo Obamunism and end the globalist/Chinese rape of the U.S. trade deficit. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 03:32, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
So god chose a vulgar, womanising, blatantly unchristian buffoon as his emissary on Earth? Acei9 03:40, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Then Trumps decrees set about crashing the markets for the day. But still a god to Rob. Acei9 06:04, 24 August 2019 (UTC)
Nobs, that's heresy and blasphemy of the highest order. Evangelicals have long abandoned the light of the Lord, now they just are flaunting it openly. Oxyaena Harass 06:05, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

Section in which Rob babbles about race for no reason or prompting[edit]

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Ok. I'll come clean. I have a guilty conscience over this. I put a lot of work into researching this:

Maddow uses her show to deliver racist rants against outsourcing jobs to China and India.[2][3][4][5][6][7].The Dark Side of the Outsourcing Revolution, By Naeem Mohaiemen, AlterNet, January 23, 2004.Does Outsourcing Create Racism? Yahoo Answers.Is 'Outsourced' racist? NBC's new comedy, set in a Mumbai call center, is drawing charges that it's culturally insensitive, Review, The Week, September 24, 2010.Outsourced Racism, New Republic, Neera Tanden, May 5, 2010.</ref><ref>"at the World Economic Forum trade a British unionist, Philip Jennings, boldly declared that outsourcing white-collar jobs to low-wage developing countries, especially India and China, would provoke ... opposition of developed-world labour unions to trade liberalisation, especially in relation to outsourcing, imports of cheap consumer goods and labour migration, can easily fuel racism within the West in the 21st century." [2]Transcript: The Rachel Maddow Show, Thursday. October 14, 2010.

On the surface it would appear Rachel Maddow and I have flipped our respective positions. I'll admit, I was wrong to call her racist then, and she needs to admit she is wrong calling Trump supporters racist now. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 03:54, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

This isn't hard to understand: In 2010 I called opponents of free trade racists, as represented by Rachel Maddow (see footnote 5 especially). In 2019 it appears Maddow and I have flipped our positions - she's a big critic of Trump who is undoing free trade policies - I've adopted the position of opposing "imports of cheap consumer goods and labour migration" which "can easily fuel racism within the West in the 21st century." I was wrong then to call Maddow a racist, and she needs to admit her error now calling the anti-free trade movement "racist." nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:29, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
You are a racist. Trump is a racist, his policies are designed to negatively effect ethnic minorities (and minorities overall). You support him, therefore you support his policies, therefore you you support racism, therefore you are racist. Whether you admit this fact is irreverent. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:38, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Oh by the way, there's no debating or discussing these facts. I've met the burden of proof, and showed a chain of causation, you're either dishonest or in denial. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:40, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
And my conversion to being pro-tariff is not a matter of convenience. From the late 1970s until 2014 I embraced the Reaganesque line (which traces its origins to FDR & Truman) that free trade promotes democracy. By 2014 (and there are recorded discussions of this in RW archives) I began dismissing this idea with the realization that free trade only strengthened tyrannical regimes (China and Iran as examples). True, Trump held these views since at least 1986, and I never fully embraced them until after Trump put his foot down and proved he was serious, going against the Washington consensus with Chinese tariffs. I am not alone among GOPers, who used to regard the anti-free trade movement as racist, until the Midwestern rednecks spoke out in 2016 and said they would rather have jobs than government provided opioids to soothe their losses. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:45, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
GrammarCommie: " his policies are designed to negatively effect ethnic minorities ". This is bull. immigration restrictions aid minorities, as witnessed by the lowest unemployment figures on record. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:49, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
Yeah... No. It benefits rich white men. You're talking out of your ass. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:21, 25 August 2019 (UTC)
As always. Oxyaena Harass 21:10, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

You're welcome[edit]

A case involving you has been raised at the Chicken Coop. Feel free to comment. Bongolian (talk) 00:47, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

So, how's that "Retiring to spend more time with family." working out?[3] Bongolian (talk) 19:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
He clarified that was for the elections. In other words it was nobs trolling as usual. Oxyaena Harass 19:39, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Right. Now that I have ceased from my own labors, I feel the responsibility to share the wisdom and knowledge God has graced me with to unenlightened idiots children of the younger generation. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:04, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Yes of course God Trump has given you all the wisdom and knowledge you need.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:10, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
Actually, it was Richard Nixon. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 00:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
So... was he a crook? — Dysk (contribs) 08:56, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Nah, he got framed. He made too may enemies with the cp:Alger Hiss case, and it was just payback for an old vendetta.
You can't take on the Deep State - JFK got hauled out in a box, Nixon was railroaded out of town; it remains to be seen what will happen to Trump. He doesn't seem inclined to making an accommodation with them, and he knows the history of what happened to JFK & Nixon. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 09:06, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Move over communism, the deep state has now become your new boogeyman. Any scandal, no matter how disconnected, is part of the Deep State. Rob's coffee goes cold - DEEP STATE! Acei9 09:22, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, listen to these 5 minutes of this JFK speech, and tell me what the hel;l he's talking about. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 09:28, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
I am not a crook. Oxyaena Harass 09:45, 28 August 2019 (UTC)
The 'I am not a crook' quote is one of the most bizarre in the Nixon story - and it has nothing to do with Watergate.
The lame duck Congress (Dec. 1968) before Nixon took office changed the tax law. Nixon appraised his VP papers during the transition to take a charitable tax deduction (on the advice of LBJ). The most valuable item was a 1956 letter from Martin Luther King (killed Apr. 1968). A Nixon flunky backdated the transfer of the charitable deduction in the months that followed to make the transaction appear to have taken affect before the new law took affect. Nixon had no knowledge of the accountant backdating the document. In Nixon's second term, Nixon came under IRS audit. The Watergate fishing expedition was producing nothing, and the public had trouble understanding what Nixon was accused of. The new accusation was that Nixon took an illegal deduction, got a $250,000 refund, and bought a Key Biscayne property (the 'Florida White House'). When asked about it, he said 'I am not a crook. I earned every dime'. Fake news media was only too willing to spin that into something that had to do with the convoluted Watergate revelations.
And Congress only changed the law cause Nixon was coming into office. LBJ and others had taken advantage of this same loophole.
So Congress had disallowed public servants from taking a deduction for donation of their papers. When Nixon challenged the IRS (Nixon vs. United States) SCOTUS ruled the papers were the government's property. Hillary Clinton's emails were not her own private property to delete under this same ruling. She knew better. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 10:07, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Holy fuck this is amazing lol--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:19, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Leaving aside a discussion of Hillary's deleted emails being akin to Nixon's 18 minute gap in Oval Office tapes, look at the IG Comey carve out report. Comey argues that 7 memos he wrote of conversations with the President were his private property, as Nixon argued Oval Office tape recordings were Nixon's private property.
Now, do you believe Comey is making a good faith argument?
And let's leave aside discussing whether's Comey exoneration of Clinton overturns the Watergate precedent regarding government files. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:19, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

High score[edit]

Technically the win to loss ratio is 9-0 now fyi. Oxyaena Harass 18:10, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

Horowitz IG Report[edit]

Isn't it funny how literally NOTHING you said would be in the report is there? Like zilch, nada, zero. I expect that you'll cease with this nonsense and accept that the Mueller report is an accurate accounting of the facts and the investigation was in no way criminal. Also that Michael Flynn is fucking guilty.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:22, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Duh, this is the separate Comey carve out report, not the FISA abuse report.
You will recall, there was a McCabe carve out report separate from OIG Clinton email report. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:47, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
About that, very simple question I've been waiting some time for you to answer, a straightforward number, no need to branch out just yet: in what year was a FISA warrant first obtained for Carter Page? Semipenultimate (talk) 19:49, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
October 21, 2016, with three renewals every 90 days for the next year.
More importantly, FISA Section 702 does not need a warrant - it is supposed to be used against non-citizens outside the United States. It was used illegally against U.S. citizens since 2012, and particularly against Hillary Clinton opponents beginning in the July 2015-November 2015 timeframe. FISA abuse first came under review after this timeframe. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 19:55, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Agents of foreign governments, even if they are US citizens, can have their communications with said foreign governments be subjected to FISA warrants. As it turns out, 2016 was not actually the first time a FISA warrant was obtained for Carter Page. The correct answer is '2013'. Now, the next question: what did Page do in 2013 with respect to a foreign government that might justify the FBI's FISA warrant? Semipenultimate (talk) 20:21, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Ha Ha! Now you are getting at what was withheld from the FISA court. Page is UCE-1 in this DOJ Press Release.
The FBI obtained the recordings after Sporyshev attempted to recruit an FBI undercover employee (“UCE-1”) [Carter Page] who was posing as an analyst from a New York-based energy company. In response to requests from Sporyshev, [Carter Page] provided Sporyshev with binders containing purported industry analysis written by [Carter Page] and supporting documentation relating to [Carter Page's] reports, as well as covertly placed recording devices."
While the court (and media) have been told for three years now that Russians tried to recruit Page in 2013, they have not been told that Page reported the attempted recruitment to the FBI and went to work for them as a paid undercover operative.
Ironically, the public Press Release and thanks given (anonymously as UCE-1) to Page in March 2016 happened only 10 days before he volunteered for the trump campaign. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:30, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
How can there be an abuse of FISA, if by your stated time when they issued it in 2016, the FBI had already been investigating Russian connections to the Trump campaign for three months?--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:03, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Also the source you've included is the SDNY, but it doesn't name the UCE. And since Page has been bragging about being an informal consult of the Kremlin since 2013, this seems like a stretch.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:10, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Now you're seeing the outline.
Snowden described the the potential for abuse :"I, sitting at my desk, certainly had the authorities to WIRETAP anyone, from you, or your accountant, to a federal judge, to even the President if I had a personal" identifier. This is the FISA 702 system. The FISA court has ruled abuse was occurring since 2012.
When NSA director Adm. Rogers discovered the abuse, he shut it down in April 2016. FusionGPS was hired the next day.
FBI 'contractors' were responsible for the abuse. This is where Nellie Ohr comes in. After outside contractor access was cutoff, illegal FISA 702 data was funneled outside the FBI [to FusionGPS] to make it appear the surveillance data was coming from outside the FBI.
Before going farther, you need an understanding of the difference between a FISA Title I warrant, and FISA 702 data. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 22:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
My god, NONE OF WHAT YOU SAID HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS. I'm starting to believe the only reason you ride with Trump is you both suffer from the same syphilitic brain disability to process simple information.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:08, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Duh, I wasn't talking to you, I was talking to Semipenultimate.
You haven't a clue what you are talking or writing about, to wit (a) Flynn is no longer cooperating with his plea agreement, and (b) you haven't a clue about the IG reports.
The whole basis for the origins of Russia investigation are slowly being undermined, as well as the Mueller report itself. If you think your hard work and ignorance now will pay some dividend in the 2020 election year, you're just emblematic of how far out of touch with reality leftwing extremists such as yourself are. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 16:06, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
A)Flynn has completed his cooperation...which the gov't announced today. Now he is the one delaying his sentencing, because he shuffled his defense team.
B)The IG report is pretty clear that nothing Comey did was illegal, he did not release any confidential information, and they aren't pursuing any litigation.
The only ignorant person here is you, who refuses to acknowledge basic facts in favor wild conspiracies and baseless accusations against people simply because Trump doesn't like them.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:40, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Well, I can see this has been constructive - you are updating yourself on the Flynn case. Secondly, read the conclusion in the Comey IG report, beginning at page 54. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 18:55, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Nobs, the fact that Page was already a known foreign asset is something that Republicans have been trying to hide; if he's an agent of a foreign power, Title I covers a broad base of his activities. But it's better optics to convince people that he was monitored out of the blue, which is why 702 comes up so often as a way to confuse the issue. And yes, 702 abuse has taken place across multiple presidencies, and is no doubt continuing to take place under the current president. But you are conflating the two: Page was monitored via Title I, due to his self-reported affiliation. 702 was not used to monitor Carter Page since his pre-existing status - do you agree that this is what the facts state? Semipenultimate (talk) 20:54, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
You'll have to wait for the full FISA abuse report. Its gonna be a big deal. The future of the FISA Act and FISA Court are at issue. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 01:48, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Judiciary Chairman Lindsey Graham says (a) the CIA was likely involved in the origins of Trump-Russia and (b) the results of these investigations will likely lead to the reorganization of the Justice Department. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 15:13, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Then I suppose the conversation is on hold until this FISA report comes out and it has provable evidence of what you're claiming beyond hearsay, or if Lindsay Graham can also substantiate his claims with actual evidence. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:02, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Well, yah. Let's prepare for an alternative scenario. What happens when

  1. FusionGPS is identified as one of the FBI contractors that is guilty of FISA 702 abuse since the fall of 2015;
  2. Joseph Mifsud is confirmed as a Western intelligence asset working for John Brennan;
  3. Papadopoulos is confirmed to have been set up, first by Brennan, later by Mueller;
  4. Comey, Sally Yates, Andrew McCabe, John Carlin, Rod Rosentein, and Dana Boente are all confirmed to have lied to the FISA court;
  5. Michael Flynn's conviction is thrown out.

What then? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

Motherfucker you have been saying the delay for sentencing was some ridiculous conspiracy, when he was continuing to cooperate with the government, until he changed his legal team, so they didn't use him to testify against his business partner. There isn't a single thing in that report that confirms any of the bullshit your spewing.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:26, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Not me. Flynn's lawyers. Read their motion today:
"Mr. Flynn requests that this Court (i) issue an order to show cause why the government should not be held in contempt because of their violation of this Court’s Standing Order and their legal and ethical duties to produce exculpatory and impeachment evidence to the defense; (ii) thereafter find the prosecutors in contempt of this Court’s Brady order; (iii) issue an order to them and to the Department of Justice to preserve all evidence, emails, notes, documents, texts, cell phones—including those of the Special Counsel team—and (iv) order the Department of Justice to produce all evidence the defense requests in our accompanying Motion and any and all other Brady information in the government’s possession. [4] nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 01:47, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Another excerpt from the Flynn motion:

  • "[Andrew] Weissmann and Ms. [Zainab] Ahmad while at DOJ in 2016-17 were working with cp:Bruce Ohr (then the fourth highest ranking member of DOJ) to feed information from his wife Nellie at cp:FusionGPS and British citizen cp:Christopher Steele to the FBI through his secret back-channel. This was happening after the FBI terminated Mr. Steele as a paid informant because he was keeping the press informed of his “findings.” FusionGPS, Steele, and Ms. Ohr were all working for the Clinton campaign. In addition, Ms. Ohr worked for the CIA. The entire operation is further compromised by the fact that the second agent who interviewed Mr. Flynn along with former agent Strzok, was Bruce Ohr’s contact with the FBI and conducted numerous debriefings of Mr. Ohr—passing along to the FBI the corrupted and false information from the Ohrs, Steele, and FusionGPS. That agent may also have joined Special Counsel’s team. Weissmann and Ahmad were not in the DOJ chain of command to be informed by Mr. Ohr at all. They had no legitimate reason to be privy to his operation with FusionGPS and Christopher Steele. Remarkably, despite this involvement, Mr. Weissmann and Ms. Ahmad then went directly to the Special Counsel team, along with Strzok and possibly the second agent, thereby calling into question the entire investigation with their illicit involvement with Ohr and Steele. Closing the circle, Ahmad was co-counsel with Van Grack in the prosecution of Mr. Flynn. It is imperative the defense obtain the Bruce Ohr 302s and notes—unredacted—and all evidence of this circuitous and illicit operation." nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 15:20, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Death squads[edit]

You haven't been assassinated yet. Almost seems as if someone was full of shit, but no, that can't possibly be right..... Oxyaena Harass 22:06, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

I dunno; these guys got inside Epstein's ranch which isn't that far from here. There definitely is people there. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 22:45, 29 August 2019 (UTC)
Will you notify us when you've been assassinated? Oxyaena Harass 16:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
I need to give some thought to a dead man's switch; I've only posted a fraction of what I really know. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 16:11, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Drugs will do that, yes. Oxyaena Harass 16:58, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
I could accept if he was on drugs, but I'm not sure there is a drug on earth that could produce the garbage he spews.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:41, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Ayahuasca is your friend. Oxyaena Harass 18:07, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
He's on the same drug that motivated my father, on his deathbed, barely able to breathe or whisper, to shout out "fucking cunt bitch" when Nancy Pelosi came up on Fox News. You've got to be carefully taught. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:57, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
@ripcity - 'not a drug on earth that could produce the garbage he spews' yes there is. its called cocaine, the drug of choice for pricks everywhere. it would certainly explain his astronomical ego and his propensity to spout absolute dogshit. its drug he'd be more than familiar with too as its very popular with the type of folk hes been surrounded by and been doing business with years. and that's without mentioning the many many claims of him having quite a habit. im surprised no one heres brought it up before. AMassiveGay (talk) 22:25, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
@AMassiveGay I have fucked with cocaine and it has literally never made me a RW lunatic--RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
sorry I thought this was more trump related stuff. ive no idea about nobs's drug of choice. AMassiveGay (talk) 22:28, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
Yep. That's why building the Wall will raise cocaine prices. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:05, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Oxyaena, ayahuasca is not one's friend. Bongolian (talk) 23:14, 3 September 2019 (UTC)

You're saying you wouldn't want to vomit and trip for days while believing you're gonna die? Prude. Oxyaena Harass 00:43, 4 September 2019 (UTC)


Seeing Trump as the chosen one is heretical, no? The way to salvation is through Jesus, not Trump, unless non-Christians are now allowed to become prophets. Oxyaena Harass 21:38, 1 September 2019 (UTC)

Hmmm, I couldn't agree more. Who ever said Trump is the Chosen One as the way to salvation? Fake news media? Trump never made such a claim.
Trump said he is the chosen one of American presidents to stand up to China. Where's there a controversy, other than more Democrat and fake news bullshit? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 21:44, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
He literally called himself the Second Coming of God. Oxyaena Harass 22:04, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
No, you literally chose to consume bullshit, stir fried bullshit with a little Rice-a Roni in this case. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:07, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
He did say,"I love the poorly uneducated.". Now that's downright Christ-like, don't you think?Ariel31459 (talk) 00:00, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Trump literally looked to the heavens and said "I am the chosen one" Rob. If Obama had done it you'd have flayed him alive on CP. That's the point here - you're completely dishonest. Acei9 01:09, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
I saw the presser. I know the context. He called out NBC and CNN for bullshit right there. The NBC idiot responded with, "Do you think you're the Son of God?" nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 02:25, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
When someone in power, like a president, looks to the heavens and states they are the chosen one then asking if they believe they are the son of god becomes a relevant question. But that's not the point Rob - you are not holding Trump to the same standard as Obama, or any democrat for that matter. Because you are dishonest. What would be your reaction if Trump actually did try to extend his presidency (which is a fairly good possibility) by 2 years like he is saying? Acei9 02:33, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Look, you guys are spinning your wheels in self-deception. Comey's been bitch slapped. Mueller and the whole team are getting bitch slapped right now in the Flynn and cp:US vs. Concord Management cases. Brennan, Comey Clapper, McCabe, Strzok, Obama, Rice, et al are about to get bitched slapped by john Durham. Wake up and smell the sulfuric acid - nobody falls for mainstream fake news bullshit anymore. Recycling it into stale crap about racism or God ain't gonna work, either. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 05:24, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
That’s got nothing to do with what I actually asked you. Acei9 06:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


It's interesting to see that you think that you won every Coop case,[5] including this one[6] even though you were mocked mercilessly and did not get what you wanted. Are you just counting not getting yourself banned as a victory even when you bring up the Coop case yourself? Bongolian (talk) 07:15, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm proly about 15-0 if you count the times before the Coop became a formality. Dang, it seems every time my detractors go for the Gold and try to 86 me. I just have a nasty habit of playing by the rules wherever I go (unlike, say, a liberal communist piece-of-shit like James Comey, for instance). These cases usually end in exposing the paranoid bigots making accusations for what they are. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 08:10, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
It's continually amazing to me how you ignore every lie Trump comes up with (about 7 per day currently) and target everyone else. Trump is a proven liar who is ripping off your country. You made Carter sell his peanut fun while Trump open flaunts his breaching the emoluments clause. Amazing. You have no principles at all. Acei9 09:12, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Comey a liberal communist, amazing. Oxyaena Harass 09:30, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Seriously, you gotta look at the job he's doing. Don't you think it's time somebody stood up to Chi-na? Don't you think it's time we ended the Korean War? Don't you think it's time we ended the Marshall Plan and rebuilding of Europe? Trump is the chosen one to take those steps. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 13:54, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
He's been doing a half-assed job of it, we now are facing a recession thanks to him. I won't deny Trump hasn't done good, but the good is far outweighed by the bad. Oxyaena Harass 13:59, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Recession is fake news. Sure, multinational corporations listed on Wall Street with a workforce in China will take a beating in the transitional phase, but Wall Street has become disconnected from Main Street - the real U.S. economy. The Dow Jones Industrials no longer gauge the health of the U.S. economy. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 15:22, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
If the traditional measures of strength and health of the economy aren't accurate anymore, then what does measure strength and health?Oshawottalot 15:44, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Well, certainly employment numbers and GDP; stock valuations have little impact, other than income to pension funds and retirees. The capital invested in Wall Street is not so heavily invested in creating American jobs in the age of globalization. For decades now it has gone overseas to "emerging markets." nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 17:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
@Oshawottalot The deaths of innocents, obviously. Genocide and greed is all the GOP lives for these days. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:02, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
The rich are disconnected from the common people, if we don't initiate a revolution we will all pay for their crimes. Oxyaena Harass 22:08, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Thank God Trump and Barr are getting Epstein and crew off the streets, huh? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:20, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The Coop is not a court of law: it's based on whatever the majority decides. The rules will guide people's decisions, that's about it. The reality is a majority has of RationalWikians has usually found your paranoid rantings[7] entertaining so they keep you around as someone to taunt and laugh at. Bongolian (talk) 16:21, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

BFD. I'm not the villain alleged. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 17:01, 2 September 2019 (UTC)


Do you even care that Trump is hopelessly inept? Acei9 07:53, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm a single issue voter now. I am opposed to human feces in the street. As soon as Trump betrays my and other like-minded people's trust and adopts the Democrat position of being pro-human excrement in the street I will be the first to renounce my support and jump to the opposition. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 08:09, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
You see nobs only cares about shit in the streets. He's quite OK with shit all over the WH and bedbugs.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 16:38, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Nobs does not care that someone has shit for brains. Nobs also does not give a shit about what the Bible says because he thinks he will get to Heaven no matter what he does on Earth. Argumentation with Nobs is consequently a pointless wallow in the sewer. Bongolian (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
You got it. It's not a merit system. By grace are ye saved. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:28, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
He's hopelessly over his head and so unable to admit he is wrong that he goes and draws all over the hurricane map. What kind of idiot does that (it's also a crime but you don't care when Trump breaks the law)? Acei9 00:45, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Mueller report (cont)[edit]

  1. Politico Aug 6, 2019: Strzok, the former FBI agent who opened the bureau’s Russia probe [8]
  2. NYT Apr 10, 2019: Barr Asserts Intelligence Agencies Spied on the Trump Campaign. “The question is whether it was adequately predicated." [9]
  3. RCL: "if there was evidence to that fact, it would actually be news." This is the focus of IG FISA abuse investigation. Joe diGenova, former United States Attorney for the District of Columbia when the FISA law took effect said "DOJ inspector general found all four Carter Page FISA warrants were illegally obtained." [10]
  4. See #2
  5. You make an interesting point; why did Mueller/Weissmann not specify what date the criminal investigation began? (it is surreptitiously alluded to on pages 89-90, "On June 14, 2017, when the Washington Post reported that the Special Counsel was investigating the President for obstruction of justice, the President was facing what he had wanted to avoid: a criminal investigation into his own conduct..."). McCabe told 60 Minutes he authorized it "the next day" after Comey's firing. Comey awoke at 3:00 AM after his firing with the spark of an idea: if he leaked the memo where trump said, "I hope you can see your way clear to let this go", he believed he had evidence of a crime - obstruction of justice - which then a Special Counsel could investigate. Sen. Grassley wrote Rosentein on May 17, 2018 [11] stating
The regulations authorizing the appointment of a special counsel state that the Attorney General (or Acting Attorney General) may appoint a special counsel “when he or she determinations that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted.”18 The Appointment Order proscribes the Special Counsel’s jurisdiction by citing specifically “the investigation confirmed by then-FBI Director James B. Comey in testimony before the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on March 20, 2017.”19 In his March 20 testimony, former Director Comey referred to “the investigation” as a counterintelligence investigation—not a criminal investigation.
More specifically, section 600.1 states the Attorney General “will appoint a Special Counsel when he or she determines that criminal investigation of a person or matter is warranted.” The omitted regulations do not authorize counterintelligence investigations.
So there is some question about the legality of Mueller's appointment from the git-go. Supposedly it was clarified in the August 2017 and October 2017 scope memos, which President Trump has ordered to be declassified and made public.
  1. Comey IG report, pgs. 56-57
  2. See Grassley letter, May 18, 2018, and August and October 2017 scope memos (there is some indication there may be more scope memos). nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 22:35, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
You seem to believe you have struck gold with this stream of gobbledygook, so you posted it to mine, yours and the Mueller talk page, and it's a pretty shit argument.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:34, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Actually I fucked up in posting it to the Mueller talk page (those scroll ups fucked me up) and I accidentally created double postings . Sorry. Disregard. I think I got it fixed now.
No. This isn't the end-all-to-beat-all.
The simple facts are: a Special Counsel cannot be appointed in a counterintelligence investigation. Grassley called Rosenstein out on the matter. Rosenstein clarified the scope in at least two (August and October 2017) scope memos. Trump came under criminal investigation after the firing of Comey for alleged obstruction of justice. Durham, Barr, and Horowitz are reviewing the basis for the counterintelligence investigation, which looks rather Nixonian. The FISA law was created so that another Nixon or J. Edgar Hoover in the future could ever do what it appears Obama, Brennan, Comey and Clapper did. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 21:09, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

Are You Fucking Ready?[edit] Lol --RipCityLiberal (talk) 04:27, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Yah, well Schiff will just have to wait til Durham finishes his investigation of Brennan. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 06:19, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

I'm amazed you haven't figured out what happened yet. I'll thumb nail it here, and we'll see if Horowitz, Durham, and Judge Sullivan's order in the Flynn case bare me out.

In mid 2015, Brennan and Dearlove wanted to see Hillary elected. Both feared Trump would demand NATO pay more for its own defense, and Brennan wanted to be reappointed. Furthermore, Brennan knew Trump's chief advisor Flynn knew all about Obama's EO authorizing Hillary and Brennan to arm ISIS. Brennan set up a network that included Halper, a former SVR head named Vyacheslav Trubnikov, Christopher Steele, a mid-level Kremlin bureaucrat who became a CIA asset years earlier while working in Washington by the name of Oleg Smolenkov, and Mifsud, who was used unwittingly.

Trubnikov gave Steele the 'pee-pee' kompromat. Smolenkov supposedly gave Brennan high level information linking Putin to Russian meddling. Smolenkov later was extracted, paid, bought a million dollar home in D.C., and lived with his family under their real names after the Sergei Skripal attempted assassination. Steele's 'pee-pee' memo was used by the Obama DOJ and FBI to get a blanket surveillance warrant on the Trump campaign. Hillary and the DNC paid Steele for the information, who paid Trubnikov, who PIDOOMA'd it. Comey, McCabe, et al knew the information was bullshit before they lied to the FISA court. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 08:16, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

This has Zero to do with Brennan, and nothing to do with HRC and everything to do with the fact that currently a whistle blower is being silenced in the Trump administration, a directive that could only come from the Executive branch.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Evangelicals are so hypocritical they're willing to sell their souls to a man who's a known criminal. Oxyaena Harass 16:11, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
a whistle blower is being silenced in the Trump administration, a directive that could only come from the Executive branch
Not really. The situation is the same reason the Horowitz report is taking so long. Whistleblowers "were silenced" during the Mueller probe, and could only be heard after it was completed. Now we have Durham probe. Investigatory material cannot be disclosed to Congress or the public during the coarse of an investigation.
Oh, and Brennan is up to his eyelids; Brennan right now is the chief target of the Durham investigation. The Horowitz IG cp:FISA abuse report will shed more light on how much of a target he is.
And Hillary colluded with Russians to pay for the 'pee-pee' memo; it's been in all the papers. Even CNN, WaPo. and NYT have reported that. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:26, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
If by 'pee-pee' memo you mean the Steele Dossier, Republican donors paid for it first so...--RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Link? (I could give you the specifics, but since you have little interest in facts, I'll work at your pace; And no, the Washington Free Beacon are not Republican donors neither did they employ FusionGPS at the time Steele wrote the 'pee-pee' memo). nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 19:18, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
"The Free Beacon — which was funded by a major donor [Paul Singer] supporting Mr. Trump’s rival for the party’s nomination, Senator Marco Rubio of Florida — told Fusion GPS to stop doing research on Mr. Trump in May 2016"
Eat shit fucker.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:41, 17 September 2019 (UTC)
Yep. The Free Beacon dropped Fusion when Trump wrapped up the nomination in May. Fusion hired Steele on June 12, and Steele wrote the pee-pee memo on June 21. His own words. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 04:14, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Nine days seems like a short amount of time to write a research based memo, it couldn't possibly be that the document was based on research Fusion GPS had already acquired. You know, the way that hiring an experienced intelligence officer to evaluate and summarize collected intelligence works.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:53, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Steele told us where it came from (in the October 11, 2016 Kathleen Kavalec notes from the State Department meeting). Steele told Kavalec the 'pee pee' story came from former SVR head and Brennan and Halper's buddy Vyacheslav Trubnikov. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:11, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

You ready to hold this L yet? Trump is out here legit holding Congressional allocated funds over a foreign country, in the hopes that investigate a political opponent over a frivolous and false accusation.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:47, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Bullshit. He's seeing to it that the laws of the United States are faithfully executed.
Why haven't you figured out that the U.S. Intelligence Community is at war with itself? Do you honestly believe a couple of low-level bureaucrats can wiretap and listen into the President's phone calls? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 04:31, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
First, not a wiretap. Second, your making a lot of assumptions with nil for evidence (Intelligence community have been pretty united, we don't know the level of the whistle blower, and the IG is definitely a political appointee). What possible laws are you referring to? Considering Biden was actually part of the Obama administration you can't say the Logan Act. Also all the evidence indicates this prosecutor had stopped their investigation into the company, and was removed for not being hard enough on corruption. Also, Trump has now admitted at least three times he did do this, which is definitely an abuse of power and the definition of high crimes and misdemeanors--RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:30, 25 September 2019 (UTC).
When you're pissing in the wind, stand with your back to wind, and watchout for your shoes. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 22:09, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
I have no idea what you're on about but I usually try to piss in the toilet.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:42, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Looks like your about 0-3 right now. Michael Flynn’s Former Partner Acquitted On All Counts. "evidence presented to the jury was insufficient to prove any type of #conspiracy and based mainly on #hearsay". nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 01:18, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Where is Paul Manafort sleeping tonight? Oh right prison. What about Michael Cohen? Prison. Those stupid fucks that got manipulated by Russian intelligence, also spent time in jail, so thats 5. Not only are you bad at understanding the way investigations or crimes work, I never thought you'd also be terrible at math.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 15:50, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Manafort is scheduled to be out on or before the day after the 2020 election; Flynn will win bigtime; Papadopolous will get pardoned; and Cohen can rot for a while. He is, after all a Democrat. See what Democrats do to one of their own who goes off the Reservation? nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 16:12, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
"Manafort is scheduled to be out on or before the day after the 2020 election" Lol. For Flynn "winning" is not going to prison, he's definitely gonna get three years supervised release at a minimum. Pardon the Coffee boy? Also you're telling on yourself when celebrate someone being imprisoned based on their political affiliation, and not for you know cheating American taxpayers out of millions of dollars.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:24, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
We'll argue this after the October 14 show cause hearing. As to Cohen, he's a prime victim of FISA abuse. We'll see how Horowitz handles his case, but he's not going to get much sympathy or defenders from critics of the corruption that did, in fact, occur. He's on his own to bail himself out and fight back in civil court. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 05:54, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Jesus Christ you guys[edit]

No, nobs is never ready for reality, but when it happens he'll have a narrative ready. How many years of this do you need to observe? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:49, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Who do you love more?[edit]

Your country or Hispanics? Thanks for helping elect a blatant racist to the highest office in the land, Nobs, really appreciated. Oxyaena Harass 21:46, 17 September 2019 (UTC)

Hey, my girlfriend's a Latina. If I had to choose between her and my country, owww that's a tuff one. Let me put it this way - I'd rather fuck her than get fucked by communists running this country. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 04:18, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
So you support your girlfriend over your president? Ooh God-Emperor Donald I won't be pleased when he hears this. Oxyaena Harass 13:42, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
You might be surprised. 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:6D82:2148:3EE3:8007 (talk) 05:53, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
Oh wow! Token pandering during an election cycle! This definitely overwrites the previous insults and actual legislative decisions made by Trump! ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:34, 9 October 2019 (UTC)


Have you tried not pissing into the wind lately? Oxyaena Harass 05:56, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Pissing in the wind requires some rational analysis and sound decision making to stand with your back to the wind as in the Russia collusion narrative; pissing up a rope, as in the Ukrainian collusion narrative however, defies physical laws of nature, such as gravity. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 11:02, 26 September 2019 (UTC)


I don’t know what is funnier, Ken trying to convince himself against all evidence to the contrary the NZ is going through some sort of Christian revival or your slavish kowtowing to a criminal president - against all evidence to the contrary. Carry on lads. Acei9 06:30, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

All I can say is, you're going to end up in the gulag if you don't clean up your room. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 17:20, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Massive setback to neocons and other globalists: Trump is pulling U.S. troops out of Syria.[edit]

Why is that your headline? Shouldn't it be "Trump allows dictator to attack US allies in the Middle East"? How much longer are you going to push shit uphill Rob? How far can your credulity spread? Acei9 08:54, 8 October 2019 (UTC)

I posted my response here: cp:Talk:Main_Page#Syrian_withdrawal. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 23:56, 8 October 2019 (UTC)
Aw man, you actually disagreed with that thin-skinned petty asshole about something? Welcome to RINO country, Judas. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:37, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

seriously, you're a traitor[edit]

Do you even feel a little guilty about it? Even a tinge? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:14, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

What country? No borders! No Walls! No USA At All! nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 13:17, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
I can't believe you'd say that. We need immigration. Who's going to mow our lawns if other <ahem> minority groups are too lazy to do it? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 13:25, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
So, no. You don't care that you actively aid and abet literal treason. You hate your country that much? Why? What did the US do to you that you'd betray it? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:36, 10 October 2019 (UTC)


Trump's a fucking coward and traitor leaving our allies to die at the hands of the Turks. How can you continue to support him? Oxyaena Harass 14:18, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

See above link at cp:Talk:Main_Page#Syrian_withdrawal. I've already posted a press statement. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 14:21, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, but also you support treason against the united states too. As far as I can tell, just because you hate your country. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:12, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
Right. I hate transphobia, guns, and concentration camps. I plead guilty. i also hate a corrupt police state. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 19:40, 10 October 2019 (UTC)
The problem with contradicting Trump is that you'll soon have to do it again, after consequences arise from his mistake and he then invents some bullshit to try and cover for it. Specifically this time around, it's his assertion that the Kurds are letting ISIS prisoners loose to try and draw us back in again. “Europe had a chance to get their ISIS prisoners, but didn’t want the cost. ‘Let the USA pay,’ they said... Kurds may be releasing some to get us involved.” His own words this morning, no dispute possible. Now if you'd gotten on board with the Trump party line like you should have, you'd be nodding vigorously at the suggestion of Perfidious Kurdistan. However since you've recognized abandoning Syria and the allies we've built there as the fool move it is, this evidence-free attempt to slander them might actually register as the desperate spin attempt it is. Do you again disagree with Donald Trump on something, I wonder - or have you found the free air too confining in its openness? Semipenultimate (talk) 19:41, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
It's all a Russian plot to get NATO to go to war with itself.
Shocking. Horrifying. At least the communist Democrats and hate-filled media are standing up for Christians, huh? Christian World News - Christians, Kurds and Yazidis Under Attack. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 20:11, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Solid deflection, classical name calling, standard whataboutism, not one shred of an answer. 10 out of 10 for the Nobsian style. Although the correct answer is 'Trump lied to both smear the Kurds and cover up his betrayal of them' for those of you playing along at home. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:50, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
It is highly amusing watching CP and the Trump Right studiously sweep Trumps many failings under the carpet. Watching Andy, Rob, Karajou etc betray their inerrant moral standards to a grifter the likes of Donald Trump. If Obama was president they'd be hounding for blood. Then Rob edits a page on left wing the same day a video is released showing Trump committing mass murder of his many perceived enemies. Truly staggering hypocrisy, denial and moral corruption. Acei9 21:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Whaaa? Now the godless communists cry crocodile tears for Christians after Obama's goons went on a non-stop rape and beheading rampage for 4 years. Tell me about it.
George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, and that racist Republican scumbag John McCain would be proud of your concern for the Kurds. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:20, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Carry on, Rob, carry on. You're either supremely stupid or a wonderful liar. Acei9 22:24, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Lemme get this right: Bush was right to liberate the Kurds from Saddam, and Obama fucked up when he abandoned them which led to the ISIS holocaust, so he put 50 troops back in to protect them, which now Trump withdrew in the face of thousands of troops from a NATO ally are decimating them. What facts am I missing? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:34, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Why are you talking to me about the Kurds? When did I say anything about them? You're either supremely stupid or a wonderful liar. Acei9 22:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Ok Ace, I'll ask the question on everybody's mind for the past couple of decades: What the hell are you talking about? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:57, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Your moral corruption in the face of Trump and your utter hypocrisy. Acei9 23:00, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Hey, it's Trump critics screaming Viva la Bush now. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:03, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Your moral corruption in the face of Trump and your utter hypocrisy. Acei9 23:51, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Lemme tell you where you guys fucked up: when you started pitching George W, Bush as good and descent guy. How can we take any criticism from the Left serious now? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 16:31, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello nobs[edit]

Have you actually swung to the left, or is that just some sort of strange joke? Also sorry for vanishing during that "debate", I was busy and completely forgot about it (talk) 22:45, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

It's odd that Antifa fascists suddenly become patriotic nationalists accusing Trump of treason, isn't it? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:00, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
Antifascist fascist? — Unsigned, by: / talk
Isn't gay marriage an oxymoron? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:00, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
No? (talk) 00:11, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
The problem being that you don't care about his totalitarianism, but his treason should bother someone who lies about liking the US. You hate your country and your whole stupid identity is build around pretending to love it. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:59, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm guessing you replied to the wrong guy, I am a Communist who openly despises Trump and the U.S (talk) 01:20, 19 October 2019 (UTC) (i.p changed because of new internet package)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────If your marriage isn't gay, you're doing it wrong! Bongolian (talk) 04:58, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Great and unmatched wisdom.[edit]

You would think someone he called themselves “the one”, says “they are a very stable genius” and who proclaims “great and unmatched wisdom” would think to, you know, secure their nukes before falling back and letting their fate be dictated by Turkey. Trump might be the first person in history to accidentally give 50 nuclear weapons to an authoritarian regime. Whoops. Acei9 20:14, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Now he’s calling himself “strategically brilliant”. Acei9 20:50, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
He also quite the man of letters - though he does write like a 10 year old writing to Santa. Jefferson, Washington and now Trump - brilliant literary prose. Plus he used the word server 8 times in a single long sentence. Will you ever admit the guy is starting to come apart at the seams and the festering feces that is now his brain is pushing itself to the surface. Acei9 04:51, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Wow....and you have this to say about Beto on CP... questions U.S intelligence assessments over that of our enemies.. Wow Rob, you're hypocrisy knows no bounds given Trump frequently does the exact same thing. I'm always staggered by your total dishonesty and hypocrisy. Acei9 05:35, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Now into naked corruption with Trump hosting the G7 at his own property and an admission that he did indeed withhold aid to Ukraine. And you support this fraud. Acei9 19:15, 17 October 2019 (UTC)
Wow. Just think. Trump appointed an unregistered agent of Turkey as his first National Security Advisor. James Comey didn't like that. Obama was protecting the guy who tried to overthrow the government of a NATO ally. Just what the hell is going on here? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 12:31, 18 October 2019 (UTC)
Both Obama and Trump are criminal fucks, but one's actions do not negate the actions of the other. Oxyaena Harass 16:46, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
Trump did not weaponize the foreign intelligence apparatus against domestic political opponents. Honestly, Trump critics can't see the forest from the trees. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:16, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's pretty obvious what happened. I'll narrate the story from about 2012 up to opening of Crossfire Hurricane. if anyone wants a source citation for any statement, just ask. All this info is available from mainstream (open source) reporting:

FISA abuse started about June 2012, per FISA Judge Rosemary Collyer. Flynn had a falling out with Brennan, Clapper, and Obama over weapons supply to Syria rebels (which in 2014 became ISIS). The weapons supply was carried out by then CIA director Gen. Petraeus (per NYT). Petraeus was fired over his refusal to go along with the Benghazi cover story. Flynn was fired in 2014 for refusing to accept jihadis as allies in the war against Gadaffi and Assad. But Flynn knew too much. Brennan, Halper, and Mifsud tried to frame him up as a Russian asset to discredit him.

Through FISA 702 abuse (warrantless wiretaps), Brennan knew everything about George Papadopolous by late 2015. By December 2015, Brennan had Mifsud working to compromise both Flynn and Papadopolous.

Now I'll go off the record: In my opinion, Mifsud may have been used as a stooge, who didn't quite fully understand the ramifications of the tasks Brennan asked him to perform. His specialty is really Saudi Arabia, the Arab world, and India. I don't think he really understands European and American politics at the level of the people who used him. Whatever the case, it appears he wants to come clean now, and return to some semblance of a normal life.

Everything Snowden warned about in 2014 came true in 2016 and onward. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 23:46, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

The constitution[edit]

So why is it conservatives only support parts of the constitution they like but ignore the rest? "Changing the gun laws violates The Constitution" they say but when Trump calls the emoluments clause "phony" we just get silence. Why so dishonest and hypocritical? Acei9 01:58, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Huh? Are you trying to convince me a 70 year old billionaire is using the office of the presidency for personal enrichment?
Oh, I gitit. He's not looking to enrich himself anymore, but build a dynasty for his children, not unlike Hunter Biden or Chelsea Clinton getting greased for $26,724 For Each Minute She Appeared On NBC. Is that what you mean by Emolument? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 02:14, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
You addressed nothing relevant to what I asked you. Acei9 03:47, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Also I didn’t know Hunter Biden and Chelsea Clinton were also president. So an irrelevancy and a red herring. Try address my first comment. Acei9 03:50, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
What's an emolument? Eleanor Roosevelt selling Ivory dish soap on the radio? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 04:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
A phoney part of the constitution apparently. Perhaps Andy could start a new project to remove liberal bias from it? Also I didn’t know Eleanor Roosevelt was also a president. Acei9 06:23, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Under community property laws, Hillary Clinton took a half million dollar bribe when her husband received payment 500% above fair market value for a speech in Moscow (in which he was personally thanked by Vladimir Putin) for her signing off on the Uranium One deal. Where's the outrage? Where's the publicity? Where's the investigation? And then you wonder why no one takes your feigned criticisms seriously? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 07:09, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Still no comment from you even remotely related to my original post. The longer it goes the further you go from actually addressing it. Also I didn’t know Hillary was also a president. Acei9 07:27, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
You must be talking about crap like this: Trump hotel lease is subject of latest House subpoena. The problem is, that runs straight into the God-given right of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness and the president's right to earn a living and provide sustenance for his family. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 14:03, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
So the constitution no longer matters? Acei9 19:36, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
Of coarse it does. If Trump want's to pursue happiness by signing a lease on the Old Union Station to convert to a Trump Hotel, it'll never see the inside of court room. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 20:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)
So the emoluments clause isn’t phoney then . Acei9 01:00, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
If you begin as a broke bum, and your only source of income is the government payroll, and your net worth exceeds paid employment with certain adjustments for living expenses, then there may be cause for an emoluments investigations. However, if you begin as a greedy capitalist, donate a portion of your time to government service, continue capitalist operations employing people, providing services, and paying taxes, and there is no direct conflict of interest between your ongoing business operations and disbursements of public funds and contracts, there should be no cause for alarm.
Let's review the lease for moment: First off, Trump is paying the government rent on the lease; secondly, I'm assuming that it was was not a no-bid contract. And if it were, that wouldn't be Trump's problem, that would be some corrupt murtherfucking idiot in the gubmint (assuming the contract was awarded before Trump donated his valuable time, based on fair market value of his time, to government service. And being that the $450,000 per annum wage scale the gubmint pays the president, Trump would have a deductible loss to offset any gain he supposedly has from employment in government service). nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 11:07, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
So the emolument clause isn’t phoney then. Acei9 23:20, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
No one ever said it was. It's no more phoney than the prosecutorial misconduct of the Mueller team or unconstitutional processes of the Democrat House. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 01:47, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Donald Trump said it was. That's what started this whole conversation and was the topic introduced in the first post.Oshawottalot 03:02, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Oh, thanks. I generally don't follow Trump when he talks bullshit, which is a lot. I rely on you guys to tell me about it. Thanks. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 03:16, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Cool, it doesn’t matter then that the president talks bullshit that you fucks don’t listen to. Acei9 14:54, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
No, not at all. I'm glad you're being entertained.
Hey did you hear? Comey's moving to New Zealand. Good! New Zealand seems to be the place cooks, criminals, and communists like to hide out. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 17:07, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
Since when did cooks ever done you wrong? And I thought that was California. Oxyaena Harass 17:28, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
(is that the right spelling? "cooks" looks like a whopper flopper). Comey's too selfish and greedy, he doesn't want to pay California taxes. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 19:49, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

So if the emoluments clause isn’t phoney then Trump is violating the constitution. So does the constitution matter? Acei9 10:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)

Yep. Beginning with the due process clause. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 14:46, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
So Trump is violating the constitution. I thought conservatives held the constitution as sacrosanct? Acei9 22:13, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
If you're looking for a job in journalism, maybe you should consider other career options. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 22:34, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
I actually do work as a freelance journalist however that isn't my full time job. Anyway - back to the point at hand: Trump is violating the constitution. I thought conservatives held the constitution as sacrosanct? Acei9 22:36, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
Ace, now I regard and respect you as an intelligent man (person/thing/whatever). However, in this case, your proving that people with an IQ of 140+ can still succumb to brainwashing. Take a step back. Look at yourself. Ask, 'Am I following the herd, or have i given up my capacity for individual reasoned judgement?' And if you do consider that you have not succumbed to the peer pressure of communist idiots, ask, 'What about appearance? Do I appear to have succumbed to the peer pressure of communist idiots?'
It's not too late. Jesus still loves you and it is possible to retain some personal dignity. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 04:18, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Stick to the topic Rob. Trump is violating the emoluments clause - so does that matter or not? Acei9 06:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
No evidence of that. You cannot deny a person their right to life, liberty and pursuit of property. You have no evidence he's being wither bribed or using his office for personal financial gain. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 15:09, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
"You cannot deny a person their right to life, liberty and pursuit of property." Just popping in to say that yes you can. That's the entire point of legal and political systems, to judge whether not someone should be able to do something or whether it infringes on the rights of others. Or in other words, that's how the law works Rob. If I were a sadist and my pursuit of the described infringed on the rights of others, it would an should be curbed. Also, as to "...or using his office for personal financial gain." Transcript, Giuliani quotes, and basically almost all his public statements. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:23, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
without due process, that is correct. Saying a crime has occurred, or calling a person a criminal is not due process. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 18:00, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Rob, having foreign governments stay at Trump hotels which funnels money into Trump's pockets as a private citizen is a breach of the emoluments clause. The same applies when Trumps own staff rack up $1000 bar-tab at Trumps Florida Estate which is then paid by the taxpayer. Trump is mingling his private businesses with his public responsibility - this is why there is a emoluments clause. Secondly - yes a person has right to life, liberty and pursuit of prosperity within the confines of the law. You have already stated the constitution still applies, you can't have it both ways - either the constitution matters or not. If it does then Trump is restricted, like everyone else, by law on how he is able to pursue prosperity. Acei9 19:25, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
That's just bullshit. If you were familiar with the tax law, you'd know. Was it an emolument when George Washington ran the Executive Branch out of Mount Vernon? Would it be an emolument today if Trump moved Executive Branch operations to Trump Tower? (incidentally, it would be perfectly legal, and he'd be within his rights, to do that). And you still can't deprive a person of life, liberty, or his ability to pursue happiness via income without due process. And blame the criminals, malcontents, and murderers if wanna a bitch about a bar tab for Secret Service. If the taxpayers don't pick up the bar tab, then it's a bribe paid by Trump to the government.
Any disbursement of taxpayer funds requires due diligence. If that due diligence yields the fact that Trump Doral is best dollar spent for the G20, hell, that ain't Trump's fault. That's some other schmuck's fault for not buying Trump Doral first or building a better alternative site.
There is no law that says either the president, or the U.S. taxpayers, must cut off their nose to spite their face, which is your only argument. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 20:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Rob your argument has two major flaws. Firstly you are equating Trump the president with Trump the private citizen. When Trump is a private citizen (whether the be in 1 year or 5) he can make money anyway he likes (being an ex-president is particularly lucrative) however as the president he is subject to laws other people are not. One of which is emoluments clause but Trump is using the power of the presidency to direct taxpayer money into the accounts of Trump the private citizen. He is also using the power of the presidency to pump foreign money into his private accounts. Both of which violate the emoluments clause. It's as simple as that. The biggest flaw in your argument however is that you know it is wrong because we both know if this was Obama you'd be shouting about corruption across RW and CP. Your hypocrisy as it is destroys your own argument. If it isn't OK for Obama it sure as shit isn't OK for Trump. Acei9 01:23, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
@Ace McWicked Good post! ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:37, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm astounded how utterly difficult it is for Rob to answer some really easy questions. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 02:20, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
For an emolument, two basic elements must occur: (1) a quid pro quo redounding to some personal financial gain supported by evidence that the transaction (2) would not have occurred in the normal course of business. Actually, third factor would be necessary: proof of performance on the part of the office holder, that the officeholder took some action that was motivated by or the result of such a reward. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 02:36, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
No, Rob. That is wrong. The emoluments clause mentions nothing of the sort. You can’t weasel word yourself out this - it’s is as basic as I’ve laid out. Face the facts - you just don’t give a shit because it’s Trump. Acei9 02:43, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Under your alleged theory, any elected official with a retirement account that has stock in Wal Mart, Microsoft, Office Max, Craft Foods or any other company that does business with the government, is receiving an emolument. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 15:45, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
No Rob. That is wrong. The Emoluments Clause covers both foreign governments or the federal government - not private companies. Secondly if an elected official with shares in the above companies were using their powers to enrich themselves through companies that would be called corruption. Why is it me, a NZ citizen, who is schooling you on your own laws? Trump is violating the constitution and you don’t care. I’d respect you more if you just admitted it. Acei9 17:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── In fact, most Members of Congress and other elected officials hold stock in companies that regularly do business with the federal, state, and local governments. Your argument is basically anti-entrepreneurial - that because you can see a straight line from the owner of a privately held company to an elected official, therefore he should be forced to liquidate all his interests, place the proceeds in U.S. Treasury notes, and go on the public dole as a civil servant (which incidentally, holds stock in publicly traded companies that do business with the U.S. government in civil service retirement funds). No such law exists in the U.S..

As to the argument that foreign diplomats stay in Trump hotels, you'd still have to prove that (a) a quid pro quo existed; (b) the quid pro quo came about by a corrupt motive (i.e. a conspiracy between participants); (c) that the corrupt motive caused actions to be taken by the foreign government that ordinarily would not have occurred. If Trump Hotels worldwide have established themselves in the competitive market of hosting foreign diplomats, that would be tough to prove.

Granted, investigating the corrupt motives of a foreign government is entirely a subjective issue that the Senate would have to decide in an impeachment trial. OTOH, Members of Congress have historically accumulated vast wealth by investing in defense-related start-up companies (IPO) that produce defense-related technologies marketed to foreign governments (same is true in the biomedical field, but the revenues there primarily come domestically).

Then again, we'd also have to consider really the main issue. Typically, elected officials and high ranking appointed officials place their asset holdings into a blind trust. They refrain from direct management and consultation on decisions, and only receive quarterly financial reports. There is no law mandating this, but it has become the accepted practice to avoid the appearance of conflict of interest (btw, insider trading rules only apply to Wall Street bankers and brokers, not Congressional members or staffers). In the case of Donald Trump, whose assets primarily consist of real estate and ongoing businesses, not stock in publicly traded companies, Trump has turned over management of his affairs to a trustee, is son Donald Jr.. Now, someone may argue there is the appearance of a conflict of interest there, but that again would be hard to prove, given there is no law mandating this accepted practice in the first place. To go after the Trumps on these grounds would affect every member of congress and their staffs, that have used blind trusts and circumvention of insider trading rules to pad their own pockets. None, I suspect, are interested in upsetting the apple cart. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 18:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

No Rob, that is wrong. The emoluments clause says nothing about a quid pro quo and doesn’t relate to the Stockmarket or private enterprise - it relates to taxpayer money and foreign money. It is as simple as I laid out: Firstly you are equating Trump the president with Trump the private citizen. When Trump is a private citizen (whether the be in 1 year or 5) he can make money anyway he likes (being an ex-president is particularly lucrative) however as the president he is subject to laws other people are not. One of which is emoluments clause but Trump is using the power of the presidency to direct taxpayer money into the accounts of Trump the private citizen. He is also using the power of the presidency to pump foreign money into his private accounts. Both of which violate the emoluments clause. It's as simple as that. The biggest flaw in your argument however is that you know it is wrong because we both know if this was Obama you'd be shouting about corruption across RW and CP. Your hypocrisy as it is destroys your own argument. If it isn't OK for Obama it sure as shit isn't OK for Trump. Acei9 18:53, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Your argument falls apart based on the fact that civil service retirement funds have money in multinational (i.e. foreign) stocks. As you say, a quid pro quo isn't needed - the fact McDonalds does business in China and federal pension funds hold McDonalds stock is enough.
Leftist street activists can bitch about emoluments, but when push comes to shove, I'd be amazed to see it even be an Article of Impeachment. And if so, that will be a wild ride in the Senate. My guess is they would dismiss the charge out of hand. OTOH, some Senators may wish to focus on these abuses and reforms, and allow Trump lawyers to present a defense. I can't think of one Democrat Senator who would rise to criticize these accepted practices. If Liz Warren or Bernie Sanders tried to push Emoluments (remember, Trump's assets are in real estate, not Wall Street), they'd have their asses handed to them by Democratic Congressional and party leadership. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 19:12, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Two points: (A) Donald Jr. is blind trustee; (B) was Hunter Biden's income a violation of the Emoluments Clause (since the clause applies to both President and VP)? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 19:18, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Rob, you are still wrong. The clause refers to taxpayer money or from a foreign state - not from stocks or private investments. I’m tired of repeating myself. Trump used his position to accept money from the taxpayer which isn’t part of his salary and from foreign heads if state - both violate the emoluments clause. Hunter Biden is not a federal employee and neither is Don Jnr so that’s just a dumb red herring. Also your own hypocrisy destroys your own argument. Just be a man and admit it. Acei9

"taxpayer money from a foreign state" Think about that for a minute and try clarifying what you mean. Also remember, we are talking about three different entities, Trump the individual, Trump the office holder, and Trump's businesses. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
"taxpayer money from a foreign state" Think about that for a minute and try clarifying what you mean. Also remember, we are talking about three different entities, Trump the individual, Trump the office holder, and Trump's businesses.
The hardest part you have to overcome is proving that some diplomat chose to stay at a Trump Hotel rather than the Hyatt, for $260 a night, hoping to get a $50 million aid grant. Otherwise it's simply a cash for services transaction at market rates. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:09, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
No Rob. You are wrong, still and again. There's doesn't need to be any quid pro quo. Through the Trump business Trump the president is receiving money from a foreign state - that violates the Emoluments Clause. This has been explained to you several times. I'm actually staggered you are this stupid Rob. I never said "taxpayer money from a foreign state". I said - "The clause refers to taxpayer money or from a foreign state - which is exactly what the clause state. Secondly I have already mentioned that Trump isn't 3 entities - he is one, Trump the president. Once he became president he is now subject to different laws than as a private citizen, and he violating those laws by operating as a business. Thirdly you fail to address your biggest failing, that if it was Obama you'd be singing a totally different tune. Acei9 00:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
"taxpayer money from a foreign state" Think about that for a minute and try clarifying what you mean. (Not sure who brought the phrase up or what it's suppose to mean).
Ok. Here's the wording:
no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
An emolument is basically grease. The meaning today is the same as in 1789. Trump's not the first office holder that this clause has ever been discussed. A fee for service is not grease. Conversely, a payment for service 500% above fair market value from a foreign entity (or even domestic) in a community property state paid to a spouse looks like grease. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:40, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
No Rob, you are still fucking wrong. It says nothing about “grease” (I have explained this several times now). Trump receiving money from a foreign state violates the emoluments clause - regardless of the service provided.. That’s it. You are making up provisions that don’t exist anywhere. And you are still wrong by way of your staggering hypocrisy. You keep saying the same thing using different words but you are still wrong. Acei9 01:36, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
Really? Thanks. God damn ferners. See, I told you globalism is illegal. Thank you for being so persistent in your nationalist arguments. Vivi la USA! nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 05:21, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
So now, run out of arguments, failed on every front, resort to non-sequitur. Just another hypocritical, lying, dishonest conservative/christian*.......*you are neither a conservative nor a christian. Could you at least try mount an argument or, as I thought, you are just a hypocrite? Acei9 05:26, 3 November 2019 (UTC)


If Ken wants to put pics on my talkpage he can do it himself. If he has the Machismo to do so...Acei9 02:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)


You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations. EK (talk) 11:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

Trump v Obama[edit]

Hi Rob, I'm sorry I had to school you before. But I have another one for you. The CP article for Obama says

His presidency was marred by anemic economic growth, rising federal debt, his poor foreign policies and multiple political scandals.Obama separated families at the border and locked children in cages. Pursuing a foreign policy that undermined American interests, he developed close relations with foreign dictators and shunned democratic movements.

So that's bad right? Acei9 09:28, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

Shit, I thought that was pretty tame language. I'm working on revising it to be more specific, with citations. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 17:01, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Why don't you add it to the Trump page too given Trump is presiding over a hugely inflated federal debt, has locked children in cages and routinely praises foreign dictators, shunning traditional democratic alliances? Oh yeah, that's right - you're an unrepentant hypocrite. Acei9 21:42, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Nah. Old news. Where do you think I got my inspiration from? nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 05:58, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
So yeah a total hypocrite. You're not a Christian or a conservative - just a dishonest dick. Acei9 22:30, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
Wow. What's so hard to grasp? Obama sucked and Trump is the son of Jesus. That's not necessarily partisan in any way, just one man's opinion. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 21:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
That's fairly heretical, Nobs. Oxyaena Harass 00:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


And you still support this crook who basically stole money slated for charity. Acei9 00:39, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

He had nothing to do with the Clinton Foundation, other than maybe be inspired by them as a model of charitable giving and humanitarian assistance. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 00:48, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
So there's basically no low that Trump could sink to that you would care about. He stole money from a charity Rob, partly to buy a fucking picture of himself. How are you OK with this? Are you so morally corrupt that you'll forgive Trump of everything? Acei9 00:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Oh, thank God. I thought you were gonna say he was using it as a cover for a child sex trafficking ring. nobsNo border! No Wall! No USA at All! 01:50, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
So you don't care that Trump ripped off his own charity? A fucking charity Rob. Acei9 01:53, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Trump's also probably the least generous "philanthropist" out there, altho it should be noted the wealthy in general are more stingy than poor people, the statistics back this up. Oxyaena Harass 13:32, 21 November 2019 (UTC)


What are your thought on the census? AceMcWicked 07:21, 18 November 2019 (UTC)


Where the hell have you been? Oxyaena Harass 02:09, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

I'm changing internet providers and it got all fucked up. This one has been real spotty. Nothing but fly-by-nites where I live. Xfinity says my address is a commercial address and wants to charge me commercial rates, and I'm not doing that anymore. Hopefully I'll have it worked it any day now. But all the these internet companies have nothing but idiots working in customer service.nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 06:49, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Country service in general is pretty shitty, hope the infrastructure gets fixed soon. Oxyaena Harass 07:05, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I paid for a bunch of service I never received, so its a money dispute, but I'm having a real hard time finding a good replacement. It's almost xfinity is trying to blackmail me and refuses to ga ve me residential rates. Shit, they have even been here to the house and can see its not a business, but I can't get them to change their records. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 14:35, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Xfinity sucks. Their salespeople keep trying to get me to switch to them, and I keep telling them "nope, I'm happy with CenturyLink." 2607:FB90:915E:7D45:0:3:A1A7:1501 (talk) 14:56, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
One of the things I think every American can relate to is getting dicked around by shitty internet companies. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄Ask about our holiday specials! 15:02, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Comcast can fuck around like this because it holds an effective monopoly on internet services. Oxyaena Harass 15:22, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Let's look and see if, oh, nope, Republicans have no fucks to give for consumers getting screwed by service providers. Don't like it? Don't pay for them. After all, you have 'access', and therefore, no right to complain, ever, about what you receive. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:43, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
If you can get DSL, and it's faster than 1.5 megs, get it and tell Comcast to pound salt. You'd be amazed at how viable that option really is despite Comcast's claims that you need 100 megs to watch Netflix and YouTube... 2607:FB90:915E:7D45:0:3:A1A7:1501 (talk) 18:55, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I might try Hughesnet. Anybody ever hear of them? nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 00:14, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
HughesNet is satellite. I've used wi-fi connections that were through HughesNet, and it was fast enough (I actually did BitTorrent from a Southwest Airlines flight via HughesNet like a boss). The downsides to them are latency (bad for gamers and day traders) and the data caps. Who is the phone compamy where you live? CenturyLink? AT&T? Frontier? Windstream? Verizon? Check and see what they offer. You may be surprised they offer the same speeds you're getting with Comcast. 2607:FB90:6A29:F279:0:10:2CF3:6001 (talk) 00:21, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
You guys have it bad comparably. NZ is more expensive but the service is brilliant. A few years ago we started a huge fibre-obtic network which starts with smaller towns first. My ex-wife lives about 30k from me in a small beach community and she has better service than me in a city location. AceModerator 02:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I think it's ATT. Been a long time since I had a landline. Comcast/Xfinity run all the cable connections. The problem is the zoning laws in this town - you can get anything zoned any way you want with enough money. A previous owner evidently had this place zoned commercial and Xfinity will not change it and give a residential contract. I've been paying commercial rates for 2 years, about twice as much, and am tired of arguing with them about it. So I'm looking for a smaller company to give me a dish on roof with a modem inside, but it still costs about the same as Xfinity. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 02:48, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@Ace McWicked We have fiber optic internet in this country too, it's usually installed by the landline companies, but there's also companies like Google Fiber and Crown Castle available in limited areas. I don't live in a city and I could get a dedicated fiber connection run to my house, I'd just have to pay a huge price for it. 2607:FB90:928B:DAF7:0:1A:45BD:9801 (talk) 03:13, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@RobSmith, see what AT&T offers where you live. You may even be able to get fiber through them like Ace was talking about, and unlike my situation where they'd have to run the line from two streets over, it might actually be affordable. 2607:FB90:928B:DAF7:0:1A:45BD:9801 (talk) 03:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)


Unbelievable. While shopping for service I was transferred to an operator in India. They wanted a credit card number first in order to talk to custom service rep. And my local city council granted these guys a license to operate in my city. Now I need to rethink my positions on local and federal regulation. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 03:21, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I already rethought my position: I support full privatization of all government services in which Nobs indulges, at least until he moves to a libertarian paradise. Bongolian (talk) 03:48, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
If you're this put off by under-regulated monopolistic service providers, one can only imagine the full-blown socialist conversion you'll experience when you're fucked into bankruptcy by your insurance provider over a hospitalization. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:27, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
What happens when the insurance provider is fucked into bankruptcy by mandatory coverage? nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 18:59, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Like, say, in Scandinavia, where the child mortality rate is now higher than in Afghanistan and nobody can get healthcare?𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 20:37, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Too bad Nobs can't move to Afghanistan in good conscience. Afghanistan also has state-regulated internet (Internet in AfghanistanWikipedia). Bongolian (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Not to mention loose gun laws, strong family values, and strong measures taken against creeping secularism and the gay agenda.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 21:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Huh? Like the Bacha baziWikipedia? nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 22:36, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Which was harshly suppressed under the Taliban and is generally illegal under Afghan law.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 22:41, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
Well, evidently Afghan law is not being enforced. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 02:00, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
Laws generally aren't enforced after Uncle Sam brings freedom.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 18:40, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
From 632 A.D. until 1996 A.D., Islamic law, culture, and traditions were in place. Then the Taliban outlawed gay pedophilia, putting them at odds with Shi'ism and the corrupting influences of American society and culture. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 19:09, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Afghanistan didn't even become mostly Muslim until at least the 9th century. And it wasn't that abrupt: Islam generally strongly condemns homosexuality. Is your comment supposed to be serious or sarcastic?𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞)

Considering there was a 20% margin of error in the dating, I'll stand corrected. However the question of Muhammad's gay pedophilia remains hotly contested. Shi'ism and the Ayatollah's appear to be supportive. Whatever the case, the Taliban risks going against several Islamic and Afghan cultural traditions, whereas the American military under its Commander-in-Chief Barack Obama allegedly is tolerant. [12] nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 22:04, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
What, what? Who said the prophet Muhammad was a gay pedophile? I never heard of anyone saying that. I similarly haven't heard about the stuff you cite with the Shias. Even if it is true, the Shias and the Taliban hate each other anyway, and their being at each other's throats as inevitable. Also, PBS [htt ps:// says] the practice was "recently revived" which implies that it formerly was far less of a problem.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 22:29, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
The Muhammad article makes a passing reference to it. The Ayatollah Khomeini is said have stated in 1979,
A man can quench his sexual lusts with a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate. Sodomizing the baby is halal (allowed by sharia). If the man penetrates and damages the child, then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl, however, does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister. It is better for a girl to marry when her menstruation starts, and at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven [13]
and has bee accused of marrying a 4 year old girl. [14] I dunno, maybe it's just a Sunni/Saudi plot. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 21:27, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
That's the key word: accused. Nobody ever proved anything. Tellingly, your source is a highly Islamophobic website that basically admits to being racist. Also, the ruling he wrote allows marriage to young girls, not boys. It is straight, not gay, pedophilia that he is condoning. I'm pretty sure, given that the U.S right has strong Saudi links, it's likely one of their plots.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 19:01, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Islamophobic or Shiaphobic? they are two different things. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 19:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Oh, and Saudi Arabia is a "frontline state" in the war against Putin/Iran/Solemeini aggression. Withholding aid to a frontline ally would threaten national security. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 19:06, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
The Saudis are funders of terrorists, we shouldn't be allies with them. Oxyaena Harass 19:28, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
@RobSmith Islamophobic. They even have a whole sub-section called "Counter-Jihad". I also never proposed withholding aid to the Saudis.𝔖𝔲𝔪𝔪𝔞 𝔄𝔱𝔥𝔢𝔬𝔩𝔬𝔤𝔦𝔠𝔞 (𝔮𝔲𝔢𝔯𝔢𝔩𝔦𝔰) (𝔰𝔠𝔯𝔦𝔭𝔱𝔲𝔯𝔞) 23:18, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
Aid to Saudi Arabia is in the frontline of defense against Putin/Iranian aggression; withholding aid would be a high crime and impeachable offense, nobsEpstein didn't kill himself 01:10, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
Well, that depends. Was the aid approved through Congress? Is the witholding made in public through proper channels? Does the President benefit in any personal way? Does a transcript show clear evidence of a clumsy extortion attempt? And anecdotally, when any information is revealed, how much do the arguments and defenses change as a result i.e. have the defenders proceeded in any way from 'the President didn't do X' to 'X is not a crime when the President does it'? Semipenultimate (talk) 22:52, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you. I dangled the bait and you swallowed it. Saudi Arabia is not a welfare case - they can pay their own way. We don't "give them aid", we sell them arms. nobsFree Roger Stone! 01:59, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
My statement addresses an approach to analysis as to whether or not power has been abused; at no point did I refer to SA or any other contents of whatever bucket of shit you were trying to stir. However thank you for confirming that witholding approved aid (i.e. abuse of power) is an impeachable offense. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:00, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
That extrapolation is perhaps in error. nobsFree Roger Stone! 18:19, 31 January 2020 (UTC)


Vladimir Putin's inner Brezhnev boy

Based on the nature of your recent edits,[15] it is clear that the real "Rob Smith" was "suicided",[16] and that whoever took over his account is actually a crisis actor. Bongolian (talk) 08:14, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Nobody here but us Rusbots. Herr Smith is in a meeting with Señor Putin. Care to leave a message? nobsFree Roger Stone! 08:52, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
So, you admit to being a commie tool, just like John Bolton has been accused of being.[17] Bongolian (talk) 19:18, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
Absolutely. Comrade Schiff says John Bolton "lacks credibility" and I'm just tag-teaming. nobsFree Roger Stone! 21:22, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
all hail mother russia. EK (talk) 12:10, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

The reason Democrats are so xenophobic about Russia is because Putin punked Obama three times:

  1. Putin punked Obama before he was president in the Summer of 2008 when Putin moved into Abkhazia. As the whole planet knows, the best time for an aggressive power to take an agressive action is in a U.S. Presidential election year when Americans will be divided about how to respond. Obama said about Abkhazia the U.S. should take Russian aggression to the United Nations, where Russia can veto a resolution, thus exposing (a) Obama didn't know a goddamn thing about world, (b) nobody on Obama's staff understood a goddamn thing about the planet, and (c) Obama, justifiably so, considered anyone listening to him to be a total idiot.
  2. Putin punked Obama when he moved into Crimea after Obama overthrew the democratically elected president of Ukraine; and
  3. Putin punked Obama when he aided Syria after Obama withdrew from Iraq and armed ISIS to overthrow Assad.

Given the fact Putin so thoroughly exposed Obama for the charlatan he is, Obamaites hated Putin and considered him a bigger threat than the Chinese Communist Party, tried to destroy Flynn and Trump, and we're living with the consequences today.

As the whole planet now sees the world as Gen. Flynn does - the CCP threat - the US and Russia will naturally grow closer together. nobsFree Roger Stone! 02:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Highly unlikely, given that isn't Putin's goal. He already has treaties with the PRC, and weakening the US, even indirectly, helps Russia's status on the world stage. Of course, it also helps the PRC's status, a fact that both Xi and Putin are all too aware of. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:25, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
The CCP and Russia are not natural allies. Russia seeks to be a Western power. China has essentially attacked the entire world. nobsFree Roger Stone! 02:37, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Nonsense. While the PRC has become more economically aggressive as of late, it's hardly "attacking the entire world". It's just engaging in shadely lending to entrap African nations into dept in order to basically turn them into proxy states so they can exploit the continent's vast mineral reserves and use them as fodder for their economy so they can turn around and manufacture cheap goods like electronics in order to undercut European and US manufacturing and thus realign the global economy to predominantly benefit their nation rather than their rivals, Russia and the US. Russia is pulling similar schemes in the Middle East and the US is engaging in such schemes on almost every continent. And Russia doesn't want to be a Western power. They hate the West. Russia wants to be a Russian power, obviously. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:55, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Also, I can't believe you'd be so naive as to believe that any of the international power Blocs actually genuinely give a rat's fuck about each other. Most of them are merely engaging in mutual exploitation and posturing. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
That's a good analysis of the pre-covid era, however times have changed. The days of fools like Obama seeking Xi Jinping's blessing on climate change are gone for ever. nobsFree Roger Stone! 09:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Incidentally, your Chinses Communist buddies will cut your heart, lungs, liver, and kidneys out with no anesthesia while you're still alive on the operating table if you're gay married or advocate gay marriage. Do you think (a) such stories are appropriate for children in drag queen story hour, and (b) it'll be a return to business as usual between the CCP, the US, EU, and Russian Federation in coming months and the next two years? nobsFree Roger Stone! 10:09, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Treaties? The CCP signed a new trade deal treaty with the U.S. on the same day their stooges in the World Health Organization informed the planet it had nothing to fear from the Covid virus cause Chinese communist "scientists" told them it was non-transmissible. Of coarse World GDP is only down about 8 or 10% since then, so what's an honest mistake among scientists and bureaucrats, huh? nobsFree Roger Stone! 10:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Pre-Covid? Rob, there is no per-crisis era in international politics. They're still playing the exact same game, just with increased stakes at the moment. "Incidentally, your Chinses Communist buddies will cut your heart, lungs, liver, and kidneys out with no anesthesia while you're still alive on the operating table if you're gay married or advocate gay marriage." Oh. Rob. Even after all this time you think I'm an actual Communist? And you think that the PRC, which is basically just capitalism if an authoritarian state ran it, is Communist? LOL!!! Are you really so unable to step outside of your worldview? Also, you didn't answer my question below. If there is no difference between various leftist schools of thought (please continue to ignore leftwing anti-statists like Anarchists) then is there no difference between rightwingers? Are Nazis and Conservatives one and the same? Or is it just the side that you don't like that gets lumped together and Othered?
"The days of fools like Obama seeking Xi Jinping's blessing on climate change are gone for ever." Given Obama first ran for a major public office in 1997, and Xi only rose to power in 2012 at the earliest, it's a little hard for Obama to be a Manchurian candidate. Also, Obama is still a NeoLiberal who favors Capital over Labor. "Do you think (a) such stories are appropriate for children in drag queen story hour, and" Do you think such a response bang hop banana split? Well, do you?
"it'll be a return to business as usual between the CCP, the US, EU, and Russian Federation in coming months and the next two years?" That "business as usual" attitude never vanished. We can't "return" to something if we never left it. "Treaties? The CCP signed a new trade deal treaty with the U.S. on the same day their stooges in the World Health Organization informed the planet it had nothing to fear from the Covid virus cause Chinese communist "scientists" told them it was non-transmissible." Rob, there's a lot to unpack here. So, yes the PRC lied in order to put up a strong front on the international scene. They then threatened and bribed most of their scientists into keeping quiet. By the way, a number of academics in the PRC who defied that order are now missing, and probably rotting in shallow graves. Fun fact. As for the treaties, um... That's literally what international politics is about. When they aren't violating international law and invading countries under false pretenses in order to do war crimes and serve private interests. And also when they aren't inflicting predatory loans on economically vulnerable nations in order to entrap them into borderline slavery. "Of coarse World GDP is only down about 8 or 10% since then, so what's an honest mistake among scientists and bureaucrats, huh?" Rob, the entire global economy almost crashed at least twice so far. That's hardly the minor dip you're making it out to be. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Stepping outside my worldview momentarily, oddly this video, The show China doesn't want you to see dated Jan 16, 2020 - a week before the pandemic was made public, came up on autoplay. So I checked Wikipedia, which says in its Intro,
The performances have received criticism for promoting sectarian doctrines and negative views toward evolution, atheism, and homosexuality, as well as being "filled with cult messages".[6][7][8]
So, watching this 14 minute video and reading the Shen YunWikipedia article, it appears WP has become a big mouthpiece for Chinese communist propaganda. nobsFree Roger Stone! 01:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, the Epoch Times, mouthpiece of the Falung Gong cult, is indeed pandering to people with your biases Rob. Also you're conclusion is fallacious. If I am Critical of Group A and Group B, and I describe both neutrally, am I for Group A or Group B? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Did you actually watch all 14 minutes of the video? NTD say WP's Shen Yun article is probably edited daily by the Chinese 50 cent army. Do you see the susceptibility of WP readers (or even RW's) to Chinese Marxist propaganda? If I were a dedicated advocate of evolution, atheism, and homosexuality, I'd be awfully angry and frightened about manipulation by people who are more interested in totalitarianism and political power than my pet interests, in an effort to deceive me and my ideological cohorts by attacking my political opponents. After squashing critics of evolution, atheism, and homosexuality. you know you'd be first on the table to have your heart and lungs cut out by the CCP, if history is any guide. nobsFree Roger Stone! 01:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


Staying indoors like the doctors say or are you following your inept dear leader's lead? Oxyaena Harass 13:35, 19 March 2020 (UTC)

be safe, don't die. 🙏 EK (talk) 13:46, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
He's too busy spreading lies[18][19] about the 'Wuhan Virus'[20] to go outside. Bongolian (talk) 17:38, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
They canceled the shuffleboard tournament down at the senior center so now I'm forced to stay home giving my time to study an prayer (believe it or not, I'm even praying for all godless communist sinners, Democrats, and homosexuals).
So far it looks like this Leftist Chinese plot may be failing; rather than kill off all boomers and red state America, it looks like Democrat base among the homeless may take a real beating. This is why the CCP can't be trusted; they didn't coordinate with the DNC and Deep State in this reprisal action in the trade war. Pity. Such fools. America will return to a pre-Nixon view of China for many years to come. nobsFree Roger Stone! 18:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
That's actually related to a question I've had for a week or so now. With the lockdown, Times Square is empty, or at least emptyish and devoid of tourists. The trains are empty. The parks are empty. What's happening with the homeless? They beg everyone that passes by for a few dollars in order to grab a bite to eat or (or, yes, drugs). That's stopped. So what are the homeless doing now? CoryUsar (talk) 21:52, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
The homeless are in serious trouble. It's a group that generally is not very well informed, doesn't pay attention to news, have underlying health conditions that place them at risk (alcoholism and drug addiction weaken immune protections), live in crowded unsanitary conditions, and generally are not very responsive to governmental directions. At the pace this virus travels, it could wipe out the homeless community before any single member was alerted or educated to the danger. nobsFree Roger Stone! 23:25, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
Ditto for jails and rest homes. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:29, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Also aircraft carriers, churches whose bibles apparently lack Matthew 18:20, and the other hundreds of thousands of inconsiderate assholes intent on gathering in public places without masks. Although the key here is that now these people -have- been alerted, they are just seriously deluded because of their steady diet of right-wing state media. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
The worst part is that when they go out, encouraged by Trump and others who confuse recklessness with freedom, and end up spreading this disease to their friends and family, they'll find some way to blame Democrats for it. Semipenultimate (talk) 16:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
You know, it's always scary standing on the precipice when you know that many people are about to die due to war, plagues, pestilence, etc. Thus far, in my estimation, most deaths in the U.S. are likely among registered Democrats, due to ignorance and blind loyalty to a Democrat-controlled fake news media. However, communists killing off their own supporters doesn't necessarily cancel out Democrat vote stealing and election fraud. It may have some impact longterm on lowering dependency on government funds, assuming pre-election welfare handouts do not continue after November.
By contrast, the Survivalist industry is booming right now. nobsFree Roger Stone! 19:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Rob, the Dems aren't Commies. I actually know Commies and Anarchists, and they laugh at the idea of a Centrist party, led by center-right politicians, being far-left. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 19:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────It's true. I've met bona fide red-blooded American Communists, though I don't actually know any personally. Even in the 'People's Republic of Berkeley', communists are largely ignored, ineffective, smirked at, and called personality cults (Revolutionary Communist Party (US)). Among each other, they are generally known as 'splitters'. Bongolian (talk) 19:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

People who advocate for the destruction of the Constitution, 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 14th Amendments, due process, free speech, justify political spying and the surveillance state, seek to criminalize political opposition, and pass laws collectivizing industry such as healthcare are communists. The modern Democrat party has a voter base of communists and a hierarchy of communists. nobsFree Roger Stone! 20:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Two points. One, the Dems don't want to do any of that. Hell, their leadership barely wants to oppose Trump. Secondly, that's not how Communism works Rob. At no point have the Dems as a party called for a stateless, classless society controlled by the workers and governed by the principle of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs". Hell, they balk at basic Social Democracy. So, um... You're wrong. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
A decade ago the Democrats passed Obamacare and "shared responsibility payments". This is communism. So is the totalitarian police state exercised against the Tea party and Trump campaign. nobsFree Roger Stone! 20:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Rob, You're like Von Mises. Everything short of forcing the poor to choose between starving to death or being slave labor is "Communism" to you. Meanwhile in reality, such labels have actual definitions and requirements... Such as there not being a State. Or class systems... Or greed... Not, you know, slapping feel good words on a glorified co-payment in a mostly privatized system where private companies make most of the decisions... ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:09, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
If you think ACA is "communism" then everything is communism. And if everything is communism.... nothing is. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 21:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Is Social Security communism too? And if it is, will you still take it? Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 21:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Social Security? in a limited sense, yes. And Communist Chinese genocidal one child policy now is faced with the problem of not enough young people to take care of an aging population.
If you read Lenin's Leftwing Communism: An Infantile Disorder, you can get insight into these issues. Communism, as exercised by the CCP and so-called "science advocates", gives political power to technocrats. The result often is the eternal threat of nuclear war or a deadly pandemic escaping from a lab.
Basically, the political Left can be defined as juveniles being exploit by elderly cynics, such as Bernie Sanders. Few "Leftists" survive into middle age. Most mature and grow up. But "Leftwing" ideology, rhetoric, programs, proposals, and thinking is juvenile. nobsFree Roger Stone! 21:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Obviously we're led by Bernie, what with him not being the nominee and all. The word you're actually looking for is 'idealistic', in that we have ideals that we want to see reflected in society. Ideals like 'businesses shouldn't be able to use their great size and power to abuse their employees or customers', a short sharp end of which you bumped into recently with your internet provider but have learned fuck-all from. This contrasts with the currant occupant's ideal, 'Everyone but me can go fuck themselves' - about as childish as you can get, very similar to the little run-away-mad tantrums he has when he gets asked a question he doesn't like. Semipenultimate (talk) 22:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
In our democratic society, we have courts of law (until the Obama regime corrupted them, witness recent developments in the Flynn case). When Xfinity screwed me over, I do not propose stealing their assets, shooting the bosses, burning down their places of business, or intimidating their customers. nobsFree Roger Stone! 22:46, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
Yeah it looks like judge Sullivan believes that the judicial branch is not subservient to the justice department. I hope Barr doesn't get hard time (heh). Ariel31459 (talk) 23:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
An immediate problem is Sullivan appointing a friend of the court with a conflict of interest after representing Sally Yates, who sat in on the conspiracy to overthrow Trump, and Andrew Weissman who violated Flynn's civil and constitutional rights. nobsFree Roger Stone! 01:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Rob, Neither of those people are Communists. Again, there is criteria for the use of that term, which you are failing to demonstrate. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:48, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Communism refers to a single party elitist and technocratic bureaucracy that seeks to outlaw political opposition and persecute people for their political views - which is exactly what Yates, Weisssmann, and Obama did. It has nothing whatsoever to do with concern for betterment of humankind. nobsFree Roger Stone! 01:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
No Rob, That's authoritarian state socialism. More specifically, the Maoist and Stalinist models, both of which promised that such a state would eventually transition into Communism. (Spoilers, they lied.) Communism, as I have pointed out repeatedly now, is a classless, stateless society where the workers control the means of production. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Communist rhetoric, such as we've heard from Stalin, Mao, Obama, Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, and Ocasio-Cortez is selling you snake oil and telling you it's cotton candy. nobsFree Roger Stone! 01:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
Rob, again, you are incorrect. Stalin and Mao were authoritarian Socialists who lied about their goals, Obama is a NeoLiberal, AOC and Sanders are both Social Democrats, and Warren is something of a hybrid between NeoLiberalism and Social Democracy. This is evident by the distinctions in their policy. And unless you are going to argue there's no difference between a Conservative and a Nazi (for example), I really fail to see how you can justify such gross mistakes in political classifications. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:12, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
C'mon now. We've had this hairsplitting discussion over goals of mass murderers and their sympathizers. You are incorrect - Bernie Sanders has emphatically denied being a Social Democrat. nobsFree Roger Stone! 16:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
I see. So all political wings are completely homogeneous, meaning that you Rob, are a Nazi. (For the record, I don't actually think you're Nazi, but that's where your evaluation leads when you refuse to use any form of sub-classification. All or none Rob.) ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 03:48, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
In reading March 2019 New Yorker article cited in WP which seems to be the source of much criticism:
furiously Googling Shen Yun on my phone, something that had never occurred to me to do before. (Why look up a figment of your own imagination?) I was seeing a lot of search results that involved the word “cult.”
Whatever one may think of Falun Gong, it's undeniable as of March 1, 2020 that the CCP harvested organs of Falun Gong practitioners, per the International China Tribunal [21] (odd, how Covid news kinda overshadowed the scheduled China Tribunal Report, huh?). So this term "cult" has been implanted to prejudice people's minds for 20 years, just as the idea "free trade" being synonymous with "democracy" was implanted in minds for the past 35 years. 2020 has been a year of Awakening for people of whatever political stripe. Much of what people thought they knew or believed, prior to Covid, has to be thrown away. And that includes myself. nobsFree Roger Stone! 04:35, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I freely confess, from 1985 on I was perfectly willing to ship jobs to China in exchange for destroying labor unions loyal to the Democratic party and cheap-ass made goods from Dollar General and Walmart. I was wrong. Dead wrong. Seriously dead wrong. My come-to-Jesus moment only came after Trump was inaugurated (note "inaugurated" not "elected") and I saw he was serious about confronting China, rather than mollifying them, pacifying them, and continue deceiving the American public about building prosperity with Chinese slave labor, which Democrats and Republicans have done for the past 20 years. nobsFree Roger Stone! 04:44, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

The only thing that ever worried me since Trump was elected was when Alan Greenspan called Trump's tariffs "insane". What does that mean? Greenspan took into consideration that the CCP might retaliate with bioweapons, and Trump didn't. It also reveals Trump and Greenspan both understood who and what America was dealing with, and what America hitched its future economic, social, and political destiny to. nobsFree Roger Stone! 05:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
IOWs, over the span of two decades, accelerated in the past 3 years and now moreso in the past three months, advocates of so-called "unregulated free trade capitalism" have totally flipped seeing how it has redounded to the benefit of Communist Chinese slave masters and human rights violators. So now we have Western leftists advocating unregulated free trade capitalism, and conservatives clamoring for global restraints on free trade and capitalism to reign-in immoral greedy communist capitalists. nobsFree Roger Stone! 21:17, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Three points. 1, the tariffs are insane because businesses pass the cost of them along to consumers, period. I can explain this simple process to you if necessary! 2, the phrase 'communist capitalists' is literal nonsense. 3, interesting how you talk abut Democrats and Republicans but never actually seem to hold the -businesses- responsible for their actions and decisions. No, you blame China for making the exploitation possible while exempting those taking immoral, unethical advantage of it from any criticism whatsoever. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:15, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
American Consumers are responsible for expanding Chines Communist slave labor. I can explain the process if necessary. Interesting how a few years ago the Left opposed free trade and the surveillance state. Now the Left, led by their Chinese Communist allies, "unregulated free trade capitalism" and the surveillance state. Hell, China doesn't have to abide by international treaties, norms, and customs. And their proxy, the World Health Organization, doesn't have to abide by its own regulations. See the Progress we've made since FDR conceived his Grand design for the U.N. and its subsidiary organizations? And use the word 'Progress' in the same sense progressives use it. nobsFree Roger Stone! 13:17, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Rob, you're so close! Seriously, you're very close to the truth. Yes, US consumer culture has fueled the PRC's rapid economic growth. This is partly due to the PRC acting as an economic honey trap and partly due to corporations being fundamentally unable to care about their workers. So rather than trying to fight US labor laws, they simply move their factories and mines and whatnot overseas to countries that will let them get away with human rights abuses. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 13:31, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Remember the maxim of late-stage American capitalism, nobs: employ as few people at the lowest wages anywhere in the world you can get them. Businesses exist to make shareholders rich, full stop. If your employer believed they could get away tomorrow with cutting your wages by 90%, they'd do it in a heartbeat. The payment of human beings for their labor is a side effect of this, not a goal. If it were possible, businesses would employ no actual humans at all, or else redefine what 'employment' is (see: Uber etc.) to fink out of any kind of responsibility re: usual and standard benefits structures. Again, the profit motive without concern for ethics or morality is what led us here. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:54, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Businesses exist to make shareholders rich, full stop.
So if greed is the sole motivating factor behind corporate law, alternatively what should a single human being do whose sole craft and training consists of being a rag-picker? In the course of a lifetime of picking rags out of the city dump, the individual invents a hydraulic lift which theoretically can be put on garbage trucks to make his job easier, not motivated by any sense of greed. How does he reap the reward for his effort to make his job easier, and as a spinoff by-product, the lives of future generations of rag-pickers? (his 'greed' evidently led to their unemployment). How does communist society intend to put a stop to this kind of social progress and greed without transferring power and assets to to itself (a clique of societal managers)? nobsFree Roger Stone! 20:27, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
Lovely how this individual creates this hydraulic lift on their own. Oh, let's say they open up a small factory in a friend's garage, building them by hand. This is a good thing! They make a quality product, but they can't make enough. So they buy a factory. This is a good thing! Then there's a downturn and they need help. Then the venture capitalists and investors 'help'. THIS IS WHERE THE BAD THING HAPPENS. Then they export the factory overseas, fire all the American employees, the quality goes to shit, and the price goes up. Businesses operating without a vested human interest in what they do - i.e. big business - is the problem since they don't give a loose shit about America yet Republicans kiss their ass. Also you are the only motherfucker here talking communism; we are in fact talking about the bus-sized holes in Capitalism right now that the unlimited-corporate-power fans got us into. Do you need me to say Communism bad, nobs? Yes, Communism bad, in the same way all government led by singular central authority without checks or balances on power are fucking rotten, can we move past your hard-on now please? Semipenultimate (talk) 15:20, 22 May 2020 (UTC)
You're missing the point on businesses, by which I assume you mean corporations, motivated by greed. In most nearly all instances, they motivated by necessity and improvements in efficiency. All with a purpose to solve a problem in society. You sound like the conspiracy theorists who say Dr. Faucci opposes hydroxychloriquine cause it's been in use for 80 years and the cost is cheap, whereas the demand for a cure (like cancer or AIDS) requires tremendous amounts of expensive research on a patent Dr. Faucci owns. nobsFree Roger Stone! 04:36, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
OK, let's address your Fauci patent lie first. Wonder where you heard it? Also, could one of you hydroxians please go conduct a SINGLE statistically-significant double-blind hydroxychloroquine experiment so you can have some facts backing up your fucking anecdotes? Or don't; you've never needed facts to assert Hillary's Death List as a factual thing, and it's not like you rely on scientific evidence to make your health choices anyway, so go nuts. Now that's out of the way, we can address your asinine assertion that corporations exist to 'solve problems'. The one problem corporations solve is the lack of money in their investors' pockets. If they can get away with providing you shit for your money, more's the better, more's the profit. 'Efficiency' does not factor in ethical or moral decisions; it was 'efficient' for corporations to export factory jobs overseas, as you have yourself stated is a bad thing; it was 'efficient' for Uber to redefine work to not include benefits or formal employment; it's 'efficient' for your ISP to throttle your bandwidth as much as they can get away with. They are not your friends. So why do you continue to not hold corporations responsible for their choices to export jobs overseas? It wasn't them, you say, it was the Efficiency that exported all those jobs overseas, aided by government! The poor corporation's hands were tied, you see? Semipenultimate (talk) 15:44, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

U.S. healthcare system succeeded, Europe's socialist system failed[edit]

The jury is still out on that one Rob. For a start The US is behind Europe and figures are recorded differently. A hero of yours once declared victory early. Do not count your chickens.--Mercian (talk) 19:16, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

Are you denying healthcare rationing and the use of death panels, particularly in Italy? nobsFree Roger Stone! 16:24, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes I am denying it, unlike American Republicans who are quite happy to sacrifice the older generation, black and poor folk so rich people do not become slightly less rich. Look at home for the death panels mate.--Mercian (talk) 16:52, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Nice response. Your're talking points are about a century out of date. We have progressed and enjoyed progressiveism since then. Did you cut and paste your divisive and hate-filled response from the DNC or the CCP, or the merger of the two? nobsFree Roger Stone! 20:13, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
I almost hesitate to ask, nobs, but what Italian death panels are you talking about and what is your source for this claim? ScepticWombat (talk) 07:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
The commie/left-leaning Snopes rates the claim Mixture; "Italy hasn't abandoned elderly patients to die. Instead, Italian health care workers, when faced with more patients than available equipment and capacity to treat them, may possibly be forced to prioritize treatment of those with the highest likelihood of surviving long-term." nobsFree Roger Stone! 00:48, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Whereas NZ, with its fully government funded healthcare and It’s no fault accident compensation plan has fully succeeded in nearly eliminating corona. AceModerator 01:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Nobs, this is a process called triage, and has been used in situations of overwhelming crisis to evaluate where limited resources should be applied. It's been practiced since the beginning of time on the battlefield, and has recently been honed via science and analysis for mass-casualty situations like earthquakes. It is possible to mis-apply triage, in the way health insurance companies do. It is one thing to triage because of limited resources that cannot meet everyone's needs, and quite another to limit resources deliberately in order to ensure a maximum of profit at a minimum of care expense. Semipenultimate (talk) 19:30, 27 May 2020 (UTC)


Ken now has a page all to himself where he bring any comments directly to me. If he is man enough of course. It's a subpage of my userpage where other users cannot barge in and revert him. AceModerator 00:27, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


So Robby, I notice Karajou and LiberalTears reverted and hid my edits and then blocked my account on CP for "incivility", which is against CP's official block policy. Are you going to do anything about this clear breach of CP community standards? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:09, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

And Karajou has changed the block log to "vandalism". I'm sure CP users have perfectly solid ground to criticize RationalWikians. Totes sure. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:18, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Saw that. Frankly, I'm powerless to intervene. It's probably a situation you have to work out with Karajou and LiberalTears yourself if you want to edit under that name. nobsFree Roger Stone! 21:10, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Using the name "Ken" in that posting probably can be considered "outing" on any wiki. It's something I prefer not to involve myself in. nobsFree Roger Stone! 21:12, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Powerless my ass Rob. I don't really give that much of fuck about your home site. I really don't. I just wanted to point out Ken's intellectual laziness. I knew going in someone on your site would break your own rules, remove my edits, and block me. I just wanted to point this out since all of you were so concerned about RW updating our rules, rules that most of users at least try to follow, vs CP's outright hypocrisy. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:34, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Also Karajou blocked my account without talkpage access. I wonder why... ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:35, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
Likely the same reason you blocked Ken's access to his own talk page: you're both bullies. 2601:249:8D80:3194:4C0C:B315:7D96:E40D (talk) 00:38, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, that's why I handled Ken with kid gloves. That's also why I waste people's time by appealing to my own authority via nonsense screeds. We are exactly the same. Oh, and that's also the reason I, who am not user Cosmikdebris, blocked Ken's account. And it's also due to my bullying, which is completely real, that I offered to undo Ken's 3.6 day block. Because we are the same. No balance fallacy here. Fucking idiot... ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:59, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Two points: (1) I've advocated a civility policy and reform of the mob in RW for a longtime; but I can't vote for RW's bowing to CCP's censorship rules and putting the maintenance of social order above public safety and health. Voting against it is a vote for the status quo and mob. How many other users share this view? (2) The CP old guard, now with the possible exception of Ken, go apeshit at the mention of RW. While it may be counterproductive, on the hand you can't blame them. And I'm not stepping in this doo doo again. nobsFree Roger Stone! 02:26, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
Very brave of you Rob, I'm sure Ken approves of your cowardliness. As for the CCP, maybe use actual proof rather than the media face of an actual cult? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:30, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

I can imagine you must be happy[edit]

The turd-in-chief granted Roger Stone clemency. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 10:35, 11 July 2020 (UTC)

The effort to keep Stone out of the 2020 election failed; Gen. Flynn ought to be the GOP keynote speaker if they can actually have a convention. Then Gen. Flynn needs to get to work in his new job in charge of putting down the Marxist BLM insurrection. nobsFree Roger Stone! 15:56, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
You've already got unmarked cars full of secret police detaining people unlawfully; sure, why not add military operations against our own citizenry and throw in re-education camps, for good measure? It's not like they're people, after all. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:06, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
This was the danger of the big government creation of Homeland Security and the Patriot Act in 2002; Obama used it to spy on and criminalize domestic political opposition, and Trump uses it to quell a domestic insurrection. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 22:13, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Key difference there is that Obama was unmasking powerful criminals in the Trump campaign caught conversing with Russian agents about their efforts to compromise the US election, and Trump is stamping on the faces of powerless people for graffiti in order to desperately try and secure votes. But hey, I'll make you a deal! Let's engage in a thought exercise! Recall the literal millions of dollars in damages caused when Cliven Bundy and co. took over the Malheur Wildlife Preserve that far exceeds Chad Wolf's litany of bullshit ('Violent anarchists trespassed on federal property and destroyed a card reader at the Justice Center', clutch m'pearls!) Prove you're not a hypocrite - just confirm you'd have taken the same law and order position and supported Obama in the event he had sent in unmarked cars full of anonymous goons in tactical gear to take out -that- heavily armed pack of violent anarchists damaging federal property. Semipenultimate (talk) 22:34, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Huh? You haven't seen the latest data dump. Even Strzok said NYT reporting about Russia contacts is bullshit. Secondly, wasn't Clive Bundy found not guilty? and didn't Obama and Comey murder a peaceful protester? nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 23:39, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Huh? You mean the armed "peaceful protester" who resisted arrest and dared police to shoot him? Ariel31459Crimes: Trump behind Barr's
So not only did Obama and Comey arrest innocent peaceful protesters who were found not guilty at trial, they murdered others, too. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 03:13, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
The trial is a red herring; I'm asking if you'd support an armed assault by unmarked federal agents due to several million in federal property being destroyed by people you sympathize with as opposed to people you hate. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:18, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
You also seem to forget how LaVoy Finicum had waited his entire life to draw down with FBI agents and even wrote a little bit of fantasia about how badass he would be when civilization all fell apart. He spoke very frequently about how he would not be taken alive. He tried, on camera, to draw down. He kept reaching for his firearm, and consequently he was shot to avoid other people being shot BY him. You should be grateful he was given time to surrender after getting out of the car; he had way more time to comply than Tamir Rice, and you're fine with what happened to him, after all. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:18, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Why did Obama and Comey send their gestapo goons out there to harass and kill innocent protesters? It was the same governor after all, Killer Kate, who asked for them that now sees no problem with rioting, looting, burning, and beating innocent civilians? Clive and Bundy's didn't do anything like that. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 19:07, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Again, LaVoy Finicum was drawing down on officers after a chase and attempted roadblock evasion. This is on video but I get that you need your martyrs in order to gin up more rage. If he was an unarmed black man shot in the back by police you'd be howling about how he should have known better. As you state, per your own beliefs, the destructive occupation of a federal structure justifies sending in armed federal agents to take out the protestors. You cannot deny the Bundys did multiple millions in damage to the reserve; it's been documented. Per your own beliefs, nobs, Obama would have been wholly justified under your exact same criteria to charge in guns blazing and disperse the wild anarchists. Deny this and lose all yada yada. Semipenultimate (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Not that he did - apart from Finicum trying to gun down federal agents, the rest of Y'all Qaeda got tired of trashing the refuge and point long rifles at cops day-in-day-out for weeks and then dispersed. Funny, yet another lesson Trump's failed to learn from his predecessor - de-escalation! Semipenultimate (talk) 22:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
You think Killer Kate can get re-elected? nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 22:27, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
No idea; a lot can happen in the two years and change before she's up for re-election in 2022, not that that has anything to do with the price of fish. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:05, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Jesus Rob...[edit]

To the halls of Conservapedia… Matthew 15:14

The day Ken makes more sense than you is the day you need to take a long hard look at yourself. AceModerator 22:11, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

It's rather sad that in the halls of the blind, Ken is the one with one eye. Like, abysmally sad. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 17:43, 1 August 2020 (UTC)


Hi RobSmith, I'd hate to come here to ask you a question, but when will CP work again? I can't access it because a "403 - Forbidden" message pops up, and I have no idea what's going on. Thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 18:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

It works fine from here. You can use to check whether a site is down or whether it's just your local issue. The evil libruls who control the innertubes may have throttled your neck of the woods. Bongolian (talk) 18:28, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
And why would that be the case? I've been a strong contributor to political entries on CP. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 18:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
That explains it. You've been pwned by the libs. Bongolian (talk) 19:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
So are you referring to the potential commie hackers who may be using DDOS attacks against CP? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 19:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
"There's a commie in the data closet…" Bongolian (talk) 19:42, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
What are you even referring to? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 19:48, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
If the site stays down, I may have to come back to RW. Seriously, I need to get a life. nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:01, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Same here. I've had a tedious load of nonsense I had to do until finally finishing right before August, and and I was hoping to head back to CP to contribute a massive amount of content; I was still able to edit despite the 500 ISEs and 504 Bad Gateways, which probably had triggered the CCP cronies and their commie hacker pals such that they just decided to outright bring down the server in some way; what I have no idea on is why it says "Access to this page is forbidden." RobSmith, does that pop-up show up for you as well? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
RobSmith, can you also try to email some of the other CP users and ask what's going on, such as whether they are blocked off from access to the site, and if so, whether it's a "403 - Forbidden" pop-up? Thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I suspect it was the Biden camp with their DNC/CCP pals; we had the inside track on Kamala Harris and they didn't want word leaking out before time. nobsBlack Guns Matter 04:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Genius analysis! And what type of pop-up showed up for you when trying to open up CP, if blocked from access? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:24, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Will Dataclarifier be alright?[edit]

Hi RobSmith, since you've been on CP far longer than I have and thus have talked with Dataclarifier there for a while, do you suppose he'll be alright? Usually when CP functions normally and I see him on there with any type of activity, I get a huge relief to know that he's at least okay enough to edit there. I'll definitely be sending prayers hoping the best for him, IndependentSkeptic, as well as his mother, though my apprehension will still remain unless CP will function properly again. Thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:41, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I think Dataclarifier hung himself on the Debate: Is the Roman Catholic doctrine of grace biblical? page pretty good. I've no need to challenge him on specific points anymore. The more he posts, the more he discredits everything he believes in. I'm probably going to just leave it at that cause readers have enough spam to dig though to understand what he's talking about. May God have mercy on his soul. nobsBlack Guns Matter 15:31, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
What do you mean that "he discredits everything he believes in"? He seems like a genius when it comes to Scripture! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
If you follow the Debate in context, when he said Romans 11:6 (But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace) contradicts itself, the whole debate on Catholic doctrine is pretty well over (it was a Perry Mason moment). As well as his "expertise" on scripture. No need to pick it apart or ask for clarification. Let the record stand. nobsBlack Guns Matter 15:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, can you please answer the question above in regards to CP pop-ups when trying to open pages? Thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I had a few Saturday night, but only 500s now. nobsBlack Guns Matter 15:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm still getting 403's. I don't quite understand; why would it say that I'm forbidden from accessing the page? I'd understand if it read "500 - Internal Server Error", but pop-ups reading "Access to this page is forbidden." more so seem as if I'm blocked by the site owner, and I exactly don't see a reason for that. Also, is it possible that Andy or some other admins locked access and provided an IP/range whitelist that doesn't include my location? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I get 403s on Microsoft Edge, but not on Firefox or Chrome. I just haven't had the time to mess with it yet. nobsBlack Guns Matter
Can you contact Andy, DavidB4, Karajou, or any other CP users about it? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 16:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Special Ops is on it. They're doing a mopping up operation at the Portland Courthouse right now. nobsBlack Guns Matter 18:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
What do you mean by "Special Ops"? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 19:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Special Ops. You know, the Black helicopters and such. nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:52, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I see. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:46, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
By the way, this is what pops up when I'm trying to open CP:
403 Error.png
LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:35, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
@LT: I'm surprised this wasn't mentioned before, but even putting aside the absurdity of the suggestion, I think we can be confident this has nothing to do with Biden or the DNC nor the CCP or whatever anyone wants to claim, it's almost definitely coming from Conservapedia. See Conservapedia#403 errors, it's something that they've been doing for at least 10 years. For a while, they seemed to decide to block anyone not in the US, I know I couldn't access it in NZ. I guess they've gotten less restrictive now, but it still looks a lot like something from Conservapedia. I would note Conservapedia, like most of the web now largely enforces HTTPS. If you visit Conservapedia via HTTPS ( it shouldn't be possible for anyone but Conservapedia to serve you content given the MITM difficulties, with very rare exceptions where someone has managed to convince a CA to issue one (and believe me, if anyone did this would be massive news) and even for that possibility you could always check the certificate yourself. So you know it has nothing to do with Biden or whatever, the 403 is coming from Conservapedia. By Conservapedia I mean whoever has the private key to their certificates and access to whatever servers they use to serve content. If they're so worried and competent, I'm sure that this should only be people they trust and definitely not Biden or the DNC or the CCP. Note that although there was a fair amount of trolling and misuse of Conservapedia in the past which may have been part of the reason for the block, it was still a stupid block. There was no real reason to 403 access to the whole site. A remotely competent site admin should have been able to kill all editing from undesirably IPs be they non American or whatever, while allowing people to still access the content. 403ing may have helped slightly with DDoS, but in reality probably not much since you still have to serve the 403. (Assuming you trust your routers not to collapse, you could serve the 403s from a different server and do other such things but then again you could also serve the content from other servers, and probably other things I can't think of. But I'm fairly sure most competent sys admins would suggest 403ing is only likely to have limited benefits with DDoS, especially doing it when there are no DDoS attempts since if it matters, any attacker is just likely to find IPs which aren't blocked. You've given them ample opportunity to find out which IPs to use before they expend resources.) Maybe more importantly, AFAIK any major DDoSing (which I disagree with even more) only happened after the 403s had already started. Nil Einne (talk) 14:25, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
I maybe should also mention that given all the above and the way Conservapedia has been run in the past, I would be hardly surprised if they decided to 403 anyone who's editing whoever in charge (is it still Schlafly?) no longer welcomes rather than just using an ordinary block and telling the person, to go away, even before any evasion was attempted. Maybe to the extent of not bothering to tell the person directly they're no longer welcome and intentionally leaving them in confusion with the sudden 403s. (And again, even with evasion they could still block the IP from editing without blocking the IP from accessing.) Nil Einne (talk) 14:30, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@Nil EinneI just tried going to CP via, and this popped up:
Another 403 Error.png
LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:41, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Nil, from what I know they use shared hosting. You usually can't IP block specific IPs on those due to a myriad of reasons. They're more likely just having uptime issues since shared hosts tend to be the subject of general DDOS attacks (which means that if someone targets another site, it takes all on the same server offline) or their MW instance is breaking since they can't run optimization with the cache on it (although I highly doubt that CP is popular enough for that to be an issue). Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 14:43, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@The Crow I think you might be right. DavidB4 said the IP address I normally use should've been unblocked, yet those errors still pop up. It could just be certain types of server errors that cause those problems. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:46, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

Breaking News![edit]

Hi RobSmith, I've got breaking news! Here's thorough proof that Epstein didn't kill himself! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Not fair. Candace Owens gives me a woody and I can't concentrate. nobsBlack Guns Matter 15:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Question about SSCI[edit]

Hi RobSmith, since you're an expert on topics related to the Deep state, what do you know about the SSCI and the specifics about the members of the select committee? I'm aware of the corruption of Burr and Warner, though what about some of the others, such as Collins, Rubio, Bennet, and Wyden? Thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Do you read CTH (Conservativetreehouse?) [22] They call the SSCI the heart of the swamp or uniparty. And there is good evidence for that.
When it was first founded as a "Watergate reform" in the 70s, and even in the 80s at the time of Iran-Contra, it consisted of 4 members, two GOP & two Dems. Now it's much larger, and the problems of FISA abuse and domestic spying seem to be an outgrowth of this expansion. This is the Committee with oversight of the NSA, CIA, and FBI cointel; this is the same Committee John Brennan hacked into their computers to thwart the Bush era Torture investigation that he was deeply involved in. Feinstein made a bit of a fuss, but Obama and Harry Reid killed the scandal. And it was at that same time, we now know from a declassified FISA court ruling, Obama and Brennan began an extensive abuse of the FISA database on domestic opponents.
There's another aspect of SSCI uniparty corruption and FISA abuse that only now is being suspected; much of this illegal domestic spying may not be political at all, but rather related to Wall Street insider trading and surveillance of corporate CEOs on merger acquisitions etc. for the benefit of the uniparty and deep state republicans and democrats.
Laws that were intended to fight terrorism, drug cartels, and foreign intelligence agencies, under Obama were applied against political opponents and journalists with no oversight from SSCI. Sen. Feinstein's public criticism Brennan, and Sen. Wyden's criticism of Clapper all has been quickly forgotten. The evidence seems to suggest both Republican and Democrat members of the SSCI have been complicit in abusing FISA authority, possibly for their own enrichment, either monetarily or for political advantage, or both. nobsBlack Guns Matter 16:04, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Thank you RobSmith! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 16:10, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
I have strong evidence to suspect who Sundance, the author of CTH, is but don't want to disclose it here. If you follow up on some of the discussions in the future I may be abele to disclose it, which sheds even further light on most of these issues. nobsBlack Guns Matter 16:16, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh, okay. This certainly all seems quite interesting... LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 16:18, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Nobs is our premier expert on everything related to the inner workings of the deep state. He's far more knowledgeable on the subject than that fool @Bongolian. Nobs even advises our esteemed President Donald J Trump I, First Citizen of the United States of America in perpetuity. Oxyaena Harass 16:32, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh what the hell; I got way more evidence than this, but
  • July 6: the roots of CTH are deep, strong and enduring... [23]
  • July 7: I’m also traveling and setting the systems in place to trigger events with or without a Barr-Durham reveal. [24]
  • July 18: BACKGROUND – Political Surveillance… [25]
  • July 27: Travel Day [26]
  • August 12: ...from Istanbul [27]
nobsBlack Guns Matter 16:39, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Right, Marco "We can say, without any hesitation, that the Committee found absolutely no evidence that then-candidate Donald Trump or his campaign colluded with the Russian government to meddle in the 2016 election" Rubio is in league with George Soros and his satanic pedo army, you betcha. You'd look at a video of Trump fucking your wife and be at pains to find any evidence of wrongdoing; a blurry photo of Obama's wedding ring or a weird word choice in a tweet, though? BAM, instant proof of massive conspiracy. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:31, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Look at the timeline. It's fairly obvious Rubio was involved in coup. Vice Chair Mark Warner tried to make contact with Christopher Steele thru Adam Waldman for the purposes of witness tampering in April 2017. That evidence did not become public until October 2017 - after Mueller's appointment, the FISA renewal, Papadopoulos arrest, and Flynn being charged. It was fairly obvious something was awry. Chairman Burr was unconcerned, was doing nothing to investigate the origins or veracity of the Steele dossier. and Rubio waved off Vice Chair Warner's witness tampering and obstruction of justice as "old news".

Now some say Rubio hasn't come to terms with Trump the way Cruz, Graham, Rand Paul, or Scot Walker have after the 2016 primaries; there may be an element of that, but we don't see Rubio's support for Trump's treatment of Cuba either which supposedly is Rubio's (like Cruz) big issue. All this points to the SSCI being run now as it was under Burr, only Rubio's hands, as of yet, are nowhere near as dirty. Little Marco can't be trusted. nobsBlack Guns Matter

Ah, thanks for the analysis on Little Marco Rubio. I'm just really curious, what about Sen. Collins? Does she play a major role in the deep corruption of the SSCI as evident with Burr and Warner? Also, did Lindsey Graham only subpoena some Deep staters a while ago because he might be facing a tougher re-election fight? He's constantly breaking with Trump on important issues and consistently lacks reliability, especially with his refusal to subpoena Obama. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Collins is chair of Joe McCarthy's old committee, the PSI, and hasn't played any role that I'm aware. I'd take the fact that' she has been notably absent among Trump's critics during the Mueller probe as a positive sign. Lindsey's another case. McCain was up to ears in the coup, in fact leading the GOP side of it (he, like Obama, Hillary, and Brennan, were deeply involved in the Libya, Syria, and ISIS fiasco. It was this series of events why the Deep State wanted to take out Gen. Michael Flynn, cause he knew captured weapons from Libya were used to arm the groups that became ISIS. That's why Americans were in Benghazi during the Benghazi massacre - they were loading ships and aircraft with captured Libyan weapons for shipment to the Turkish border to arm al Qaeda-related groups to overthrow Assad. (Using captured weapons by-passes Congressional authorization for giving American aid and more people knowing about it). Obama and Hillary's terrorist allies turned on Americans and murdered Americans. The Pentagon was out of the loop. It was a Hillary (State Dept.), Brennan (CIA), and White House (Obama) operation. When Flynn got wind of the plan, he opposed it (some of the weapons ended up in Afghanistan to kill Americans). Flynn got railroaded out, and later told candidate Trump all about it. The initial target of Russiagate was Flynn (through a plan executed by Brennan and Stefan Halper). Lindsey knows all this, and has been part of it until two events - death of McCain and the Kavanaugh smear. Out from under McCain's shadow, he's supposedly his own man now. But he's as committed to exposing the whole truth as much as he's committed to covering his own butt. Conversely, you also have to look at it through Hillary, Brennan, and Obama's perspective as well; they got the goods on Lindsey, so if they go down, he goes down, too. nobsBlack Guns Matter 03:26, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Short digression on a minor Constitutional point: the President, as Commander-in-Chief, has certain legal powers to act "with the advise and consent" of Congress. What does this mean? Most people think it means a vote of the full House and Senate. Not hardly. If the President wants to commit funding and even special operation forces in a covert action, to do it legally it must be bi-partisan under the advise and consent clause. So, just as Nixon got the advise and consent of one Democrat Senator, John Stennis, to invade Cambodia, Obama got the advise and consent from McCain and Lindsey to overthrow Ghadaffi and ship weapons to al-Qaeda (ISIS) to overthrow Assad (everyone involved, Hillary, Sidney Blumenthal, McCain, and/or their friends made money from weapons transport and sales). Lindsey's role made Obama, Brennan, and Hillary's actions legal. Lindsey had every motivation not to expose what Trump and Flynn wanted to expose, hence Lindsey went along with Mueller. Not so much to overthrow Trump, but coverup Obama's foreign policy fiascos. It cost the GOP the House in the 2018 midterms. This is the Deep State in action. Lindsey is compromised, but he's more interested, IMO, in covering his mistakes than being committed to the Uniparty now. nobsBlack Guns Matter 03:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Overall, that does make sense regarding Graham, since his recent subpoenas as chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee would make it seem like he supports Trump despite past opposition. And do you think he's facing a tough re-election bid this year? He only won his primary with two-thirds of the votes casted (when other moderate Republicans like McConnell and Cornyn had won with at least three-fourths of the vote), and is facing an establishment-backed candidate fundraising and campaigning on an overall disdain for him. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Notice Lindsey never does anything until his hand is forced (usually by Hannity). I have to look into the local South Carolina election closer, but I'd be inclined to say Trump and Lindsey will campaign for each other. And Lindsey's case is also directly related to what I posted below about Trump openly pondering pardons for Assange and Snowden. Today John Solomon raised the question how Comey killed an immunity deal with Assange in April 2017 for Assange to tell his story whether he got DNC emails from Russia or Seth Rich, which adds to the pressure. I'd listen closely for what Lindsey might say about those pardons.
If you have 36 minutes, I recommend highly listening to Attorney Barnes in the video from yesterday. Excellent, excellent presentation of what's happening with the Deep State now, and how this came about. It's worth time invested to gain the broader perspective on everything. There isn't a word or breath he utters that I'd disagree with, with some added insight.
So anyway, if Trump grants some of those pardons, the Deep State war intensifies; if he backs off before the election, there may be a truce. And I'm sure they understand if Trump looses, he'll definitely pardon Snowden and Assange on his way out the door. nobsBlack Guns Matter 04:44, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
That's certainly an interesting take on the matters. I may do some election analyses for the Senate election in South Carolina and really look into some of the polls for it. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:07, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
In addition when it comes to the swamp, what do you think about former representative Barbara Comstock? I very recently did a page creation on her on CP, and my political researching found some interesting information. So I had gotten to the subject while looking back into the 2018 U.S. House elections, particularly in Virginia where Republicans then lost three seats, and noticed Comstock to have been defeated for re-election by over 10 points, which seemed quite interesting. She represented the northern Virginia area neighboring the D.C. swamp, and won re-election in 2016 despite Trump losing the district by 10 points. While halfheartedly supportive of Trump's policies during the 115th U.S. Congress, she currently seems to be anti-Trump and pro-establishment when it comes to certain issues. Interesting enough, she's a lobbyist who joined K Street after losing in 2018. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:22, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
It's been a lot of years since I heard her name, but I'd have to look into what you've produced in CP when the site comes back up to offer an analysis. nobsBlack Guns Matter 03:40, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
I mostly added information about her voting record in the U.S. House as well as the Virginia House of Delegates using VoteSmart for references, though also some details that provides evidence suggesting her to be an establishment RINO Backer. Comstock voiced opposition to Trump in 2016, although she seemed pleased that Trump had signed a bill of hers into law in early 2017 that encouraged women to pursue STEM careers. Comstock also seemed to be one of those House Republicans in 2018 who thought that it was better to distance from Trump, which certainly wasn't a winning strategy. Now the House seat is held by freshman Democrat Jennifer Wexton, and is expected to be a safe blue hold. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
There's always a quid pro quo, if she got a bill passed, she likely had to vote for something she found otherwise distasteful. Looking at single vote or bill can lead you up a blind ally. And being a suburban D.C. district, she had a lot of voters whose jobs and funding are dependent on big government. GOP leadership would have to cut her a lot more slack than members in other districts just to hold the seat. nobsBlack Guns Matter 05:19, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, that's a good point. Virginia's 10th congressional district seems to be one of those affluent areas full of privileged leftists. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
When CP functions again (hopefully it will very soon), I intend on adding a load of information on the House Republicans who lost re-election in 2018 after distancing from Trump, notably Mike Coffman and Carlos Curbelo. Unfortunately, I can't spend an extremely large effort on that, given not too much time left until the general elections this year and massive updates and page creations needed for the Senate and House elections pages. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:13, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Right now, Trump is attempting to negotiate a truce with the Deep State. They've tried to impale him 3 times now and promise an election fiasco to make the Florida Recount look like a picnic, with all this Post Office bullshit getting highlighted this week. Trump's threatening to pardon Assange and Snowden, in addition to the unravelling coming about with Clinemith's conviction. How far do Deep Staters want to go? Does it stop with Clinesmith being the ultimate fallguy, or do Dems and the Deep State want to bet the farm the way they did with Hillary? nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:52, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Today was a big day. SSCI Director of Security James Wolfe leaked the Carter Page FISA warrant in early 2017. Wolfe most certainly leaked it on orders from his bosses, U.S. Senators. This created a separation of powers issue - investigating and prosecuting U.S. Senators. Hence Wolfe took the fall. But the purpose of the leak was undermine and remove a sitting President with false and forged information.

Mueller's appointment was not only to cover up Obama DOJ & FBI wrongdoing, the legislative branch's involvement in the coup gave Mueller added support and momentum. nobsBlack Guns Matter 02:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Assuming you haven't been murdered and replaced with a pod person working for the Deep State[edit]

Are you still worried about death squads? I'll stump for removing your name from that particular article if you so desire--Hastur! (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Well thank you, I'd appreciate that. nobsBlack Guns Matter 01:19, 31 August 2020 (UTC)
Done. Can't promise the deep state won't wack you for something else, though--Hastur! (talk) 02:50, 31 August 2020 (UTC)


Why did you say "Have you considered the possibility that the medical professionals who recommended transitioning are mentally unstable?" in the bar?--Delibirda (talk) 09:59, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Not everybody does, or should, have blind faith in alleged medical "experts". It's called "skepticism". nobsBlack Guns Matter 02:25, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
I hope you don't consult mechanics when your car is broken down. Why put trust in mechanics? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 02:28, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
Wow. As someone who identifies as female, you'd think you'd be more skeptical of mechanics than me. nobsBlack Guns Matter 02:29, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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@RobSmith Sigh. Gender dysphoria is a real issue and is quite serious.--HedvigsenSkreonk here 11:12, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
dysphoria, cute word. What does it mean? 11:34, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Opposite of euphoria. We have an article on the subject.--HedvigsenSkreonk here 12:01, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
So medical doctors treat dysphoria. Is euphoria a natural state? nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:54, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Second question: Medical science evidently treats a psychological or mental condition with knives, surgery, injections, and medication. Didn't the law make the scientific medical practice of lobotomies illegal? nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:58, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
BTW to make things clearer, Rob is insinuating I'm a trans female. I'm not. I'm cis. Also, don't entertain SmobRith, he's a showerbag. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 20:02, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Bullshit. I'm insinuating your quite naive if I you don't understand the male dominated field of auto mechanics are notorious for preying financially on female customers. And you're even more naive in comparing auto mechanics to medical doctors to promote the asinine idea that people should have blind faith in either. Read RW's mission statement, it's devoted to skepticism. How did a idiot and bigot like you ever get elected Moderator? nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:10, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Gender dysphoria, I suggest you read the page. The term is a modernization of the term "Gender identity disorder", which has fallen out of favor as it's not universally regarded as a mental illness but more as a condition. Medical doctors treat it because the near universally recommended solution by psychiatrists is to have people who suffer from it undergo HRT and optionally SRS. Think of it like getting medicine from the pharmacist, but the prescription being given by your doctor, except here you get the medicine from your doctor and the prescription from your psychiatrist. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 20:11, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Oh, I gitit. "dysphoria" sounds more studied and scientific. All hail the great god science! That 'splains it. nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:15, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
So the science says a patient tells the doctor, "Doc, I'm not happy with my gender." The Medical expert than says, "No problem. We can fix it with a knife." Is that about it? nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:16, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
What are you doing to do if your toilet starts rebelling against you --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 20:18, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Call General Sherman to put the rebs down!. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 20:20, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
In the capitalist system, I'd call a plumber; in the socialist system, I'd get on a 10 year waiting list for a plumber. nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:23, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
And LGM's next response is even better, comparing a guy schooled in the art of toilet plunging with someone holding a medical degree who thinks psychological ailments can be cured with a knife. C'mon, man. Where's your skepticism? nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:36, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I’m a commie[edit]

Hand me My Ass please. (FWIW I do not support China or the USSR so I’d avoid using those to do so). (talk) 10:50, 31 August 2020 (UTC)

Does that mean you do not support the communist regime of China, or you do not support China's efforts to elect Joe Biden and other leftwing movements and globalists to transform America into a China-style technocracy? nobsBlack Guns Matter 02:27, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
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Please drop your racist ass sig, as a favor to someone you don't like[edit]

Black people are already hugely disproportionately disarmed compared to white people. Unless your implied position is that more black people should shoot police to defend themselves, then I'm on board. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 14:12, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Are you advocating the status quo of institutional racism now? nobsI'm a fucking jackass 16:37, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
Come on, nobs. Selectively disarming black people is as institutionally racist as you can get. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:06, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
How come institutional racism only exits in cities with Democrat mayors for the past 50 years? nobsSucking Trumps dick for dollars 00:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
It absolutely exists in copious amounts in cities with democratic mayors, though "only" is utterly detached. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 01:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Okay, technically you have a point. But how many of the 25 largest cities in America have been thoroughly dominated by Democrat mayors and city councils which appoint the police chiefs, in addition to school boards which educate the children who grow up to be cops, criminals, and elected officials for the past 50 years? Is it America's problem or the Democrat's problem? Like slavery, it wasn't America that held slaves, it was Democrats. Why should America be blamed when clearly, since the founding of the Democrat party in 1828, racism has been an unbroken continuum within the Democrat party and among its voters. nobsParanoid lunatic 01:52, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Bigger cities have lower crime rates than the suburban areas and smaller cities that abound them. You should rethink what you believe causes crime. And if you're willing to acknowledge that the slave owning democrats sucked(they did), will you admit that george washington, a slave owning Independent was a bad person too? Or is that standard only good for your opponents? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 03:05, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
I fixed it. AceModerator 03:34, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I quite like Nobs' signature. He effectively adds "Hey look at me! I'm an inflammatory racist asshole!" after every comment he makes. What's not to like?Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 07:05, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Looks like that commie whimp Ben Shapiro has been intimidated into submission. [28] Oh well, even with an IQ of 160, you can't be expected to know everything at age 30. nobsI look good in a tutu 22:41, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Oh, look who came back to do an antisemitic dog whistle because Assfly couldn't get his site up. Bongolian (talk) 23:27, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Wait, CP is down? Why? Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 00:04, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
It's because Assfly is suffering from lifelong Dunning-Kruger disease, currently expressed as thinking he can maintain a computer server. Bongolian (talk) 07:27, 25 September 2020 (UTC)


Who blocked you this time? Bongolian? Oxyaena Harass 16:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Please update some things on CP[edit]

Hi RobSmith, since I can't edit on CP right now because I can't log in there for some pathetic reason, do you suppose you can update and on to some very important pages there? There's firstly the "Left-wing violence in the Trump era (2020)" page, where almost all of the details I missed can be found here. Secondly, there may be details worth noting on the "United States Senate elections, 2020" page, such as something regarding ballots in Massachusetts as well as this story about a liberal sexist attack against Sen. Ernst. Thirdly, there may be more important details to add to the "Lincoln Project" page, especially regarding John Weaver's hypocrisy as a Russian hack. Fourthly, there are updates that may need to be made on the Biden campaign regarding quid pro joe's senility, Ron Paul, the Barr/Durham-led fight against the Deep State, the Burisma report on the Biden-Ukraine scandal, Christopher Wray, mail-in voting in swing states, Sarah Palin potentially running in 2022 against Murkowski, left-wing attacks against Amy Barrett, etc. etc. Thank you! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:29, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Also, please delete the previous inappropriate revisions/edit summaries left by those racist idiot sockpuppet accounts who inserted the n-word all over the place and keep an extra eye on Special:RecentChanges on CP due to the spike in vandalism. In addition, I can't help but wonder if it has anything to do with the recent error that blocked me from being able to log on there properly... perhaps it has something to do with the Clintons'? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:35, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Forgot to mention, I just saw on the user creation log there a new account named "Stephenskollenborn". I'm 99% sure that could be a sockpuppet of Stephenkollenborn, who over the past few months created socks such as "Stephenskillo" and "Stephenmansand" and inserted gibberish on pages, such as spamming Wikipedia source codes. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:38, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Have you tried making a sock account? nobsBlack Guns Matter 05:41, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
No, because I'm generally very hesitant about breaking strict CP rules/guidelines even for certain situations like this. In addition, if I can't log in properly, I dunno if I'd be able to create an account and immediately use it. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:46, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Also, just wondering, do you have an email account? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
Hi again RobSmith, I believe I just sent you an email. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 06:03, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Ninth time is a charm[edit]

A case involving you has been raised at the Chicken Coop. Feel free to comment.

Enjoy. Bongolian (talk) 07:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Your idiot president has COVID[edit]

Guess he should have taken social distancing more seriously. I want you to admit he's an idiot. Just admit it. He's an idiot.--Hastur! (talk) 06:26, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Must be another Deep State assassination attempt. 06:37, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
What's it going to take for you to admit that Trump is an idiot? I'll start. Biden is a goober. Your turn. Just admit it, man--Hastur! (talk) 06:56, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Turmp's a bully. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 15:19, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
@Hastur Funny how the editors here treat social distancing as super-effective to combating the coronavirus, yet HCQ supposedly doesn't work solely because "orange man bad" and "this study by a group of experts said so". Very rational indeed, once again reflecting on how "RationalWiki" is totally not an oxymoron. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:29, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Take a shot! Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 16:58, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

Actually, sources say Trump's covid case is just a cover story to go on lockdown to thwart another assassination plot. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 16:41, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I heard it was as an excuse to give him time to take off his fat suit and lead a top secret SWAT team searching for paedophiles in the sewers.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 17:00, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
U.S. Marshall service has doubled the number of rescued missing children; [29] no wonder they want to impeach Trump and Barr. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 17:27, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Even the darkest cloud has a silver lining. I do not wish him well.--Mercian (talk) 19:01, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Trump is a well known germophobeWikipedia; he probably does not have as strong an immune system as most people his age who've been exposed to common viruses and bacteria. He's used his wealth to isolate himself for many years, and has never liked shaking hands until he ran for president. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 20:12, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Despite being a germophobe he has constantly played down the disease, mocked mask wearers etc to the very moment he was diagnosed. Amazing that such a germaphobe is responsible for the death of 100,000 Americans or about half the death toll as it stands. This makes him responsible for the greatest mass manslaughter in history. I could go further, as the deaths were due to his extreme recklessness and intransigence I up the mass manslaughter charge to that of felony mass murder. This it the man you support Rob and no amount of blaming the left like you do in every fucking instance hides the fact that the man you adore is a super criminal. Think about that.--Mercian (talk) 16:57, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
@Mercian According to the Woodward tapes Trump knew. He let people die to try to avoid looking "weak" in an election year. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 17:44, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
We've already moved past Trump. The question now is who will save the country from single-party socialism, Cruz or Rand Paul? nobsSmile, and be friends.. 21:25, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Cruz would be okay for the most part, though I'd prefer Sen. Paul when it comes to budget and debt, as we owe too much money to countries like China. My main criticism of Paul would be his inclination towards free trade and not being as tough-on-borders as Trump is. Also, because the latter is an anti-establishment libertarian, I'm not sure as to whether he'd be able to perform well in the primaries/caucuses due to lessened support from the neocon lobbyists and donors. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 21:52, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Cruz will not fix our debt problem the way Paul will! Rand Paul for prez 2024!!! Unclescrooge (talk) 22:12, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Among high-level elected Republicans, Paul probably resembles Trump most. Cruz is definitely more conservative and would bring back most of the NeverTrumpers. The challenge would be to consolidate the gains among Blacks and Hispanics, which would or should be priority among whoever Trump's successor would be. A failure to focus and continue this fight of dismembering the Democrat party I'd certainly view as a betrayal. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 22:17, 3 October 2020 (UTC)
Rob, you have a special place in my heart and while I'm sure this is a trying time for you, are you finally ready to admit that Donald Trump is an idiot?--Hastur! (talk) 01:24, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
He's an idiot for not invoking the Insurrection Act earlier. nobsEpstein didn't kill himself Biden didn't win 02:33, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

Oh no[edit]

Trump Covid medication was made from aborted foetus cells! AceModerator 09:09, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

I thought you were joking, but it seems the story is out there. That's a bummer for the pro-life crowd then. No treatments for them, just us science types.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 09:28, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
See, I told you. Trump is a leftwing baby killer. And you fascists are embracing that heartless conservative wannabee George W. Bush who allowed people to die with his stem cell research ban, who did it just for votes, and now wants to be cuddled by the Left as the anti-Trump. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 16:48, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Rob, what does it feel like to basically conduct your entire online life in bad faith? You're a liar, a rhetorical cheat, and a troll. Why are you like this? 2601:249:8D00:5242:69A4:3A43:3B06:379B (talk) 17:34, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
Hey, if you need diffs, I have 'em. nobsSmile, and be friends.. 19:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Mod election[edit]

You was nominated by @LT. --RWRW (talk) 01:25, 4 November 2020 (UTC)


How old are you? 60 something, 70 something? And yet you act like child. Mind explaining that? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:53, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

(A) Old enough to draw a pension check; (B) arrested development (I watched too much TV and Hollywood movies when I was younger.) nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 21:03, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
(A) Old enough to draw a pension check; (B) arrested development and (C) Completely fucking cooked in the head. AceModerator 22:20, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
8 years of cp:Obamunism did it to me. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 22:37, 4 November 2020 (UTC)
We have an article on it too Obamunism. I like to think ours is much more entertaining. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 00:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
See, this is something I'll never understand; why such a well researched hisorical document like this is hid in the Fun pages. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 00:40, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
That actually made me laugh. Thanks for that. And fuck you nobs. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 01:00, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

So while everyone was asleep, Michigan Democrats found 138,339 votes and all 138,339 votes magically went to Biden.[edit]

No Rob. No. AceModerator 00:45, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

It was a typo, per the NYT. Yah, sure, that makes sense. Nothing worth going to Civil War over. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 01:09, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
You can actually check Rob. So why do you persist in something you know to be false? AceModerator 01:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
False. False. False.. I take it you'll now update the CP home page. AceModerator 01:32, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Check it out Rob. These are the results as reported - Biden received only 15,371 so the 138,339 votes were not counted or added to his total. AceModerator 01:34, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
You'll need to change this too. AceModerator 01:36, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Whatziss? And this? nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 01:50, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't use twitter so can't view those links. But it doesn't matter because the reported total is 15,371. Not even close to 138,339 so you'll need to make some changes to the Biden Putsch section you wrote. Off you go... AceModerator 01:53, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Twitter's full of Shit anyway. It's less trustworthy than CNN or Conservapedia probably. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 01:55, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
This is an important dialogue, and I value your guys input. We don't want to set off unnecessary rage and panic. You think it's a bit early to go with this one yet on MPR: "Trump’s “secret weapon” revealed: Fourteenth Amendment allows the President to strip Electoral College votes from states supporting censorship against voters; enables mass arrests of mayors, governors and judges who support BLM"? nobsAll Hail President Que-mala
How come you are here Rob? Shouldn't you be changing the provably wrong information you've edited into the Michigan page? AceModerator 02:12, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
And don't forget the mainpage too Rob. AceModerator 02:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Don't you have any credible sources for your claims, other than the NYT, Politifake, or the Michigan Sec. of States office? nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 02:29, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
You mean like the actual vote tally? AceModerator 02:33, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
And here where the NY Times say Trump won Shiawassee County? AceModerator 02:38, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
No matter. NYT needs to retract 4 years of Trump-Russia bullshit and fire a few people before it can even be considered a reliable sourrce. 02:41, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
And how if you add up all the votes from every county it equals 5,472,595. Which is exactly what was reported. There's no extra 138,339 added Rob. So should you be changing those things on CP? AceModerator 02:43, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Rob, you're wrong even with the math. So why do you persist? AceModerator 02:44, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Breaking: Project Veritas reports Michigan USPS whistleblower details directive' from superiors to back-date late mail-in-ballots Nov 3. [30] nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 02:48, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey Rob, stay on topic. When are you going to change the provably wrong items you've added to CP? AceModerator 02:51, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Wow Ace, I'm surprised that you would go out of your way to "lecture" RobSmith for telling the truth, but not me. Thanks for that! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 02:54, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Which truth is that? There is no extra 138,339? Because there isn't. Just do the math pal. AceModerator 02:57, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Interesting. What about the numbers in Wisconsin? Can you believe that? nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 03:03, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
No Rob, what about the lies you have posted to CP? AceModerator 03:04, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh, and I'm not changing the subject. It's clear what happened. Postal carriers were told by a superior to collect election ballots after the due date, postmark and backdate by hand before the deadline, and the late ballots were carried into the processing facility at 4am while GOP poll watchers were kicked out. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 03:08, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
No Rob, You have falsely claimed on CP and extra 138,339 were added to Biden's total when the actual total is 15,371. Why aren't you changing it on CP? AceModerator 03:11, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Amy Coney Barrett's gonna have to decide this one. If you're right, we'll print a retraction (maybe). nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 03:13, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
So you're just going to continue to lie then. You know Rob, being a dishonest liar isn't a good thing. Particularly when provably wrong, people who continue with falsehoods are awful people. Like you my friend. Just a fucking liar. You may go now. But always remember - you're a dishonest piece of shit. And everyone knows it. AceModerator 03:16, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Shit, we haven't even got to Nevada yet.... nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 03:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Sorry pal, you're a fucking liar. I don't listen to liars. I did have some slight respect for you for awhile - I certainly have publicly (and privately) defended you against potential bans but your too dishonest for me to care about anymore. Just like Ken. So you can fuck off now. AceModerator 03:26, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Barrett? I'm getting somewhat concerned as to her conservative credentials, as she recently declined to participate in a Pennsylvania late ballot case. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:28, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
It'll be the same issues litigated again, only this time she'll be a little more up to speed. [31] nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 04:02, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
If RCB died a week earier, we wouldn't be in this mess. That shows how thoughtless and inconsiderate she was. Why didn't she just retire when Obama was was Pres? We all knew she had cancer then. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 04:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
She didn't retire because the senate was Republican-dominated ATT, name me someone better then her that the evil atheist-muslim-communist Obunga and the god-fearing Christians could agree upon then. Rockford the Roe (talk) 04:19, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
If she had retired in 2019 a compromise candidate could have been found. It was, after all, a GOP Senate that approved Comey and Brennan <spit>. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 04:42, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
She didn't want to retire because she knew that sume fundie loon will replace her like Kanvenaugh, "comprimise" my ass. Rockford the Roe (talk) 17:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh, and here's a good update on the SCOTUS case Trump just filed against Pennylvania. [32] nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 05:06, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Adding that to the gish-galloping count. If Hillary sued back in 2016 over her loosing, your circlejerk of a wiki would be having a field day. Rockford the Roe (talk) 17:23, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
Wait, conservatives being hypocrites? Screaming for the count to continue in states they're losing and for the count to stop where they're winning? I'm shocked, shocked! Semipenultimate (talk) 23:38, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
The only consolation here is that Trump's lawyers on this are some of the biggest clownshow fucks to ever dribble out of the university system. Semipenultimate (talk) 23:38, 5 November 2020 (UTC)

Seems like your president lost.[edit]

How are you handling it, if I may ask? Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 17:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)

Over? It's just starting. [33][34][35] nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 19:00, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
His edit history on CP-land says all Rockford the Roe (talk) 19:13, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
@Sirius As of typing this, he's your president too. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 19:43, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
@LT Since when is the US invading Europe? Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 19:50, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
My bad, I forgot you live in Europe. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 19:57, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
That's how devious we are, nobs! We managed to rig the entire election systems of multiple states currently run by Republicans but then, most cunningly, did not rig the senate to end up with a majority. We're evil enough to undermine the sanctity of the vote and make a mockery of the entire system, but not enough to give ourselves any power to actually DO ANYTHING. Semipenultimate (talk) 21:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Mockery of the system is your department, what with your open calls for electors to override majority votes. And you are proud of this - well, so long as it is Republicans doing it, of course. Hypocrites. Semipenultimate (talk) 21:28, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
There'll be no legitimate legal cases Rob. Trumpism is over and you lackeys can now scamper off. Rob, your lies, bad faith, hypocrisy and straight up dishonesty are well noted and though you will kick and scream it's over for you pal. If you were a man of character and backbone you'd spend some time looking at yourself and seeing just what kind of person Trump made you become. But I bet you want do that. Because you have no character. You are just a sad reflection of what the nation has repudiated. AceModerator 21:32, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
Oh yah? Well you forget your lackey is an agent of the People's Liberation Army. nobsAll Hail President Que-mala 23:56, 7 November 2020 (UTC)
What a poor wretched creature you are. I'll bet anything you're also alone. AceModerator 00:34, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Are you saying we're supposed to believe Faux news now? nobsEpstein didn't kill himself Biden didn't win 01:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)