RationalWiki's 2018 Fundraiser

There is no RationalWiki without you. We are a small non-profit with no staff — we are hundreds of volunteers who document pseudoscience and crankery around the world every day. We will never allow ads because we must remain independent. We cannot rely on big donors with corresponding big agendas. We are not the largest website around, but we believe we play an important role in defending truth and objectivity.

If everyone seeing this today donates $5, we will meet our goal for 2018.

Fighting pseudoscience isn't free.
We are 100% user-supported! Help and donate $5, $20 or whatever you can today with PayPal Logo.png!

Donations so far: $2397Goal: $5000

RationalWiki talk:What is going on at Citizendium?

From RationalWiki
Jump to: navigation, search

What is going on?

(talk) (talk) (talk) (talk) (hic)

As a point of etiquette, please use the [add topic] tab above, or the "Add new section" link below, when adding a new topic, and the appropriate [edit] tab when commenting on existing topics. This will lessen the incidence of edit conflicts. Thank you.

When adding a link to Citizendium, putting <capture></capture> around the link will cause a permanent backup in case the page is deleted or oversighted.

For non CZ-related talk, please mosey on over to the saloon bar.

This page is automatically archived by Archivist
Archives for this talk page: <1>, <2>, <3>, <4>, <5>, <6>, <7>

Somebody add this (Pulido had too many)[edit]


Manual of Style[edit]

To the anonymous, probably ex-CZ person: I do know about the capital letter, so I don't know what your point is. And nowhere do I use the word 'official', that's your invention. Ro Thorpe (talk) 05:16, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

What is the point of CZ now?[edit]

OK, so they have had yet another referendum and election (or at least tried to have an election — looks like no one wanted the job).

Let me see if I have this right; there is no longer an "Editorial Council". The merged Editorial and Management(?) council is also gone. The charter is basically gone, it's just a guideline now. Do they even have an "Editor" class anymore? The Managing Editor position is definitely gone, right? No one seemed to want the job even when the position was still there. Do "constables" still exist?

The charter still exists as "guidance" or something. So will they still keep running the sim-bureaucracy, with yearly elections and all that faff or has that finally stopped now?

What about new accounts; will you still need to provide your life story or will that finally change to something more sensible?

I mean, what is the point of CZ now? Is it just a crappy Wikipedia with real names or what? (talk) 13:37, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

18 days, no action[edit]

12 days into July, and there's nothing new. Just when I only recently discovered Citizendium... Guess it's pretty dead? The recent changes aren't looking too good. —Kazitor, pending 09:32, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

The site is dead. RationalWiki used to track the active users at Citizendium. When it stopped tracking edits back in 2013 there were something like 30 editors per month. These days there are basically only six regulars left on the site. I had a quick look to see what they normally do. Feel free to edit this if I got something wrong, or left something out.
Ro Thorpe 28 edits in the last 30 days. Most active user by far. Mostly spends time on his English spellings pages, which list lots of English words with spellings I have never seen before. He is often the only editor for an entire day.
Peter Jackson 11 edits in the last 30 days. Mostly works on Pali Canon and Brexit.
John Stephenson 8 edits in the last 30 days. Creates new user accounts and welcomes people who then rarely bother to make a single edit. Keeps updating the TopicalArticles template every so often for some reason. Used to handle the elections and referenda when Citizendium still had them.
Hayford Peirce 1 edit in the last 30 days. Manages Citizendium’s finances and updates the Financial report every month.
Anthony.Sebastian 1 edit in the last 30 days. The guy who’s got a major hard on for having verified real names. Now he only edits one or two days a month.
Martin Wyatt 1 edit in the last 30 days. First edit was in 2012. Edits maybe once or twice a month.
For years, CZ was only a bureaucracy sim, with elections, referendums, councils, voting, a “charter” and so on. But then last year they voted to get rid of all that stuff. The people never seemed too interested in the compendium part of the project, so I guess there is nothing for them to do on the site anymore.
Even if you think the ideas behind CZ are good ones, there's no future in CZ itself. Don't waste your time with it.
And to think, they waste a $100 per month for this nonsense. (talk) 13:01, 13 July 2017 (UTC)
I fear this WIGO mainly exists now to document their death, as an analysis of how a site like this dies. (talk) 17:30, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Don't you nerds have anything better to do?[edit]

Yeah we get it, CZ is moribund. How much longer are you gonna masturbate thinking about its downfall? Don't you nerds have anything better to do?— Unsigned, by: / talk

It only takes 2 minutes to check if there's been an edit, and you only need one person to do that. And you only need to do it every few days. You make it seem like there's whole dissertations of work done per day.-- Forerunner (talk) 18:18, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Yes, but what's the point of it? What are you trying to prove? — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
I can't believe the WIGO page is still active.—CheeseburgerPlate (talkstalk) 03:17, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
Humor, mostly. Watching CZ collapse under the bloated weight of its pointless and inept bureaucracy is quite amusing. RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:45, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
I jest, but I think we do this to demonstrate that building a top-heavy website with bureaucrats and hierarchy and subcommittees before having a very large user base is a bad idea. RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:47, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
If this is amusing to you, my friend , then you gotta get a life.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
On talk pages, please sign your comments using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking on the sign button: SigButt.png on the toolbar above the edit panel. (You can indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line.) Thank you. Christopher (talk) 17:35, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Why should I? I enjoy spending time on this site. I don't enjoy most people's idea of "getting a life," nor do I intend to do so beyond what is absolutely necessary. If it doesn't harm me, then why should I not have a life here? RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:12, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
Since people and their desires are generally the same, most people's idea of getting a life is correct. You would enjoy it if you gave it more than a half-hearted try. The life you have here is not real, and yes, it harms you by depriving you of necessary social skills. CZ is not going to be around forever to provide you the meagre entertainment that it does provide. (talk) 14:18, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
And when CZ is gone, there will be something else. CP, or 4chan, or someone. I am aware that this is not real (well, we are communicating, but our personae are fake. But I can function in society. I've had to learn how to do so, to be sure, but I know how to do it. Although you do raise an interesting point. One can't really opt out of society, even if it's hard for them to function in it. RoninMacbeth (talk) 15:21, 6 September 2017 (UTC)