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You're an Admin. Тyrannosaurs 15:49, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

One and the same?

El TajDon't make me do stuff 12:41, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

My parents were calling me Spud long before that film was made or the book that it was based on was written.--Spud (talk) 15:58, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
Just checking. In the book that actually happens to Davie, not Spud. I'm glad you've not had to go through it. El TajDon't make me do stuff 13:20, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Recent changes

I'm sick and tired of you clogging up recent changes with minor edits. So I've made you a ninja, this means that you can 'bot' yourself when doing minor housekeeping. Please remember to un-bot yourself when you want to make substantive edits. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic?Moderator 10:20, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Please respond on the original page rather than starting a new thread as it avoids ping-pong conversations. Also, I wasn't totally serious in my choice of words. Redchuck.gif ГенгисIs the Pope a Catholic?Moderator 11:55, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Your work

Velkopopovický Kozel.jpg For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, Tyrannis
has awarded you some beer. Look it has a goat on the label!

Тytalk 13:41, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

I think that's a compliment. Thanks. A nice cold bottle of beer sure would be nice right about now.--Spud (talk) 13:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
I'd drop you the "cookie" one, but I've completely forgotten where that template is. Scarlet A.pngsshole 13:40, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's a compliment if ever there was one. Thanks!--Spud (talk) 13:45, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

[[Douglas Weller]]

Just wrote this on Tyrannis's page: Sorry, tried to create an account but failed. Not exactly happy to see all that nonsense about me. In fact, I'd rather have the article deleted, I don't seek publicity. I've edited it to remove some flat out lies and straighten out some confusion, but as I said, I'd refer it to be deleted. I'm on Wikipedia and you can email me from my talk page if you want to verify who I am. Thanks. I'll copy this to Spud's page as he's also edited that article. Doug Weller

Set up an account now, my email probably works. Dougweller (talk) 13:11, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your post

No problem, I didn't assume you were approving the article on me. Dougweller (talk) 08:41, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

You're Welcome

Hi, thank you for your kind words and I am glad Tokyo Classified was useful for you! Funnily enough I just got unblocked from Wikipedia yesterday, after a five year shut out (very long story). I left Japan five years ago and live in the U.S. now and have been working on a few projects, including my wiki which I just launched last week. I just found RationalWiki yesterday and it looks interesting so I'll lurk around for a bit and see how it goes. Sparkzilla (talk) 05:42, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


On Raëlism you described it as a cult. I think this is disparaging and deorotary. Alternative religions have enough condemnation from the mainstream religions as it is, but now an encyclopedia also has to use this term? Can you self-revert please? (talk) 14:39, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

In case you are under the mistaken impression that this is Wikipedia - it is not, it's RationalWiki. And RationalWiki is not an encyclopedia. (Also note: I'm not Spud.)--ZooGuard (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
And I'm not Spud and neither is my wife. Scarlet A.pngtheistModerator 14:52, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm Spartacus Spud and ZooGuard is right. We are not in the encyclopedia business here nor are we in the fair and balanced business. Some BoNs have got to learn what they're talking about. Spud (talk) 15:53, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Why is all the rum gone???

Seriously, the rum is all gone. Why is it gone??? Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 11:52, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

It's nice to get a message, even if I haven't got a clue what it means.--Spud (talk) 11:55, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
No good! Why is the rum gone??? Also, mashed potatoes are awesome. Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 11:57, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, they are! It's just struck me that there could be a reference to the vintage New Year postcard I put on my user page. I hope so.--Spud (talk) 12:00, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
There could be. There could be. Reckless Noise Symphony (talk) 12:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)


You asked wheher Kutub al-Sittah provides fodder for Islamophobes. Well, yes it does, for instance allegations of peodphilia by Muhammad come not from the Quran but from Sahih Bukhari which is in Kutub al-Sittah. Futhermore, the majority of sharia law is based on these books. Pass a Method (talk) 16:13, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, don't put that on my talk page. Put it in the article! And I second the "knock off the stubs."--Spud (talk) 16:17, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Hy, i updated the Kutub al-Sittah per your wish. Pass a Method (talk) 21:51, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Removing content

Spud wrote [1]: "I'm not Forests but I'm undoing that. It is not the done thing to remove content from wiki talk pages, EVER!"

Sorry, didn't know that. Max (talk) 12:45, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

You do now, Princey! Spud (talk) 12:44, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
Yup. :) Max (talk) 12:45, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Sorry rolled back one of your edits, an error on my part , I clicked on rollback not aware of its true function, I am new to this wiki so forgive me for my blunder. Namby (talk) 18:12, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Alien vs ET

I notice you've changed alien to extraterrestrial in many cases. This is generally the right perception, but it is worth pointing out that not all UFOlogists consider them to be extraterrestrial. (Other than imaginary) Extradimensional and Ultraterrestrial are the other alternatives.--Albannach (talk) 14:07, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

The reason I've changed the link, not the wording, I've left it as [[Extraterrestrial|aliens]], is because the Alien page isn't about creatures from other planets or other dimensions, it's about foreigners. I'm not trying to be pedantic about what the little green men should be called, I just don't want the link to go to the wrong page. Spud (talk) 03:30, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Less Wrong

With respect to Julia Galef. Why do you think it appropriate to call Less Wronger's crackpots?

I don't know a goddamn thing about LessWrong but you seem to be mistaking this wiki for one with a neutral point of view and trying to remove bias. That's not the way it works here. Spud (talk) 14:13, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Isn't it fundamental part of rationality to remove bias? Funny name for a wiki that doesn't.LaochCailiuil (talk) 15:27, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
"But I thought this was supposed to be Rational Wiki." Drink! Spud (talk) 14:36, 13 May 2013 (UTC)
Well, LessWrong isn't the be-all and end-all of rationality (neither is RW, since you're asking) and the fact is that many of the more... esoteric ideas don't stack up to much. Yudkowsky's core ideas on rationality and using Bayes-like updating of your beliefs are fine (the philosophy of language stuff is also fine, but is mostly a rehash of Wittgenstein and/or Quine anyway), but the nano-tech, cryonics and singularitarian AI stuff don't stack up to fact, and the quantum mechanics stuff - speaking as someone who actually deals with that quite frequently in a professional capacity - isn't up to much and is very, very badly explained. There are very few people here who actually refer to LW (as a whole) "as crackpots" (two, in fact) and most treat it with the same level of "good, but..." that you should do for any source. Scarlet A.pnggnostic 15:28, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Blaming the victim

Why are you reverting my edits? Alliumnsk (talk) 14:13, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

They suck. Take your persecution complex somewhere else--"Shut up, Brx." 14:17, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, Brx is right for once. Spud (talk) 02:40, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Why did you revert my latest edit to the Pandeism page?

I was trying to eliminate potential bias in the article by removing the last part detailing the second theory (that God destroyed itself).

Kuu (talk) 00:24, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Because RationalWiki pages are not supposed to be unbiased. Spud (talk) 05:53, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Why I want to archive the old discussion

There’s a lot of pointless and incorrect speculation (some of which is my incorrect speculation) on this talk page. That’s why I wanted to archive it: I don’t think it’s fair to other editors to read reams of my stream of thought as I come up with a good refutation to Lisle’s notions.

The Anisotropic synchrony convention (ASC) is a perfectly acceptable, albeit obscure, sub-branch of special relativity, so questions like “What about the Maxwell’s equations that use the speed of light?” miss the point.

In addition, there has been a misconception that Lisle has proposed a geocentric Anisotropic synchrony convention (light travels infinitely fast towards Earth, at other speeds elsewhere). This is not what Lisle proposed; he proposes that, for anyone anywhere in the universe, light travels infinitely fast towards them and at the speed of c/2 away from them. It seems bizarre, but special relativity allows it.

The problem with Lisle’s paper is not the ASC. The ASC is, if you will, the distraction while Lisle pulls his slight of hand elsewhere. The slight of hand is this: Lisle is proposing that the entire universe was created about 6,000 years ago (“everything in the universe was made in the span of six days [...] this creation happened a few thousand (roughly 6,000) years ago [...] God tells us that the stars were created on the fourth day to give light upon the earth” Lisle 2010) with the artificial appearance of age (“Just as Adam was created mature, needing no time or process to reach adulthood, so was the universe” Lisle, 2010).

The only artifact of an universe created 6,000 years ago with the appearance of artificial age that Lisle objects to in his paper is light in transit (“I suggest that it is reasonable (and in fact necessary) to suppose that distant starlight did in fact originate from the star, and was not created in transit.”, again from Lisle 2010).

Hence, this bizarre ASC which Lisle uses to try and make a young universe look like an old universe has its own set of problems. One being this: In our Isotropic (Yeah, yeah, I know. It might be any of the infinite possible Anisotropic universes, since they all appear identical) universe, if there were a giant mirror 5,000 light years from Earth, and we looked in that mirror, we would see the Earth as it looked 10,000 years ago. Lisle’s ASC universe is observably different: In Lisle’s ASC universe, that mirror will not show us anything (or, should I say, it will show us whatever Lisle interprets as being “formless and empty”) for the next 4,000 years.

Another issue with Lisle’s ASC universe is that it is geocentric: Observers elsewhere in the universe will see a circle of darkness (or whatever passes as “formless and empty”) where the Milky Way and The Earth should be; this circle of darkness will contract and the final visible star for them will be our sun. The reason for this Geocentric POV is not because of Lisle’s alternate way of looking at special relativity, but because the miracle of all of the stars appearing at once (as per Lisle’s paper) is one that Lisle alleges God has done for the benefit of Earthlings and in Earth’s frame of reference.

Samiam (talk) 07:05, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

If someone disagrees with me, and has science backing them up, I want to hear it. My goal is to have good science and a good refutation to this creationist claptrap. Not nonsense like "what about Maxwell's equations?" (there are equivalent ASC forms of those equations) and "A geocentric ASC creates an observably different universe" (true, but that is not what Lisle proposed). Some of my initial ideas were wrong. I was corrected and have subsequently updated my refutation to Lisle’s ASC paper. Right now, the issues I see with Lisle’s paper is that it creates an observably different universe which has a geocentric point of view. Samiam (talk) 07:28, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Free energy suppression

Wow, thanks for pointing that out, must have been super tired then. Must be super tired now too, to be thanking someone for a not-quite-typo, let alone a 3 month old edit. Oh well. In my defense, I think both are grammatically correct? Whatever. (talk) 13:34, 6 July 2013 (UTC)


Vandal binning after 3 edits? Don't be an ass. Acei9 09:47, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Obama Cameron

I believe it was in the Snowden stuff. Quoted on HIGNFY anyhow. Scream!! (talk) 11:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Let me google that for you :-) Scream!! (talk) 11:36, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
Google it for the new user who put it there in the first place. Spud (talk) 02:01, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Well done good Sir,

I think there are a couple of other people outside the Phelps con artists klan that are just as crazy but I enjoyed your jest just the same. --Turnerted (talk) 00:54, 16 August 2013 (UTC)


Nice to see you live in the United States you cock sucker. Time to shut your piece of shit site down. You have no right lying about people and posting BS shit about them what so ever. The law of the United States governs this website and you'll feel its wrath soon, bitch. and before you guess who I am, you'll be wrong to assume so shut the fuck up, slut --EnoughIsEnough (talk) 06:59, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

Fun fact: I don't live in the United States, as the merest glimpse at my user page should reveal. Spud (talk) 07:06, 31 August 2013 (UTC)
Don't go inserting obvious facts into his carefully crafted delusion that he can sue you for pointing out reality. Just like he's going to sue me for pointing out that insulting someone while threatening them with libel after very publicly admitting to attempting to slander a group is a very dumb thing to do.-- Token Conservative Feminist Thought Police 07:15, 31 August 2013 (UTC)

A editor of yours doxxing people

An editor of yours under the nickname fastzander is using the name "Marjan Siklic" as my real name. There are a few issues with this

1. I never used that name in any of my writings 2. The only source for this name is Encylopedia Dramatica, aka this picture

He used the following name here

I think this is highly against your rules, as it is not only doxxing an innocent person whose name I used but I never used this real name in any of my online writings.

Thatincelblogger (talk) 14:03, 30 November 2013 (UTC)


I removed Anti-science from the Rated articles category because it was the only article that was in that category and not in one of the three sub-categories. Is there a reason that it, and it alone, remains there? Thanos6 (talk) 05:56, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

No, I don't think there is. Now, that you've explained it, that seems to be the sensible thing to do. Spud (talk) 12:23, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. Thanos6 (talk) 12:27, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Birth Date

When did Just the year of his birth, not the full date become the thing? Scream!! (talk) 11:23, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

It was the thing here since long before I came along. Don't ask me why. Spud (talk) 04:52, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
I've been here on and off since 2007 & I don't recall it before you just started editing months & days out. Scream!! (talk) 11:18, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
A BoN added loads of them in yesterday. And I wasn't the first editor to remove them yesterday either. I'm not going to edit war over it. If you want to put them back, go ahead. But someone else will take them away. If you think it's wrong, why don't you bring it up at the Salolon Bar? Spud (talk) 11:44, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
Don't particularly care about it - it's just that I'd never come across it before & wondered where it came from. Scream!! (talk) 12:33, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
It's unnecessary trivia that makes us look like a Wikipedia knock-off. Same goes for irrelevantly listing people's middle names, city of birth, etc. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 17:47, 23 August 2014 (UTC)


You recently reverted my edits to the Circumcision article. Please review the talk page; you will find that I tried multiple times to engage the community to work out our disagreements, but no one will communicate--several people reverted my edits without using the talk page at all, and user:Weaseloid explicitly stated he was reverting my edits for errors that I had explicitly identified as changed in a previous Talk page post. I'm not closed-minded and I'm willing to change my opinions, but I'm not willing to be bullied by people reverting my edits without engaging in discussion. Reyemile (talk) 16:27, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Deletion archive

When you remove old deletion discussions, please move them to RationalWiki:Articles_for_deletion/Archive. You have a few that need to be added there - David Gerard (talk) 10:00, 30 November 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for cleaning up Theo van Gogh. English is not my first language, as you might have noticed. So, was the article 'on mission' as you guys call that over here? Any tips or suggestions if I want to contribute more to Rationalwiki? (InsertOpinion) (talk) 11:17, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Glad you appreciate it. I had guessed (I don't think any native speaker would have written "murder on van Gogh" instead of "murder of van Gogh") but then, I've seen much, much worse writing from native speakers in the past. Your article seems completely "on mission" and worthwhile to me. Others might disagree but I don't think they will. If I see any problems with articles you create in the future, I promise to let you know. Spud (talk) 15:46, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

That is why I think...

...letting one guy run his own private wiki in a language that no other editors read and giving it the RW seal of approval is a shitty idea. Peace. AgingHippie (talk) 16:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

That's kindof how I've always felt about the Russian wiki. ωεαşεζøίɗWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 16:16, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
How could RW fix this problem? FrizzyCatPotato (talk/stalk) 17:12, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
I certainly agree with you, AgingHippie. That's what happens when sysops just assume that someone creating articles in another language is translating articles out of English without checking what's really being written. All I can say is, don't let it happen again! We have to try to make sure that we don't allow any articles in other languages to stay here that we wouldn't allow in English. I'll keep on checking any new Portuguese articles and, if it's all right with the rest of you, kill on sight any that don't belong on RW. (I don't speak Portuguese but I do speak French, Spanish and Catalan, so I can usually get the gist of what they're about). If the Brazilian guy keeps creating articles about stuff he likes (or doesn't like) that has nothing to do with our mission, I'll try to have another word with him. I don't know if any of you are thinking about making this an "English only" wiki. It might be worth discussing. Spud (talk) 05:54, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


What did he say in the FB post where he announced he's LANCB? Did he blame Jews? Please tell me he blamed Jews. |₹Λ¥$€₦₦ Red rose 02.svg But does planting trees help bring people to Christ? 15:39, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

No, he didn't blame us the bankers Jews. Basically just said he was leaving at RW and the other wiki... which is funny because he and the other were y'know not separated of his own volition. PacWalker 15:44, 29 April 2015 (UTC)
That's right. You can see it yourself if you go to his user page and follow the Facebook link there. In the original language, he said this, "Eu vou abandonar a Wikipédia o Rationalwiki e outros enciclopédias que eu tentei participar. Valeu pela expériencia." Still, no doubt by now he feels that we are just as authoritarian and unreasonable as the admins on the Portuguese Wikipedia. And if he finds a corner of the internet where he can moan about RationalWiki being controlled by Evil Jews, I won't be the least bit surprised. Spud (talk) 16:17, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll just park this here

 pablo 08:19, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I wasn't doubting the Anthony Charles Lynton bit, just the Bliar. If you'd added that Economist article as a reference, I wouldn't have undone it. Spud (talk) 11:52, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
It's a pretty common nickname, I didn't think it needed a reference. See Rush Limbaugh f'rinstance - I have no idea whether the nickname there is genuine or originated here. pablo 13:36, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

No R

When you were fixing the capitalization you removed R it is now ceation Kosterortiizbrock (talk) 15:59, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Togo Article

I plan on adding a lot to it, over the next few days. I just had to get the little box right first, and now i need to go to bed, but it won't be a stub for long! (And for those who say it's off mission, well, it's not the only country with it's own page for no good reason.) Researcher (talk) 14:08, 12 August 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for waiting till I finished editing. Now the side with sketchy non-reasons for deletions like "I'm not saying this doesn't deserve mention on SOME level, I'm just saying that this article from top to bottom is an atrocity" (cognitive dissonance much?), "Many feminism related things are on mission for RW, an article about games that are feminist are not" (because feminism suddenly becomes non-missionable when games are involved? >.>), "I think the new title is about as bad as the old one (it's swapped inaccuracy of description for verbosity)" (titles with 6 words are too verbose to exist? wut?) and "Cruft magnet" (this just synonymous with "I don't want us to treat this subject") has won. I find it remarkable how quickly RW's fervent interest in/support of feminism wanes as soon as video games get involved somehow. (talk) 13:51, 19 August 42015 AQD (UTC)

Come on buddy, walk it off, walk it off. You'll be fine. I don't think "our" reasons were sketchy for deletion at all. They weren't even really met with anything other than "Hang on while I expend more time and energy on this article literally as it's on the chopping block". I think the article was sketchy, and the article had nothing to do with furthering the cause of feminism or even documenting it in a meaningful way. The only cognitive dissonance that might be present in that quote from me would be the fact that I give you any benefit of the doubt regarding any conceivable use for that article, while also pointing out the obviously derpy nature of that whole attempt at writing. If you suggest that only one of those convictions can stay, it's obviously the latter, although I maintain you're just swinging for the fences right now. I would admit extending a positive message even to an article so blatantly broken would appear a little contradictory, but I stand by that. I'd rather be too generous than too unforgiving. And besides, egalitarian and feminist principles are not poorly represented here. But armchair third wave feminism placed in contribed contexts and practiced by people who make things up as they go along (in contrast to academia) is an irrepresentation of anything you could call feminism, as even its opponents would agree. And besides, I'm still not leaving anything out of the question for all time. I didn't start the vote, I suggested it. I didn't delete the page, that was also done by another contributor. I didn't sockpuppet votes to the end result of 13 to 2 (in under 24 hrs). I'm just saying that that list was cringeworthy and admittedly trollbait. Nothing personal to anyone. Make an essay out of it, grow it with your henchmen and then one day it might in fact be different enough from that other one in important ways enough that it'd be fit for an article. Nothing to it but to do it, so let's get to it, buddy boy. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:14, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

This is 42/6 days too soon, but...

Congrats! ;) (talk) 12:24, 22 August 42015 AQD (UTC)

Coffee poo

Should definitely be kopi luwak. Bahasa Indonesia: kopi = coffee, luwak = civet. No proper nouns involved.--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 08:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

That's what I thought. Although on the English Wikipedia, the mob seem to have decided that it should be capitalized and "Kopi luwak" redirects to "Kopi Luwak". Even though the equivalent Bahasa Indonesia Wikipedia article isn't capitalized like that. Oh, well, I'll leave that alone. At least we're doing it right here. Spud (talk) 03:13, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

You've been nominated!

Over here. (talk) 03:25, 2 November 42015 AQD (UTC)

Why you reverted evryting?

I just insert good informations in you're wiki. Why you revert? I want help!— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

I gave an explanation when I reverted your edit. If you're going to edit a wiki, you're going to have to get used to your edits being undone from time to time. And if your English is really as bad as it appears to be in your message to me, it's going to happen to you a lot. Spud (talk) 04:03, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

The great spud!

That's pretty great! Carpetsmoker (talk) 18:28, 20 January 2016 (UTC)


I didn't know we had any contributors in Taiwan but I'm pleased you survived the earthquake. Were you caught up in it? Proxima Centauri (talk) 08:35, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

I guess everyone in Taiwan was caught up in it to a small extent because it was so strong. Apart from a very few people who were able to sleep through it (it happened at four o'clock in the morning) everybody would have felt it. But, no, I wasn't hurt. All the buildings where I am at the moment are still standing. I just got a bit of a scare while it was happening and then I was able to go back to sleep for another five hours. Spud (talk) 06:37, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Taiwan article

I'm writing a RW article on Taiwan, which until now has just been covered by a section within the China article, and I would appreciate your input or feedback. I'm by no means an expert & may well have got some of the details wrong. & My focus has been on the Two Chinas situation & One China policy, so it could do with some more content about Taiwan itself, as well as citations, snark, etc. My unfinished draft is here: User:Weaseloid/Taiwan. Feel free to edit it. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 02:31, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Working out how to talk.

Thanks for your message when I first came onto Rationalwiki. I didn't respond before because I wasn't show how discussions worked on this site. I'm hoping this is right...

PinkBastard (talk) 22:55, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

I'm way behind on my friendly chatting quota

Sorry for taking forever to reply — dat feel when ADHD. Anyways, in response to this — my stepbrother actually turned me on to the existence of Kevin MacLeodWikipedia.

How, you ask? I present thusly...

Two other top picks. All the best bud, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 14:42, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for finally replying. I thought you'd chosen to treat my question as rhetorical. I might use some of Kev's music in some of my lessons one day. A lot of my students would enjoy those tunes (although probably not for the full 3 minutes). It still sounds to me like "Scheming Weasel" is his best work. Spud (talk)
Great stuff — I believe the melody is originally from an old Winnie the Pooh film featuring Woozles, though I could be mistaken. Regardless, Kevin McLeod has very clear licensing info on his page. In many cases, you can use all of his compositions royalty-free (in exchange for music credit). Happy listening! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 16:58, 19 November 2016 (UTC)
Ah! You're referring to this. That certainly would seem to be part of the inspiration behind "Scheming Weasel". Spud (talk)
That's the one! Thanks for finding it for me Th hug.gif Born in '91, that (kinda scary) segment is one of my childhood memories. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 18:31, 19 November 2016 (UTC)


Saluton, vi parolas Esperanton ĉu ne? Kiel vi?'Legionwhat do you want from me 21:38, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

Bone, dankon. Feliĉan Ĥanukan, Kristnaskon, Kvanzaon, Julon kaj Saturnalion kaj bonan Novjaron! Spud (talk) 04:49, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
Kaj same al vi'Legionwhat do you want from me 08:04, 24 December 2016 (UTC)

Mansplaining AFD

I proposed it for deletion again -- hence the (second nomination). The other discussion was about half a year ago and I don't think the page has improved. :) FuzzyCatPotato of the Eerie Volkswagens (talk/stalk) 07:30, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Nixon v Trump

There is an article (possibly funspace or discussion) in the idea - but requires sufficient snark/acid drops etc. I was looking for someone to 'take the ball and run with it.' (talk) 20:50, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

There potentially is but the article was so small that it didn't look worth keeping. Christopher (talk) 15:49, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

Have a cookie!

Cookie half.jpg For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, Christopher
has awarded you a used pre-owned! and slightly stale cookie.
Cockroaches ate half of it.

Christopher (talk) 18:18, 22 May 2017 (UTC)


New logo large.png Welcome to RationalWiki, Spud!

Check out our guide for newcomers and our community standards!

Tell us how you found RationalWiki here!

If you are interested in contributing:

Welcome Spud, to RationalWiki. The bar is here. There are sadly no potato dishes available. Тайговорить 16:31, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Some one was nice to you? How dare they!!! Spuds are little more than tubors, waiting to be mashed up. sheesh. Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 17:09, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
Where's the gravy?--Dumpling (talk) 17:34, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Laos dictatorship

Why do you keep reverting it? — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

On talk pages, please sign your comments using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking on the sign button: SigButt.png on the toolbar above the edit panel. You can also indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line. Thank you.ClickerClock (talk) 07:58, 9 July 2017 (UTC)
Every single one-party state that's ever existed has been a dictatorship (to a greater or a lesser degree). It's hardly worth pointing that out. But it is worth pointing out that Laos is essentially an oligarchy. Spud (talk) 12:13, 9 July 2017 (UTC)

Spanish sources

So you can speak Spanish right? I am working on an article about a psychic healer that was popular in Mexico, if its possible could you contact some Spanish speaking skeptics to see if they know anything? thanks Tatsuslava (talk) 18:57, 24 July 2017 (UTC) Tatsuslava the world destroyer

Draft Community Survey

I drafted another community survey. Since the first one was controversial, I'd love to hear your thoughts. I won't proceed without community support. Survey draft available here. FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 16:27, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Almost all people who've taken it thus far have pointed to the political questions as too binary. Do you have any thoughts on the matter? Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 19:36, 28 July 2017 (UTC)


You should really archive your talk page. It's building up. —Bigljbigl (talk/stalk) 18:45, 28 July 2017 (UTC)

Wanna be tried as an accomplice??

You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline here; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. Th hug.gif All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:38, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Edits to Liberal Party of Australia

What specifically was wrong with my edits? I tried to make a slightly less biased and more neutral point of view. ConservapediaRules (talk) 12:45, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

This isn't Wikipedia. We don't adhere to a neutral point of view and we don't have to be unbiased. But what I really objected to was the Daily Mail-style stuff about some refugees really being economic migrants who want to go back to their home countries on holiday.
And if you don't want to be mistaken for a troll here, I'd advise you to change your user name. Spud (talk) 15:57, 2 August 2017 (UTC)
How do you change your username?
And basically you're saying that RationalWiki doesn't have to take facts into account because 'we don't adhere to a neutral point of view and we don't have to be unbiased'? Isn't that, like, against the entire point of 'refuting pseudoscience'? ConservapediaRules (talk) 10:23, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Say in the Saloon Bar that you want to change your user name. Somebody with the appropriate powers will soon do it for you.
Taking facts into account is one thing. Writing an out of place paragraph about a couple of asylum seekers being fakes is another. Spud (talk) 12:56, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
The 'out of place paragraph' was meant to tell the reader that there is an exception to the rule, basically that their ridiculous ideas were correct on one occasion. IntegratedInformationTheory (talk) 09:01, 16 August 2017 (UTC)


Wow, you must be drinking some good Kool-Aid or really must misunderstand scientific method if you think a mere quarter of the nonsense uttered by the likes of people like Stephen Hawking or Richard Dawkins can be supported by scientific proof but you think the claim that public school students make fun of Bill Nye the Science Guy (on Wikipedia or otherwise) cannot be proven. Meaghan Goldenflake (talk) 20:43, 14 August 2017 (UTC)

Doctrine and Covenants

You may want to have a second look at the page. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 19:46, 23 August 2017 (UTC)

Election results

Please see RationalWiki:2017 board of trustees election/Results. Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 19:13, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

Congrats on your election, Spud. ScepticWombat (talk) 20:15, 31 August 2017 (UTC)
Congratulations Spud! The Rational Gamer, WonderKirby577Let's chat! 22:31, 31 August 2017 (UTC)


Hi Spud,

Have you received my emails?

Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 07:17, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes and I've just sent you an email back. Sorry, I had a busy day yesterday. Spud (talk) 07:33, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 17:48, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Websites that have some of PlanetMofo's content

Though the page is already deleted, I do have some comments to show you that has his content on it. He is also part of groups such as "EVROPA IDENTITY" and "Pagan/Wicca" on the website.

This guy also posts about David Lane's Fourteen Words very frequently. Literally everything he posts is neo-Nazi material.

FidgetSpinnerMovie (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Firstly, you should have included that information on the page you created.
Secondly. so bloody what? So some neo-Nazi is posting on a website that's meant to be a games forum. Does he have his own website that gets millions of visits every day? Does he have his own YouTube channel with hundreds of thousands of subscribers and tens of millions of views? Does he have his own radio show? Does he have his own TV show? Is he a published author? No. He's a nobody. There are millions of arseholes spewing revolting crap on millions of websites. We aren't interested in covering all of them, only the influential ones. We aim to provide information on every crank idea. We do not aim to provide information on every crank because there are just too many of them. And most of them, like this Planet Mofo, are nobody's who aren't worth worrying about. Spud (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay. FidgetSpinnerMovie (talk) 03:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC)


Hi Spud,

Have you received my emails?

Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 07:17, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Yes and I've just sent you an email back. Sorry, I had a busy day yesterday. Spud (talk) 07:33, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
Thanks! αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 17:48, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Websites that have some of PlanetMofo's content

Though the page is already deleted, I do have some comments to show you that has his content on it. He is also part of groups such as "EVROPA IDENTITY" and "Pagan/Wicca" on the website.

This guy also posts about David Lane's Fourteen Words very frequently. Literally everything he posts is neo-Nazi material.

FidgetSpinnerMovie (talk) 15:45, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Firstly, you should have included that information on the page you created.
Secondly. so bloody what? So some neo-Nazi is posting on a website that's meant to be a games forum. Does he have his own website that gets millions of visits every day? Does he have his own YouTube channel with hundreds of thousands of subscribers and tens of millions of views? Does he have his own radio show? Does he have his own TV show? Is he a published author? No. He's a nobody. There are millions of arseholes spewing revolting crap on millions of websites. We aren't interested in covering all of them, only the influential ones. We aim to provide information on every crank idea. We do not aim to provide information on every crank because there are just too many of them. And most of them, like this Planet Mofo, are nobody's who aren't worth worrying about. Spud (talk) 03:46, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Okay. FidgetSpinnerMovie (talk) 03:41, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

"Retired user"

Toast was a sock of SusanG, she died of cancer. Christopher (talk) 14:40, 1 October 2017 (UTC)

Reasons for reverting the changes in "Joseph Stalin" and "World War II" articles

I'd like to see the reasons why the rational explanation of some facts, connected with Joseph Stalin were reverted to the old collection of stereotypical "he was E-E-E-E-EVIL!!!" myths? Also, why changes in "World War II" articles were reverted? Are you unaware of Franco-Soviet Treaty of Mutual Assistance, maybe?

Present your reasons in argumented manner, if you please.

Dilandu (talk) 16:22, 2 October 2017 (UTC)

Because you wrote so badly with so many grammatical mistakes that it wasn't worth the time and effort to correct them all. Spud (talk) 04:44, 3 October 2017 (UTC)

Awesome Award


A close up of an awesome, amazing goat's face.

Awesome Award

for Spud/Archive1

Reason: being awesome

ClickerClock (talk) 13:05, 5 October 2017 (UTC)


Want to hear a joke? --Onacompass (talk) 11:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

If you think someone saying, "A fucking leaf", for 39 seconds is funny, then no. Spud (talk) 11:28, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

--Onacompass (talk) 22:17, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

Don't patrol edits with ugly references

fix the references, than patrol. —ClickerClock (talk) 06:03, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Scientific definition of pedophilia

So... Tell me what is wrong with:

Pedophilia (a.k.a. paedophilia or pædophilia, if you're British) is the psychiatric disorder of an adult person, or old adolescent, who is sexually attracted by prepubescent, that is, children who have not yet reached puberty.[1] Broadly speaking, the word "pepophilia" is used to denote the sexual attraction of an adult to a minor, although this is scientifically incorrect. Indeed, the technical terms for sexual attraction to older minors are "hebephilia" and "ephebophilia"

and why you reverted it back with:

Pedophilia (a.k.a. paedophilia or pædophilia, if you're British) is the common term for sexual attraction to a minor (if you're an adult). In technical medical contexts it has the narrower definition of the sexual attraction to prepubescents only.[1] The counterpart technical terms for sexual attraction to older minors are "hebephilia" and "ephebophilia",

I also would like to hear why you just reverted it back, instead of joining the discussion and giving your (surely brillant) explanation of why the first line of the article should give a definition of pedophilia which makes a 18 years old man with a 17 years old girlfriend a pedophile; instead of giving the scientific definition of pedophilia.


  1. 1.0 1.1 "Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, 5th Edition". American Psychiatric Publishing. 2013. Retrieved July 25, 2013.

McLaghing (talk) 10:41, 25 November 2017 (UTC)


And, indeed, hiss. (talk) 13:26, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Moderator nomination

You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations. CowHouse (talk) 06:44, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Moderator election results

See the results here. αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 03:39, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations! Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 03:41, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Congrats, spud. You got to be a replacement mod!—HamburgerPlate Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 04:46, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations to the winners

@Bongolian,@CheeseburgerFace,@Christopher,@CowHouse,@DiamondDisc1 and @LeftyGreenMario, congratulations to you all! The RationalWiki users voted wisely and I know you'll all do what's best for us. Anyway, as a member of the Board of Trustees, I'm one of the genuine shadowy powers that really controls this wiki. Spud (talk) 05:14, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Hey you got to be replacement, just don't make any assassination plans, okay? :) ;)-⇂ɔsᴉᗡpuoɯɐᴉᗡ (talk) 05:32, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
Thanks! Th hug.gif CowHouse (talk) 15:27, 20 January 2018 (UTC)


I'm baffled by your decision to move the Strieber page. The reasons you've given aren't sound. The article was rewritten from the ground up. It doesn't resemble except in the broadest way the WP article that a few months back I made the mistake of experimenting upon. Sections like the one on the Whitman shooting and Strieber's M.O. are completely new and make up roughly half the text.

Perhaps you haven't looked at new article too closely. While there's overlap in topics discussed in the WP article, there's not enough similarity to merit a plagiarism charge. I think this can all be put down to the perception created - by me as a newbie - sandboxing the WP article to play with. Now since then, this article seems tarred with the plagiarism brush no matter what. Hochichi667 (talk) 10:05, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

I moved it because the majority consensus here was that the article shouldn't be deleted but isn't ready for main space. Plagiarism has nothing to do with it. You have been told that the article needs to be better sourced. That seems to be the main problem. Spud (talk) 10:19, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
I haven't a lot more time to spend on this, but it still seems as if you haven't looked at the article recently. The consensus you cite was a few weeks back. Since that time I basically rewrote the article from the ground up and added sources. It's comparable to the Linda Moulton Howe entry when it comes to sourcing. Hochichi667 (talk) 16:44, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

UK flag

Cheers mate for adding the UK flag to the world post -- (talk) 02:00, 5 February 2018 (UTC)


Sorry for the mistake here, and thanks for your works in detail. I’ll try my best not to repeat the mistake again. Regards. Dogeatsdog (talk) 21:16, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

That's OK. And I was in the mood to act a bit grumpy yesterday. Spud (talk) 03:38, 26 February 2018 (UTC)


I literally did not know that. Been here for a while and never seen anything like that before! :P Darth Ravigious (talk) 12:56, 18 March 2018 (UTC)

I don't see the problem of putting these categories on my user page. It has nothing to do with you. I have back up from others users, saying that it's cool to have them there. Besides, User:Kazitor said no problem. Could I at least keep Category:United Kingdom, Category:English, Category:Educators? Athena (talk) 13:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Congratulations on your newfound mod powers!

;)-⇂ɔsᴉᗡpuoɯɐᴉᗡ (talk) 21:04, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

Just to make it abundantly clear. As of 2 April 2018,, I am not a mod. It was an April Fool's joke. Now, I'd like to eat my my freshly picked spaghetti from a Swiss spaghetti treeWikipedia in peace. Spud (talk) 04:54, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

the question of racism in South Africa

Check out all the sources I used in the article, they make it clear that the white farmers/black non farmers is a major aspect in all this. --SouthAfrica (talk) 07:35, 9 April 2018 (UTC)

Why was the Saloon Bar post removed?

Where else can I post? The article in question will not allow me a permission to post there. Please advise. Thanks in advance. Correcttherecord (talk) 15:20, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Because it doesn't belong in the Saloon Bar. We don't need this Rome viharo drama all over the wiki. Please confine it to the Rome Viharo talk page. That's the article talk page not the articles for deletion template because the decision has already been made to keep the page. And you're not going to get any support by just copypasting the same stuff over and over again on different pages. Spud (talk) 15:24, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Iran nuking the United States of America ?

Unlikely, yes, but if they get nuclear weapon and proper missiles I assume it would be possible. -- (talk) 08:58, 15 April 2018 (UTC)

My German

... is no worse than the IP's original English-language contribution, so where did my comment go? (talk) 09:27, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

I don't know what you're talking about. Spud (talk) 12:58, 21 April 2018 (UTC)

Bait and Switch

I'm really interested to hear your reasons for undoing the edit to the Bait and Switch page. Another mod said I should make the suggestions by starting a discussion on the Talk page, so I did. No one came back to me to explain why my example wasn't valid. It seems that people don't like it much, perhaps because they feel implicated, but they can't explain why it isn't an example. So I reasonably concluded that it had passed muster, so I added it again only for a different mod to become challenged and revoke it without explanation. If it helps calm your defensiveness, I am an atheist myself. But this is a valid example of bait and switch, isn't it? Star Gazer (talk) 11:56, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Spanish translations

Hey, Spud. Not sure if this is where I should be writing to you, I'm not that used to wiki communication. Anyway, I took a look at your link, but I couldn't find any articles from RW, all of them are lit related, am I looking in the right place? 谢谢Sacádico (talk) 04:23, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

@Sacádico. Yes, you're looking in the right place. You won't find any links to any translations of RW articles by me anywhere because I haven't done any (yet). I provided you with that link so that you can see the Spanish translations I've done on Literatura Wiki and compare them to the originals so that you can see how good of a translator I am.
And yes, you can continue to communicate with me here. Spud (talk) 04:56, 29 May 2018 (UTC)


Is it just me or is he getting kind of petty? 𝔊𝔬𝔞𝔱-𝔈𝔪𝔭𝔢𝔯𝔬𝔯 𝔅𝔦𝔤𝔰 (𝔴𝔬𝔯𝔡𝔰 𝔬𝔣 𝔴𝔦𝔰𝔡𝔬𝔪/𝔞𝔠𝔥𝔦𝔢𝔳𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔰) 15:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Do you mean what he's writing or what I'm writing? Spud (talk) 15:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Him. 𝔊𝔬𝔞𝔱-𝔈𝔪𝔭𝔢𝔯𝔬𝔯 𝔅𝔦𝔤𝔰 (𝔴𝔬𝔯𝔡𝔰 𝔬𝔣 𝔴𝔦𝔰𝔡𝔬𝔪/𝔞𝔠𝔥𝔦𝔢𝔳𝔢𝔪𝔢𝔫𝔱𝔰) 15:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
That's a relief! I thought you were saying I was being too mean and grumpy.
Well, I think I've stated my opinions pretty clearly. RationalWikiWiki was in danger of turning into Oliver D. Smith wiki. And I think some further clean up will still need to be done.
What I can't really understand is why all those loonies picked on him. Why did they think that he was editing RationalWiki uner so many different names? I suppose he was just unlucky. Spud (talk) 15:44, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Kai Mügge

Please change the picture: — Unsigned, by: Gregor / talk / contribs

This is not the talk page either.... ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:31, 8 June 2018 (UTC)

Persistent vandalism

Please, see [2]


Vandalism by Spud: — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs
Lighten up and have a Frankfurter! Spud (talk) 12:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

You’re a mod now

I resigned. Christopher (talk) 18:22, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Category:Talk pages for deleted articles

Please add Category:Talk pages for deleted articles to the talk page (if it exists) of an article when deleting it. Thanks! —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 12:08, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

OK. I always assumed that was added automatically. I really should have known better! Spud (talk) 12:10, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
No problem, the notice to do it was only recently (and inconspicuously) added to the AfD page after all. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 12:19, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Moderator

I'm terribly sorry to trouble you. But there is an ongoing Chicken Coop case (involving myself). Could you please go over there and take a look. Thanks! Nerd (talk) 18:07, 27 July 2018 (UTC)


You're the only board member still active on a day to day basis here. Has the RMF met at all during your term? RoninMacbeth (talk) 14:15, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

Yes. Once. Or you could say one and a half times. There was one meeting that was cancelled after only two of us turned up for it but then another member came along after I left. Spud (talk) 14:30, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

My Edit on the Pseudolaw Page

Why do you call Conservapedia a blog? (talk) 05:42, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Because that's how Andy Schlafly treated it. A place where he could throw up random thoughts like, "Did humor exist before Christianity?" look, we're all well aware here that Conservapedia is a wiki. But Andy and his few trusted toadies treat it lie their own blog rather than a collaborative encyclopedia Spud (talk) 05:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC)


Can you explain those reverts you're having with (talk · contribs · block  · rights  · rename) ? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:31, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario I did rollback because it was the easiest way of checking all those changes. If the changes had been good, I would have undone my rollback and restored the changes. I just didn't want to click through ten different versions of one page. As it happened, most of the changes were attempts to ideologically rewrite the pages or were just very badly written. I don't doubt that most of what was added about Jeremy Corbyn was true. Unfortunately, it was all completely unreferenced. And when saying things like that about a living person, good sources are vital. Spud (talk) 23:17, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
There's a better alternative. If someone has made multiple changes you want to review in one go, you should check the page's history. Go to the revision before the multiple edits. Click on "edit". You'll see a warning about editing an older version. But anyhow, don't actually alter anything. Under the edit field, click "show changes". You can now see what has changed without reverting anything. If the changes aren't good, then save. This is the equivalent of reverting edits, actually, and it's what I did when I didn't have sysop tools in other wikis. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 04:02, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Well, you live and learn! I'll do that next time. Spud (talk) 09:52, 6 August 2018 (UTC)
Don't mind me perving on your talk page, but there is a much better way to view multiple diffs @LeftyGreenMario. Next to the "prev" links, there are two columns of circular ("radio") buttons. Hit the one on the left before the relevant block of revisions. Now hit the one on the right for the final revision. Press "Compare selected revisions" up the top or bottom of the list. You are now viewing the difference between a whole bunch of intermediate revisions, with a link that can be copied etc.
As for patrolling them all, just don't be so lazy; the "Mark as patrolled" and subsequent "Newer edit" link are conveniently in the same place, and it's not hard to do a whole block quickly. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 12:18, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
All right! Thanks for that! Will keep in mind next time. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 17:45, 12 August 2018 (UTC)


Did you know that it is possible to patrol edits sequentially by clicking on the "Newer edit" link? Nerd (talk) 12:58, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

OK. Spud (talk) 09:57, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

having a two-man edit war and need third-party help.

@SpudHi. So yeah, I need help with someone called GramarCommie. Among other things, he refuses to accept the notion that something can be timeless, in spite of it being scientifically established that thinks like black holes and photons do not experience time, and has so far failed to give a real explanation for why.

Exibit A)

Exibit B) (talk) 01:11, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Coming in off the Recent Changes page, I have to say: even if that weren't a seemingly deliberate attempt to misinterpret and take advantage of some of the awkward phrasing that advanced scientific fields often suffer from, I would have to throw my vote in with the one who didn't delete their opponent's talk-page comment (which I'm pretty sure we're supposed to dole out a punishment of some particular sort for) in a fit of pique. ~ ❤️ 01:54, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Oh sorry, that was an accident. I wasn't sure what I was doing, as I was fiddling around trying to get my *own* comment back, which I had mysteriously vanish on me and then had to retype.Skadooshbag (talk) 03:46, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
@Love Skadooshbag reverted the comment. That's far less serious than deleting a comment. Unless it's a pattern of behaviour there's no need to talk about punishment. Users make mistakes occasionally. CowHouse (talk) 05:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
@Skadooshbag OK. I'm here. I don't really know what you want me to do. I don't know anything about science. I suggest that neither of you edit the Self-refuting ideas article for now. I also suggest that you say in the Saloon Bar that you'd like more people to join in the discussion at the Self-refuting ideas talk page. Then you might reach some sort of consensus. Spud (talk) 05:51, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Spud, what an excellent idea! Let's get everyone to join in! ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 12:36, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
Works for meSkadooshbag (talk) 01:22, 30 August 2018 (UTC)


I left a message here. Could you reply? Westnichefaise (talk) 22:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

John McCain

This thing with Ikanreed and Nerd is getting out of hand. Can you please mod-lock John McCain until they figure out what version to use? RoninMacbeth (talk) 13:57, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth Done. Spud (talk) 01:34, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Happy fucking birthday

You asked for it! —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 09:30, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

"@Kazitor Thanks a fucking bunch! Spud (talk) 08:37, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Happy Belated Birthday

It's not much, but it's better than you got on Old RWW. Happy Birthday. RoninMacbeth (talk) 21:45, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth Thank you so much! You've made me feel warm and fuzzy all over. You know, there actually was a slightly longer page about me on the old RationalWikiWiki. A lot of what it said is still applicable to me today and, considering how notoriously nasty Old RWW was about everybody, it was probably the least rude page about any RW user on the site. But it seems to be completely lost to the archive. Oh, well, your new page about me is lovely. Spud (talk) 00:28, 7 September 2018 (UTC)

Holydaze Template

It looks great, mate! I think you should add a link for the national anthem of the ROC for maximum effect. :-) Nerd (talk) 13:36, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

@Nerd You asked for a link to the national anthem, I have provided the link. I hope that's what you meant. But like I said, anyone can edit the template now. Spud (talk) 13:48, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Yes, indeed! It is precisely what I meant. Thanks! Nerd (talk) 19:11, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Urgent Email

Can you please check your inbox? I sent an Email that I consider to be urgent. --Confidental Message (talk) 00:01, 2 October 2018 (UTC)


Just throwing this out there, couldn't we just move "Jesusween" to Funspace, similar to the Jesusland article? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 11:45, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

I would not object to a separate Jesus Ween (that was the official spelling) Funspace article. I think that the best thing to do is to have a paragraph about Jesus Ween in the main section of the Halloween page. There is a good Huffington Post article about Jesus Ween from 2011. I plan to create a paragraph about Jeus Ween using that article as a reference in the next few days. It's worth mentioning for how ridiculous it was. But it's definitely not worth having a separate section about Jesus Ween on the Halloween page. It was just a flash in the pan thing from seven years ago. Spud (talk) 12:14, 7 October 2018 (UTC)
Understandable, blowing such an isolated event out of proportion would be hypocritical, given that we collectively advocate against such behavior. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 12:18, 7 October 2018 (UTC)


Hey, what happened to RationalWikiWiki? Did a bunch of right-wing brigadiers mass report it or something? Also, you planning on reviving it? The files can be downloaded. I contacted the staff and they said the files will only be downloadable for 30 days but the Doctor Who General, Trollpasta, and (I believe) Soundboard Prank Calls wikis were all banned longer ago than that and are stil downloadable so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

...oh, and if you're wondering why I didn't use my NightmareofEden account to ask this over at Community Central, it's because I'm blocked there. EattheRich (talk) 14:03, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

@EattheRich See User talk:Bigs#RationalWikiWiki for everything anyone knows about why it was closed and for talk of a possible revival. Spud (talk) 15:39, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Just use fossil history man

Compare selected changes is not hard. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:34, 30 October 2018 (UTC)

Saw your post in the Saloon Bar

100000000000000 free Th hug.gif coming your way. -⇂ɔsᴉᗡpuoɯɐᴉᗡ (talk) 22:53, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

About your comment on my CP-related essay

Hi @Spud,

Yesterday I looked on my case in the moderation talk page, and while you and the other mods had some fairly good reasons to not trust me, I found one of your complaints about me rather interesting, and I quote:

I also find the fixation that BadPiggies9 has with Cnservapedia to be slightly troubling, especially the uploading of screencapss of vandalism done to that wiki.

Now, it's one thing to be suspicious of me for doing stupid things with my sysop powers (attempting to protect an article that didn't need protection and attempting to perma-ban another user just for disagreeing with my edits), removing the AFD template from an article (which by the way, was an accident; if you look in the fossil record for that page, you'll find that I later put it back when people started complaining), as well as having a big drama episode last week.

However, it is another thing to be suspicious of me because I happen to be interested in a topic that you have long since moved past, and to be suspicious of me just because of a small, incomplete essay that nobody even reads anyway that is about me trying to make CP more truthful (even if said truthfulness never lasts more than a minute). Temporarily blanking the pages of a wiki that we all hate here does not reflect what I intend to do on a wiki that I love. B'P"9 20:29, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

False statistics on HIV

@RoninMacbeth, @Bongolian, @Cosmikdebris, @GrammarCommie, @Avida Dollars, @Dysklyver

"The proposal to warn both Lankaster and James Earl Cash to stop edit warring, with the knowledge that future action might be taken."

So you voted for it... and here it is James Earl Cash deleting information that I wrote about Nigel Farage telling false statistics on HIV and migrants in a public debate. Will you take action as promised? -Lankaster (talk) 08:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)

I discussed it with James. I prefer the version that James asked, because you did kind of brush past that. However, I do believe you should readd your information while preserving Jamnes's edits. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:05, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth That's not what I asked in this thread. James Earl Cash deleted the information I wrote about Farage spreading false statistics on HIV. Will you take action as promised? -Lankaster (talk) 17:47, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm trying to be the bigger person here. This is kinda sorta uncalled for. James Earl Cash (talk) 17:59, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah this issue seems to have been settled quickly. I feel it's counterproductive to take action right now. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:16, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Quoting out of context — quote mining — is bad, @Lankaster, and you've been caught doing it. As a moderator, I don't appreciate that this spat is being dragged across yet another political page so soon after a coop case. Cut it out. Take some time off to reflect. Edit a non-political page. Bongolian (talk) 18:54, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@James Earl Cash "I'm trying to be the bigger person here." You are not trying to be the bigger person, I made an edit and your next posts contained "For fuck's sakes", "you decided to add a bunch of shitty euphemisms", "Thanks for proving you're every bit the dumbass", "Yep, definitely a fucking shit for brains", and suggested that my real surname is McLaghing "that's even if McLaghingLankaster" (click)
@LeftyGreenMario "Yeah this issue seems to have been settled quickly." No, this issue required me (again) to write a lot on the talk page, to justify what was a perfectly right edit.
@Bongolian "out of context — quote mining — is bad, Lankaster, and you've been caught doing it." What!? Are you out of your mind? Tell me where I did quote out of context in my edit on Nigel Farage page. "As a moderator, I don't appreciate that this spat is being dragged across yet another political page so soon after a coop case. Cut it out." No, James Earl Cash should stop to delete factual information without reasons; and, as a moderator, you should say so. -Lankaster (talk) 19:33, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Um, okay. There's a definite communication problem here, or at least that's all I hope it is. Sure I got hostile in the beginning with your edits, but that's because there's no reason to try and take out documented, sourced information that incriminates Farage for being every bit the stereotypical Brexit shithead people think he is and certainly is far too nice to Trump. Aside from the sock accusation, the rest of that was directed at some BoN. So yeah...this is getting a tad out of hand.
I mean I don't expect us to get along anytime soon and I'd prefer it if you just were flat out honestly malicious with me instead of putting on any pretend genial act, but I already explained the last edit I did with Farage on his HIV remarks. I didn't notice that Farage was lying about the HIV stats so I just thought it was more article bloat. That simple. James Earl Cash (talk) 19:44, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
You being hostile is bad. You know that being hostile would just cause the discussion to drag more than it should have. Just stop it with the accusations. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:51, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@James Earl Cash "I didn't notice that Farage was lying about the HIV stats so I just thought it was more article bloat." After I raised a coop case telling you to stop deleting factual information without any reason, you saw that I added the false HIV statistics spread by Farage and the official statistics of the UK government and... you deleted everything because you thought it was "article bloat"? You are admitting that you delete stuff without even reading/understanding it. -Lankaster (talk) 20:11, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
Mistakes happen. Can't say much more than that. We've been over this. I looked over what I deleted again and it just looks like some random quote by him where he attempts to handwave being an asshole. It's not important or at least it reads that way, so if you want to get to the heart of the matter and highlight him being a liar, well feel free. After all, we don't just regurgitate facts or what someone said, we need to go in and say why something is wrong.
And for someone who pretty blatantly wants to pick a fight with me on the pretense of adhering to wiki standards, there was really no reason for you to delete the part where he openly said he wanted to ban all immigrants. James Earl Cash (talk) 20:23, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@James Earl Cash "there was really no reason for you to delete the part where he openly said he wanted to ban all immigrants." If you mean the sentence "During the Leader's debates, Nigel Farage attracted controversy when he suggested that HIV-positive migrants should not enter the country (a claim which is not supported by the evidence).(ref)Dina Rickman. Nigel Farage could not be more wrong about HIV and immigration, The Independent. May 2015.(/ref)" I replaced it with the quote on Farage false HIV statistics, hence removing the claim that HIV-positive migrants should not enter the country, because the given source (Dina Rickman's article) is indeed a refutation of Farage false HIV statistics, and it does not talk about banning HIV migrants. The sentence about Farage wanting to ban HIV migrants was in the source given after (Nicholas Watt's article), which I did not delete. If you wanted to make clear that, besides spreading false HIV statistics, Farage wants to ban HIV migrants, you could have just replaced the sentence "This is not the first time he has made these comments(ref)" with something like "This is not the first time he has made these comments, indeed in 2014 he called to ban HIV migrants from entering UK(ref)" and I would have been perfectly fine with that. Instead, you just decided to delete what I wrote without thinking twice, as you always do. -Lankaster (talk) 10:12, 20 November 2018 (UTC)
Are you finished yet? This is getting unbelievably tiresome. James Earl Cash (talk) 10:22, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@RoninMacbeth, @Bongolian, @Cosmikdebris, @GrammarCommie, @Avida Dollars, @Dysklyver, you all ignored my questions (question for RoninMacbeth, question for Bongolian, question for Cosmikdebris, GrammarCommie, Avida Dollars, Dysklyver) and, as usual, after he deleted factual and relevant information from a page without motivations, James is free to go without even a slap on the wrist. -Lankaster (talk) 16:18, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

So, can anyone point to difflinks with the relevant edits? RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth Lankaster, JEC. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:31, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm relatively certain that I told James to revert Lankaster's edits there with the understanding that Lankaster's edit would be implemented elsewhere in the article. RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth "I told James to revert Lankaster's edits there with the understanding that Lankaster's edit would be implemented elsewhere in the article" link to such message? You knew I asked repeatedly that James stops to revert my edits without motivation, if you really told him privately to revert my edits then you acted irresponsibly. -Lankaster (talk) 19:07, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
My response was posted in this section. Also, how is this conflict still going on? Have there been further develpments as far as content goes? RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
I thought this conflict is long resolved. There has been no development aside from edits by me and Lankaster's suggestions. I don't know why Lankaster is dragging this one out to try to get James Earl Cash punished. If he was being far more contentious, it would be a problem, but this is not a problem. Any other mod agrees with me? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth "My response was posted in this section." I know... I know... and I replied...
@LeftyGreenMario "I thought this conflict is long resolved." The conflict about that specific edit is resolved. The conflict about James keeping reverting my edits without a motivation is still really unsolved. "I don't know why Lankaster is dragging this one out to try to get James Earl Cash punished." Because I'd like to do other edits to RW, but knowing that they will be reverted by James without motivation, no matter how factual and well supported they are, and with all the moderation being apparently OK with that, makes me think that first it should be solved this issue. -Lankaster (talk) 20:04, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
You know what? Let's get this specific issue out of the way. First, I need both @James Earl Cash and @Lankaster to say if they are satisfied with Nigel Farage as it is right now. Second, I need James Earl Cash to understand that, where possible, Lankaster's edits should be expanded upon, not simply reverted. Third, we should at least consider giving Lankaster a mop so he and James are at least on equal footing. RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:21, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I thought Mario handled the Farage page a long time age to everyone's satisfaction, and her message to me on the Sarsour page definitely got the point across about reverting. Why is this still going on, Lankaster? James Earl Cash (talk) 20:45, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@Lankaster can you stop @ing me please? I'm not interested in getting pulled into this row. Avida Dollarsher again 20:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth Tragically it appears someone has taken your advice and demoted Lankaster to Sysop. That same someone is willing to take both sides' toys away and block them each for a week if this crap isn't settled soon. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:34, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth "You know what?" I know you posted your response on Nigel Farage Talk Page, and I replied. Anyway, I don't want to talk about it again.
"First, I need [...] Lankaster to say if they are satisfied with Nigel Farage as it is right now." Yes, I'm fine with the last edit of LeftyGreenMario. My only worry is about my future edits.
@James Earl Cash "her message to me on the Sarsour page definitely got the point across about reverting. Why is this still going on, Lankaster?" Which message? I cannot know what LeftyGreenMario says to you on another page. If a moderator finally told you to stop deleting information without reason, then very good. -Lankaster (talk) 10:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
OK, and I understand your concern. Which is why @James Earl Cash should come here to reaffirm that he understands that he should expand off your edits, not revert them. Is this acceptable to you? RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:12, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
"Which is why James Earl Cash should come here to reaffirm that he understands that he should expand off your edits, not revert them. Is this acceptable to you?" Yes, it is. -Lankaster (talk) 18:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Really? You can't check the talk page of an article you created? First you wanted me punished over a change that RoninMacbeth approved, and now you're shifting the goalposts to try and get me to publicly kowtow before you. Ain't gonna happen. James Earl Cash (talk) 21:52, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Gods dammit, both of you. Just tell each other you'll either expand on each others' writing, or give a really, really, good reason on the talkpage. If you two see this as kowtowing, then kowtow to each other. RoninMacbeth (talk) 22:32, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
Like I said, Mario told me that a long time ago and I got the message loud and clear. As far as the kowtowing part goes, I'm not afraid to publicly express that I doubt the intentions of someone who won a coop case and is starting a non-issue to drag my name through the dirt for whatever reason, but yeah, you won't have any problems from me. James Earl Cash (talk) 23:25, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
@RoninMacbeth "Gods dammit, both of you." Why "both"? The only one here who doesn't want to find some kind of agreement is James, I did. "Just tell each other you'll either expand on each others' writing, or give a really, really, good reason on the talkpage." Yep, I'm not going to delete factual information without a reason and without discussing it on the talkpage, no matter who (James Earl Cash included) has written such information.
When James says "Mario told me that a long time ago and I got the message loud and clear" he is lying: according to himself, Mario told that to him on 15 November but on 19 November he deleted what I wrote about Farage HIV statistics, so he did not get the message loud and clear. -Lankaster (talk) 08:51, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh my god, shut the fuck up already. James Earl Cash (talk) 19:01, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Spud, I'm so sorry about this. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:34, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Special Delivery of Cuteness and Happiness

Since you asked for pictures and videos of kittens, here are some: one, two, three, four, and five. Nerd (talk) 14:15, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

@Nerd Thank you. Spud (talk) 14:19, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Oh, hey Spud, how are you feeling? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:12, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
@LeftyGreenMario Sorry, your comment here got lost in the middle of all the drama that was happening on my talk page. I'm pretty much back to normal now. But the fact that my sister is gone is the last thing I think about before I go to sleep at night and the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning. For the first time since she died, I had a dream about her last night. I hugged her and told her that I loved her. She said, "I know," That was nice. Spud (talk) 04:00, 27 November 2018 (UTC)
That's why I love sleeping. It helps refresh your brain. Mommy is right! Now I will go sink some Commies for mommy! Those bad boys aren't gonna sink themselves. Glad things are back to normal for you. :-) Nerd (talk) 04:16, 27 November 2018 (UTC)

re: YOUR message on MY talk page

I am NOT a troll, I was NOT blocked on Conservapedia and I do NOT agree with people who UNFAIRLY moan about my ALL CAPS. KING damian (talk) 12:07, 26 November 2018 (UTC)

And I'd like to point out that I know the person who wrote the message above was a fake pretending to be a different user. Spud (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2018 (UTC)


You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations.--RWRW (talk) 03:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

And you won, as the second most popular candidate as only LeftyGreenMario got more votes than you. Have fun. — Dysk (contribs) 13:16, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
That's fantastic! I had no idea I was that popular. Thanks to everybody who voted for me. I would, of course, like to dedicate this victory to my sister and my father, both of whom were taken from this life much too soon. Spud (talk) 14:40, 30 November 2018 (UTC)


How do you feel? Still healing? Hoping toi gavé sweet steaks about your sister. But still I would imagine the dreams are mixed feelings like they are painful reminders but again, I am not you. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 06:03, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Hello, @LeftyGreenMario. Thanks for asking after me. Well, not much has changed in the past few days. It's been a month now since my sister died. I have only had the one dream about her, so far. And it was nice! I think about my sister every day. The fact that she is gone is still the last thing I think about before I go to sleep and the first thing I think about when I wake up in the morning. I keep thinking about how I'm already older than she will ever be and I may have another four or five decades in front of me in which I'll think that. I feel a bit different to how I did before she died. But I'm pretty much back to normal. I'm surviving! Anyway, thanks again. Spud (talk) 14:21, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Pro censorship hack

Hey why did you can The dark Master? especially if he was trying to get better with pages like the ordovician. (talk) 13:14, 6 December 2018 (UTC)

Rape of Nanking

I've been doing some light research on it, as an extension of my History of China course. You live in Taiwan, do you know what the government there says about it? RoninMacbeth (talk) 02:46, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth Excellent question. Well, what I can say is that the way in which Japanese aggression and colonial expansion during the 1930s and '40s and Japan in general are viewed is quite different in Taiwan to mainland China. What you have to remember is that Taiwan was ceded to Japan at the end of the Sino-Japanese War in 1895 and official Chinese rule had never really extended over all of Taiwan in the 300 odd years before that anyway. Japanese rule in Taiwan didn't really begin and end with two opposing armies. Instead, it was with the signing of papers, the lowering and raising of flags, the handing over of a sword and salutes on both sides. By the time of the Rape of Nanking, Taiwan had already been under largely peaceful Japanese colonial rule for more than 40 years.
Japanese colonial rule has had a lasting cultural impact on Taiwan. I'm going to go out in a moment and walk past lots of cafés and shops that have the beckoning catWikipedia in the window. Nearly every day, somebody says to me, chotto matte, Japanese for "wait a moment". The relationship between Taiwan and Japan could be likened to that between several other Asian and African countries and Britain or other European colonial powers. The Taiwanese $500 bill represents a youth team from Taiwan that won a national Japanese baseball competition during colonial times. Since baseball was introduced to Taiwan by the Japanese, they effectively beat the Japanese at their own game. However, unlike in other Asian and African countries, I think you'd find a lot more people here who would unashamedly argue that colonialism was very much a good thing, what with the Japanese bringing railways, electric lights, improved health care, sanitation and education to Taiwan. There's certainly no popular anti-Japanese sentiment here, unlike in South Korea. Anime and manga are hugely popular here. Japanese pop music used to be very popular here, although South Korean pop music has now over taken it in popularity. Japan is the second largest source of tourists to Taiwan after Hong Kong. Japanese is the second most widely taught foreign language in Taiwan after English. In the recent past, some Western visitors to Taiwan experienced hostility from people whose families supported Imperial Japan during World War II, but that's extremely unlikely to happen now.
So, I'd say that the different historical relationship between Taiwan and Japan means that the way in which events on the Chinese mainland are viewed here is quite different from how they're viewed in the PRC.
Much more important to the modern nation-making myth in Taiwan today is the overthrowing of Imperial Chinese rule and the rise of the Republic of China in 1911. The national day of Taiwan on October 10 commemorates the founding of the Republic of China. Children are taught at school that Sun Yat-Sen was a hero because he put an end to the system where the emperor had the power of life and death over every one of his subjects. The thing is that, unlike the Japanese and the communist Chinese, there really aren't any supporters of the Chinese emperor around anymore. So the founding myth of your nation can include an enemy that had to be defeated without upsetting anyone, especially not any great economic powers. Spud (talk) 04:51, 9 December 2018 (UTC)


Why did you revert my removal of various sentences of manic, unsourced (or sourced to Chomsky and opinion articles), anti-Israel propaganda screed? This is described as "RationalWiki", yet it is apparently composed of irrelevant agitprop about "slaughtering innocents", which is sourced to biased opinion articles, sources which don't describe the events as related to the categories (either Zionism or terrorism), and randomly cherrypicked news stories based on the actions of a single religious mass shooter. The article later on describes Zionism as "ethnic nationalism" based in "blood and soil", and that these two components are comparable to Nazism. Hint: Israel is one of the most multiracial in the world, which you would know if you had ever been there (which is evidently not the case of whoever wrote this article). This site, judging from such articles, appears to be anything but rationalist - but rather a biased, manic platform for one-sided political activists, to write unsourced propaganda to suit their pet hatred of certain countries and races. Jana (talk) 04:04, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Judging from the heat behind your words you're a bit biased yourself. Take a deep breath, calm down, and explain your position again. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 05:06, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Why is it some users can be put into political catagories but not others?

When you reverted an edit on my page that put me into a category, you said users aren't allowed to use those categories. So why is it that User:MariaMacLachlan get's special treatment? --Ambition of Truth (talk) 00:35, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

@Ambition of Truth Special treatment? Hardly, given it was LuodiWang, not Spud, who added the categories. The situation has been rectified, thank you for your assistance in this matter. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:44, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
Not sure how a known anti-trans activist flew under the radar, wheras a noname like me didn't. But at least I succeeded in having the MGTOW's listed by someone else in the "Pissed at us" category. --Ambition of Truth (talk) 00:59, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

Horse isn't funspace

At least not to me. It's got a fair amount of straight-cut missional things: horseshoes and luck, horse racing woo, evolution. I don't get a fun vibe from the one section of silly list. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:10, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

But 95# of the page is just silly crap. And the section about horseshoes it mostly made up of an unsourced anecdote. (A good anecdote, though, granted.) Spud (talk) 16:18, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas, Simon. I hope that you have a fantastic Christmas and a happy new year! Season greetings! 2Cute4U (talk) 12:41, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
@2Cute4U Thank you. Season's greetings and best wishes for 2019 to you. Spud (talk) 13:13, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Please consider the correction of a factually incorrect article about me

Dear Spud, I am writing you because a few weeks ago, an article about me ( appeared on Rational wiki. This article contains some factually incorrect claims, to which I demanded corrections. I have written on the article Talk page, where I have specified the claims and given my arguments.

However, I was met with being labeled a „liar“, „denialist“, but my arguments were not addressed. I have also contacted the mail, but there was no answer (the e-mail box seems to be defunct, as my e-mail was not delivered). As you are an active RationalWiki Moderator/Sysop, I believe you are competent to enter this process and correct the information. I hope we can engage in a fair and open discussion.

PS. I have also contacted the user Nerd.

Thank you and friendly regards, and wish you a Happy New Year --Dalibor.jurasek (talk) 10:04, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

The Holocaust happened. It left millions of people dead, including my relatives. Don't try to play word games to deny your denialism. Spud (talk) 13:52, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for your answer, but you did not at all address my arguments. I am not claiming the Holocaust did not happen, I just do not have enough information to consider how some aspects of it happened. I hate playing with words – more so in an age where people label others with opposing views and consider that a legitimate argument. I already explained how the consequences of your logic are contradictory. If sceptic = denier, from that follows that A equals non-A.
More importantly, I addressed other issues, as well, to which you did not respond. The content of the article about me is in violation of your own standards, which state “Articles about living people must be handled carefully“, „we need to firmly back our points“ and „if a claim is not solidly referenced, asserts something about the article's subject(s), and the article's subject(s) might object to it, it probably shouldn't be in the article at all. This is not just for legal protection, but because it's the right thing to do.“ --Dalibor.jurasek (talk) 15:52, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
@Dalibor.jurasek As far as this wiki is concerned, either:
  • You believe all aspects of the Holocaust happened exactly as the history books say it did. Or;
  • You are a Holocaust denier because you either question or are skeptical about some part of it. Or;
  • You don't think the Holocaust was bad, because you are a NAZI.
That's basically it. — Dysk (contribs) 16:11, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
@Dysklyver That's not true. Deniers pretend the Holocaust never happened, and are composed entirely of cranks. Revisionists want to re-examine the number of deaths reported, either because they're cranks who wish to downplay an atrocity for their own political gain, or because they are historians seeking accurate numbers. This second camp is a bit more complicated. Then of course there are those who try to justify the Holocaust, and are (obviously) cranks. whichever camp Jurasek falls into there can be no denying that the article needs more sources. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:28, 29 December 2018 (UTC)
Just to put things in context. I actually never published any article regarding whether the Holocaust happened. I never publicly lectured on it or anything. My only public statement regarding revisionism was one discussion post from 2010 (my blog, where the discussion was, was deleted several years ago) where I stated: "I do not have a clear opinion, but rather I tend to favour the revisionists. To say with greater certainty, I would need information I simply do not have. Unfortunately, the likelihood of acquiring them given the present legal state is very low.". From then on, my opinion evolved in that I am fifty:fifty. I know both sides have serious arguments, but also serious questions that need to be answered. What happened to the Jews during second world war, I consider a horrible crime committed by the Nazis. Whether it was 6, 5, 2 or 1 million does not make it less horrible. All of this, of course, needs to be understood in historical context. The Holocaust should not be politicized as much as it is, and other victims should be remembered as well. We need a free discussion of all opinions and sides of view. It is absurd to put into jail someone who simply voices an opinion different from the official version - even if they are utterly wrong.
Since writing my article in 2010, still as a student of law, I have not dealt with the topic of Holocaust. It is not a topic of major interest for me. I thus do not feel obliged to have an exact opinion on it. And I reject being labeled when I do not have a clear opinion. When I have an exact opinion on something, I need to have really clear arguments. It does not suffice to me that something is a mainstream consensus. I need to go deeper to be sure. And that goes for all topics. If I have serious reasons for doubt (which I have in many aspects of the Holocaust), I abstain from a clear opinion. Precise fact-checking usually takes a lot of time and energy, which I invest in topics important for me. There are thus many topics on which I do not have a clear opinion on. I am unlike many other people, who, after reading just one, two articles already have a clear-cut opinion.
According to the logic the author of the article about me used, all true sceptics and all true agnostics are Holocaust deniers. Also, this logic is self-contradictory, as I showed at my talk page.
To sum up:
1. I do not at all deny the Holocaust, I consider it a horrible crime, though I am not sure about how some aspects of it happened.
2. I only stated my opinion on revisionism once, in a discussion post in 2010, to an article which is already deleted for several years. There, I wrote I don't have a clear opinion and I cannot have it because the present legal state makes open and free discussion impossible.
3. I have not dealt with the Holocaust (be it publicly, or personal study) since.
It is ludicrous in this context to lump me in one category with people who are hateful, truly deny the Holocaust and have not event studied the literature extensively. This reminds me of Orwellian newspeak.
Also, your article about me pops up very high in the search of my name. In our society, when one is labeled as an "extremist" or "Holocaust denier", it might be problematic for them to study, find a job or even a living contract. I am aware that my activities (sometimes "politically incorrect") can put me in this position. But I refuse to be in this position as a result of a false accusation, repeatedly proven untrue, only to be labeled as a liar, on a wiki supposedly run by people favoring critical thinking.
Moreover, the article still claims I am a pseudoscience promoter, which has absolutely no basis in fact. Nobody on the discussion has shown any argument for this, despite my repeated requests.
Thank you, and wish you all a happy new year!
--Dalibor.jurasek (talk) 11:58, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
I have put in a deletion nomination on the basis that you deserve us at least considering whether you should have an article or not. The key thing probably is that you don't have a platform or following and the likelihood of anyone reading your old writings is pretty slim... — Dysk (contribs) 12:33, 31 December 2018 (UTC)
I have read the discussion at Thank you for listening to my arguments. I was still listed as a Holocaust denier in the article, so I deleted this mention, because most editors voting in the vote were persuaded that I am not one (although I really was, for a time). Wish you all the best and good luck. --Dalibor.jurasek (talk) 11:11, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

That addition to WIGO...

...was already added to Clogs, and even if it hadn't it should've been added there instead of WIGOW anyways. Palaeonictis Fossil beds 12:46, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Esperanto - whats the point?

i mean, i know the purpose of why it was created, but why go through all the pain and tedium ('how do i get to get to the hotel?' i had stab myself with compasses in german classes to stay awake) of learning a new language that doesnt have much in the way of practical use? hobbyist or some grander purpose? AMassiveGay (talk) 17:14, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@AMassiveGay Well, I'm certainly just a hobbyist now.
I began learning Esperanto when I started university nearly 30 years ago. I was there to study French and Spanish (which I'd learned at school and absolutely loved) and really wanted to learn another language. That was partly because I failed A-level English literature and therefore didn't get into my first choice university where I would have studied French, Spanish and Portuguese. So I would have taken extra classes in any language that was offered. The only such classes I could take were in Esperanto. I hadn't travelled much at that time and I really had no idea just how widely used English was as an international language.
So, given what you've said above, I wouldn't recommend learning Esperanto to you, even though many people who have had difficulty learning languages in the past have found them easier after learning Esperanto. You'd clearly be happier earning a language that you could make use of as quickly as possible. In your case, that might be a language spoken by a minority community in your area, like Greek, Turkish, Urdu or Punjabi.
And in a somewhat convoluted way, it was Esperanto that ultimately brought me to RationalWiki. The first wiki I ever stumbled across was the Esperanto version of Wikipedia. Spud (talk) 05:32, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

Server Access

I was digging through the 2017 Mod election archives and saw the reference to needing more people with server access. My first question is has the Board appointed anyone else with this capability, and my second is, if they haven't, would you please propose this to the Board? RoninMacbeth (talk) 22:32, 5 March 2019 (UTC)

@RoninMacbeth No, they haven't and yes, I will. Spud (talk) 04:05, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

londonderry air

You seem to have prepended six silent letters to that tune lol. Do you play these yourself, they're nice. Féinléiriú (talk) 13:55, 6 March 2019 (UTC)

@Féinléiriú Good God, this is like the debates I (jokingly) have with my friend at college. Ulster for the Scots-Irish! /s RoninMacbeth (talk) 14:34, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
If you want to call that tune "Derry Air", that's fine by me. I never call it anything but "Danny Boy". I was trying to be as apolitical as possible. That's why I chose the Four Provinces Flag as a symbol of Ireland. And no, both the musical files on my user page are from Wikimedia Commons. Not played by me or named by me. But I'm glad you like the music anyway. Spud (talk) 15:42, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
I suppose it's too late to insert a /s. So when you're buying cheese, do you go to the londondairy section huehue. Féinléiriú (talk) 16:27, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, I could use this version instead. But i think it sounds bloody awful. Spud (talk)
Ew no stick to the other. I really don't care I just love ribbing people for using it, no matter their intentions. I like this one but copyright issues of course. Féinléiriú (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2019 (UTC)


You just edited in that no genes affect intelligence, and the source given says the opposite. The claim that no genes affect intelligence is patent nonsense. Is this some kind of troll wiki? (talk) 14:26, 10 March 2019 (UTC)

About that WIGO entry

I think the user is an atheist and thus forgot that WIGO existed. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 11:52, 13 March 2019 (UTC)


"Crore" means ten million rupees. It's an Indian numbering thing. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 13:17, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

@DuceMoosolini Wow! That was quick. Thanks for telling me. I thought it meant Danish krone or Czech crowns or something. Spud (talk) 13:21, 19 March 2019 (UTC)
@DuceMoosolini And I'll just point out that the meaning of "billion" in British English always used to be "million million", as opposed to the American "thousand million". But, yeah... Spud (talk) 13:56, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Please return the article

I was collecting sources to add and came back and you deleted it. There are many sources. TDAaccount (talk) 01:06, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

@TDAaccount. I don't need to restore the article. You can just recreate it yourself. You'll get a message saying you're recreating a deleted article but it won't stop you from doing that. In future, please don't leave articles like that which make unsourced and serious accusations against living people, in main space. You should create articles that are works in progress in draft space first. Spud (talk) 05:32, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
It got moved to Draft:April LaJune. I think TDAaccount put some references in but the history is now muddled. Bongolian (talk) 05:50, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
@Bongolian Yeah. So i see. Spud (talk) 05:52, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
I rescued the history. — Dysk (contribs) 09:38, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

"William Lane Craig" article - logical fallacy

I saw you reverted my change to the Craig article. The argument that "looks like a logical fallacy" to you is in fact a valid application of modus tollens or "denying the consequent", not an application of the (fallacious) inference pattern affirming the consequent.

I'm not going to revert it or reply again about this. Leave the article in whatever state you like. (Sorry if it's bad form to bring this up here, I'm not familiar with wiki etiquette.)— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

I'm going to post something here so that there's a date and the section will eventually get archived. Spud (talk) 12:44, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

What's with the block?

How can you jump from someone adding a quote from an article in a respected journal to them being a Nazi deserving of an immediate indefinite block and a revert of their edit? FYI in case you hadn't noticed I reverted your revert and unblocked the user in question (Cherry Picker). Jinx (talk) 18:27, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding the localisation

How could I start a page like the Russian one please? I couldn't find the entry. — Unsigned, by: Police / talk / contribs

@Police There are a few pages already in Chinese and you can use them for starting points: Category:Chinese. You can find help on creating a page here: Help:New Article ("The easiest way to create the page is to 'search' for the title using 'Go' and click on 'create this page'. (Make sure your title's pretty though.") Making a page in Chinese shouldn't be any different than any other language. Before you save the page, make sure to add this at the bottom of the page, "[[Category:Chinese]]" so that it gets listed along with the other pages in the Chinese category. If we ever get to having a largish number of pages in Chinese then we'll consider making a domain for them like Russian. Bongolian (talk) 06:47, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Bongolian Thanks for the reply, but I still have some uncertain things to figure out. For example, how could I create a translated page for Could you give me a hand? I find the structure here is quite different from normal Wikipedia website, and I don't want to make a mess here. Police (talk) 08:13, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Police I suggest you start by creating a draft like this one. Just type followed by whatever Josh Axe's Chinese name is. Then click on "Create" and start writing. You can then take as long as you like to do the translation and it can be moved out of draft space and into main space when you've finished it. Even though I can't read or write Chinese my experience here in general, and my experience creating translations in particular, probably means I will be able to help you a little. Spud (talk) 11:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Spud Thanks. I have created a draft here:, but I still find the edit page is quite difficult for translation because it uses so many tags/marks and while sometimes the order of words have to be adjusted. It there a more user-friendly way to edit it in a "preview" mode? Police (talk) 07:48, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@Police You know, you really should rename that draft so that its title is Josh Axe's Chinese name written in Chinese characters.
I didn't copypaste the English text for any translation I did. I wrote my translation on paper first, a few paragraphs at a time, and then copied those few paragraphs onto the draft page. I usually added the notes and references after I'd completed a section. I found it easier that way. But that's just me.
So to answer your question, no, I don't think there's really any easier way of doing it. Like I said before, take your time. There's no hurry. And maybe you could edit the pages that are already in our Chinese category a little. That might help you get more of a feel for wiki editing. Spud (talk) 11:03, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
And @Police, in response to what you asked me on Discord, it's really already been said. It's really not a good idea to create another separate wiki like the Russian one in Chinese, or any other language, at the moment. After a lot of articles in Chinese are created, then we can consider it. Spud (talk) 11:42, 25 April 2019 (UTC)
@Spud Thanks again for your tips. Speaking of the localisation of his name, I believe it's better to keep his name in English, because many who introduced him to Chinese readers didn't translate his name either. And if I translated his name in Chinese, Chinese readers may have no idea who we describe here. Police (talk) 15:04, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@Spud A new question please. How could I translate the banner on the right side? Like "Against allopathy Alternative medicine Icon alt med alt.svg Clinically unproven" Police (talk) 07:12, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

@Police OK, I can understand your reason for not transliterating his name. But you should translate the name of the language in parentheses after it. You will see other articles with titles like that in the Chinese category.
So, you're asking about translating the alternative medicine nav template. Again, I don't think that's a good idea just yet. The point of those templates is that point readers towards other articles. And since there aren't any other articles on alternative medicine in Chinese yet, there's nothing to point them towards. However, if you really want a template<, I suggest that you make a request in the Saloon bar. I don't know how to make one. But I'm sure that somebody else could create a template for you with text in English that you could translate into Chinese. But I'd really wait until there are more articles that could go into a Chinese-language alternative medicine category before asking for that. Spud (talk) 11:28, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Concern trolling template

Rough storm pirate.png Ahoy, matey!
Beware, for there be a great sea of
Concern Troll Bullshit ahead!

At last, she be finished! Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 15:00, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

@DuceMoosolini Lovely jubbly! You know, I think I will use that AND alter the headings of any future Unlicensed Thinker posts in the "Surprise, sur-fucking-prise" way I mentioned earlier. Spud (talk) 16:25, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Christophobia vs Islamophobia comparison

According to you "Be aware that Christophobia and persecution of Christians are not the same thing". How is Christophobia not the same as Islamophobia when they can both lead to the same outcome. What persecution does a Christian have to suffer before it can be termed "Christophobia"? There is a clear double standard between the two articles, so why do you object to those examples I added? BirdWord

"Islamophobia" is a widely used and understood term. "Christophobia" is not. The term "Christophobia" appears to be mainly used by people who have no idea what it means to live in constant fear of your life simply because of your religion. You are doing no favours to people who were murdered because of their religion by lumping them in with a bunch of arseholes whining on the internet about how they are being persecuted by the secular liberals. Spud (talk) 05:59, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
And new threads on a user talk page go at the bottom, not at the top. Spud (talk) 06:04, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for explaining how the threads work on Talk Pages. About the term "Christophobia" if, for example, the survivors of the Sri Lanka Easter Bombings or Christians living in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia started using that term, would their plights? Also, please explain how persecution of Christians isn't Christophobia when Christophobia can lead to those things just like Muslims and Islamophobia. I understand what you're saying about use of the term, but things are changing and the term is starting to gain in usage and these sort of incidents are on the rise; it's less often people with a persecution complex or anti-left-wing paranoia using that term. For example, why didn't the Sutherland Springs Church Shooting count but the Christchurch shooting did? So what examples do you think would be appropriate to add to the Christophobia page? Especially since the Islamophobia page has the courtesy to distinguish between Muslims genuinely suffering for their religious beliefs and people using the term out of paranoia or a political agenda; just please give Christianity the same standards Islam is given. BirdWord (talk) 00:18, 28 April 2019)
Also, why does the article say Christophobia is a real thing if it's a term used by people you claim are conspiracy theorists looking to blame everything on "evil liberals"? If you're going to acknowledge it's a real thing, there should be examples. Besides, even atheists like Richard Dawkins (who, iirc, was once considered a hero by this site) and Sargon of Akkad (in this video with the similar title "Christianophobia", as seen here ) have acknowledged anti-Christian double standards and discrimination are on the rise. BirdWord (talk) 18:53, 19 May 2019)

AD vs CE

When S.H. DeLong wrote the article, he began with the AD method of dating, so I just kept it like that for consistency's sake (and at that point, the dating was the least of our problems). I think we started it like that because a lot of the historiography surrounding Rome and Byzantium uses AD/BC. Just letting you know. RoninMacbeth (talk) 05:48, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I really think we should always use BCE and CE here. Except, of course, when it's part of a quote, a book title or something like that. On Wikipedia, I have sometimes reluctantly changed BCE and CE to BC and AD for consistency. But I much prefer making the change the other way round. Spud (talk) 05:58, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I mean, I'm certainly not going to stop you. But I don't seem to remember us having a consistent policy on BC/AD vs. BCE/CE. Perhaps we should make one if we don't? RoninMacbeth (talk) 06:01, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
I think you're right. I don't think we have an official policy about using BCE and CE. Maybe we should. Anyway, for now, every time I see BC and AD used, I will change them. Spud (talk) 06:11, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
BCE/CE is widely considered to be the more secular and religiously-neutral dating system, so I think we should go with that. Considering, y'know, what website we're on. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 06:51, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
Exactly! Especially considering that Conservapedia got started after Andy Schlafly was shocked when one of his home-schooled students used BCE/CE and he found out she'dd learned it from Wikipedia. If it wasn't for that nasty secular BCE/CE, there would have been no Conservapedia, and consequently, no RationalWiki either. Spud (talk) 11:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
And there was me always using AD/BC because i'm dumb. :) — Dysk (contribs) 10:02, 19 May 2019 (UTC)


I sent you a message on Discord. Cheers! Dr. Ox quack specialist 07:27, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

I think I'm too late now, right? Anyway, I'm really not the least bit interested in Discord. That's why I didn't add the Discord userbox to my user page or add myself to the list of RatWikians on Discord. I never had a clue what was going on there and I stopped looking at it altogether a couple of weeks ago. Spud (talk) 11:47, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


你从来没有告诉我你翻译的名字。Oxyaena Harass 09:50, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

@Oxyaena I'm sorry, although I've lived in Taiwan for more than 16 years, I only know about 20 words of Chinese (and half of those are the numbers one to ten) and I cannot read or write it at all. So I'm afraid I haven't got a clue what you just said. Spud (talk) 11:49, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Use Google Translate. Oxyaena Harass 11:51, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Ceci est un dialogue de sourds. Spud (talk) 11:58, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
الصم هم الناس أيضًا. Oxyaena Harass 12:04, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

"Twat" is not an appropriate block message

New user, trying to argue with an article in the article instead of on the talk page, obviously wrong, but maybe not familiar with wiki etiquette. 9 hours is a perfectly reasonable block time, but I think you could have pushed them to discussing their thoughts on the talk page instead of saying "twat". In short, don't be so black, kettle. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 12:45, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

That time of year again

You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline here; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. — Dysk (contribs) 17:30, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Just remembered that you're a Board member, so I'm copy pasting what I asked LGM

What's it like being on the Board of Trustees? Is it demanding? I'm trying to decide whether I should throw my name in for the election. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 07:56, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

@DuceMoosolini It's not really very demanding. In order to accommodate me in my UTC+8 time zone, you would have to attend a meeting via Skype at what would probably be quite early on a Saturday or Sunday morning for you. I hope that's not a problem. (That's a question I will be asking all the candidates). Spud (talk) 08:03, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
@DuceMoosolini I've just remembered that I'm up for re-election and might not get voted in this time. So accommodating my time zone might not be an issue any more. Mind you, a meeting time will probably need to be set that will suit people in the US and Europe. Spud (talk) 10:07, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
I think you and Human both ought to be reelected, so I'm gonna wait to see how competitive things get before I throw my hat in the ring. I want to scoop up the empty seat, not bump you out of yours. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 19:59, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Board election

Since you are one of the people that accepted their nomination to the 2019 RationalMedia board of trustees election, you should go to the campaigning page and post your best propaganda post-haste. Good luck! — Dysk (contribs) 12:15, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

Why does he get to be listed at the top of the sociology category page?

The first line of each article sums up pretty well the foundational value these guys had in the field of sociology. Whether that really warrants special categorization is a more subjective matter, of course. 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:A522:4425:C33D:25EF (talk) 11:22, 30 July 2019 (UTC)

I don't think it does. Spud (talk) 11:44, 30 July 2019 (UTC)


Per the results, you have won a seat on the RMF board. Have fun. — Dysk (contribs) 09:01, 28 August 2019 (UTC)


...for deleting the Gandhi article. I thought maybe it would be down to me as I started the process, but wasn't sure just how that was done. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:06, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@AMassiveGay No problem and you're welcome. Spud (talk) 12:07, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

New Portuguese articles

What do you think of the two new Portuguese articles (9/11 (português) and ‎USA PATRIOT Act (português))? They seem to be close to, but not exact, Google translations. Delete? Bongolian (talk) 17:34, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

English for DeepL Translator: These articles were translated by an Internet translator and revised by a Brazilian: Me! I don't think it's necessary to write that my native language is Portuguese. Therefore, there is no danger with me!
Português por mim mesmo: Esses artigos foram traduzidos por um tradutor da Internet e revisados por um brasileiro: Eu! Acho que não é necessário escrever que minha língua nativa é o português. Portanto, comigo não há perigo!
JPLSilva (talk) 21:16, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
@Bongolian I have deleted them. The user who posted them has just admitted to them being proofread machine translations. That's exactly the same as the Italian translations that I deleted a little over a year ago. And at least they were posted by people who could speak English and could compare the machine translation to the original. (Although I don't think they did a very good job of that.)
@JPLSilva I'm very sorry, but if you don't speak English, I really don't think you have anything to contribute here. You won't be able to communicate with other users, which is an important part of editing a wiki like this one. And you cannot translate articles if you do not understand the language they are written in. You might think you can correct mistakes in the machine translation. But if you can't understand the original article, you can't compare it to the machine translation. How can you be sure the translation is right? Besides, I feel that relying on machine translations is just lazy. I have done translations here that I have spent days and weeks doing. I don't think it's right that someone else can create a translation with just a few clicks. Spud (talk) 06:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Well, I translated it from my English skills, and I turned to Google Translate for help when needed. Be aware that those articles are under construction, which means I didn't abandon them. The links are in red because I always add "Português" to their end, but don't worry, I know what I'm doing.DabUnicorn.png SmalkadeContribsSandboxEC 12:10, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
@Smalkade Since they're unfinished, I have moved your translations to Draft:Apocalipse and Draft:RationalWiki (português). You can move them back to mainspace when you've finished them. Occasionally referring to Google Translate while doing a translation, in the same way that you'd refer to a dictionary or grammar book, is fine. It's relying mostly or entirely on it to create a page that's bad. And can you please do something about your signature? Why does it need to create two big white gaps in the text? Spud (talk) 12:34, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
Man, you should have warned me and JPLSilva in advance that incomplete articles should be created within this namespace. Anyway, thank you for clarifying some doubts. Glad to see RationalWiki's QA is tight, so the articles here are well-written. DabUnicorn.png SmalkadeContribsSandboxEC 13:18, 12 September 2019 (UTC)

English for DeepL Translator: If that were the case, I wouldn't even have created an account on this wiki. I guess I'll have to ask a bureaucrat to delete my account and contributions. I was so excited about the goals of RationalWiki... I warn you, the administrators of this wiki, that this discourages users from all over the world who are really interested in the ideals of RationalWiki, but do not have an advanced knowledge of English. The fact that I have to know your language unfortunately reminds me of Conservapedia.
Português por mim mesmo: Se fosse por isso, nem teria criado conta nesta wiki. Acho que vou ter que pedir para que um burocrata apague minha conta e contribuições. Estava tão empolgado com os objetivos da RationalWiki... Aviso a vocês, administradores desta wiki, que isso desestimula usuários do mundo todo que realmente estão interessados com os ideais da RationalWiki, mas não tem um conhecimento avançado de inglês. Essa de eu ser obrigado a saber a língua de vocês, infelizmente me faz lembrar a Conservapedia.
JPLSilva (talk) 18:50, 13 September 2019 (UTC)

New translation templates

I just edited the old ones. Here's a preview of what they look like:

Haloveno estas versio de ĉi tiu artikolo en Esperanton.

Halloween (español) es la versión en español de este artículo.

Si vous voulez cet article en français, il peut être trouvé à Halloween (français).

You might have to go into the articles in which they're used to move them around. I already did that to Halloween. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 21:20, 14 September 2019 (UTC)


Jesus fucking Christ you're filling up recent changes, you have Ninja for a reason, use it. Oxyaena Harass 06:34, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Can you contribute to the 'Traditional Korean medicine' document?

I curse and hate oriental medicine very much, but many Koreans don't seem to think TKM so badly. But I don't know much about TKM. Can you contribute if you know any information? sorry..--BluePink (talk) 08:57, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

@BluePink Sorry. I don't think I can. I think you might have made the mistake of taking what's written about me in Fun:The truth about Rationalwiki too seriously. I have no particular interest in debunking alternative medicine and promoting real medicine. I really don't no why DuceMoosolini wrote that I did. But, yeah I know that traditional Chinese medicine is utter crap from the stupid "medical" advice my Taiwanese boss has given me. She actually said I had too much blood in me! That's the same kind of nonsense that you'd have heard if you'd gone to see a doctor in England 700 years ago. Spud (talk)
You can edit your entry in the funspace article if you want to. But BluePink also approached me about this, so I doubt it played a role in anything. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 13:11, 4 October 2019 (UTC)
@DuceMoosolini Yeah. I see a few users have been sent the same message. A few of the most capable users, you might say. And I like what you wrote about me in The truth about Rationalwiki because it is so completely and utterly untrue. Which I think was your intention. There's a slight danger that other new users will think I have a special interest in alternative medicine. But I can always just tell them that I don't. Like I just did. Spud (talk) 13:30, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

2019 moderator nomination

You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations. -- Regards, Cosmikdebris (talk) 01:19, 2 November 2019 (UTC)

It was an accident.

s/he. Acei9 05:19, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

why remove my post

I was asking an honest question, what is the problem? Dasnahmynay (talk) 05:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

On this occasion, I was blindly following what GrammarCommie had done. I wouldn't have removed the post if I'd seen it first. I think references to teenage schoolgirls might have raised alarm bells. Spud (talk) 05:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
I was about to jump in here and ask the same myself. AceMcWicked 05:46, 18 November 2019 (UTC)

Can you please supplement the document?


I live in a conservative Asian country and don't know much of a progressive or social justice perspective on autistic issues.

You're probably American, can you supplement?

I think you know more about this than I do.--BluePink (talk) 05:21, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@BluePink I'm English! Don't ever call me American again! Spud (talk) 05:24, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
There was no malice. I'm so sorry.--BluePink (talk) 05:50, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
@BluePink Don't worry. I wasn't really offended. Spud (talk) 06:27, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I need a favor

I can't read much of any language outside of English, and a supposed alt-right cartoonist (I say supposed because we've had people just post random people there, so background checking their content is important) has their content in either Spanish or Portuguese. Would you mind taking a crack at it and letting me know if they belong on the page? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:33, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

The content is in Spanish. I think he just about qualifies as alt-right. The art style is obviously influenced by online alt-right cartoons. None of the content appears to be racist or antisemitic But the cartoonist is obviously an anti-feminist and I'd say most of the carttons are downright misogynistic. Spud (talk) 15:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Kept him. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Okay, two favors, since this one has most of his content in Spanish as well. Just to be forewarned, there's a ton of sexism and some homophobia in there as well. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:45, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
There's definitely a lot of objectification of women there. But this seems more like the work of a teenage wanker who gets off on drawing dirty manga than a real woman-hater. Spud (talk) 15:13, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Removed him. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Poor old Mustafa

I don't understand the odd animus some other editors have against Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, but I find it very odd and disturbing that some folks want to impose their tribal orthodoxy about the fellow on other users' user pages. As to the tribal conflict itself, I don't have a position and am wholly indifferent to the underlying opinions.

I would have closed that AFD as no consensus. Policing other users' personal pages ought to be unacceptable. Smerdis of Tlön, wekʷōm teḱs. 17:10, 7 December 2019 (UTC)

Kemal was a murderer and a genocidal fanatic, I doubt you'd be in favor of supporting shrines to Hitler. Oxyaena Harass 17:32, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Mike Godwin would doubtless be proud. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:26, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
Let's just start venerating genocidalists. Oxyaena Harass 23:48, 7 December 2019 (UTC)
A userbox isn't a form of veneration, as far as I know, and I'm pretty sure that's the thrust of the argument here. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 04:17, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
Userboxe templates (emphasis on template) are just easy means of expressing little bites of information, a template. As it's been stated, you can make your own userboxes but I don't think we should hold easy-to-use templates for more, let's say, controversial ones. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 04:20, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

Unsourced statements in "James Burke"

I'm a bit of an expert on the topic since James and I were colleagues at the Beeb. I've done what I can but I don't see how we can provide sources for the more discursive material here. Delete some of it? Ithaca8 (talk) 16:52, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ithaca8 Sure. Go ahead and remove whatever you think needs to be removed. Spud (talk) 17:01, 24 December 2019 (UTC)
Can I then also remove the "sources needed" caution? Ithaca8 (talk) 17:04, 24 December 2019 (UTC)

For the record...

the worlds greatest writer was born in west Yorkshire. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:17, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

@AMassiveGay Since you're talking about Roger Hargreaves, I am quite inclined to admit that you're right and I was wrong. He had a huge impact on my life. If it weren't for Roger Hargreaves, I might never have got into books in the first place. Spud (talk) 13:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Hey there

I know it’s been a while, and I’m new etc, so please let me know if I’m out of line but. I’m really sorry to hear about your sister, and while I cannot eat chocolate, I will absolutely have a pack of chips in her honour. Hope you’re doing okay (or at least as okay as possible) and yeah. Meth Right’s Activist (talk) 08:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Don't worry. You're not out of line. And I appreciate the message. My sister died at the start of November 2018. I think about her every single day. But obviously, I can't wallow in grief all the time. I'm trying to live the rest of my life the best I can for both of us. Spud (talk) 13:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)


You and Bongolian missed one. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 17:30, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

@GrammarCommie Done for that one and also User:Margon282. Spud (talk) 17:36, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Be careful whom you block

Plz don't make me turn you into a fishtato. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:09, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh, bugger! I accidentally blocked the last editor before the vandal. Thank you for fixing it and forgive me. I'm not drunk. It's only half past ten in the morning here. Spud (talk) 02:36, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


I reformatted the discussion and included your comment in the a vote section as I assumed it was a vote in favour. Hope that's ok with you, thought I'd give you a heads up. --RWRW (talk) 16:09, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

@RWRW Yes. You did the right thing. Spud (talk) 23:07, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

re: cf/doc

Hi, just wanted to let you know that both .uk and .gb are reserved for the UK. Also, .el is used for Greece within the EU (since "Greece" is the name used everywhere but in Greece, where its called Hellas or Hellenic Republic). Let me know if you think my changes were still wrong. — Godless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 09:04, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

@Godless Raven The problem is those codes don't produce the right template. Look I type {{cf|gb}} and I get United Kingdom. I type {{cf|el}} and I get Greece. Telling users that they can enter the code gb to get a British flag and a link to the page on the United Kingdom and that they can enter the code el and get a Greek flag and a link to the page on Greece is false information. Spud (talk) 13:05, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
I fixed it. Greece United KingdomGodless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 13:29, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
@Godless Raven OK. Spud (talk) 14:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
@Spud I mean if you don't like it tell me why and we can discuss it. — Godless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 15:00, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
@Godless Raven Nah. That won't be necessary. I'm not unhappy. There's nothing to discuss anymore. Spud (talk) 15:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
For the record, before the fix, typing in el and gb into the cg template just produced the World Spud (talk) 23:27, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Chunichi Shimbun

I want to restore the article

The Chunichi Shimbun is the third major newspaper after the Yomiuri Shimbun and Asahi Shimbun, and has a great influence even though it is a local newspaper. Even if it is said that it is a local newspaper, it is extremely vast and covers everything from Nagoya to Tokyo.

The Chunichi Shimbun (Tokyo Shimbun) is read all over Japan through the Internet.

Nagoya-based newspaper has a highly influential newspaper that owns the professional baseball team Chunichi Dragons (the Yomiuri Giants, which owns the baseball team in other companies in the same industry).

Tokyo Metropolitan Television (TOKYO MX), an independent television station funded by the Tokyo Metropolitan Government, is under its umbrella.

It is also one of Japan's leading left-wing media and has been read by many domestic leftists. Politically, he supports the Constitutional Democratic Party and the Social Democratic Party.--Karasawa Takahiro (talk) 11:42, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

@Karasawa Takahiro You had your chance. You should have explained why it should have been kept before it was deleted. But I don't think your argument above would have persuaded anyone. As I've now said many times before, the vast majority of newspapers in the world have a political bias. There's nothing special about that. It's not enough to say "X is a leftist newspaper." You have to demonstrate why it's an influential newspaper or why it's worthy of our attention in some way. Spud (talk) 12:46, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

What's the context of that?

Cuz that's fucking hilarious. Raven keep pestering you or something for that? Oxyaena Harass 13:00, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

@Oxyaena Sorry. what's the context of what? Spud (talk) 13:02, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
"HERE, YOU CAN HAVE YOUR FUCKING CATEGORY!" Oxyaena Harass 13:03, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
@Oxyaena Oh, that. No. He'd be quite capable of creating the category himself. He's taken it upon himself to create two new unsigned templates for us after all. Even though we've already got one that works perfectly well. Now what can I say that won't possibly make a bad situation worse? Probably nothing. But I will point you towards the above discussion about flag templates where a certain someone seemed quite keen to pick a fight with me. Spud (talk) 13:18, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
To be clear, I never said I was doing an unsigned template for anyone. All I was creating a toolbar for me to use quickly when I am not sure. It was never designed as anything but for my personal use. — Godless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 13:48, 18 June 2020 (UTC)


If you (and the other Mods) would weigh in on the current Coop within your purview as Moderator, that would be most kind. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 13:51, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Already voted

I'll get you.... just you wait. AceModerator 13:13, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

I once went on a fishing charter and caught a Morey Eel. Think about that and what I might do to you if so inclined. AceModerator 13:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


Hi. You recently reverted my edits at the 9/11 article. Why? Prince of Glantri (talk) 00:51, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Response on the article talk page. Spud (talk) 08:11, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Do not vandalise articles you are supposed to guide people

I see you not removing prejudices from India article(talk) 9:27, July 3 2020 (IST)

I'm not vandalizing anything. And I am guiding you away from trying to whitewash the page. Spud (talk) 04:18, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Sys-op rights

Ze gave my sysop rights, then called me a "Dirty Liberal". I fucking hate politics. (You said you've been to Belgium, right? So, you know how MR & Open VLD work (the latter having 3 kinds of liberals: Soclibs (which I don't mind), Liberals & Dark-Blue Libs (these are Centre-Right to Right-Wing liberal-Conservatives that have also embraced "Thatcherism" after Verhofstadt went to Europe and Karel De Gucht became their leader (for a short time) (Then came Somers, but he's a Soclib and stepped down after the bad results from 2009, after which De Croo took over and he..., well... I have my doubts whether he's "pro-thatcherism" or not)). Am I allowed to have those rights (66 edits and I've been here for 12 days)? Also, why does she still have hers? Thunderclapper (talk) 08:43, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

If you hate politics then why do you have political userboxes, also do you have no sense of humor? Regarding sysop rights, you can be demoted to sysop with no edits at all if someone thinks it's a good idea, there are no minimum requirements and the system is thus based mainly on nepotism. You can of course remove sysop yourself at any time but otherwise you only lose it if you misuse it, which I don't think you will, or become super unpopular with the mob, which isn't something I can account for anyway. — Z 13:55, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
And for what it's worth, I don't know much about Belgian politics. I only set foot in Belgium for a few minutes when the bus stopped there on its way to Poland. Spud (talk) 23:24, 5 July 2020 (UTC)


You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline here; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. — Bongolian (talk) 22:27, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

I was elected in 2019. I'll continue to be a Board member for the rest of this year and into next year. I'll happily run for reelection in 2021. Spud (talk) 23:36, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Ongoing harassment by Ze

Ze is posting unfounded malicious allegations and lies to harass an ex-sysop here, is there any chance of removing their libel? They falsely claim an ex-sysop here sent them death and rape threats which is an outright lie. In fact, Ze has no email attached to their account on RationalWiki, so the allegation is not only false but preposterous as the ex-sysop being falsely accused of emailing them doesn't even know their email address.Bryne (talk) 16:04, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Inferno Bot

I've gone ahead and set up the template for your page in such a way that it works. It needs newlines and an idea on how and where to archive. RN it's set up so that it archives threads older than 30 days and will always leave 5 threads on the page and won't archive less than 2 at once, but feel free to tweak that if you want it to be different (just add or change params according to the configuration). First run should be in a few hours. Leave counter as is, that way it won't screw with your existing archive page. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 17:51, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

@The Crow I'd probably tweak it if I knew how. But I haven't got a clue. Anyway, thank you very much. That's much better than before. Spud (talk) 00:24, 13 July 2020 (UTC)


Thanks for unblocking me (talk) 13:00, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

I wanna hear about that dream, you tease

I couldn't tell you what my dreams mean, I wouldn't do some dumb shit like saying "Oh, you saw a Turtle? A Turtle means" that's dismissive. If you had a dream, I'll listen to it. I will not interpret it. That would be asking a bit much from me. But cataloguing my own dreams really made a difference in my life, and if you want to spout some nonsense dream world bullshit at me, I'm game. It's really hard to remember a dream if you don't practice spouting the nonsense, so if you can remember the dream still, I'd love to hear what you kept from it. Gol Sarnitt (talk) 06:12, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

All right then. I'll write about it in the Saloon Bar. Spud (talk) 08:40, 24 July 2020 (UTC)

Little concerned

Um, Grammar Commie has been saying things in the SB that are violent in nature and highly concerning. Don't mean to rat on GC but it is serious. --George Soros Puppet (talk) 20:23, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


Hello Spud, can you please explain why you have blocked this IP address for as long as 31415 seconds? This seems wholly unnecessary, to me it appears that a block of 3141 seconds would have been sufficient. Kiko4564 (talk) 10:19, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Your revert at RationalWiki:Saloon_bar

Hi again, whilst I don't dispute you are right on the technicality that "unbanning yourself is not block evasion", I still believe that he was evading the spirit of his block (if not the letter). Therefore I would like to discuss this revert you made. Why do you believe that User:Hastur's comment should be allowed to remain on it, when he posted it whilst "unlawfully at large" from a block? In my opinion as per the spirit of blocking policy (if not it's letter) his comment should be removed from that page. Kiko4564 (talk) 10:27, 9 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy Birthday!

Here, have some cake 🎂. Fowler (talk) 15:59, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Feliĉan naskiĝtagon! Breithlá sona duit! Féinléiriú (talk) 17:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Happy birthday, dude. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 19:02, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

Have a nice one! Don't let this site consume you. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@Fowler and @DuceMoosolini Thank you. @Féinléiriú Go raibh maith agat. @LeftyGreenMario Thank you. And don't worry. RationalWiki still does me more good than harm. We'll get through this difficult patch and out the other side. I'll still be here. I hope you'll still be here. We can take it! And there'll be bluebirds over the white cliffs of Dover tomorrow, just you wait and see. Spud (talk) 03:41, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Freeman on the land

Would you like to explain why you called me a "fucking vandal" in the edit summary of your reverts? Kiko4564 (talk) 19:16, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Probably because you're a fucking vandal. I would also like to add that you're a fucking concern troll. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 22:56, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
Exactly. You were a self-confessed vandal and I don't know how you escaped a permaban. Spud (talk) 23:47, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
If you think that I can't be trusted with Autopatrolled, then you may by all means promote me. Thanks for letting me know Coigreach, and Spud. Kiko4564 (talk) 22:37, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Block request

Can you please temporarily block and desysop me for, say, a week so that I stop responding to that Charlottesville individual??? I just get really frustrated having to make the same points over and over again, and I would like to force myself to not respond. Thank you. 💞 ASELAकुरा 💞 14:26, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

I don't think you need a block, maybe you should just take a wikibreak, and when you get back remember Troll. Kiko4564 (talk) 22:38, 16 September 2020 (UTC)


I don't know the abilities of that bot, do you? ,--Scream!! (talk) 04:08, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Should be harmless--Hastur! (talk) 06:01, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Yeah. Not even autopatrolled. Nothing to worry about. Spud (talk) 06:41, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Can you speak German?

Sprichst du Deutsch? - Iwillprobablygetbanned (Talk to me!) 16:30, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

No, sorry. I know a few words and phrases in German, of course. But I certainly couldn't translate any articles into German. Spud (talk) 23:22, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Animated language flags

Hi Spud. I think there is a problem with your implementation of the animated language flags. It seems that for short pages, the float:left style is causing the flags to float to the top of the page, away from the text. See: Envenenar o poço and Poisoning the well. Bongolian (talk) 02:25, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Bongolian Well, it was me that suggested changing the language link templates to make them smaller. After some discussion in the Saloon Bar, we decided that the new templates should include animated flags. As I recall, it was @DuceMoosolini who redesigned all the existing templates. I think you'd better talk to him. Spud (talk) 10:55, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah, OK. Thanks. Bongolian (talk) 16:57, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

So you're equating people who disapprove of bestiality with people who dislike vegans. No!

I'm actually doing the opposite. I'm equating people who dislike veganism (note - not vegans as people, but the ideology of veganism) with people who should, if logic were of any value to them, dislike opponents of bestiality. Eating meat causes animals a lot more harm than bestiality, so there isn't any logical reason against bestiality given that you think eating meat is okay.

Why don't you think this belongs in the article? Przciąszczłóśćiek (talk) 11:06, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

I don't know what you're intentions are but you're coming across as an apologist for bestiality. If you're just trying to promote veganism, you're not doing the caus any favours. Spud (talk) 11:40, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
How does it matter what my intentions are? I'm not trying to promote anything. I am just including some well-deserved snark aimed at meat-eating hypocrites. There is already a lot of snark aimed at vegan hypocrites, so I just wanted to throw some of it the other way. All of it is 100% deserved and 100% reasonable, as far as I'm concerned, alright you're welcome to change my mind. Otherwise, are you really going to try and censor the project of things that go against your feelings? Przciąszczłóśćiek (talk) 11:52, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
If it means that much to you, which frankly it doesn't to me, then discuss it at Talk:Bestiality, where it looks like a similar discussion briefly took place give years ago. Spud (talk) 12:15, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Cool, if it doesn't mean that much to you, I'll just restore my edit, okay? Przciąszczłóśćiek (talk) 14:10, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
Actually, hold on, thanks for redirecting me to that talk page discussion, as it seems like pretty much everyone (apart from one person whose main argument seems very similar to one of the most common arguments against homosexuality) agrees that consent cannot possibly be the reason that bestiality is bad. Given that, I think reinstating my edit would be justified regardless of your opinion on it. Przciąszczłóśćiek (talk) 14:31, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
I'm not going to undo your edit again. But somebody else probably will. Spud (talk) 14:35, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

And the dissent-quashing continues ...

You know that you just proved my point, right? I disagree with you, you block me without TPA and call me "homophobe". This is what's wrong with today's politics, we must agree 100% or you're evil. Hopefully when Biden wins we will return to an earlier state of politics where that's no longer true. Oh, and if this were just about vandalism you would have said "Mindless generic vandalism" and left TPA on. 2601:644:300:4740:D0EB:55D5:F8B3:667D (talk) 04:39, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Only homophobes use the phrase "homosexual agenda" nowadays. That's why I blocked you. Spud (talk) 11:02, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
So just to be clear, I was not blocked for vandalism, I was blocked for "homophobia" or having a different point of view. You guys like to think that you're better than Conservapedia, but you're really just like them. 2601:644:300:4740:D0EB:55D5:F8B3:667D (talk) 17:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
The view that black people should be enslaved is a "different point of view", and also would not be tolerated. CoryUsar (talk) 17:31, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
Yes, but that view is so extreme, no serious person would hold that view in modern times. On the other hand, many mainstream politicians still oppose same-sex marriage. The same goes for 37% of Americans in 2019. What I am disputing is that simply holding an opposing view is a blockable offense, especially against someone who holds relatively centrist views on other issues. 2601:644:300:4740:D0EB:55D5:F8B3:667D (talk) 17:47, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Mod election

You have been nominated for it.-Flandres (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

This new WIGO

Oh hey, so, you seem to be very good at the site policies and whatnot. Do you think it would be okay for me to add a link to my WIGO on the pages for elections, covid and world? I’ve tried asking around but haven’t been able to get a response. Thanks so much! ❣️ ASELAនិយាយ ❣️ 00:40, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

@Asela I really don't see why not. It's what I advised you to do in the Saloon Bar earlier, after all. And what's the worst that could happen? Somebody takes it away again? And if they do, they'll have to deal with me. Spud (talk) 00:45, 26 November 2020 (UTC)
Excellent thank you SO MUCH aaa I really appreciate it. Just wanted to double check and everything but yeah thank you! ❣️ ASELAនិយាយ ❣️ 00:47, 26 November 2020 (UTC)

Idiots... You realize I was trolling?

My covid=aids bait worked. CP will love to hear about your stupidity. And the reports for Andy thing was satire, FTR. GF’d — Unsigned, by: / talk

Well, trolling is a bannable offense, so... IveBeenFrank (talk) 00:24, 27 November 2020 (UTC)


Goat icon.png Congratulations on your demotion to RationalWiki moderator on 2 December 2020. Thank you for your service to the wiki, and good luck the goat herding voyage on which you have embarked.

cosmikdebris talk stalk 03:01, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Congrats on winning re-election, Mr. Moderator. --Goatspeed. Fossil evidence of my evolutionCircularREmail2.gifasoningSee what I'm planning 05:51, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Vegan Gains

Dear Spud, my edit to this page was not at all an attempt at whitewashing. It was actually a blanket reversion of the last BON edits which I thought were messy and detracted from the standard of the writing (I thought the article makes its points pretty well already without interrupting the flow with things like "One word - psychopath." and "basically a fucking moron" complete with the red link). Sorry for not labelling my edit as a reversion. I realize that some of the BON edits do have merit, so I'll try again, and be more selective this time. --Butter Melon Cauliflower (talk) 22:08, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Reason for uploading Jimmy Dore's montage

The reason I made that montage was to draw attention to the fact that Jimmy Dore profited off of war crimes denial when he made several YouTube videos in which he denied that chemical attacks took place in Syria and referred to dead Syrian children as "crisis actors". I won't link those videos here because they are despicable but you can find them on his YouTube channel. Then with the money he made from YouTube and his shows, he bought a 2,815 square feet walled compound for $1.9 million. If you watch his YouTube videos and follow him on social media like I do, you will notice that he likes to lecture others about "integrity" when he has none. Do you understand that his behavior is morally indefensible? GriftExposer (talk) 07:56, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Yep. And the image had exactly the same effect as anti-abortion billboards showing dead fetuses: it doesn’t affect my opinion on abortion but it does convince me that the people who put up the signs are thoughtless assholes. 2600:100E:B023:5AD1:44A4:2DD6:3880:AB2C (talk) 08:02, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
The BoN is absolutely right. And even if he had personally killed those children, that would be no reason to show photos of their dead bodies here. This is not a shock site. This is not a troll site. Making use of a photo of dead children in that way is utterly despicable. Spud (talk) 12:13, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Regarding Sievert 81

I noticed that you protected the page for Prions specifically to block Sievert 81 from editing it, and I'd like to say, thank you. I'd like to note that, on Wikipedia, this user was community banned and globally locked due to original research violations and sockpuppetry. JJPMaster (talk) 18:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Spud (talk) 01:46, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


Hi, can I send you na email regarding a personal problem I'm having with this Wiki? Os2tadd (talk) 16:33, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes. Click on "Email this user" in the sidebar on the left. Spud (talk) 16:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


I'm not the only one under the near complete impression it is a persistent sock evasion, as the person was using the same arguments and exact same broken english/misspellings as a sock CircularReasoning, Oxy, Cosmic etc have all banned before, with their various sock evasions all detailed on the MMT talk, the saloon bar, and my talk page. Doesn't have to do with disagreeing, the sock had engaged in vandalism and anti-Semitism spamming while vandalizing. If I used the wrong avenues to talk about it then I'll use that mod chat you linked moe.

But now I know to be in contact with more admins before permabanning anyone who isn't that guy admins keep banning over and over as explained in detail in multiple section on my talk page and the MMT talk page and the saloon bar once, and thanks for the notice Neiltyson1fan (talk) 00:54, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Basically, Geekay is the same guy who made this section on my page threatening coop, this person was blocked by many admins before and who said they would take my side on my coop as this person in question is an obvious sock of many many IPs and accounts to anyone that's looked into it. One example he calls, "edit wars", "edition wars", if you ctl+F for that phrase in the talk page and the archive of the MMT page Neiltyson1fan (talk) 01:07, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

It's on the mod page now, as you asked, I was unaware of this page previously, having used Saloon bar in the past, and thanks for notifying me of it. Neiltyson1fan (talk) 01:38, 24 January 2021 (UTC)


The fact that they have sockpuppets at all is alarming. Oxyaena Harass 09:41, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

The one sock I know about for certain was created after the block in order to contact a sysop and dispute the block. But like I said, I'm not on anybody's side in this matter. Not at the moment. I just want to see things done fairly. Spud (talk) 12:47, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

WRT edited WIGO

I assume that was the one with the slave owner statue desecration ban? If so, I was literally unable to understand what the WIGO in question was, hence my expansion of it. Sorry if I stood on your toes, but a joke headline only works if there also is a setup. I may have been excessive in correcting it though, so apologies if I went too far. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 15:58, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

@Sirius No apology needed. Although I do think you were wrong to tell me not to editorialize. I wrote it that way because it was a bad news story. And bad news stories always get downvoted, no matter how missional they are, unless you make it clear in the WIGO that you think it's a bad news story too. But it doesn't matter now. To be a successful editor on any wiki, you have to be a bit thick skinned. To be a successful editor on this wiki, you have to be very thick skinned. I never get upset by anything anyone ever says here about me or my edits. Spud (talk) 16:28, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
o7. Fair enough then! I'll take the criticism to heart though! Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 16:55, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

A concern about your habit

At least you got the money in the end. What I want to know is whether you managed to kick to your habit? In fact I'm shocked that someone as rational as Begbie hasn't joined the site, to follow your example. Leucippus 20:45, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

My Mum and Dad were calling me Spud looooong before Trainspotting was published. Spud (talk) 11:33, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
My NEXt question: when do you intend to start legal proceedings against Irving Welch? Or have you already? We can't have this many Spuds in one world! We're already struggling to deal with the epidemic of Helena Bonham Carter impersonators! When? oh WHen? will the madness end.Leucippus 16:30, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


What's Uzantoskatoloj? Is it hungarian? Or Esperanto? Kevlarstar and his dog (Woof!) 13:01, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

@Kevlarstar Your second guess is correct. It's Esperanto. Spud (talk) 00:11, 16 February 2021 (UTC)


Can you put this straight and tell him to stop reverting my edits. If I did not know better I would think he is a passive-aggressive sock of Ken.--Mercian (talk) 16:38, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Once again Mercian has gotten the wrong end of the stick. He’s referring to an accidental rollback whilst editing on a phone that I immediately corrected. Hardly warrants moderator attention. Christopher (talk) 16:44, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Yeah accidental rollbacks happen. I've done it several times. Nothing to get excited over Mercian. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 18:19, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Over the last few days Christopher has reverted more than one of my edits including on my talk page which I thought to be sacrosanct which is why I feel this revert was a little more than coincidence.--Mercian (talk) 18:30, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
You’re being paranoid. Did I do this a few minutes before to cover my tracks? What could I possibly gain from one of your edits being reverted for less than a minute? I reverted one instance of talkpage blanking (which you’re not allowed to do even if it is your own page, see RW:CS#Talk pages), and I’m pretty certain that’s it. I’m guessing you’re still annoyed at me over the incident a few days ago where you incorrectly assumed I’d protected your talk page. Christopher (talk) 18:36, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Small correction: I undid one other instance of removing talkpage content, this time from my own talkpage, during the page protection confusion. I can see why it looks like I’m out to get you for some reason, but it’s just a series of misunderstandings. Christopher (talk) 18:50, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Wank from that stupid wanker Ken

More wank from that stupid wanker Ken


is there anyway I can stop this hateful prick vomiting over my talk page?--Mercian (talk) 16:28, 27 April 2021 (UTC)

Not unless you permanently set the page to autoconfirmed users only. Even then, he'll probably hop into my talkpage and talk about some other editor. PoorlyDrawnRockford.jpeg Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 16:42, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
@Mercian Rockford the Roe is right. Since you're not a moderator or a member of the Board of Trustees and you don't even edit mainspace articles very often, I don't see any harm in you permanently semi-protecting your talk page so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. It isn't as if many BoNs, new users or anybody else really will ever desperately need to contact you. It does mean that the problem will probably just move somewhere else. But at least it won't be your problem anymore.
I've semi-protected my talk ;page because I don't want that arsehole bothering me until after my late sister's birthday. The protection will expire on 6 May and I won't protect it again, at least not for a while. I expect to get more crap from Ken after that. I'm never going to respond to it ever again, I'm not going to read it. I'm not even going to look at it. But I'm not going to remove it either. I'm going to hide it and ignore it. Spud (talk) 00:47, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Watch out! Ken will now add on his essay about how we're on his mercy, and how he alone is causing a mental breakdown on RW userbase. GeeJayK (talk) 00:56, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
@GeeJayK I don't care. I was a post-Conservapedia user until LT showed up here, followed by Ken as GiuocoPiano and then Sievert81 (who did turn out to be harmless). I don't see any reason why I can't now go back to being a post-Conservapedia user again. I'm going to avoid anything to do with Conservapedia and Ken's stupid essay as much as I possibly can. But I'll say this now. I don't see how Ken can claim that Conservapedia doesn't have a "What's going on at RationalWiki" page when that's what all of the so called essays he's edited in the past month have been in all but name. Spud (talk) 01:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Just in case I wasn't clear, I was being ironic. GeeJayK (talk) 03:54, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Oh, OK. It genuinely would bother some people. But not me. Spud (talk) 04:04, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
as i have said many times before responding to the prick is like responding to a chimp flinging his shit. you only give him a targetAMassiveGay (talk) 16:02, 28 April 2021 (UTC)


I thought he was elected as a mod. What happened? Roman Sionis tends to be inactive during summer 20:29, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

He resigned. Christopher (talk) 20:37, 15 May 2021 (UTC)
That is correct. Spud (talk) 23:28, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Name filter

Can you not block Oliver Smith's name on the word filter for new account creations? Coombs is creating them almost everyday (view the block log) 2A06:1700:0:12:0:0:0:1 (talk) 12:49, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

Don't ask me. Ask someone who knows about technical stuff. Spud (talk) 12:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)


HardWork.jpg Tireless Worker Award
To Spud for protecting RW from account creation spam and harassment when no one else could.

Unrelated, but since I'm already here. Can you please answer my question here? GeeJayK (talk) 02:16, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

@GeeJayK Thank you for the award. It's much appreciated.
To answer your question, I also believe UShistoryanalyzer's primary reason for coming here was to be disruptive. Not to be disruptive just for the sake of being disruptive but to push a political viewpoint that he knew was the opposite of that of most RW editors and he knew would lead to conflict. OK, he has abided by the topic ban, although he tried to evade it at first by still writing on talk pages and writing about American history and politics on other users' talk pages, but I'm not aware of him making any worthwhile contributions anywhere else on the wiki. He has recently taken to writing very poor quality entries on the WIGO CP talk page about things happening on Conservapedia that aren't worth paying attention to and just make us look pathetic by paying attention to them.
As you are yourself, GeeJayK, I am concerned by UShistoryanalyzer's close relationship to LT. I am particularly concerned by his constant insistence that LT is somehow better than the other Conservapedia editors. He isn't. If he had any decency, he would stop editing Conservapedia. And he's now trying to follow in Ken's footsteps by creating multiple socks to troll us over here.
But this does seem to be pretty much irrelevant now. UShistoryanalyzer has made multiple edits today but hasn't responded to your post. I guess he doesn't want to be sysop too. Spud (talk) 06:55, 30 May 2021 (UTC)
Hum, I see your point. I have more important things to do, like taking care of my wedding, so don't expect me to do anything for the next few weeks as I won't be able to come here for more than a few minutes a day. But most of his edits over the last month were in fact reverting vandalism, which we all have to agree it's productive. In my opinion the main problem is the grudge with Flandres and Plutocow. He answered on is talk page, saying that he agrees with the conditions, maybe we could ask him to not revert their stuff, kinda like an informal iban, that won't automatically result in a block. This could happen even without a demotion, maybe. I'll think about your points when I have time. Thanks again for your answer. GeeJayK (talk) 16:06, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Board nomination

You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline here; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. Bongolian (talk) 07:31, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Congrats on the board membership

You have been re-elected to the board for the next 2 years. I'm assuming @Cosmikdebris will take care of all this from here as the secretary of the board, I just ran the results. -- Techpriest (talk) 22:21, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Hey, Spud, do you have a Discord or something we can discuss Board matters at? Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 03:12, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
@DuceMoosolini The right place for discussing board stuff is in the Google Group.
I joined Discord when I still had my old computer that stopped working in April 2020. Now I haven't got a clue what my password is. I suppose I ought try to do something about that, Spud (talk) 04:06, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I can’t seem to make that work, and the other four of us are in the Support Chat? Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 18:14, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
All I get when I click that Google link is "content unavailable". Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 17:02, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Hope you're having a great birthday Spud!

For this special occasion I wanted to give you something. You will be happy to know that I have scoured the entire website to find the finest gift GIF known to humanity. Here:

Mind yourself. - Rairyu75 (Talk) 17:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

@Rairyu75 Thank you very much. I had a great birthday. I decided to do no work of any kind (either work-related work or wiki work). And I'm now a bit hung over after drinking a bottle of Famous Grouse. Spud (talk) 00:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Happy 10th RW anniversary

Yay. BeardOfZeus (talk) 23:37, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

@BeardOfZeus Thank you. Spud (talk) 12:30, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Your awesomeness knows no bounds

You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations. ShabiDOO 16:43, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

And I am very happy to accept the nomination. Spud (talk) 17:03, 1 November 2021 (UTC)


At least give the person a couple of points for ingenuity in coming up with Bond-related pen-names. Perhaps there could be a category - Ingenious Vandalism or similar? Anna Livia (talk) 11:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Anna Livia No. We don't want to draw attention to vandals or celebrate them in any way. Spud (talk) 12:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
Shall we say - some vandals are more RW-worthy than others (and deserve better than 'mindless generic vandalism' categorisation). Anna Livia (talk) 13:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
No! Spud (talk) 13:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I should put this in here

HardWork.jpg Tireless Worker Award
For blocking 20+ Mikemikev socks when no one else could

PoorlyDrawnRockford.jpeg Rockford the Roe boop my snootpraise Oscar Wilde 14:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Rockford the Roe Thank you. I was so relieved to see that this message wasn't Anna Livia praising the bloody twat's creativity again. Spud (talk) 00:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
One should find amusement (even in passing) where one can - and there was a discussion at the Saloon Bar. You should know my taste for weak puns by now. Anna Livia (talk) 09:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)


Wigorw.svg Congratulations on your election as Moderator in 2021. Good luck on your mission, and always remember, all the goats are here to back you up.

cosmikdebris talk stalk 23:30, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

I didn't vote but you and Bongolian would have been my only choices. Acei9 00:28, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
@Ace McWicked You should have voted. But thanks for having condidence i nn me anyway. Spud (talk) 01:17, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

Trolls and deletable bad puns

At least I feed them jaggery, rather than 'dead dove' (and I sometimes amuse others). Anna Livia (talk) 00:27, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

Amuse others? No you fucking don't. Spud (talk) 13:15, 4 January 2022 (UTC)

About Andrew5

I made the right decision as far as no longer contributing to this website. If someone is free to harass a new contributor at this website with zero consequences, it's a website that I would rather not be involved in. Granger34 (talk) 06:20, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

You sound a lot like one user I interacted who also said they were leaving this site at the slightest irritation (also deemed the interaction as "hassling") and is repeatedly announcing to leave the site. But, we'll see. Stay out of trouble. It's nothing personal, we just have a bit of a rereg problem around here so just edit articles with effort, share your political beliefs, etc, and you'll be good. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 06:44, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Either Andrew5 is an irritating wikicop who made a rude, false and ridiculous accusation against a new user or he isn't? Since Andrew5 did commit this offense, he should face consequences or he will keep engaging in this type of behavior. He may even do this with me. Already, he said I may have committed a "crime". As far as sharing my political beliefs before I will be considered "good", frankly this is inquisitorial thought policing. It is Kafkaesque and Owellian.
This is the most bizarre thing I have encountered since I have been on the internet. And the former admin Andrew5 and present moderation team should be ashamed of themselves. If you keep up your present inquisitorial system that favors a former administrator like Andrew5, you are going to erode your userbase quickly. Granger340 (talk) 11:23, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
If you're trying to play the good faith martyr, maybe don't make a duplicate account to do so. Also don't concern troll about our 'user base'. You've made yourself look like a pillock. Queexchthonic murmurings
Kafkaesque and Orwellian? Those are pretty strong adjectives to use regarding a user being obnoxious on a website. Granger, consider just contributing here and adapting to the environment and understanding that this will blow over and Andrew's wikicoping will eventually be resolved, or find one of the many other websites that are more suitable to your tastes. As right as you may be, I don't think any organisation or group are extremely receptive to a new member who hasn't done much telling people how to do things better and threatening to leave if they don't immediately change. ShabiDOO 11:46, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I know I am right. And I am not going to support a Kafkaesque and Orwellian website by contributing content to it. And if a website's moderator/administrator team is not receptive to a new member making a legitimate complaint, that is their problem and not mine. Granger340 (talk) 11:55, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
Ok, bye. Queexchthonic murmurings 12:22, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
I hope you find your ideal website, ShabiDOO 12:38, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Ideal website? That is a false dilemma. If I choose not to edit further at a website that treats me badly that must mean I am seeking the ideal website. You guys are acting like it's the early days of the internet and there are not a ton of other decent places to contribute. Keep dreaming. Goodbye and good riddance. Gman (talk) 12:54, 11 January 2022 (UTC)