Talk:Alien abduction

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Criteria for abduction[edit]

Assuming there are aliens, in ftl spaceships, wishing to study Homo Sapiens - surely they would take a more representatives sample of the natives (and a number of 'known technical experts' for information purposes) (talk) 19:26, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Some not-so-unfounded criticism[edit]

You write: Although a scary experience, anyone aware of the fact will relax and quickly wake and gain control of their body, while more impressionable people may panic and begin to confuse reality with their previous dreams. Or, you could use your sleep paralysis for your advantage and attempt to enter a lucid dream. Thus, you draw conclusion regarding someones CHARACTER, based on how well he or she is able to fend off sleep paralysis effects ("more impressionable") I wonder, whether the author of that article, has EVER spent more than 30 minutes researching sleep paralysis/alien abduction. Although I appreciate the general idea of this wiki, this phrase is pretty offending and biased. And absolutely NOT rational or "evidence based".— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

So you are saying we should be studying alien abduction more?Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 16:24, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
"Evidence based"? There is evidence of alien abduction? Do tell. VOXHUMANA 00:49, 27 March 2013 (UTC)
Considering the lack of more hard evidence to suggest abduction is real, and the facts known about sleep paralysis, then explaining abduction as a case of impressionable people mistaking the phenomenon for aliens or demonic possession is in line with the evidence overall. Given a low prior probability for alien abduction, it makes the impressionable nature of someone very much fair game as an explanation. It's not passing judgement at all. Scarlet A.pngpathetic 16:24, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Too American?[edit]

I think this article is too US-centric. There are numerous supposed examples from elsewhere, notably Villas-Boas of Brazil and Robert Taylor of Scotlland. Neither encountered greys either.Albannach (talk) 00:39, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Good point - though while those two guys were not visited by greys, they weren't actually visited by aliens of any other kind either. Still, I agree the article needs more of a worldwide view of the topic. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:17, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Is this wiki really rational?[edit]

Recently I added a paragraph about a simple fact, If someone really believes to have been kidnapped by aliens, there can be multiple causes, one cause could be in example that some people used some drugs and scene costumes to play a bad joke. Someone removed it telling "not possible", then I ask, how is not possible people play such bad joke? it is very possible, and anyway it could be just another argument against "alien abduction". I'd like to discuss that here instead of just seeing my change rolledback with a statement like "impossible" because even if there are no documented cases, it is very possible. Syllabus (talk) 15:38, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

"But I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki!" Drink!
Plus, your grammar was truly horrible.--JorisEnter (talk) 15:46, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Unless you can give specific examples backed by reputable sources, your abduction fetish fantasy does not belong. Petey Plane (talk) 15:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Does missing any documented case makes my claims impossible? others explainations are based on considerations too, though this is not a new hypotesis (((FROM WIKIPEDIA: It has also been noted that Terence McKenna described seeing "Machine Elves" while experimenting with Dimethyltryptamine (also known as DMT). In studies conducted from 1990–1995 at University of New Mexico, psychiatrist Rick Strassman found that approximately 20 percent of volunteers injected with high doses of DMT had experiences similar to purported Alien Abductions). Drugs can make people have Alien experiences))). Syllabus (talk) 16:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Still sorry for bad grammar ;). Please don't be derogatory. Syllabus (talk) 16:07, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Fix the grammar and add a documented case of an alien abduction turning out to be drugs. There are plenty, im sure. StickySock (talk) 16:15, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for being rational! Incidentally searching for that made me to discover something usefull for another page :) Syllabus (talk) 16:28, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
It's not hard with accurate and evidence based contributions. Articles should look closer to final drafts rather than first so rollbacks/undos are standard and issues can be taken here when needed...which was done. I am a bit concerned because there's a vast chasm of difference between your addition not making it and the entire site and everyone that is/has been making contributions having a systematic bias because yours got rolled back. Beware doing so, especially as an opening salvo, because that's the standard procedure for those with...well...less than stellar cognitive function. Sometimes the way you say things is as important as what you say and I'd like to see people with potential improve. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 17:06, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

I put in the bits about the drugs -- but not about the abductions, I doubt that happens very often. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 17:14, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

It seems very likely to happen often to those who are inclined to believe and taking hallucinogens, at least once. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 17:53, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
A person I know was coming back drunk and confused christmas lights with an UFO, so everything is possible Syllabus (talk) 08:50, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
Jesus is an alien. --Ymir (talk) 08:53, 17 May 2016 (UTC)

Sleep paralysis[edit]

I tend to agree that the word "impressionable" regarding people who suffer from delusions when experiencing sleep paralysis is somewhat loaded language. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

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Survivorship bias[edit]

Tongue in cheek, but still: we don't hear from people who were studied beyond anal probing, because they must survive first, and being vivisected to study liver or lungs can be fatal (yes, today it's easier to do a biopsy, I know). I'm arguing only wording - such a blanket dismissal sounds too arrogant, as if you've been trying to arrive at already presupposed conclusion, *wink-wink*.— Unsigned, by: Arisano / talk / contribs

Selection procedures[edit]

'Given the size of the universe' it is perfectly logical to assume that if sentient life has evolved once and has started a 'very basic space exploration program' then there may be other such elsewhere.

It might be possible that one or more such species has developed viable space travel (as distinct from creating daughter populations, exodus from doomed planet and similar scenarios); if they do so 'we have spaceships, will explore the universe' (and other capable species join in) is likely - see Earth historical books 'The Age of Exploration' etc.

They might then analyse 'potential space-going races' with a view to long term interaction - but the people who claim they have been abducted seem to be the least appropriate for research purposes. (Are they even asked for feedback/further information - even 'persons in the street' would be able to mention blood groups, 'glasses and other medical paraphenalia' etc). Anna Livia (talk) 13:36, 25 November 2021 (UTC)