User talk:SHahB/Archive1

GODLESSLIBERAL
pwns all u n00bz

Staple pWNS Bohdan mobocracy rulz see what I mean?

This user is not going to be very active here, and might not respond immediately to your inquiries, though its not like you would really want anything from him anyway.

You will be missed, do hurry back!
human^{be in} 02:29, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Welcome

With open arms! Whats your drink of choice? 24.141.169.255 22:15, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Welcome to the Dark Side!--PalMD^-Talk 22:22, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Hi, and welcome to RationalWiki. You will most likely remember me. -Icewedge 22:28, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Hey!

I was just going to invite you! --Linus^{(Plot evil tech)} 22:18, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Oh, and yes, you are welcome. --Linus^{(Plot evil tech)} 03:19, 24 May 2007

Bohdan!

Hey, sorry for the confusion I may have caused you! I was just saying hello. I had previously told you I'd see you around, so I was just living up to my word. I never congragulated you on becoming a Sysop over there, so congrats! Nice to see you here. GodlessLiberal 22:25, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Bohdan, I registerd on CP for the first time in a looooooooong time, as Hello, but Niandra blocked me before I got around to saying hello to you... she's quick! GodlessLiberal 14:56, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

What are we?

What this wiki will become is not clear. Many of us who came here have different ideas, but many of us share this basic set of ideas.--PalMD^-Talk 22:31, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Ignore him them, he's a they're blogspammers! human^{be in} 23:59, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Welcome Wagon

Hi Bohdan, I never got to congratulate you in public on your promotion to sysop at CP. So I just did. And Welcome to the Dollhouse, and hope you have fun here. Thanks for dropping by! human^{be in} 22:50, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Hangings too good fer 'em

Er ah, I mean, "hang around awhile and find out how evil we really are!" ~~ Cracker 23:02, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Yes, congratulations on your promotions from one of your early bans! You will find this place to be a lot more.....fun.....than CP.Etaroced 23:06, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Hey, aren't you one of those darned socks?DocSock 23:07, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Speaking of which one o' mine got blocked for having made good edits...just like the last one. hmmm ~~ Cracker 23:08, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

I am a dirty stinkin' sock! And Bohdan, I was just being light hearted. I took no offense to the block in the least. Most of us like you, believe it or not! Etaroced 23:12, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Thats good, I have nothing against any of you. I am more concerned about editing non-controversial articles on CP.Bohdan 23:15, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

The controversy is what was fun! You can only edit so many articles about obscure 19th century pottery before you need a fix of of TOE conflict. Maybe a 6 month ban from Conservative for posting facts or something.....Tmtoulouse 23:20, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Pizza

We have pizza here, too! I forgot to mention that on my talk page. Have a slice! human^{be in} 23:15, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

I see you are enjoying our [fun|pizza] very much. Don't worry, there's always more where that came from! human^{be in} 01:59, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Hello...some answers

Thanks, I know I was a good contributor--not perfect, but good. I left in part because the current effort is for quantity not quality. A simple difference of opinion in strategy. I also left because my time is too valuable to be spent chasing carrots (sysopships) amidst paranoid whispers that I was not what I claimed to be. Since I left, I have come to learn or realize other problems:

1. Andy called a work of fiction full of lies, and mischaracterized my edit (I wrote "artistic license" he wrote "poetic licencse"). While the the general point that Inherit the Wind has been abused by others can be made (and was made well--and colorfully--by Ann Coulter in Godless: The Church of Liberalism), Andy's edits are just silly, in my opinion.
2. Also, while the evolutionary related articles at WP do misrepresent the compound theory of evolution, the article on the theory of evolution at CP is so far from being credible, that it is just goofy. The people gaurding that article at CP are at least as bad, if not worse, than the cabal at WP. I actually support the home school movement, but I do feel very very sorry for any homeschool victims students affiliated with CP. (My wife and I home school my children, after one of them gets home from private religious school, where I send him to gain social skills--my daughter is only three, so we don't send her to school yet, just home school).
3. RobS's attacks on the Constitution party, a truly conservative and patriotic party, are just insane. And to make the attack, he uses source material from an organization who has at least one member who has attacked RobS on WP, if I understand his user page on this site. Truly insane. RobS is acting like a manchurian candidate or perhaps Patty Hearst.
4. While I loathe the secular fundementalist's behavior at WP, this sort of behavior at CP is hardly a credible response. CP is a farce, a diversion, a gimic to keep christian conservatives from corrupting WP articles with a secular fundementalist POV. I am beginning to suspect that Jimbo funded Andy to keep conservatives and Christians off WP. It is a well known tactic used to fight groups that are considered subversive. Whether or not Jimbo is actually fundnig CP, I have no way of knowing, but it would have been a good investment.
5. CP looks to me like a classic case of animal farm. The medicine is worse than the original condition.
6. CP sysops are so busy chasing obvious vandels, and suspecting genuine editors like myself, that they allow articles like this to exist on CP. (It was changed after I pointed out that the secular fundementalists at WP were gloating over such articles. In case you don't know, Kent Hovind is an outspoken critic of evolution who for some reason has gone nuts on paying his taxes.)

Anyway, I hope I don't disuade you from continuing there. The task at hand is difficult. Whether or not it is impossible, time will tell. Thanks for saying hi. You should probably feign anger at me now less the paranoids at CP decide you are a mole.

Meanwhile, I am writing a project plan for a christian world view encyclopedia, with multiple article spaces to avoid doctrine disputes. If you're Christian, send me your email, and I will let you know when I make my next move. HG_HeartOfGold ^talk 00:10, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Hi Heart of Gold. I just love your point four! That had never occurred to me, but suddenly everything makes sense! It's so obvious. Thanks for that.--Bob_M (talk) 11:48, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

To defend the innocent, I wrote that point four. Heart♥Gold ^tx 14:07, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

HG you should try to come back. The mossad article is not finished.Bohdan 14:11, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Welcome

Welcome to RationalWiki, Bohdan, good to see you. I'd also like to personally express my regret over that impersonation incident that happened on my blog; I removed it and put the IP responsible on moderation. I understand that TK believes it's merely a ploy on my part to distance myself from the rest, but... well, I hope you'll find out I'm not really as evil as one might think. ;-) --AKjeldsen 04:58, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Aye, I don't think your evil. Thanks for the welcome.Bohdan 10:36, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Welcome aboard, Bhodan. Always nice to have frsh legs to help get us up and running. Flippin^;-) 11:00, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

We do like you really

Ah Bohdan, have I hurt your feelings? Sorry, I may have been premature, I saw you did a lot of blocking when you first became sysop but many of them were probably justified after all. OK, I don't agree with all of your views but that's not a reason to be nasty. So I'll remove you from my list. Hope you finish all your Ukrainian history as there are a lot of your links at the top of the pages wanted. There's nothing wrong with specializing. If CP is to succeed it needs a wide range of articles. Look at the Top 20 list, aren't the topics a little skewed? The current management seems to have a very narrow view of what should be in an encyclopedia - especially one that is supposed to be family-friendly. I remember my own first junior encyclopedia many years ago, lots of articles on science, history, geography, culture and animals - not one on homosexuality, abortion, or single sex marriage and very little that emphasised war except in a historical context.

Your plea on my talk page shows that you may actually be considerate, you obviously care about what people think about you and that shows tht you have some sort of conscience - unlike some of your co-sysops. Perhaps you could push for some changes at CP like removing infinite blocking for a first offense. Surely you can see that it's ridiculous. If people want to vandalise they just create another account. Blocking an IP address doesn't work, and do people keep IP addresses for life? No, of course not. How do you think all these vandals keep reappearing? I can see Mr Schlafly's point of view in wanting a Christian Conservative point of view, but revisionism and excluding other points of view will not work in the long run. Controversial articles should present several points of view. The YEC view is this, the OEC view is this, the evolutionist view is this... Then the reader would be able to make up their own mind regarding the soundness of the arguments. It also helps the user as any scholar wishing to make a thesis should consider all points of view, otherwise they might as well just quote mine from the Bible.

It should also be remembered that CP's Christian Conservative POV is a very narrow one. Many Christians (outside the US) accept evolution without intelligent design or creationism and still believe in the greatness of God and the love of Jesus. They also tend to put Jesu's words ahead of other Biblical writings. "Turn the other cheek" rather than "an eye for an eye". The murder rate in Europe with gun control is much lower than the US, but CP regards this as some sort of heresy. Why live with fear all the time?

If CP wants a wide range of articles they only cut off their nose to spite their face by blocking the likes of me. Think what some of the founding fathers might do if they were running CP. Mad Min 13:04, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Blocking

Blocking is fun, being blocked, eh not so much. But its a badge of honor for being blocked for certain things at certain places, at least among certain groups. Tmtoulouse 21:03, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I forget who said it first, but "a man can be judged by the quality off his enemies." --Gulik 23:15, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Looks like i'm pretty much trash then :( -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 00:06, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

How about one can be judged by the inverse quality of his enemies? Tmtoulouse 00:08, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

It's more like, "I am glad to be known by the enemies I keep". probably Twain or Marx (G.), but I'm probably wrong. human^{be in} 00:37, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

• Is any of this directed to me?Bohdan 00:49, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Not at all Bohdan, I told you we all like you here! But if you start using TK's astrics we may have to run you through the liberal torture chamber a few rounds. Tmtoulouse 00:55, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Sorry about the asterisk, I just wanted my comment to encompass the whole conversation. I actually find the asterisks a little annoying myself.Bohdan 00:56, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

See, you fit in MUCH better over here than CP, really, I know we are all "terrorist" and evil Godless liberals....but we understand the value of community and fun and humor, and well just hang out. Go vandalize some pages or something, or whatever it is you want. I wouldn't recommend poking the hornets nest though. Tmtoulouse 01:01, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

It's not "torture", it's "Freedom Tickling"! Didn't you get the memo? --Gulik 01:29, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

I just wandalized a dozen or so pages. You should try it, Bohdan. Just check my contribs and look at the diffs. OK, I also put a comma in where it was needed, that's our 99/1 rule. 99 Wandalisms require one honest comma. human^{be in} 01:45, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Whats this rule now? I think i am going to like it. -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 14:30, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Germany Rocks

Germany rocks. Why were you blocked? 85.195.119.14 02:15, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Everyone needs at least one fetish. Tmtoulouse 02:22, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

'media whore'

Y'know, we try not to be judgemental here - 'Personal "attacks", however justified, are strongly frowned upon'. So here's your frown >:(. We're trying to avoid attack articles here. --ύικι ντερπρετηρ ^woo!

Well done on being reasonable. It was a bad thing that someone put that redirect up, but it's better to remove it altogether. Oh, and welcome Bohdan! Thankyou for being open minded enough to contribute to both RW and CP. --ύικι ντερπρετηρ ^woo!

No. Because I am, to quote PalMD, 'an evil BASTARD', I will not give you a 2 minute block. Let's see if they allow fractions ... --ύικι ντερπρετηρ ^woo!

I'm not entirely sure that I find your last comment reassuring ... for future reference, blocktimes ε integers.--ύικι ντερπρετηρ ^woo!

I didn't mean it that way, don't worry. And the use of 'ε' is me lapsing into talking in set theory -Set:blocktimes are a subset of the greater Set:Numbers with no decimal points. --ύικι ντερπρετηρ ^woo!

Nah, don't worry. Talking in a mixture of French, English, Biblical Greek and Maths is not too conducive to understanding. And yes, I was blocked on CP: I considered doing sockpuppetry on a dynamic IP, but then just thought 'what's the point?'. Can do much more here, anyway. --ύικι ντερπρετηρ ^woo!

Captions

Glad you approve :) --Robledo 17:40, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

CP's democide/genocide page

You may want to include some examples of genocide that occured in the United States. There were many instances of the US government in the 1800's directly killing whole Indian communities, or indirectly causing deaths through forced migration and internment on reservations. See Trail of Tears. Such an addition would do well to keep the entry fair and balanced. Of course, you would have to fight the other sysops tooth and nail in order to do so. The pro-American stance of the sysops is so strong that they are quick to white-wash anything that makes the country look bad. However, since it is part of this country's heritage, it should be remembered and acknowledged for what it is. Just a suggestion though, you seem like the best person to bring this to.Prof0705 12:10, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Yes indeed; we've already laid the foundation on the CP Democratic party page with Remini's work and how the father of the Democratic party signed genocidal legislation into Law. In fact, the father of the Democratic party's name is still regularly invoked annually throughout America in Democratic fundraiser's "Jefferson & Jackson Dinners". We definitley need to expand upon this. RobS 14:03, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Rob, one of your consistent failures as a sysop, a debater, and a thinker, is that you equate the one with the whole. Your hit job on Harry Hay is an example - whatever his failings (I make no comment), they cannot be imputed to the whole gay rights movement. Ditto for the above commentary. Or do we equate all Christians with crusaders & abortion clinic bombers?-AmesG 14:10, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

My My. I do not know where to begin Mr. RobS. Maybe with the fact that the events in question happened many years ago; years in which the ideologies and principles of the political parties have changed considerably. In fact, a few parties have dissapeared, merging with others, or simply blowing away on the winds of change. To equate the actions of a Democrat from hundreds of years ago to the Democrats today, however slyly done, illuminates your own pettiness. Another point is that the genocidal actions being discussed occured over the course of almost two centuries. Surely more Americans were invovled than just the evil Democrats. Might we find the stench of death hanging around a few Republicans of the past as well? I would think yes. Is your lack of knowledge and foresight the most disagreeable part of your above comments? No, sadly it is not. What I find most dispicable, most repugnant, is the fact that you, as a supposed Christian human being would not hesitate to use a act of mass murder in order to score a cheap political hit. Besides that, I was speaking to Mr. Bohdan whom so far has carried himself with a sense of dignity and fairness that has escaped you. In conclusion, you sir, are a pissant, so don't fucking interupt me. Prof0705 17:33, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Come on, Doc, tell him how you really feel! human^{be in} 20:36, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

You're trying to get a modern-day American Ultra-conservative to admit that maybe all Democrats AREN'T evil? Good luck--they'd sooner put in a good word for Satan himself. :-P --Gulik 17:47, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

• AmesG, being that Christians were murdering Jews in the 14th Century, can that be imputed to the whole of Christianity?

• Prof705, Yes indeed, the events in question happened many years ago; to equate the actions of a Chrisitan from hundreds of years ago to the Chrisitans today, however slyly done, illuminates pettiness. Another point is that the genocidal actions being discussed occured over the course of almost four centuries. Surely more secularists were invovled than just the evil Christians. Might we find the stench of death hanging around a few atheists of the past as well? What I find most dispicable, most repugnant, is the fact that an act of mass murder is used in order to score a cheap shot.

P.S. sticks and stones... I guess you're out of arguements, huh? RobS 18:12, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Andy calls that a parthian shot. When he wants to score a cheap one. human^{be in} 20:36, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Just an aside, but isn't it weird how RobS is suddenly using TK-style bullets instead of the indents he was using? Verrrry interesting! --Kels 18:16, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Rob, that's exactly my point. You CAN'T impute guilt across six centuries, from a founder or followers gone astray to the modern movement, nor can you impute guilt to the Democrats from three centuries ago, nor can you even impute guilt to the gay rights movement from one of its founders.-AmesG 18:21, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

To chime in on this discussion, you can question motives of those who are movement leaders based on beliefs of vocal early proponents of such movements (e.g., abortion, evolution, and even Christianity). Heart♥Gold ^tx 18:24, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I think questioning motives is interesting but not particularly probative. Can you cite an example that we'd all agree upon as to where this type of analysis is equal? Otherwise it sounds like nothing more than demagoguery, pulling on emotion more than reason. -AmesG 18:28, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

• AmesG, So we agree. Now I have to spend countless hours rewriting the crap the RW cabal put in CP.

• HOG, Yes indeed. However now we see at CP Communism entry, the recycled rubbish how Communism isn't really Communism, Marx et al were misunderstood, and we can't judge the fruit of the mass movement based upon its early founders. Apologists for Marxism/Communism/Leninsim/Stalinism/Maosim (or whatever deviation) are really very akin to Holocaust deniers, IMHO. RobS 18:32, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Rob, you're making less sense than usual. Please explain your reply to me.-AmesG 18:33, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Ir is worth noting that ol' Adolf probably would have had a lot less popular support for his program of pogroms if he wasn't tapping into a rich vein of traditional European Jew-hating bigotry--one that was abetted by other Catholics AND Protestants. --Gulik 18:35, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

And if I felt like being obnoxious... actually, I do. One of the better arguments Atheists have is that they get to point to all the HORRIBLE things done "in God's name", and ask why He didn't stop them. It'd be kind of nice if Believers quit giving Atheists (and Maltheists more ammo. --Gulik 18:35, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

• AmesG, you said "You CAN'T impute guilt across six centuries, from a founder or followers gone astray to the modern movement"; this spans enrtries from the Spanish Inquisition upto the current debate over nazism having its roots in Christianity.

• Gulik says it in his above posting, imputes guilt to many who were either (a) Christian in name only (there are many "Jewish" atheists); or (b) opens the Pandora's box about Catholics not being Christians. Nice ploy; while the leadership of many Christian Churches, either Catholic or Protestant, may in fact be true devotees of Satan, that does not mean the whole congregration is.

• Gulik, One of the better arguments God's children have is that they get to point to all the HORRIBLE things done in Marx's name. RobS 18:44, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I wasn't aware that Liberals were supposed to consider Karl Marx to be a godlike being capable of transcending time and space from beyond the grave to Smite those who defamed His good name. Unlike that crazy Jewish preacher I've heard tell of....or His Dad. --Gulik 19:52, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Ugh. Where did I imply that Christians from today are answerable for the actions of the Christians of the past? At the very least, attempt to get your facts straight.Prof0705 18:47, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Well, if you seek exemption as a member of the RW cabal, so much for that. The program agenda however, of the RW's vandal cabel's insertions into CP seem to all point in that direction. RobS 18:55, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Sooooooooo I assume you're going to strike your ridiculous arguments on the cp:Gay rights and cp:Harry Hay pages.-AmesG 18:48, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Let me finish Mr. Henry Hay's bio first, and I'll review it again. But the more research I do, the more it points in the direction Mr. Henry Hay certainly set out to subvert many American cultural attitudes.RobS 18:55, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I may be wrong (yes, it is possible), but I smell a sock, or at least a shared password. Even RobS is rarely this incomprehensible. --Kels 18:50, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

No. I'm just tired. Partied to much last nite. RobS 18:55, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Trust me, I've talked to him before enough to know that he's often this incomprehensible. He's also using his more common arguments. However he gave up on them pretty quickly. So it might be an impersonator.-AmesG 18:53, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Fair enough, it just seemed like there was a stylistic change from the first comment here to the following. I wonder if there's any way the Sysop Brigade can check, or whether they want to? --Kels 18:55, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I don't have Checkuser or I would.-AmesG 18:56, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I say it isn't even worth trying to talk to RobS about this. He is not going to listen to logic, period. Stop wasting your time trying to make him understand that he is wrong. Həlios^{-speak to me!} 19:20, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Helios, either your fucking "e" is upside down, or I have had one more Scotch than I think I've had... human^{be in} 20:36, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Ah, the Authoritarian mindset. Who needs a centrally-organized Cabal, when a bunch of independent wiseacres are more effective? --Gulik 19:52, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I think the record shows I'm reasonable and tolerant, probably more than other sysops. But I also have a job to uproot subversive infiltrators. RobS 15:02, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Cultural Attitudes

How horrible that must be for you, RobS, that cultural attitudes have been subverted. How horrible that your own values are not oppressing the rest of America. Simply awful.-AmesG 18:59, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I really don't care. My job is as an historian, to chronicle the story -- not recycle disinformation. RobS 15:03, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

Bohdan 20:46, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Do you need to be blocked a couple of times? I'll assume you need one, at least. Talk to me. When you can ;) human^{be in} 21:10, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

AAAAAAAAA? --AAAAAAAAA!

Hey Bohdan. We decided to throw a party on your talk pages. Having fun yet?Prof0705 08:12, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

I had to join in - Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers! Developers![1][2]--ύικι ντερπρετηρ ^woo!

God I truly do love Uncyclopedia. Forget all the other wikis out there, everything we need to know about the world is on Uncyclopedia. I'm devising a way to lure the Grues over to CP. What a blood bath it will be. I'm thinking of sending Oscar Wilde and That Guy over there too. Prof0705 08:36, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Chuck Norris is already present I'm afraid, but CATS, Mr T., and co will surely join you. --ύικι ντερπρετηρ ^woo!

Was the grand debate as to who would win in a stand up fight: Chuck Norris or a Grue, ever settled? I still think that such a fight would cause a tear in the space-time continuim thereby pulling God, Allah, and Buddha out of that big strip-club in the sky and nnegating all existence. Course that is the crackpot theory of one who has been diagnosed as batshit insane.Prof0705 08:44, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Plagiarism

Hey Bohdan. I responded to your comment on Conservapedia_Talk:Blatant_Plagiarism, and I wanted to make sure you saw it.

You got me

Helena Bonham Carter. GodlessLiberal 19:29, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Due to his real life and his Sysop duties at Conservapedia, this User is hereby resigning from RationalWiki. ^{I don't think I made 1 contribution!}

1. You can't quit, you're fired!

2. "You can check in out any time you like, but you can never leave."

3. Your utter lack of salient contributions is why you were a valued user.

Aurevoiderchi, mon amigo! (wipes masculine tear of manly bonding from very male eye) human^{be in} 20:02, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Godspeed my friend!Prof0705 20:04, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Bohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhdaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan!!!!!!!!!!!! You will be missed. I will get some socks and come visit you on CP. GodlessLiberal 22:06, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

*sniff* ----Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 15:00, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Well miss you :'( -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 15:25, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

I know you're "gone"

But I was wondering something. You have described yourself as being a "conservative"; you also have mentioned that you are from Ukraine...I was wondering if this means that you are a communist? If you do not answer I'll take that as a "yes". Thanks. ~~ C®acker 14:38, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

He has a UBX on CP that says Putin is the devil or something to that effect. Interpret how you will. GodlessLiberal 14:56, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

The Putin userbox is sadly gone. I should really get it back. And no I am not a communist.Bohdan 15:22, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

It was just a passing thought...or gas, (I'm never quite sure about that), but thank you for answering. BTW< I, myself, am not a communist either. ~~ C®acker 20:00, 3 June 2007 (CDT)

Nor am I, despite what my userbox might say. GodlessLiberal 17:12, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

"Cp does welcome other views"

Said by Bohdan in This Wrangle.

Is this THE biggest lie ever said here, or can someone think of a bigger one? --Gulik 17:00, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

I actually can think of a few. Its no lie I seriously read that somewhere on CP, probably on a talk page. Remember, welcoming is different than endorsing.Bohdan 17:12, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

They say they do. But look at Phillip J. Rayment, RobS, Karajou. Anything geological that says Earth might be older than 6,000 years is reverted, the contributor is told to cease. Not very welcoming. Bohdan, I have seen you to be much more tolerant of other ideas, but unfortunately that is not the case with CP as a whole. GodlessLiberal 17:44, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

You get banned for disagreeing with a sysop. -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 17:56, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

So far, I have not banned anyone for disagreeing with me.Bohdan 18:02, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Yes, you and Philip aren't that quick to ban people, unfortunately the same doesn't hold for TK, Conservative and Karajou. MiddleMan 18:03, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

When people here say 'sysop' they're usually referring to every sysop but you. :) You never gave us any of the crap they did. GodlessLiberal 18:04, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Bohdan, when I was first banned from cp it was purely for disagreeing with Andy/Karajou. I was genuinely participating in a few debates and suddenly the 90/10 rule happened and andy decided he didn't like me so i was banned (i was Airdish there too - check my edits/comments), and depending on the calculation of stats (there is/was no explicitly determined method for calculating the ratio) it is ambiguous as to whether or not i was actually in violation (though apparently it's now a 10/90 rule - i'm not paying too much attention right now). Basically, they only welcome other views if they are not expressed, in my humble experience.

And one more thing, (though it's not my responsibility) apologies for any vitriol you may be receiving for being on this site, I'm glad you're here. Much like User:TK i imagine you end up being the scapegoat for cp-related frustration. (Oh, and I liked your wandalism though I'm not sure if it could be classed as funny so I don't know where it should be archived.)αιρδισΗ^ταλκ 09:34, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

Mh, yes, people do get banned for disagreeing with certain sysops, but these sysops often call it "attack on CP" or "endless edit wars" or stuff like that. Heck, people got banned by Karajou for effectively pointing out a typo in a THIRD-PARTY book about the Bible (ban reasons included things like "attacks on the Bible", and Karajou said that "I do not tolerate book burning, as Airdish implied. The Bible is a book; attacking it is the same as book burning."). No, I'm not making this stuff up. Go and check the archives of cp:Talk:Bible for a few interesting discussions. I should have timelines of the events, including the various bans (some 1-month ones, some permanent ones) and the ban reasons. I know of that case because I got banned... three times or so in those events, I think. I'm not implying that you do that (I'm not monitoring you, so I honestly dunno, but people seem to think you're okay, so that's cool with me), but you should phrase such statements to only speak for yourself. I know you didn't come up with that statement, but repeating it doesn't make it any more true :P

Oh, and here's a spoiler: The typo was eventually corrected, but none of the remaining permanent bans were lifted afterwards. --Sid 10:20, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

Bohdan, "CP does welcome other views" is like Henry Ford saying you can have any color you like (so long as it is black). You should judge people by what they do not what they say. ^{Babel fish}ÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†_{Now look here!} 10:31, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

Must be nice...

...to block people and then debate the merits of their ideas without their input, huh :-) ?-AmesG 19:25, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Lets debate here if you want. Hey, you were a sock and thats blockable. Bohdan 19:28, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

• This is what I mostly take issue with: We are not pushing an ideology. We are not pushing a world-view. We are not suppressing faith. We respect faith. Bohdan 19:30, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I think the problem Bohdan is that you are so used to an enforced monolithic viewpoint ala CP that you can't wrap your head around the idea that this is merely a loose conglomerate of people with a wide range of thoughts, ideas, goals and actions. And we allow all of them to be heard here too...unlike other places...Tmtoulouse 20:22, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

• It sure doesn't seem like there is a wide range of ideas and goals. Bohdan 20:31, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay. Tmtoulouse 20:33, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

• • • • I beg to differ. Most of the users here are friggin infidels, but all different types! None of them think what I think! *** ::: Erk! human^{be in} 21:56, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

• • Interesting point buried in there. I think sometimes the CP folks may (guess here) actually think that all "non believers" are at least almost the same.--DoxXox^-DawkT0wk 21:59, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

You cannot request blocks from me

If you do it again, I will block you for two minutes. Please refrain from making block requests, or you will be blocked for violating my policy. Heart♥Gold ^tx 21:57, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Wait a second, you're tricking me. Heart♥Gold ^tx 21:57, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Vandalism

If you continue to vandalize this site, we will have to block your access to it briefly. Oh shit, I forgot who I'm talking to. Rephrase - if you continue to vandalize this site we will have no choice but to never block you again! Wait, um, that doesn't work either. Oh hell, what I will do is archive your vandalism in the most embarassing possible way - noting, for instance, that you didn;t even write your own vandalism, you copied it from an anon IP. How's them apples, IceBohweddange? :P human^{be in} 22:01, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Oh, PS:

this CP sysop is a vandal!

Have a nice day. human^{be in} 22:01, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

• Alright, I'll calm down. Bohdan 22:06, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

I feel so...violated. Carry on. CЯacke® 22:19, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

You wanna be our resident vandal? We can give you a carte blanche pass to do whatever you want as much as you want and we won't, you know, block you. Tmtoulouse 22:21, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

• Sounds wonderful. Bohdan 22:24, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Wait, you're rewarding the guy who's addicted to being blocked with...not...blocking him? Buh? --Kels 22:30, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Sorry, I am a psychologist..........Tmtoulouse 22:32, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

• Can we talk about me again? Bohdan 22:34, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

• when did you first feel the need to preface your thoughts with bullets? Were you abused as a child? CЯacke® 22:38, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Better question...Bohdan what do you see here:

Its......an deformed asterisk? Bohdan 22:43, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Oh my.....oh my.........um, I think the BEST thing is to move you into a facility thats better equipped to handle such a case as yours. Tmtoulouse 22:45, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Don't make me pwn you. I will if I have to.Bohdan

I shudder at the thought. Tmtoulouse 22:50, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

You are so close right now.... what does pwned mean again? Bohdan 22:51, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Rumor has it that it on on-line games when one gamer royally beat another gamer he "owned" them. But that 'o' and 'p' key are awfully close so it would many times come up as pwned. The rest is history. Tmtoulouse 22:53, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

• Okay. On an unrelated note, isn't McMaster University a Christian institution? Bohdan 22:55, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

As much as say Harvard is a Christian institution, it was founded by a protestant but over the many years of its existence it has become the hot bed of evil secularism that we have all come to love and adore from institutes of higher educational learning. Tmtoulouse 22:57, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Its sad that secularism has pwned higher education. Bohdan 22:59, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

That is a matter of perspective...as a bona fide logical positivist I find it delightful. Tmtoulouse 23:00, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Wait a minute, did you just stealthly remove all of my asterisks? Bohdan 23:03, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Who would do such a thing? Tmtoulouse 23:04, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

A sick minded person, you should know that. Probably PalMD.heh heh heh just kidding Bohdan 23:06, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Did you know we almost made the use of asterisks in comments a bannable offence? Tmtoulouse 23:09, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Hey, Tommy Too Loose, thanks for that awsome image for cunt! Whodathunk Ida found it here? Hiya Bohdan! Pwn anything lately? If you're going to be our resident vandal, you'll need a signature UXB for your victims, and you'll have to learn all about !!!!111!!oneoneone1111!!!! human^{be in} 23:08, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

this user is a cybertewwowist!

Blocked

You were blocked for two minutes for this edit. Heart♥Gold ^tx 00:47, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

You pwned the tewwowist! human^{be in} 01:33, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

• Someone is going to pay for that. Bohdan 01:45, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

• • Eat my shorts, napalm boy! human^{be in} 01:48, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

---

• "You wanna be our resident vandal? We can give you a carte blanche pass to do whatever you want as much as you want and we won't, you know, block you. Tmtoulouse 22:21, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

• I have permission.Bohdan 02:08, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Oh, I just blocked him. Does he have permission? He will probably not even know he was blocked since it was for three minutes. Heart♥Gold ^tx 02:13, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

My IP address…

Apparently my CP account was blocked because you had some speculative notion about my IP address. I wasn't vandalizing, being a parody, trolling, or violating 90/10. Do you care tyo offer any justification for this? Sorry to be rather uncivil. --Che 10:47, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

who are you and why are you telling me this? I don't know who you are, so I have nothing to tell you. Bohdan 16:10, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Hey, Che, first, we don't have a 90/10 rule here. We do have a 99/1 rule, that says you have to wandalize 99 pages before you are allowed to make a "productive edit", but we don't enforce that, either. As far as I can tell, if you were blocked, it was for not "vandalizing, being a parody, trolling, or violating 90/10". Of course, since I see no direct block of you, you may have been caught up in someone else's block. Especially if you share an IP address with someone. Especially especially if you share a computer and a goat with them. human^{be in} 12:49, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Looking at the CP block log, looks like you were blocked by TK (welcome to the club!). Probably best asking the question here assuming TK intends to read his talk page on this site in the near future. Trashbat 16:17, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Che, hey, hi! I saw the block go down, TK apparently thinks you're one Linus M, a sysop here who also has a dial-up connection to teh internets (cake-eater!) (j/k), ipso facto you're HIM. ~~ CЯacke® 16:22, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

• can this conversation be moved, so my talk page isnt polluted with filth? Bohdan 16:23, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

• Oy veh, are YOU on the wrong Internets. --Gulik 18:11, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

example for IceBohwedanedge

BoHDaN pWNS HuMaN mobocracy rulz see what I mean?

Wandalism

I hereby motion to restrict Bohdan's wandalism to a quota, say, no more than once every 5 minutes. Seems like a good idea to me. --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 14:14, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

I second that.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 14:15, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

I oppose this. Talk to tmtoulouse. He and I already went over this quota deal. Bohdan 14:20, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

It's for your own good. The incessant vandalism is making people dislike you. --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 14:37, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

I love Bohdan's vandalism. I appreciate it immensely. GdlessLiberal 14:45, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, but the rest of us don't. At least not this frequency. Once every 5 minutes would be good. --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 15:02, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

No hostility intended, Bohdan. --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 15:04, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Meh... How about... every time Bohdan vandalizes RW, we get to vandalize CP? Oh, and I figured out my new sig! GdlessLiberal 15:11, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

(And I made it even better. I pwn GL's sig!) human^{be in} 16:29, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

What vandalism? he's just blanking pages and pwning them? BFD. And GL, nobody cares about your sig, only that you are here and doing Good Things. My advice, get a "normal" sig...like mine. CЯacke® 15:15, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, quit with the "signature file" activism and let's get on with our productive editing! human^{be in} 16:29, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

I'm so confused. And thanks for restoring my talk page, Cracker. GdlessLiberal 15:18, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Yes, you're quite velcome, I left the wandalsim and actually like it a bit better with that BOLD header-like look to it, (if we could only get her to use some colors!)~~ CЯacke® 15:21, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Yes I like it too. her? GdlessLiberal 15:23, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

I rather feel that some limit would be in order. Who is this "tmtoulouse" of whom you speak? Does he speak for the mob?--Bob_M (talk) 15:45, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

<--- I'm bad with pronouns. ~~ CЯacke® 15:25, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Haha, I was under the impression that Bohdan was a he... I was wrong about Heart, so I thought maybe I had just made the wrong assumption. GdlessLiberal 15:27, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Wait, HG isn't a guy? --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 15:35, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

• I am a guy. Bohdan 15:36, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Come discuss it with us on the forums, Bohdan! --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 16:53, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

The forum seems like a pretty nasty place. Bohdan 16:57, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Aw, c'mon… its fnu! --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 17:57, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

one last pair of comments archived prior to retirement

I miss you already. ~~ CЯacke® 00:06, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

Why did he want to leave? Should we unretiring him tormorrow and have him confirm it? Heart♥Gold ^tx 00:11, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

I miss Bohdan so much. He's my favorite. GdlessLiberal 13:10, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay, you've been away long enough

They are clamouring for your return....so....get back here. Heart♥Gold ^tx 23:34, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

I don't see how you can stay here. Its so hostile. Bohdan

It is at times hostile, but not entirely hostile. Were you subjected to hostility? I was at CP (e.g., RobS's paranoid machinations and Conservative's ownership issues on evolutionary related articles). Heart♥Gold ^tx 23:38, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

Hostility or not we allow people to have their say, we do not just block them after one wrong word. Now THAT is hostile. tmtoulouse ^oppress 23:38, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

Everyone gangs up on you it seems. They did to me. It just doesn't seem worth it. Bohdan 23:40, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

We tell you up front what we are about, and invite anyone who wants to come in and have their say in anyway that they want. We do not block them, threaten them, or enforce arbitrarily silly rules at random to stifle debate. Yes we have a POV as a site and a user base...but we are honest about it and value dissent. All things that would make CP something more than a laughing stock. tmtoulouse ^oppress 23:42, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

did your signature just change again? Bohdan 23:43, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

Its nomadic. tmtoulouse ^oppress 23:44, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

I am going to figure out how to do that nomadic sig...pretty cool. Anyway, Bohdan, some of them are just mean, others are hostile but attempt intellectual honesty. I know I am walking in the valley of death, there is no pretense (as on WP) of objectivity here. I'll probably put ElkMurderer on my ignore list. Anyway, if you want to retire again, put another request in, I am sure they will honor it. But if you keep posting (and many hope you do), your signaling an intent to not be retired. Heart♥Gold ^tx 23:55, 13 July 2007 (CDT)

• • • No nonono. I am still retired. I just stopped by, as I like to do. Bohdan 23:56, 13 July 2007 (Cdude, I'm fine, that's why I left your pwnage up. trouble with being retired is we can't come over and say "hi" here when we see you! human^{be in} 02:05, 19 July 2007 (CDT)

OK, commented out retired tag, gives people a place to say "hi". I also swapped your archive link for the talkpage template, which does a really nice job of it, including adding a "new archive" link. human^{be in} 02:05, 19 July 2007 (CDT)

Nice work on your user page. Very tasteful. human^{be in} 02:25, 19 July 2007 (CDT)

I bow to your power

bowing--PalMD^-Goatspeed! 19:40, 19 July 2007 (CDT

blink

I tried to block you for e^iπ minutes, but Wiki could not compute. So you'll have to do it on your pwn. human^{be in} 20:47, 19 July 2007 (CDT)

Wait…

Are you trying to get blocked again, or are you simply trolling? I'd respond to the first one with the appropriate action if that's what you want. --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 21:49, 19 July 2007 (CDT)

A bit annoyed recently, aren't you? --Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 13:13, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

No. I am having the time of my life. Resident vandal

Still trying to work out that e^iπ block for you... damn maths... human^{be in} 13:17, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

I think we can all agree that math is a destructive entity. Resident vandal 13:17, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Math is a liberal value. --Kels 13:19, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Recognition

		Freedom Award
		Fighting Communists. Heart♥GoldIllustrate effects of HRT overdose 23:25, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

This is the happiest moment in my wiki-career! Resident vandal

Good. Hey, I did not remember that you were from the Ukraine, either. But you do deserve the award. Glad it means something to you. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 23:59, 20 July 2007 (CDT)

Hey, Bohdan, if you don't mind, I am curious as to what part of Ukraine you are from? (one of my friends stateside was from Odessa) And, did you ever see the pictorial some crazy chick on a motorbike did of Chernobyl? One more PS, when I made my "handy with tools" UXB on CP, I needed an image, and I went with a wrench and hammer, since I just figured my sickle and hammer would never fly there... Oh, and congrats on the HG congrats box thing. My best wishes to you and your country as you unyoke yourselves from dictatorship. human^{be in} 21:26, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

I am from far western Ukraine, between Lviv and Poland. Resident vandal

Thanks! I did not mean to pry. I will now go get out my atlas and look at where you hail from! human^{be in} 21:48, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

What about you? Do I remember Wales? Resident vandal

Yes, my friend, that is quite correct. South Wales; Cefn Coed y Cymmer, to be exact. Coal country, just up the road from the awful Aberfan disaster. Not there anymore, though, got emigrated to OOSA 38 years ago, just about to the day. human^{be in} 20:15, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

The Ukraine

I don't understand. We say "The U.K.", "The U.S.A.", etc. We do not say "The California", I suppose, but California is not a country (yet). What is the rationale? Thanks. (Okay, we don't say "The Sweeden", "The China", either.) Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 21:31, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

As best I understand it, their language does not use indefinite articles. They have no word for "the". Bohdan seems, impressively, to have mastered this linguistic gymnastic effort with his English. human^{be in} 21:36, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

"the Ukraine" implies a region, not an independent country. Human is right, in Ukrainian, we don't have articles anyway. look here at this article: [3] (At wikipedia, I list myself as a "near native" English, but I personally think I am better than that.) Resident vandal

So I suppose "the Sudan" is incorrect as well? GdlessLiberal 21:58, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

I guess. Resident vandal

Oh, well, if my memory is correct, many news presenters in the U.S. refer to Ukraine as "The Ukraine." I'll keep an eye out now that I have been educated on this. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 22:01, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

You're right, Heart. Sudan is the same way. For some reason I'm thinking there's another (the Congo, maybe? or am I just thinking of the river?). GdlessLiberal 22:12, 21 July 2007 (CDT)

It's just like THE Sahara, a region, but I don't think you can say THE Sudan, it's tricky though. MiddleMan 19:55, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

Just to keep dragging this out. Most countries are not "the" something - France, Germany, Brazil, Honduras, Canada, Portugal, etc. However, countries whose name is a "phrase" often have it preceded by "the": The USA; The EU (I know, not quite a "country"), The UK, The Soviet Union (gone for good), The UAE, The DDR (gone), The ROC, etc. Whether this is a useful rule or just a meaningless list is another issue. human^{be in} 20:04, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

It would seem that "the" only goes before an abbreviation. Locke ^Random 20:06, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

LOL, that's obviously it! human^{be in} 20:10, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

Aw ... sorry!

Of course I admire your mad pwnin skillz, Bohdan. If you vandalise 10 different pages in the next ten minutes, starting now, you have my full respect. Go! --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!} 14:34, 23 July 2007 (CDT)

i missed this. But I pwned the main page! Resident vandal

OK. Here is some respect. ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!}

Answer

Not as such, no - but I went to a Catholic school, have a lot of contacts in the local Catholic community, and the Catholic Church is rather central to my professional work, so I guess you might say I'm a closet Catholic. I was baptized a Lutheran, though. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 18:11, 24 July 2007 (CDT)

pwning

Big Sister is watching! Keep^{your head}_down 12:59, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

TK

You should support the resignation of TK from CP. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 15:30, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

I see no reason why he should resign. Resident vandal

Paranoia? Mental Psychosis? The list goes on and on... Locke ^Random 19:08, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

I have to concur. He blocked me for vandalism after he screwed up (after I warned him). He also interferred in my dealings with other sysops. He really is a team killer over there. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 20:22, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Yup. He's an even bigger negative for you guys than Conservative, and that's saying something. --Kels 20:38, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Anyway, Bohdan, shoot me an email if you would rather comment privately. Given the atmosphere at CP, I am sort of surprised you even come here. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 20:57, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

I have no worries. I am a dedicated CPer. I think I lost your email also. Resident vandal

Okay, some of my contributions to CP were outstanding. Even as PheasantHunter (e.g., see wp:CPU, which has an inadvertant error I was going to fix before I was blocked. Now we will just leave it to TK to figure out what the error is.). None of my CP contributions were liberal (that I know of) or vandalism. My talk page participation was combative with liberals, but less so than some CP sysops.Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 23:18, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

BOYCOTT

" "

Keep^{your head}_down 17:53, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

'Ear, 'ear. Locke ^Random 19:08, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

Uh-oh. Resident vandal

" " Big Sister is watching! Keep^{your head}_down 19:53, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

I will get around you eventually! Resident vandal

Response to new UBX

I propose a team dedicated purely to blocking you. Locke ^Random 20:50, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

I am slowly but surely getting there. [4] Resident vandal

I propose a mob dedicated purely to blocking you Keep^{your head}_down 21:01, 27 July 2007 (CDT)

I propose a wiki dedicated purely to blocking you! human^{be in} 14:12, 28 July 2007 (CDT)

Okay, so TK blocked me for his own screw-ups to my signature templates. Why am I still blocked? Also, did you see this article: Eckankar. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 01:53, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

I don't know. I'll relay your request for unblocking if you want, though I think he said something about only Andy being able to unblock you. I am still lost about what really happened, but I think your insulting "TK" articles are probably hurting your chances. I can still try to ask him if you would like. That article is crazy, or I should say the "religion" is crazy. Resident vandal 01:59, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

With respect, what Andy, you, and TK fail to realize is that if I contribute to CP, it is CP that benefits. I am a conservative, and I bring technical expertise as well as conservatie zeal to the cause. I don't get paid for it.

TK deserves the insults. I wrote the TK (team killer) article because it was a good article (actual term, similar article existed on WP). My article on CP did not mention the sysop TK to my recollection, but was in the video game category. The article was apprapo vis-a-vis TK the sysop.

My contributions to CP were better than most of the sysops. TK fears what he does not understand (e.g., DEFAULTSORT, signature templates) and is little better than RobS who fears anybody who agrees with the Constitution Party Platform (to the point that he has since admitted to intimating what is false information to other sysops in the cover of darkness). TK also reminds me of the looser who needs to tie pork chops to his ears to make friends with a puppy. (TK, with his "message me" crap.)

TK should be resigned from CP. He is not genuine. Conservative, with whom I disagree with on some points, is genuine. Andy, I can't tell, but it appears he is being overly influenced by RobS and TK. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 02:08, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Hey, I know CP benefits from you, thats why I wanted you back. When I said "but I think your insulting "TK" articles are probably hurting your chances" I probably should have said "our chances" or "my chances" of getting you back. Resident vandal

Well, if you have work to do at CP, you should not involve yourself in petitioning. TK has power. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 02:16, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

TK's Elie Wiesel, compare to virginia.edu's article

Bohdan, as a CP sysop, take a look at cp:Elie Wiesel, and compare it to Virginia.edu's Elie Wiesel Bio.

“”After the liberation of the camps in April 1945, Wiesel spent a few years in a French orphanage and in 1948 began to study in Paris at the Sorbonne.

Hmn...TK should resign as a sysop as a deceitful liberal infilitrator who kills teams. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 03:08, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Umn, oh yeah, you probably don't want to *do* anything about this, agian, because TK is powerful. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 03:16, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Just like he shouldn't do anything about the other articles in that section. And always keep in mind that there is (most likely) no rule that says that CP sysops have to follow the rules! --Sid 06:37, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Way to go

Your latest pwnage managed to tip over from amusing right into downright offensive. Do you really think you're consorting with monsters? --Kels 17:49, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

So, you don't support what is happening? Or, evidently, what will happen tomorrow? Resident vandal

Of course I don't, what a fucking stupid question. Again I ask, do you believe anyone here celebrates murder? --Kels 17:52, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Sometimes it seems that way. Hey, if your so offended I will remove my own pwn. Calm down. Resident vandal 17:54, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Looks like someone beat me to it. But I would have. Resident vandal

I'd like to know just what made you think this was a reasonable thing to ask? --Kels 18:03, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Alright, sorry. Maybe it was a mistake. Resident vandal

Kels is not alone, I am outraged!Keep^{off the grass} 17:59, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

I am too!!! [5] Resident vandal

The main page says "Explorations of authoritarianism and fundamentalism". I think you need to decide if this only includes so-called Christian fundamentalism, or all kinds of fundamentalism. Resident vandal

Why would you think that it wouldn't include all fundamentalism?--MountainTiger 18:07, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

How much content on Rationalwiki is related to other kinds of fundamentalism? Resident vandal

I think the article on fundamentalism is ecumenical. We despise fundamentalism, but I doubt any of us here condone murdering fundies of any stripe. human^{be in} 18:16, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Why aren't you writing some? --Kels 18:10, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

I am a vandal/troll. Resident vandal

Then change professions. --Kels 18:14, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

I actually really like being a vandal/troll. Resident vandal

At least vandalise with relevant material and I'll see that it gets organized.--MountainTiger 18:16, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

How many other religious deny that they seek to control tought and police morality? Islam is at least open about it SirChuckB 18:09, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

O U T R A G E

Sorry for this but I'm edit clashing all over. Originally (before mountain above): The number of people who have edited must show the strength of feeling. I don't think anything that you could say would reduce my feeling of outrage Keep^{off the grass} 18:20, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

By the way, real reasons for Christian focus here are pretty simple. First, the CP fixation-You guys are Christian, so when someone is inspired by CP stupidity they're probably writing something about Christianity. Second, every editor I know a location for is in a historically Christian dominated country, meaning that they are probably most familiar with the details (not the outrageous headlines anyone can find) of Christianity.--MountainTiger 18:25, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Come to that, other than criticisms of YEC, Baraminism, etc., which fall as much into anti-science as religion, how much criticism of Christian fundamentalism is here? All I can think of off the top is the Bible criticism. --Kels 18:27, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

When I am writing/editing, and fundamentalism comes up in an article not about a specific religion, I sorta think of at least 3 or 4 types while writing to keep the sentence "general". Bohdan did make the point somewhere of other types of fundyism than religious, which I think might broaden the term beyond meaning - in a religious context, there are fairly specific meanings. By the way, Mr. B., although there are "fundamentalist" sects in some or many other religions, Christianity specifically has used the word historically in one of its revival movements, right? Anyways, do you have a good link to read up on the event you pwned the main page with? human^{be in} 19:09, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

No. I fear I may have caused alot of damage over something that was misinterpreted. My motivations for my edit are on Kels talk page. Resident vandal

What's up with the hormones?

I went away for a bit, and you've got everybody crying and making you feel guilty. What is it that you did? I can let you know if you were out of line (more objectively, that is). Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 19:23, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Just a little vandalism/trolling/pwning. Resident vandal

So what made today's so outrageous? Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 19:25, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

This [6] Resident vandal

Umn, so, why did you apologize for that? Salty truth is sometimes necessary. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 19:27, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

I, for one, am frusturated with this sites lack of coverage of anything other than the "Christian fundamentalists", given that the main page says clearly all forms of fundamentalism are going to be explored. There are many forms. I apologized because some editors thought I was implying that they delighted in that sort of thing. Resident vandal

It is worth noting that you were specifically invited to do so above, but you refused. The same invitation applies to Heart, except he's more busy demonizing Liberals. --69.156.0.59 20:07, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

It is also worth noting that I am nothing more than the resident vandal. Resident vandal

Succeeding admirably on the troll part, by the way.--MountainTiger 20:30, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

I must say, the "I'm just a vandal defense" doesn't really hold water for me. But then, "I want to have my cake and eat it" rarely does. --Kels 20:36, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Bohdan, there is a spiritual battle going on in the world today, and most of the participants do not even realize it. But it is no coincidence that their focus is on Christ ians. Time and time again the anti-christ snake rears its ugly head, to bite the heals of Christians. Just stomp on them. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 19:34, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

“”GE 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel."

As has been said before, nobody's going to get banned for writing about non-Christian fundamentalism, so vandalism against some weird "oppression" is pointless. There really is not a conspiracy against Christianity, just a set of circumstances that directs this site's attention to Christian fundamentalism over other forms.--MountainTiger 19:37, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Nice use of the word conspiracy. Typical. Anyway, it is a swarm. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 19:40, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

While I've read the "argument" of the whole liberal swarm thing, it manages to broaden the groups included in "liberal" and narrow the beliefs in a way that can only characterize parody or paranoia.--MountainTiger 19:45, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

First conspiracy and now dismissive terms like parody and paranoia. Anyway, sounds more like a coincidence theory on your part (the mere coincidence that Christians are *the* concern when it comes to teaching evolutionism in the public schools, prayer in the public schools, RW's concern about CP, etc.)

Let's consider those three things, shall we? The largest organizations attacking evolution in America (where, you'll notice, most of what we're talking about is coming from) are Christian. Likewise, the largest organizations seeking prayer in (American, I presume you mean) public schools are Christian. RW has many people frustrated with the anti-reason positions of CP (an avowedly Christian website), and RW 1.0 began, at least as I understand the history, as little more than a place to share complaints about CP. This would seem to adequately explain the Christian focus. Furthermore, your insistence that the "swarm" is not a conspiracy seems to indicate a lack of planning between the entities you believe to be attacking Christians. This would seem to leave the links as, at strongest, opportunistic alliances created by circumstance and coincidence. Were a hypothetical "al-Qaedapedia" (containing articles with a pro-bombing stance) to receive as much publicity as CP (and prove as amusing), I expect you would see a lot of related material on this site.--MountainTiger 20:03, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Ah, but liberals decry when we focus too much on "America"....it's a small planet, after all. But when it is the Christians in America causing liberals problems, well, then, liberals are justified in focusing their efforts against Christianity. And have you heard of Turkey? Not Christian, and large (from what I understand) movement against evolutionism. Heart♥Gold^{Illustrate effects of HRT overdose} 20:15, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

Had this site claimed to be comprehensive, complaints about incompleteness would be justified; as it has not, I fail to see why you would attack specialization (a fundamental principle, after all, of markets, something the two of us both have a certain fondness for). As an english-language site with a large population of editors familiar primarily with America, it is only natural to focus on America. The CP (also largely American) fixation also explains the American focus, as an article written to attack CP will naturally focus on America as a result. As has been said before, information about fundamentalism in other countries and religions is welcome-if you can give some on the anti-science movement in Turkey, no one is going to do anything to you. As both Islam and Turkey fall outside my area of expertise, however, I have no significant contribution to make to this.--MountainTiger 20:25, 29 July 2007 (CDT)

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