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Re: Email[edit]
Take it to the coop. The mob decides; I do not. Cømяade FυzzчCαтPøтαтø (talk/stalk) 23:02, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
- Ok.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:12, 24 September 2015 (UTC)
Block v Protect[edit]
Since the beginning of time RW has preferred not to protect articles from editing 'cause it stops any BoN editing - not just the one concerned. There's enough folk here to keep reverting most things. Scream!! (talk) 13:50, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
- His IP was changing daily so I figured it'd be better than playing whackamole with his newly assigned address.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:31, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Thing you can't do....[edit]
Feed the Troll by responding to him and then vandal bin said troll beause he keeps coming back for more of what you're giving him. You want him to stop trolling you? Take the page off your watchlist and go look at that little toy monster collection you keep a list of in your user space. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 07:08, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Paravant binned him before I did and then someone unbinned him. How the fuck is anyone supposed to get anything done?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 08:03, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- Don't respond to people who piss you off. You're not going to teach them anything. Arguing on the Internet is a waste of time. Stop doing it. That'll save you a lot of time to get things done. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 08:07, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- How was this dude posting on a talkpage preventing anyone from "getting anything done"? The vandal bin is for vandals, not for people whose opinions you dislike. Stop abusing tools. Weaseloid
Methinks it is a Weasel 09:59, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- So how do you deal with annoying concern trolls like this guy—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 11:18, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- By not paying attention to them. It's really easy. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 16:27, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- So how do you deal with annoying concern trolls like this guy—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 11:18, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
- How was this dude posting on a talkpage preventing anyone from "getting anything done"? The vandal bin is for vandals, not for people whose opinions you dislike. Stop abusing tools. Weaseloid
- Don't respond to people who piss you off. You're not going to teach them anything. Arguing on the Internet is a waste of time. Stop doing it. That'll save you a lot of time to get things done. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 08:07, 11 October 2015 (UTC)
Of interest to you but not to me:-)[edit]
Dunno if you've already covered this: GAMERGATE VS THE UNITED NATIONS. Scream!! (talk) 02:32, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes this pleases us.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:43, 14 October 2015 (UTC)
An idea[edit]
An article on fuckwit Yiannopoulos is so long overdue at RW. Given your interests, I reckon you would be a fine choice as the person to start this. I truly despise this man and would start the article myself but my subject knowledge is too limited.--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 03:00, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'd rather not start it myself.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:29, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- What would an article on him need? How much could I lift from the GG article? αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 03:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Quite a lot I suspect. If we did that I would certainly add more on his hateful MRA stances and preachy self-loathing gay outlook. It's the Gamergate stuff I am totally incapable of understanding. --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 03:53, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- It would have to touch on his homophobia, transphobia, The Kernel, general hypocrisy. You know. The usual.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:31, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Quite a lot I suspect. If we did that I would certainly add more on his hateful MRA stances and preachy self-loathing gay outlook. It's the Gamergate stuff I am totally incapable of understanding. --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 03:53, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- What would an article on him need? How much could I lift from the GG article? αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 03:43, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- It's pretty popular at to do. Use the Wikipedia article as a skeleton and then describe what the actual problem with him is. Keep in mind he had a long history of crookedness and ghastliness before GG - David Gerard (talk) 18:59, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
- Idle dilettante has been doing a write up about his shit on her blog.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:39, 20 October 2015 (UTC)
Welcome back...[edit]
...among the gods (oh, and have a look at this pic, cause trololololo).--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 15:26, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
Romanji[edit]
I wrote an article on Stella Glow at simplewiki, and I'm wondering if you can tell me the game's name in Romanji? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 17:13, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Sutera Gurō but the game is "STELLA GLOW" in Japan so any Japanese text is really not needed.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 22:07, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
- Alright. --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 23:19, 19 October 2015 (UTC)
you can[edit]
never look at to many brony websites! You should try visiting a meetup sometimes, funnnn places. Not really. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 23:39, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- KINKSHAME THE HORSEFUCKERS—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:45, 22 October 2015 (UTC)
- I liked you before tonight, mostly, but man, making a hitpiece to kinkshame people, denounce an entire fandom as horrible and then deciding "WE MUST DELETE AN ARTICLE" because your shitty version was reverted, while making personal attacks at people? No. Fuck you, no more support for you. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 02:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe we can make up if you finish rewriting the page and unprotecting it. Because my intentsions were to include criticism (if harsh) of the fandom because the page was lacking in that and focusing only on how much the show covered missional subjects once. It's just ridiculous that there has been such a big deal over this. Finish your rewrite of the page so it can be unlocked.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:34, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- No, because your harsh criticism and snark involves such things as the inability for the fandom to at all feel persecution because "lol nobody ever gets put down for liking things manly men shouldn't like" --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 02:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- There's valid criticism in how "coming out of the stable" is being treated the same as "coming out of the closet". Liking a cartoon about horses is not the same as coming out as gay. Don't "not all bronies" me on this shit either because a good portion of the fandom is straight guys who don't face persecution.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:38, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- It isn't, but do you really claim, that more or less everyone is OK with men liking stuff (be it cartoons, forms of sport, music and other stuff) which is considered "girly"??--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 02:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- It's not the same magnitude.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:45, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- What of it? Is it now about who wins the persecution championship?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 02:57, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Straight guys saying they like a cartoon for little girls is not the same as saying you're gay/bi/trans.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:01, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- No, it isn't, but declaring that they don't get socially outcasted for it and thus it's "not that bad and isn't coming out at all" is Stupid of you. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:03, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Stop restoring your preferred version of the page with out of date information and formatting errors.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I actually clicked revert on accident, all i wanted to do was a different plot anal section and put the quote back in, but please be a victim more. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- You're fully protecting a page because you didn't like what I had to say about your fandom.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- More because you were slandering the fuck out of a fandom be be a bunch if horse fucking child diddlers whom shot the disabled for fun while whining about persecution they never ever felt because "lol kids show its their fault nobody likes em" ---"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:19, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Unlock the page. Add back the content concerning criticism of "Derpy Hooves" and how people perceived it as ableist. Add back the content concerning the "Ask Princess Molestia" blog. Maybe add back the content concerning that fan character made by the kid with SMA. Or not. That one is weak. That's all I am requesting. Also to maybe cut back on the defensiveness of the fandom.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Because nobody is attacking the fandom because they like a kids show for little girls, nope, in Ryu land criticism only stems from how the fandom is and nobody feels bad about liking a little girls show, nobody is a creep, nobody is instatly wanting to get in a little girls dress, nope. Not in ryu land--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:25, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- People do not dislike Bronies because they like a show originally for little girls. People dislike Bronies because of the defensive behavior exhibited by them because they've decided to like a show originally for little girls. I presently do not wish to add content to that regard to the page. Just the content concerning Molestia and Derpy that I had contributed previously, although perhaps not to the extent it was before.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- ahahahaha god you really have no idea do you? I never got defensive when i came out, i just took it from people who'd never heard of Bronys. It was a lot like when i came out to everybody but my family as being bi, just with a different word as the reason. When i did a poll as part of the leadup to a speech about bronys, one comment from somebody who had never heard of bronys before was "creepy, shouldn't like a little kids show". Had nothing to do with the fandom, the basic premise was the issue. But please, continue to tell me why my own life experience must be a lie you little shit.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:30, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- People do not dislike Bronies because they like a show originally for little girls. People dislike Bronies because of the defensive behavior exhibited by them because they've decided to like a show originally for little girls. I presently do not wish to add content to that regard to the page. Just the content concerning Molestia and Derpy that I had contributed previously, although perhaps not to the extent it was before.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Because nobody is attacking the fandom because they like a kids show for little girls, nope, in Ryu land criticism only stems from how the fandom is and nobody feels bad about liking a little girls show, nobody is a creep, nobody is instatly wanting to get in a little girls dress, nope. Not in ryu land--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:25, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Unlock the page. Add back the content concerning criticism of "Derpy Hooves" and how people perceived it as ableist. Add back the content concerning the "Ask Princess Molestia" blog. Maybe add back the content concerning that fan character made by the kid with SMA. Or not. That one is weak. That's all I am requesting. Also to maybe cut back on the defensiveness of the fandom.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:23, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- More because you were slandering the fuck out of a fandom be be a bunch if horse fucking child diddlers whom shot the disabled for fun while whining about persecution they never ever felt because "lol kids show its their fault nobody likes em" ---"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:19, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- You're fully protecting a page because you didn't like what I had to say about your fandom.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I actually clicked revert on accident, all i wanted to do was a different plot anal section and put the quote back in, but please be a victim more. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:10, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Stop restoring your preferred version of the page with out of date information and formatting errors.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- No, it isn't, but declaring that they don't get socially outcasted for it and thus it's "not that bad and isn't coming out at all" is Stupid of you. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:03, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Straight guys saying they like a cartoon for little girls is not the same as saying you're gay/bi/trans.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:01, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- What of it? Is it now about who wins the persecution championship?--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 02:57, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- It's not the same magnitude.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:45, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- It isn't, but do you really claim, that more or less everyone is OK with men liking stuff (be it cartoons, forms of sport, music and other stuff) which is considered "girly"??--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ ∈)☼(∋ 02:41, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- There's valid criticism in how "coming out of the stable" is being treated the same as "coming out of the closet". Liking a cartoon about horses is not the same as coming out as gay. Don't "not all bronies" me on this shit either because a good portion of the fandom is straight guys who don't face persecution.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:38, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- No, because your harsh criticism and snark involves such things as the inability for the fandom to at all feel persecution because "lol nobody ever gets put down for liking things manly men shouldn't like" --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 02:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Maybe we can make up if you finish rewriting the page and unprotecting it. Because my intentsions were to include criticism (if harsh) of the fandom because the page was lacking in that and focusing only on how much the show covered missional subjects once. It's just ridiculous that there has been such a big deal over this. Finish your rewrite of the page so it can be unlocked.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:34, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I liked you before tonight, mostly, but man, making a hitpiece to kinkshame people, denounce an entire fandom as horrible and then deciding "WE MUST DELETE AN ARTICLE" because your shitty version was reverted, while making personal attacks at people? No. Fuck you, no more support for you. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 02:28, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
I'm not aware of the trials and tribulations of Bronydom but I know that most of the ire is from subsequent behavior and not liking a cartoon for girls.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:34, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- People do all kinds of mental gymnastics do justify their bigotry Para, I think you are wasting your time. Tielec01 (talk) 03:35, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Mocking a fandom isn't bigotry. It's fursecution at best.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ryulong, do you know why LGB and T used to be close allies? Do you know why crossdressers used to be accepted under the trans umbrella, even uniting under joint organizations? Hint: There's a general trend here, can you spot it? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 03:42, 23 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Well that doesn't explain why drag performers are so loathed by the transgender/non-binary community.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Do note my use of "used to". To put things a bit simplified; the exotic, extravagant crossdressers (both gay and straight) got to hitch the ride with the general gay liberation movement. Meanwhile all the other crossdressers were pushed into obscurity, being reduced to comedic jokes and creepy freaks in the eyes of society. The trilemma of the transgender then was to go either fully transsexual, to gain the societal normalcy of a cis person (provided they could pass properly), to go the route of the drag queen, or to 'cross'dress in the same obscurity and with the same danger of societal mockery/condemnation as cis non-drag crossdressers. In the struggle to be acknowledged and accepted by general society, in whatever fashion is most pragmatic at the time, tensions can understandably run quite high. But the common thread here is the repressively sexually normative society we live in. The feelings that underly, respectively, wanting to live and be accepted as a woman, enjoying playing dress-up, and getting off from girly ponies might differ massively, but may still all look the same to an ignorant, bigotted society. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 04:31, 23 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Well that doesn't explain why drag performers are so loathed by the transgender/non-binary community.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ryulong, do you know why LGB and T used to be close allies? Do you know why crossdressers used to be accepted under the trans umbrella, even uniting under joint organizations? Hint: There's a general trend here, can you spot it? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 03:42, 23 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Mocking a fandom isn't bigotry. It's fursecution at best.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Which leads to my next question: why is mocking fandom's within our scope? This is not ED. |₹Λ¥$€₦₦
Flipping out the buttered fuck crumpets 03:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- My intention was not mocking but rather showing how aspects are conservative and vulgar libertarian.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- By only showing the parts you dislike and not giving any mention of the positive aspects? right, much interest in good coverage i see. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- What are these positive aspects other than one episode having original criticism on this website for not being rational?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:42, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- That you believe the Brony fandom consists solely of people from 4chan wanting to fuck ponies while also diddling a child, all while shooting the disabled and whining about how they are being persecuted says exactly why you don't deserve to write an article about MLP, let alone the brony fandom. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- No I believe that clopping is fucked up when the horse girls aren't over 18 (afaik) and how the same 4chan assholes regularly attack people with mental illness may have been a factor in the naming of "Derpy Hooves". You're reading too much into this.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I see us needing a hit piece that acts like the only thing to be said about MLP is how a part of its fandom are not good people because of two assumptions with no sourcing, great. Oh, and how you beleive, and are looking into things, that because it originated on 4chan the fandom must be very 4channey with no possible evolution as it expanded far far outside 4chan and horizontally across the entire internet and fandom scene. Fuck off.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:51, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- center|frameless|800px—Ryūlóng (琉竜)
- Whelp, you heard it here folks, we need an article on every fandom who has people who use its imagery to support bad causes. Lead the way Ryu, time to deliver hit pieces against the power puff girls because theres some racist fuckers who used buttercup like hitler. --05:01, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- center|frameless|800px—Ryūlóng (琉竜)
- I see us needing a hit piece that acts like the only thing to be said about MLP is how a part of its fandom are not good people because of two assumptions with no sourcing, great. Oh, and how you beleive, and are looking into things, that because it originated on 4chan the fandom must be very 4channey with no possible evolution as it expanded far far outside 4chan and horizontally across the entire internet and fandom scene. Fuck off.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:51, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- No I believe that clopping is fucked up when the horse girls aren't over 18 (afaik) and how the same 4chan assholes regularly attack people with mental illness may have been a factor in the naming of "Derpy Hooves". You're reading too much into this.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- That you believe the Brony fandom consists solely of people from 4chan wanting to fuck ponies while also diddling a child, all while shooting the disabled and whining about how they are being persecuted says exactly why you don't deserve to write an article about MLP, let alone the brony fandom. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- What are these positive aspects other than one episode having original criticism on this website for not being rational?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:42, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- By only showing the parts you dislike and not giving any mention of the positive aspects? right, much interest in good coverage i see. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- My intention was not mocking but rather showing how aspects are conservative and vulgar libertarian.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Which leads to my next question: why is mocking fandom's within our scope? This is not ED. |₹Λ¥$€₦₦
- Please, again, explain why my own experiences must be lies, because I've not been attacked for liking the show but because people who'd never heard of the fandom instantly knew i'd become super defensive and thus i needed to be criticized for it. please, tell me where my memory is wrong or get the fuck out, because you really aren't qualified. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:36, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Are you really accusing me of gaslighting you because I don't think coming out of the stable is as serious as coming out of the closet?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Well, i mean, as far as you've said people don't think im a creep because i like the show but because the fandom is weird. Even those who've never heard of it before me!. Clearly I must be wrong in my memory because you, who knows nothing but what you've decided must be true, say so.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:39, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ire towards Bronies online is as far as I'm aware in response to the gatekeeping and defensive behavior Bronies have pulled with regards to their enjoyment of this one show. As far as I'm aware, this is only the remnants of aspects of the fandom originating on 4chan. Like with the ire towards people they perceive as responsible for censorship of the series or its fandom. I am only speaking from my experience in observing this. I will accept being wrong on this, but I haven't really seen much evidence to the contrary coming forward tonight.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:45, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Because Real life doesn't exist, just the world of the internet and those who know 4chan in ryuland--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm reminded of my Opa telling me that he wouldn't mind gays if they didn't shove your face in it. Your arguments here are laughable Ryulong. Tielec01 (talk) 03:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that as a gay man who is still in the closet that I'm not allowed to think that part of Brony culture is appropriative of my own fucking sexuality.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- As a fellow closeted LGBT, i'm sorry I don't consider it appropriative ? But please make this about you being a victim here Ryu.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:55, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Well don't accuse me of "Bronyphobia" because I got rid of large portions of the page.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:58, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- This is all so weird. I don't grok what Ryo so dislikes about Bronies. On the other hand, "coming out" as a fan of MLP and part of that entertainment cohort is just fucking not on the same plane as "coming out" as LGBT. Do teen Bronies commit suicide in horrific numbers? Are Brony lives destroyed by anti-Brony laws and shunning by friends and family, loss of job, and all that? Do people marry and discover their spouse is actually a Brony which means they can't really love you as you deserve to be loved? I mean, Brony/LGBT is just not an acceptable comparison.---Mona- (talk) 03:53, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone claimed the level of persecution is the same. After all, how could it be, when bronyism is a much more obscure phenomenon? But does that mean "coming out of the stable" needs to be seen as demeaning towards gays? Not all genocides were as bad as the Holocaust, but that doesn't mean calling them genocides should be offensive towards Holocaust survivors, right? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 04:55, 23 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- As a fellow closeted LGBT, i'm sorry I don't consider it appropriative ? But please make this about you being a victim here Ryu.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:55, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm sorry that as a gay man who is still in the closet that I'm not allowed to think that part of Brony culture is appropriative of my own fucking sexuality.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:52, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm reminded of my Opa telling me that he wouldn't mind gays if they didn't shove your face in it. Your arguments here are laughable Ryulong. Tielec01 (talk) 03:49, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Because Real life doesn't exist, just the world of the internet and those who know 4chan in ryuland--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:47, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ire towards Bronies online is as far as I'm aware in response to the gatekeeping and defensive behavior Bronies have pulled with regards to their enjoyment of this one show. As far as I'm aware, this is only the remnants of aspects of the fandom originating on 4chan. Like with the ire towards people they perceive as responsible for censorship of the series or its fandom. I am only speaking from my experience in observing this. I will accept being wrong on this, but I haven't really seen much evidence to the contrary coming forward tonight.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:45, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Well, i mean, as far as you've said people don't think im a creep because i like the show but because the fandom is weird. Even those who've never heard of it before me!. Clearly I must be wrong in my memory because you, who knows nothing but what you've decided must be true, say so.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:39, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
- Are you really accusing me of gaslighting you because I don't think coming out of the stable is as serious as coming out of the closet?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 03:37, 23 October 2015 (UTC)
Don't keep reverting stuff[edit]
If there's a discussion about it, discuss. Carpetsmoker (talk) 07:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- The discussion is weak and you're only obsessing over it because I uploaded it.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:44, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- Not an argument. Carpetsmoker (talk) 07:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- The fact that you're insisting on ensuring the fair use rules are in place for this image when no one else bothers is telling.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:50, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- Not an argument. Carpetsmoker (talk) 07:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Oh, and don't remove other people's votes from AfD[edit]
Just so not cool dude Carpetsmoker (talk) 07:42, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- It was trolling plain and simple.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:44, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- You're not allowed to dismiss opinions you don't agree with like that. Thing is, you've accused everyone here of all sorts of things, used an expletive in pretty much every message you've posted. Then someone returns the favour and it's trolling? Oh no, that's not how it works. Carpetsmoker (talk) 07:48, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Don't abuse your sysop powers and block users that don't agree with you[edit]
This was entirely unwarranted and a blatant abuse of your sysop powers. And don't give me any of that "but he's a troll" nonsense; anyone who sufficiently disagrees with you is a "troll". Carpetsmoker (talk) 11:10, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- Update: So, in the meanwhile I've had the chance to actually read through your talk page archives. You've been told on a large number of occasions that we do not block people for disagreeing. How is it that you have such a hard time understanding this very simple rule? Carpetsmoker (talk) 16:57, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- Have you read some of CaptainCaptain's rants? "Not all men are happy, therefore the patriarchy works in mysterious ways! Angela Merkel exists, therefore the patriarchy is imaginary! Oooo." >.> 142.124.55.236 (talk) 16:58, 24 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Yeah, I made sure to read through them. It's nonsense, so? We don't block the occasional creationist/anti-vaxxer/etc. that show up to argue their points (sometimes ad nauseam). Carpetsmoker (talk) 17:02, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- We don't? And really, Ryu's blocks were of negligible length. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 17:26, 24 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Hmm. I guess I need to scrap pretty much everything AgingHipie told me. Lotsa people do not follow what he insisted was The Only Way.---Mona- (talk) 17:33, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- What else could anyone expect in a mobocracy? Cum grano salis comes from an Italian saying, "to have salt in one's pumpkin" (or noggin, or what my mom used to call the sconce) meaning "to have some intelligence." So, "with a grain of salt" means not to take something literally, but use one's own good judgement. Having said that, I don't think Aging Hippie is in the business of giving out bad advice. Also, the editor in 142's link was a special case. Short-bus hockey-helmet special. SmartFeller (talk) 17:41, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- Hmm. I guess I need to scrap pretty much everything AgingHipie told me. Lotsa people do not follow what he insisted was The Only Way.---Mona- (talk) 17:33, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, I made sure to read through them. It's nonsense, so? We don't block the occasional creationist/anti-vaxxer/etc. that show up to argue their points (sometimes ad nauseam). Carpetsmoker (talk) 17:02, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- Have you read some of CaptainCaptain's rants? "Not all men are happy, therefore the patriarchy works in mysterious ways! Angela Merkel exists, therefore the patriarchy is imaginary! Oooo." >.> 142.124.55.236 (talk) 16:58, 24 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- (Re: 142): I don't know LogicMaster777's history/timeline, but a quick glance at his contributions, it seems to me it doesn't really compare to this user in magnitude. There are certainly limits, but here we're talking about a single discussion on a single talk page and a forum page...
- You're right, it was only for a few minutes, but I don't think that means it's okay. Ryulong blocked me 3 times yesterday, the first time I lost a bunch of edits because I didn't realize and closed the tab, and the 2nd/3rd time I had to find a unblock page somewhere and was just freakin' annoying. Carpetsmoker (talk) 18:03, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
Okay, so, a question[edit]
Could you explain to me how bronies coming up with their own variation on 'coming out of the closet' is something horrible? It's not like they're claiming the terminology for themselves à la Native American imagery etc. re:Redskins football team. Why can't new emerging groups of societal outcasts let themselves be inspired by the gay liberation struggle? No one claims bronies are as ostracized as gay people; why should that be a requirement to begin with? On a somewhat related tangent, what's your opinion on the X-men franchise sometimes blatantly ripping off typical gay phrases? (See: some of the recent movies.) 142.124.55.236 (talk) 15:55, 24 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- I don't have a problem with it unless they don't carry on is if they are as oppressed as gays have been historically, and as some still are, even in the West in certain religious enclaves.---Mona- (talk) 17:10, 24 October 2015 (UTC)
- It'd be completely ridiculous if they did that to the point that it's a strawman not worth bringing up. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 17:21, 24 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Please reply, Ryu. Have I not been reasonable with you so far? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 00:07, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Liking a cartoon is not the same as being LGBT.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:34, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, it's not the same. Your point being? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 00:41, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Because Bronies treat it the same despite being predominatly straight white guys.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:42, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- No they don't? What are you basing that on? Just the 'coming out of the stable' thing? And what's this about straight white guys? Are you saying straight white males can't get any crap from a repressively normative society? Because some might
disagree. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 00:52, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- I'm basing it on the fact that the phrase "coming out of the stable" even exists. And the issues with Bronies is not gender normativity but asshole behavior by them towards real marginalized voices.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:08, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- That's all you're basing that on? Really? >.< 142.124.55.236 (talk) 01:15, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- It's appropriative garbage. Saying you like a cartoon should not have a phrase for it akin to revealing to people that you're LGBT.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:16, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- as a lgbt fellow I don't consider it appropriative garbage. And your right it shouldn't but then again our society vshould not be a fender conforming society either--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 01:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Well I consider it appropriative and so do a whole lot of other LGBT folks.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:28, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Ryo, what significant LGBT voices have criticized the "coming out of the stable" phrase? I mean, it's kinda amusing if the, uh, stable isn't meant as seriously as the closet was/is.---Mona- (talk) 01:27, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- I don't think LGBT organization has ever actually condemned the phrase. And they totally intend it to be as serious. Why else come up with a phrase for it? Why else do all the Brony documentaries spend time on the anxiety these men feel when they tell their mother and father that they like watching a cartoon?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:28, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- as a lgbt fellow I don't consider it appropriative garbage. And your right it shouldn't but then again our society vshould not be a fender conforming society either--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 01:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Even if it is, if appropriating this one phrase is all you've got, that's not exactly enough material to condemn a whole group as blatantly gay-unfriendly. For example: I've seen some immigrant-friendly groups in my country inadvertently commit some cultural appropriation. On the other hand, you'd be hard-pressed to find any non-immigrant-friendly people willing to walk around in a foreign culture's clothes. Now guess which of the two are considered as bigots by the immigrants... 142.124.55.236 (talk) 01:36, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- You keep comparing Brony ire with fucking reactionary bigotry and that keeps pissing me off. If that's your counter argument I'm done talking to you on this shit.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- You think xenophobia is limited to right-wingers? Oh please, Ryu, don't make me laugh. I'm not in the mood for cynical laughter right now. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 01:44, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- You keep comparing Brony ire with fucking reactionary bigotry and that keeps pissing me off. If that's your counter argument I'm done talking to you on this shit.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:40, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- It's appropriative garbage. Saying you like a cartoon should not have a phrase for it akin to revealing to people that you're LGBT.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:16, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- That's all you're basing that on? Really? >.< 142.124.55.236 (talk) 01:15, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- I'm basing it on the fact that the phrase "coming out of the stable" even exists. And the issues with Bronies is not gender normativity but asshole behavior by them towards real marginalized voices.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:08, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- No they don't? What are you basing that on? Just the 'coming out of the stable' thing? And what's this about straight white guys? Are you saying straight white males can't get any crap from a repressively normative society? Because some might
- Because Bronies treat it the same despite being predominatly straight white guys.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:42, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Yes, it's not the same. Your point being? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 00:41, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Liking a cartoon is not the same as being LGBT.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:34, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
If the LGBT groups don't care, I don't either. And I do see why it would be hard for adult men to tell their families they love a cartoon called My fucking Little Pony. Jesus, if my adult son told me that I'd be gobsmacked,-- but I would hear him out. As long as they don't actually think their plight is akin to the severe, life-destroying harm caused by homophobia, who cares about "come out of the stable?" It's funny.---Mona- (talk) 01:34, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- GLAAD and PFLAG aren't going to come out and say "Bronies using 'Coming out of the stable' is appropriative". And the point is they do think that their plight is akin to the severe, life-destroying harm caused by homophobia.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- [citation needed] 142.124.55.236 (talk) 01:39, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Also, as I've already made note of before, I don't intend my analogies to be super-accurate comparisons of super-similar phenomena, I only want to get a general point across. A point which you seem intent on missing, it seems, though. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 01:48, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
I'm going ti ask this again[edit]
If bronys are only hated for their fandom and not for being gender non-conforming, how do you explain mlp fans getting shat on by people who've never heard of bronys and thus don't know that all bronys are horse fucking pedophiles? --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 00:02, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- All ire towards Bronies nowadays is because of this defensive fucking behavior you're displaying when people criticize shit like "clop".—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:34, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Argument by assertion much? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 00:52, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- It's empirical evidence.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:08, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm willinf to bet that the vast majority of people hating mlp fans know nothing of the actual fandom and base it solely on the fact they aare gender nonconforming and that vis unacceptable to them. But please continue thinking most oeople are as in the know as you. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 01:16, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- That's not the criticism I've been putting forward so stop going #NotAllBronies.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- your criticism is "most hate bronys get is because of the fandom" and I can say with almost pure certainty that most people who find bronys creepy know almost nothing of the fandom besides "guys lking mlp" and maybe the existence of clop. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 01:20, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- My ire is is because of the fandom and that's all I plan on saying.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:24, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- your criticism is "most hate bronys get is because of the fandom" and I can say with almost pure certainty that most people who find bronys creepy know almost nothing of the fandom besides "guys lking mlp" and maybe the existence of clop. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 01:20, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- by making sure we know all bronys are 4channing underage horse fuckers. Got it.--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 01
- 37, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- That's not the criticism I've been putting forward so stop going #NotAllBronies.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:18, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- You do talk like you know everything about this issue, yet you've explicitly said elsewhere that you don't wanna scour through brony material for sources, implicitly acknowledging that you don't know everything about it at all. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 01:22, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- I have a tag on my blog going back 2 years documenting shit behavior by Bronies. I went through it partly when rewriing the page the other day but I don't want to have to trudge through 17 pages of content only to find someone deleted their blog a year ago and the original posting is gone as I discovered when trying to source the fact that the Make A Wish OC porn was being handwaved.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:24, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- If you don't have sourcing, why should anyone care what you say? And again, it's fucking irrelevant if, in your view, bronies react too defensively to criticism. So the fuck what?---Mona- (talk) 01:30, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Have fun reading.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:36, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- If you don't have sourcing, why should anyone care what you say? And again, it's fucking irrelevant if, in your view, bronies react too defensively to criticism. So the fuck what?---Mona- (talk) 01:30, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- I have a tag on my blog going back 2 years documenting shit behavior by Bronies. I went through it partly when rewriing the page the other day but I don't want to have to trudge through 17 pages of content only to find someone deleted their blog a year ago and the original posting is gone as I discovered when trying to source the fact that the Make A Wish OC porn was being handwaved.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:24, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm willinf to bet that the vast majority of people hating mlp fans know nothing of the actual fandom and base it solely on the fact they aare gender nonconforming and that vis unacceptable to them. But please continue thinking most oeople are as in the know as you. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 01:16, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- It's empirical evidence.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:08, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Argument by assertion much? 142.124.55.236 (talk) 00:52, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
My eyes, they burn[edit]
So... I read your link about the bronies. Could only read 3 lines before my brain started to strangle itself. "Women should enjoy rape", WTF?! CorruptUser (talk) 02:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm starting to wonder whether Ryu thinks about bronies the way he does because he's seen a lot of internet trolls with MLP avatars say crazy shit... 142.124.55.236 (talk) 02:13, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Are you claiming false flags—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:21, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- Not so much false flags as internet trolls being internet trolls. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 02:23, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- @142․124․55․236 @CorruptUser Meow you understand. Welcome to Gamergate. Sarah (HH) 01:31, 26 October 2015 (UTC)
- Not so much false flags as internet trolls being internet trolls. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 02:23, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- Are you claiming false flags—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:21, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
Sysop lock[edit]
Sysop locking your talk page because you don't like being called out is not acceptable use of sysop tools (in particular when i think only one non-sysop is doing so, so you just look foolish), nor is "I'm tired of talking to you."--"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 03:58, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- I am physically ill and I don't want to have fifty billion emails for a few hours. Is that okay?—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 04:01, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm sorry to hear that. If it's the emails that's the problem, though, a few clicks at Special:Preferences can solve that. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 04:05, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)
- So don't look at them and silence your phone and other decides which notify you of them. You getting email spammed is not a justifiable reason when you can fix that issue yourself, not break our rules. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:06, 25 October 2015 (UTC)
- I'm sorry to hear that. If it's the emails that's the problem, though, a few clicks at Special:Preferences can solve that. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 04:05, 25 October 42015 AQD (UTC)