Talk:Alcohol

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UNMERGED ARTICLE This article was identified as a possible duplicate of Ethanol, but it was decided to keep the articles separate.

German Perspective

I notice that this appears to be lacking in this article. Anybody have an idea of what it is? Jsonitsac (talk) 02:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Ask Sid 03:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC) ^Contribs_Talk

Mission

It is on mission, relating to medical woo and, er, stuff. Blue (is useful) 19:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

More on mission than Don Cherry and Answerbag?Civic Cat (talk) 19:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I can't speak for Don Cherry but definitely more than Answerbag. ^gnostic 19:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes to both. Blue (pester) 19:54, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Alcohol is a common recreational drug. Don Cherry is possibly Canada's best known right-wing hack and Answerbag is an example of media and authoritarianism. But maybe I should check some of RW categories for even less worthy sites.Civic Cat (talk) 19:58, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Added a note about prohibition which, I would submit, brings the article more on mission. Those with more knowledge about prohibition and its consequence may want to contribute more and perhaps remove the template. ^{— Unsigned, by: Bob M / talk / contribs}

(EC)Ah, but the article on Cherry that you wrote made no such identification. Blue (pester) 20:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I find it ironic that a mission doubt tag has been added to this page when it is alcohol that fuels our mission. Ace Mc^fuckingAwesome 20:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

If you are going to talk about prohibition of alcohol, how about the current prohibition on marijuana--presuming one doesn't exist. As for Don Cherry, I guess it's how it got quickly jumped on, and by fellow Canadians at that.Civic Cat (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I know nothing of these cherries you speak of. Ace Mc^fuckingAwesome 20:30, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

and I rather not know.  :-D  about 50 seconds into the video.Civic Cat (talk) 20:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Alcohol woo

Thinking about this some more there is a vast amount of misinformation about this subject. Does mixing your drinks make you drunk faster? Does if help you with sex (although your gender and definition of "help" may may produce different answers.)? Does drinking make you fat? Will coffee sober you up? Exactly what mechanism does alcohol use to get you inebriated? Answers in the article please not here - I'm off to bed to sleep off a six pack.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 22:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought we were going to have a nice conversation about all that stuff right here. Then you shot me down with your, "answers in the article please not here." I've known people to get drunk faster off mixing drinks. Saying being drunk makes sex better are obviously the words of liberal atheists. Even if it is true. SJ ^Debaser 22:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

It's not been shown that mixing makes anyone drunk faster. The only way to make you drunk faster (leveling all other factors such as whether you've eaten, your body mass and general tolerance) is to drink faster. If anything, cocktails alter the taste so you drink them faster - I've certainly inhaled some tasty things in a few minutes. And as for mixing shots and beer, who drinks a shot at the same rate as they'd drink a beer? It comes not from mixing but from the fact you're drinking a normal quantity of alcohol and then adding 25 ml shots on top of it that take up no time at all. ^gnostic 15:40, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Done. I suppose I should cite it, I'm just using a combination of episodes of QI and personal experience. ^gnostic 16:12, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Multi-shot stealth mixed drinks (I'm looking at you, Long Island Iced Tea) have the ability to get me hammered before I'm aware of it. Not liking the feeling, I don't do that any more.

I wonder if this article ought to address the mixing of alcohol with stimulating fizzy "energy" drinks à la Four Loko. Once or twice I have awoken to find items strangely distributed in my living space, after mixing Red Bull with 151° rum. Not useful as a regular occurrence; I only did it for science's sake. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps. I'm just starting to think we'd need to draw the line between "urban myth" and "pseudoscience". A number of other sites already do the urban myth stuff quite well.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 17:55, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Not sure it is either pseudoscience or urban myth, as far as energy drinks mixed with alcohol go. See here, for example, which contains a further link to Scientific American, not known to be a purveyor of woo. "A far cry from the old rum and Coke" as they say, and "blackout in a can" is consistent with my limited experience. "It turns out it all comes down to dopamine, the wily little neurotransmitter responsible for feelings of reward and motivation, and which is intimately tied up in cocaine and heroin addiction."

Not that it relates to the mission in any way I can easily grasp... Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Got to say that the Scientific American article smacks a bit of moral panic to me. So it's cheap alcohol which makes it easy for kids to drink too much of it. OK 12% is high for that sort of drink but a handful of beers go up there and a lot of wine is there or higher and it's not that unusual for adults to drink more than a bottle of that. OK the caffeine makes a difference although it never seems to do anything to me. Although your example of red bull with super power rum is probably a different category.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 19:14, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I suspect the Red Bull has more to do with it than the high-test rum. Rum is rum, whether watery or compact. Red Bull, on the other hand, seems qualitatively different than coffee or Coca-Cola or Mountain Dew. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 20:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Alcohol and Christianity

A lot of Christian fundamentalist denominations are anti-alcohol, citing Proverbs 20:1. Well, here's another verse in Proverbs that they will never point out:

“”Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish! Let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.

—Proverbs 31:6-7

—ShapeshiftingLizard ~▲~ hear me roar ~▲~ 05:04, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

It reads more like some sort of classism/(hen) motherly advice when read in the context of 31:1-5 (the mother of the king giving him a stern lecture about the evils of boozing and saying that it's only for the rubes farther down the societal pile). True to both biblical and mother-in-law clichés, the kingly mother also warns her son about all those untrustworthy hussies out there... ScepticWombat (talk) 07:38, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Cancer after the first drop

What about the WHO study that suggest that there's no healthy way to drink alcohol? https://www.thelancet.com/action/showPdf?pii=S1470-2045%2821%2900279-5 --Äxl (talk) 14:38, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

I think the article is outdated. Recent evidence suggests that no amount of alcohol can be considered healthy as far as I'm aware. GeeJayK^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 14:40, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you have a citation for that, @GeeJayK? Bongolian (talk) 17:54, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

@Bongolian I think the World Health Organization, probably the most reliable institution regarding the consensus on the subject, published a report claiming that alcohol is always unhealthy. I'll take a look later, pretty busy right now. GeeJayK^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 11:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@GeeJayK It's the link I gave. And I also think Bongolian's problem is that you forgot a "no" in your first reply. --Äxl (talk) 12:16, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

@Äxl Ooops, sorry. GeeJayK^{Where all evil dwells} _{Where every lie is true} 13:04, 27 March 2024 (UTC)