Talk:Manhattan Institute

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Project

What is their 'project'? 86.191.125.198 (talk) 12:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

The “project” of the Manhattan Institute and its house organ City Journal is to promote white supremacy.^{— Unsigned, by: 2600:387:3:803::96 / talk}

Blowback

I find it deeply ironic that their shitty opinion piece about us has led to us heavily expanding the article on them. Carthage (talk) 02:25, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

It's not the first time something like that has happened on RationalWiki! Two days ago, I couldn't have told you what Manhattan Institute or City Journal were without looking them up. Bongolian (talk) 02:28, 10 July 2023 (UTC)

Pinkerite

Some blog posts that shed light on the City Journal article:

• https://www.pinkerite.com/2022/08/did-city-journal-and-cancel-watch-hatch.html
• https://www.pinkerite.com/2023/07/who-is-city-journals-david-zimmerman.html 104.236.67.116 (talk) 10:22, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Seems 'David Zimmerman' is a fake name and the article writer is the same person behind Cancel Watch. They then blackmailed and threatened the (ex?)RationalWiki admin to delete articles here or would publish the article on him. Is mentioned on the page that the admin was supposedly banned in 2019 so that might explain why they could not do anything to remove the articles. 104.236.67.116 (talk) 10:33, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

I remember when Smith tried to get articles deleted back in 2021 (at the bottom you'll also see a link to him working on that in 2018). He got a few deleted for being about online drama pointless to cover before he (or perhaps a meatpuppet) got banned again. He's failed to delete some articles when he had no argument against them other than other people being pissed at the articles existing. I was new here 2 years ago, and after, I haven't cared to follow Smith drama, beyond noting that some admins have banned new users as being Smith socks. I think usually, Smith socks appear at the same time as Mikey socks, the two arguing and both being booted off the site. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 18:08, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

It quickly became clear that when these type of shitstorms flared up here that no one could actually verify if the participants were "Smith" or a Mikeysock or one or more of any other trolls. That's why the de-facto policy here is just to ban them all on sight. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 18:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Smith v. Manhattan Institute for Policy Research (1:23-cv-06143)

https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67613060/smith-v-manhattan-institute-for-policy-research/ 139.180.167.186 (talk) 00:50, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

I tried searching for the City Journal article about Smith but it appears is now deleted? Any clues what is going on? Is it usual for a publisher to delete an article during/pending a lawsuit, even at beginning stage? I have not seen that before. Normally won't publisher delete an alleged defamatory article only if there is a judgment against them at end of litigation? I searched for the article but it has been completely removed from the site and it has also been removed from Zimmerman's profile. 45.77.51.59 (talk) 22:38, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Archived. —cosmikdebris ^talk stalk 22:43, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

It's not that untypical. At the least, publishers will buckle and edit the story. In this case, consider that this may simply be an exercise in editorial controls. Somebody may have taken a look at the article and realized it was not quality, so had it removed. Other than the legal heat, the publication's overall reliability is now being scrutinized by Wikipedia because of this particular article which I can't imagine they found desirable. But it's hard to read their intentions since they didn't seem to put out a statement about it. Chillpilled (talk) 17:48, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Is "cancel culture" really the best heading for the "Cancel Watch" section?Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 15:21, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

No, but it should be 'Cancel Courts come for Cancel Watch' A somebody. (talk) 17:55, 21 July 2023 (UTC)

Reliable sources/Noticeboard Wikipedia for City Journal

Hi,

I noticed this discussion and vote currently going on. If there are any RationalWiki mods here with accounts on Wikipedia, I would suggest voting to deprecate City Journal and Manhattan Institute (Option 4: Publishes false or fabricated information and should be deprecated.):

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#RfC_to_deprecate_City_Journal_and_The_Manhattan_Institute

It appears no one has even mentioned there Manhattan Institute/City Journal are being sued over the retracted article.149.28.174.234 (talk) 17:53, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

One article about a silly Wikidrama feud does not in itself make a problem. The Wiki folks will sort it out.

In the past, I would have said "option 2" would be best, as they were a heavily conservative / libertarian outlet, willing to bend facts for certain corporatism (and other issues), but reasonably factual overall. This mirrors the Media Bias rating.

However, reviewing archives, it seems that in recent years, City Journal has heavily shifted into moral panic and hysterics over critical race theory, woke, and transgender. It is very possible that the institute now is less a corporatism think thank and more just another shitty culture war group. Shifts like this can coincide with a decline in factual quality (see Zero Hedge). If this is the case, then the crappy Wikidrama article might be more symptom then cause. BobJohnson (talk) 21:10, 30 July 2023 (UTC)