Talk:Law enforcement

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Move to fun

I think there is no way this belongs in the mainspace. Unless there are any objections, I'm going to move it and then create a mainspace article on this topic. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 17:15, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, fun it up. Aboriginal Noise ^{with 4 M's and a silent Q} 17:18, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Better yet, just rewrite it from scratch. No need for a separate "fun" article. Secret Squirrel 17:51, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Not very good article. If teh CP-centric part was removed there'd be nothing. ħuman 04:45, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Proposed deletion.

Nothing to this. Ace^X-102 22:29, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Mmm ... whacker is the closest we come to missionality on the general subject - David Gerard (talk) 23:08, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Potential resource

"...plans amount to an attempt by the police to put themselves beyond the rule of law and undermine constitutional safeguards against abuses of power." Police state?

Posted by Toast at the SB, copied here for posteriority and usefulness. ħuman 02:59, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

This article desperately needs improvement

As the name of the topic suggests, this article ^{(at the time of this posting)} is in desperate need of improvement. It is little more than a complaint that law enforcement can be perverted by the power hungry (which never happens with any of the other systems humanity has created). Furthermore, it doesn't even contain any snark (or humor of any kind, as far as I can tell). Is anyone working on this, or should I add it to my project list? - Gameboy (talk) 20:36, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

"The police was made just to protect the establishment!"

Hi, I've seen this claim on the internet multitudes of times, but I feel like it has dubious origins. Searches relating to this statement on the web return some pretty fringe-looking websites and strange articles, while Wikipedia's article on the police itself doesn't really mention it or use quotes about it and instead presents it to be an evolution of past techniques into a modern setting. And our own wiki doesn't really mention it either, being pretty neutral about the entire thing (though to be fair it's not that well-written and the history section makes up only one sentence). I'd like to look more into the statement about the modern police's primary point protecting the wealthy before I jump into any conclusions. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 18:31, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Well, it's pretty subjective. Would you view Maximillian I's attempts to create a national Holy Roman identity through local police forces in an attempt to maintain support for the 30 years' war "protecting the establishment" That's one of the earliest recorded examples of organized, structured police forces separate from military. The leftists in question also tend to be a bit amerocentric, in discussing fugitive slave patrols as the earliest organized structured policing in the US, but it is a pretty sound example. Of course that overlooks para-organized groups with policing responsibility that predate slave patrols like the Boston Night Watch. It comes down to how you define "made" "just to" "police" and "protect the establishment" whether you buy into the historicity of that narrative. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 19:13, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. So I suppose that the statement has a grain of truth to it in some fashion, but it depends on the angle you view it and what classifies the influence of today's modern police, organized or not. Is there any material I can read about that goes into this, as it seems more complicated than a simple reading on Wikipedia or on internet articles? I think addressing the claim is something worth adding to the article though I'm not exactly sure where. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓^(T|C) 19:26, 7 August 2019 (UTC)

LAPD deputies have a clique problem

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-08-04/sheriff-deputy-clique-payouts

Particularly, there are lawsuits targeted to deputies involved in some shady exclusionary cliques that glorify aggression and police brutality. There has been 60 cases involving eight cliques.

More recently, a sheriff’s deputy filed a claim alleging that the Executioners clique, which is not named in the county report, essentially runs the Compton sheriff’s station.

Austreberto Gonzalez’s claim, the precursor to lawsuit, alleges that the group numbers about 20 deputies, while 20 more are prospects or associates. Many work at night, the claim says, and communicate through WhatsApp. Black and female deputies are not allowed in the clique, the claim says.

The claim says the group sports tattoos of a skull with Nazi imagery and an AK-47 and celebrate deputy shootings and the induction of new members with “inking parties.”

In recent years, the claim says, its members were involved in illegal arrest quotas and threatened work slowdowns — which involve ignoring or responding slowly to calls — when they did not get preferred assignments.

Gonzalez alleges in his claim that members of the gang retaliated against him after he reported fellow deputy for assaulting a colleague.

It's so goddamn rotten. And it's not new. I see documentation of this since earlier, see the Vox article.

--It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 00:05, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

Which country (not counting authoritarian/totalitarian dictatorships) has the most corrupt police?

All countries no matter how liberal, can have heavily corrupt cops. Which country has the worst of the worst corrupt police. --Channel 48 EAS (talk) 02:25, 9 November 2021 (UTC)

Extremely US centric

While this is an issue with not just this article, this article might as well be renamed to Law enforcement in the United States. Pretty much all cited cases and all criticism applies to problems the United States has with their law enforcement. Therefore, I think it heavily misses the mark for countries where the police force has not been militarized to hell and back. Personally I'd suggest splitting off the article, but that would make this one kind of a stub. -- Techpriest (talk) 13:36, 7 April 2022 (UTC)