User talk:Steve Kay

You can say hello to me here and stuff Steve Kay 11:26, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

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–SuspectedReplicant^{retire me} 11:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello and stuff. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 17:25, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

ta muchly :) Steve Kay 17:30, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

sooo....

"which has the blessing of it's conscience." What the hell does this bit of word-salad mean? TheoryOfPractice 18:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C S Lewis

What I was trying to say is that the Conservative desire to "do good" will never run out, because it genuinely believes it is doing the right thing. Steve Kay 18:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Weak. Lame. ALL ideologies, or more specifically, the adherents of those ideologies: ideologies have no agency, people do--from liberals to Nazis--genuinely believe that they are doing the right thing. Good try though. Thanks for playing. TheoryOfPractice

Not sure what a "try" is in this context, and I wasn't playing so much as just jotting some ideas down on my user page - is that not OK? Steve Kay 18:23, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Sure, it's okay. But your ideas are lame. TheoryOfPractice 18:36, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Ease up ToP, brother's just expressing himself. Debate him after he's broken in his account a wee bit more. SJ ^Debaser 18:44, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Hey, dude says something challengeable on the wiki, dude's gonna get called on it. But, Steve, looking at the Lewis quote above, I'm having a hard time reconciling it, and your logic re: the inherent belief that conservatives believe they are acting in the name of some sort of universal good, with your claim that conservatism will inevitably triumph--is Lewis/are you not saying that would be a bad thing? And if so, why are you seemingly crowing about it on your user page? TheoryOfPractice 19:06, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Forgive me for not making myself clear. The two concepts are - in my mind - separate.

Statement 1 - Conservativism will probably win out. Why? Because the Conservative movement is unified, organised, ideologically coherent, motivated, and populous in number. These attributes - in and of themselves - make them a force to be reckoned with. They "evangelise" passionately and unceasingly (Fox News, Talk Radio, etc etc) to win new converts, too.

Statement 2 - Conservativism sincerely believes that interfering in people's lives is what's best. For example - Liberalism says "religion should be a person's choice" (because you know what's best for you). Conservativism says "you should pray in school" (because we know what's best for you). The nod to the "blessing of the conscience" is only a minor supporting point with regard to tenacity, and possibly became conflated in the way I presented this jumble of thinkings.

As an aside, I went to see a music singer called Jello Biafra this week who used to sing with a pop group called Dead Kennedys back in the late 70s - early 80s. They had a song back in the day called Moral Majority which mentions HRH Queen Phyllis (and indeed was where I first came across the Clan Schlafly), and he unveiled a new track from his forthcoming long-play album on much the same subject called Clean As A Thistle. Nearly 30 years have passed, Ron Reagan has been and gone, but Conservativism is still going strong. Plus ca change. Steve Kay 21:58, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Sysop.

Sorry. Here is your mop and bucket, and the guide is here. Have fun! ĵ₳¥ášÇ♠ʘ no hell below him 12:05, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

I can't see any red exclamation points, so I will keep myself to myself for now. Thanks for the demotion though. You've made a bored office drone slightly less bored. Steve 13:35, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Good rant

That's a very wise observation. My late grandfather saw active combat in Normandy from early morning 7th June 1944, and my ex-wife's late Dutch grandfather lived through the occupation of Holland. When people in your street or your office just disappear never to be seen again, when you've cooked the family pet and served it with grass and rose-hips to your children to stop them dying of starvation, when your friend is beaten to death in front of the neighbours for stealing 50ml of poster paint, when you've had a foreign soldier live in your house otherwise you and your family will be publicly shot, when you've had three groups of people trying to machine gun you to death at 200 rounds a minute, when you've held your friend's leg in one hand whilst he lies sobbing at you 10 feet away, when you've rescued families and children from a bombed cinema showing Mickey Mouse cartoons, when you've lived in a hole in the ground for two weeks, then you can talk about the Nazis. Sorry, got a bit serious there, but that term is bandied about too freely, IMHO. SҚ_ 13:36, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Hear hear. That's why calling Obama "commie" and "fascist" at Conservapedia really piss me off. SJ ^Debaser 16:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. BTW the ref to "Kill The Poor" in your sig seems kinda nice & topical given you're referring to CP. Jane Fonda sure convinced me. SҚ_ 16:28, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Ta. There's quite a few DK fans here. Myself, Totnesmartin, Gooniepunk, Ace, Pitchblack Mind. Unfortunately none of my friends in real life are into punk. SJ ^Debaser 16:37, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

What, all of a sudden I'm a punk un-person? I fart in your general direction. Aboriginal Noise ^{with 4 M's and a silent Q} 16:39, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Ah, yeah, I meant Abbey too. Sorry mate! SJ ^Debaser 16:41, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

See above for my trip to see Mr Biafra a short while ago - he wuz good. Also saw the pretend Kennedys in London last year, which was also good. I has pic of me with Klaus. Not worthy etc. SҚ_ 16:44, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Nougat delicious nougat

I am new. Please show me around and give me free gifts. Oh by the way..._Talk 16:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

OK, sorry - I'd be a crap person to ask. Unless you know me IRL. In which case hi. There's a page about Conservapedia, and there's a page about talking about Conservapedia, and I discovered a page about other stuff today. But my favourite is the one where they make the computer say things like Andy Schlafly says them. That makes me laugh. SҚ_ 16:32, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

We have a guide for newcomers, which should be linked to in the welcome template. If that's a bit longwinded and crap, I apologise. Or you can just go to the Saloon Bar and start ranting and raving about whatever takes your fancy, I suppose. ^{d hominem} 17:08, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Just to say if you want directions, avoid London Waterloo station round about ... say ... ah ... NOW. It's a festival of bastards. SҚ_ 17:17, 23 October 2009 (UTC)