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This article was identified as a possible duplicate of Ethanol, but it was decided to keep the articles separate.

I'm sure we had an article on this but I can't find it under fun or anywhere else. --Bobbing up 15:31, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Maybe you're thinking of Fun:Beer? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 15:40, 18 November 2007 (EST)
I guess I must have been.  :-) Meanwhile the article now reads: "Meanwhile, the British often claim to produce the best beer in the world, but this is easily refuted as pure delusion. After all, if it was the best, they wouldn't be serving it at room temperature, would they?"
This is explained in the article itself. It is not necessary to chill British beer as that would destroy the flavour. I shall revert this presently if no facts are forthcoming to substantiate this deceit.--Bobbing up 16:08, 18 November 2007 (EST)
More deceit Sir!! your link leads to: 500 Internal Server Error Godspeed!--Bobbing up 16:18, 18 November 2007 (EST)
I'm afraid you'll have to take that discussion with your ISP, good Sir, as it displays perfectly for me. As for the question of the quality of English beer, and the proper temperature at which to serve it, I can only say that I believe that the two beer sections currently match each other quite well in terms of overall factual accuracy. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:21, 18 November 2007 (EST)
Sir: I must object to the "Huddersfield & District Branch Beers from the Top of the World" being used as a source for the quality of British beer on the grounds that it was written by an Englishman who obviously wouldn't recognize a real beer if it bit him in the buttocks. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:33, 18 November 2007 (EST)
Dear European person, who better to evaluate British beer than the people who drink it? Were the rest of the continent to use the pound Stirling and learn to drive on the left, they too could learn to appreciate fine British beer.--Bobbing up 16:40, 18 November 2007 (EST)
Dear descendant of the proud Anglo-Saxons: I can only assume that the uncountable idiosyncracies of the British people, of which these strange beer-related ways are by no means the least, are somehow the result of the fact that you have been detained on that archipelago of yours for far too long. You should really come over and join the rest of us in the real world sometimes. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 16:45, 18 November 2007 (EST)
When the rest of the world realises the error of its ways they will be welcome to share the pleasures of pounds, ounces, miles, gallons and the Fahrenheit scale. One day soon the Euro will betray you and once again it will be the responsibility of UK beer drinkers to pick up the pieces in europe and save it from itself. (Actually I can't write much more of this, I feel ill.)--Bobbing up 16:54, 18 November 2007 (EST)

On the fun side of beer, has anyone else tried Monty Python's Holy Grail? It's excellent stuff. Also for a Canadian perspective, Devil's Pale Ale is terrific. Best canned beer I've had, seriously. --Kels 16:37, 18 November 2007 (EST)

For some reason I was expecting at least some wine-tasting fine appreciation types on this site of intellectuals. Guess I was wrong. :P Nullahnung (talk) 07:51, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Carbonization[edit]

Of course, anyone who's done any home brewing will know that forced carbonization of beer is a poor substitute for natural carbonization provided by the little yeasty beasties. --Kels 16:39, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Absolutely right Kels. Beer served with top pressure is an abomination. --Bobbing up 16:55, 18 November 2007 (EST)
An unfortunate side effect of the mass market. --Kels 16:59, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Evil?[edit]

Why is this in the evil category even though you aren't fundamentalist retards?

I believe it's irony. Researcher 22:09, 20 November 2007 (EST)

A warning[edit]

Shouldn't there be a warning that you must not drink alcohol at all at ages 18-21 or you will become an alcohol abuser [1]?

Didn't happen to me.--Bobbing up 12:17, 12 December 2007 (EST)

German Perspective[edit]

I notice that this appears to be lacking in this article. Anybody have an idea of what it is? Jsonitsac (talk) 02:58, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Ask Sid 03:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC) SusanGContribsTalk

References[edit]

  1. http://www.conservapedia.com/Alcohol_abuse

Mission[edit]

It is on mission, relating to medical woo and, er, stuff. Blue Talk 19:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

More on mission than Don Cherry and Answerbag?Civic Cat (talk) 19:44, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I can't speak for Don Cherry but definitely more than Answerbag. Scarlet A.pngsshole 19:46, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Yes to both. Blue Talk 19:54, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Alcohol is a common recreational drug. Don Cherry is possibly Canada's best known right-wing hack and Answerbag is an example of media and authoritarianism. But maybe I should check some of RW categories for even less worthy sites.Civic Cat (talk) 19:58, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
Added a note about prohibition which, I would submit, brings the article more on mission. Those with more knowledge about prohibition and its consequence may want to contribute more and perhaps remove the template. — Unsigned, by: Bob M / talk / contribs
(EC)Ah, but the article on Cherry that you wrote made no such identification. Blue Talk 20:12, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I find it ironic that a mission doubt tag has been added to this page when it is alcohol that fuels our mission. Ace McfuckingAwesome 20:26, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
If you are going to talk about prohibition of alcohol, how about the current prohibition on marijuana--presuming one doesn't exist. As for Don Cherry, I guess it's how it got quickly jumped on, and by fellow Canadians at that.Civic Cat (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I know nothing of these cherries you speak of. Ace McfuckingAwesome 20:30, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

and I rather not know.  :-D  about 50 seconds into the video.Civic Cat (talk) 20:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Alcohol woo[edit]

Thinking about this some more there is a vast amount of misinformation about this subject. Does mixing your drinks make you drunk faster? Does if help you with sex (although your gender and definition of "help" may may produce different answers.)? Does drinking make you fat? Will coffee sober you up? Exactly what mechanism does alcohol use to get you inebriated? Answers in the article please not here - I'm off to bed to sleep off a six pack.--BobSpring is sprung! 22:39, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

I thought we were going to have a nice conversation about all that stuff right here. Then you shot me down with your, "answers in the article please not here." I've known people to get drunk faster off mixing drinks. Saying being drunk makes sex better are obviously the words of liberal atheists. Even if it is true. SJ Debaser 22:42, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
It's not been shown that mixing makes anyone drunk faster. The only way to make you drunk faster (leveling all other factors such as whether you've eaten, your body mass and general tolerance) is to drink faster. If anything, cocktails alter the taste so you drink them faster - I've certainly inhaled some tasty things in a few minutes. And as for mixing shots and beer, who drinks a shot at the same rate as they'd drink a beer? It comes not from mixing but from the fact you're drinking a normal quantity of alcohol and then adding 25 ml shots on top of it that take up no time at all. Scarlet A.pngsshole 15:40, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Done. I suppose I should cite it, I'm just using a combination of episodes of QI and personal experience. Scarlet A.pngsshole 16:12, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Multi-shot stealth mixed drinks (I'm looking at you, Long Island Iced Tea) have the ability to get me hammered before I'm aware of it. Not liking the feeling, I don't do that any more.
I wonder if this article ought to address the mixing of alcohol with stimulating fizzy "energy" drinks à la Four Loko. Once or twice I have awoken to find items strangely distributed in my living space, after mixing Red Bull with 151° rum. Not useful as a regular occurrence; I only did it for science's sake. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 16:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps. I'm just starting to think we'd need to draw the line between "urban myth" and "pseudoscience". A number of other sites already do the urban myth stuff quite well.--BobSpring is sprung! 17:55, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Not sure it is either pseudoscience or urban myth, as far as energy drinks mixed with alcohol go. See here, for example, which contains a further link to Scientific American, not known to be a purveyor of woo. "A far cry from the old rum and Coke" as they say, and "blackout in a can" is consistent with my limited experience. "It turns out it all comes down to dopamine, the wily little neurotransmitter responsible for feelings of reward and motivation, and which is intimately tied up in cocaine and heroin addiction."

Not that it relates to the mission in any way I can easily grasp... Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Got to say that the Scientific American article smacks a bit of moral panic to me. So it's cheap alcohol which makes it easy for kids to drink too much of it. OK 12% is high for that sort of drink but a handful of beers go up there and a lot of wine is there or higher and it's not that unusual for adults to drink more than a bottle of that. OK the caffeine makes a difference although it never seems to do anything to me. Although your example of red bull with super power rum is probably a different category.--BobSpring is sprung! 19:14, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I suspect the Red Bull has more to do with it than the high-test rum. Rum is rum, whether watery or compact. Red Bull, on the other hand, seems qualitatively different than coffee or Coca-Cola or Mountain Dew. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 20:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Alcohol and Christianity[edit]

A lot of Christian fundamentalist denominations are anti-alcohol, citing Proverbs 20:1. Well, here's another verse in Proverbs that they will never point out:

Let beer be for those who are perishing, wine for those who are in anguish! Let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.
Proverbs 31:6-7
ShapeshiftingLizard ~▲~ hear me roar ~▲~ 05:04, 11 September 2015 (UTC)
It reads more like some sort of classism/(hen) motherly advice when read in the context of 31:1-5 (the mother of the king giving him a stern lecture about the evils of boozing and saying that it's only for the rubes farther down the societal pile). True to both biblical and mother-in-law clichés, the kingly mother also warns her son about all those untrustworthy hussies out there... ScepticWombat (talk) 07:38, 11 September 2015 (UTC)