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::::Fuck you're a paranoid weirdo Rob. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User_Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>McWicked</sup>]] 01:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Fuck you're a paranoid weirdo Rob. [[User:Ace McWicked|Ace]][[User_Talk:Ace McWicked|<sup>McWicked</sup>]] 01:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Rob you are not suppose to actively campaign for yourself. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 01:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::Rob you are not suppose to actively campaign for yourself. {{User:Π/Sig|}} 01:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::Ok, that was funny. :-D RobS, I'm sorry if these comments hurt your feelings, but honestly, you really do seem to be obsessed with communism to the point where it seems a bit overboard. It's a rare gift when you can get honest feedback on yourself from people.. why not listen to these viewpoints and think about your approach, if you really are convinced of this and are looking to convince others, it might be more effective to relate it another way. But then again, what do I know (not much!) lol. [[User:Refugee|<font color="#000066">Refugee</font>]][[User_Talk:Refugee|<font color = "#00F0A20"><sup>talk page</sup></font>]] 01:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)  
::::::Ok, that was funny. :-D RobS, I'm sorry if these comments hurt your feelings, but honestly, you really do seem to be obsessed with communism to the point where it seems a bit overboard. It's a rare gift when you can get honest feedback on yourself from people.. why not listen to these viewpoints and think about your approach, if you really are convinced of this and are looking to convince others, it might be more effective to relate it another way. But then again, what do I know (not much!) lol. [[User:Refugee|<font color="#000066">Refugee</font>]]
[[User_Talk:Refugee|<font color = "#00F0A20"><sup>talk page</sup></font>]] 01:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Yah, bbbbut...ok thanks. But it's not really not really monomaniacal, communism is an umbrella issue.  Gay rights, environmentalism, abortion, school prayer (or lack there of) are all commie plots.  Don't you see?  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 01:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
'''{{ken}}'''  - Why has this not been mentioned already?  {{User:Theemperor/Sig}}
'''{{ken}}'''  - Why has this not been mentioned already?  {{User:Theemperor/Sig}}
:The only monomania Ken has is Google rankings. Although he has a narrow range he divides his editing between Atheism, Homosexuality, Evolution and Obama's economic policies. {{User:Genghis Khant/sig}} 18:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
:The only monomania Ken has is Google rankings. Although he has a narrow range he divides his editing between Atheism, Homosexuality, Evolution and Obama's economic policies. {{User:Genghis Khant/sig}} 18:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

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Last year's winners (for reference)

  • Arrogance - TerryH (slight win)
  • Bigotry - Ed Poor
  • Delusions of Grandeur - RobS (surprise I was sure Ken would take that one)
  • Heavy-handed - TK
  • Idiocy - Ed Poor
  • Inaesthetic - Conservative (actually Freedom 777 and Jallen got perfect 10 but they only received 1 vote each and Ken deserves recognition.)
  • Liability - Bugler
  • Liar - TerryH
  • Power crazed - Bugler
  • Puerility - Conservative


Nominations - Arrogance

TerryH - "Under the authority of Mr. Schlafly, I am now going to oversee this Project in the name of the administration. My qualifications are these: I can read Greek almost as fast as I can read English, and I've begun a study of Biblical Hebrew. I've also been an administrator for a long time, and I would have the time to devote to this Project that oversight would require." Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget his constant bragging about his 'lexicons' and 'I translated a whole gospel in a week' Broccoli 13:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
The whole taking-over-parts-of-the-CBP bit makes TerryH the man to beat in this category (the CBP itself belongs under Delusions of Grandeur. Andy's recent reluctance to accept any of Roger's criticisms of the B.S. in the Relativity was my runner-up, but I think that deserves it's own category for "Greatest HITS (Head-In-The-Sand) Performance". --SpinyNorman 15:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Andy - for claiming to be inspired by God and for ignoring criticism in every form. Tetronian you're clueless 17:14, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Arrogance

Whilst I like the dig at Obama the name is way too long, any suggestions? - π 13:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The 'Under the authority of Mr Schafly...' award? Broccoli 13:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
That does presuppose that TerryH wins. - π 13:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The Al Gore - Invention of the Internet Award Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:34, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice, definitely a front runner. May inventor instead. Did he actual say that or was it mined out of all proportions? - π 13:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/03/09/president.2000/transcript.gore/
-- Nx / talk 15:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
He claimed to have provided funding for the development of the internet... and it's actually true.
From WP: Internet pioneers Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn have also noted that, "as far back as the 1970s, Congressman Gore promoted the idea of high speed telecommunications as an engine for both economic growth and the improvement of our educational system. He was the first elected official to grasp the potential of computer communications to have a broader impact than just improving the conduct of science and scholarship [...] the Internet, as we know it today, was not deployed until 1983. When the Internet was still in the early stages of its deployment, Congressman Gore provided intellectual leadership by helping create the vision of the potential benefits of high speed computing and communication. As an example, he sponsored hearings on how advanced technologies might be put to use in areas like coordinating the response of government agencies to natural disasters and other crises."[48] 22:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
That just goes to show you how government intervention and assistance programs don't work and are waste of tax-payer money. - π 23:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
How about the "Andrew Jackson Manifest Destiny" award for arrogance? --SpinyNorman 23:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Or the Michelle Obama $540 Shoes Award. This incident is enshrined for posterity. [1] RobS 01:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Errr Rob, I wouldn't be too proud of one of Kens "articles" AceMcWicked 01:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Seriously, that sour grapes screed reads more like Ken's jealous that a lady to worked her buns off to get where she is has a pair of fancy Lanvin sneaks when he's been wearing the same pair of fetid Chuck Taylors for the last five years. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 01:14, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
What is she a partner in a law firm? She would earn what 1, 2 million a year? She would get more than Obama and he is the president. I pretty much agree with Nutty, most the people who complain that she is rich wouldn't put the work in to get that rich themselves. - π 01:20, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Seriously, what the fuck? What was she supposed to wear? Was she supposed to be dressed as a bum? What did Sarah Palin wear when she was out campaigning/ What about McCain's wife? What a fucking pile of tripe. AceMcWicked 01:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
$540 is more than two and a half times the monthly food stamp alottment for the poor, downtrodden, oppressed homeless she purported or pretended to be concerned about. And the rumor is she is a disbarred attorney for, of all things--medical insurance fraud. RobS 01:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Rumor has it RobS is responsible for the JFK assassination. Hey, this game is fun! --Kels 01:52, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Rumours Rob? really? Anyway, so what was she supposed to wear? What would of McCain's wife worn? AceMcWicked 01:54, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


Nominations - Bigotry

Everyone - Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Do you want to be more specific or do you really want to nominate everyone? - π 14:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I do think that this could be shared but awarding it might be a problem. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 14:14, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Roger - mostly for pointing out that the comment about his mommy was "made by a Jew" and is therefore untrusworthy. Tetronian you're clueless 14:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Jpatt - "he [Obama is] half white half black half muslim half commie" [2] SJ Debaser 19:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Ed Poor Last years winner and a complete bigot. - π 22:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Bigotry

Jesse Helm's Memorial award was a great name. Besides what are they going to do, delete their picture of Jesse Helm's? Although Jpatt will probably move it for no reason. - π 13:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I went ahead a re-jigged last years.

This is to certify that

John Patti

received the


From RationalWiki, on November 21, 2009

Thoughts? - π 00:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Delusions of grandeur

Nominations - D of G

ASchlafly - The complete jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 12:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Andy for the win - the Conservative Bible Project, with his claims of being guided by the Holy Spirit, paired with the scathing condemnation from right-wingers and the WND, makes him untouchable in this category. --SpinyNorman 15:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
And don't forget bitch slapping his brother at cp:relativity. Andy FTW indeed. Tetronian you're clueless 15:55, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
We've also forgotten his grandiose attampts to teach history to the kiddies. He wins for that alone in my book. --Psygremlin말하십시오 16:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
And his dream to detect liberal style with a formula (MarkGall's idea but Andy was undoubtedly the one having wet dreams about it). Tetronian you're clueless 16:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Andy - no doubt on this. AceMcWicked 00:23, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Ed Poor - User #188, plus a few more claimed credentials (feel free to add specific examples). Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:31, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

TerryH - see Arrogance above

 K e n  D o l l  -- for believing that the number of page views of his pet articles has anything to do with their merit or acceptance. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 19:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

TK But only up until the other month. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 22:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Geo.plrd - for the Conservapedia:AwardsConservlogo late april.png, that were never awarded. - π 23:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - D of G

The George W. Bush Mission Accomplished Award. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

While delusional, I don't think that was really delusional of grandeur.. --GTac 19:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


Nominations - Heavy handedness

DouglasA for his blocks of anyone attempting to improve the CBP. Broccoli 13:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

TK fo his mass-blocking of anyone. Broccoli 13:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. TK's done more to block or drive away editors and IP ranges than anyone else, and Andy seems to enjoy the silence. --SpinyNorman 15:55, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
His unilateral decision to declare several key editors "retired" before wiping out their user pages and uncomfortable talk-page criticisms is also a standout performance. --SpinyNorman 16:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
The award was made for TK. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 19:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Should we even have this award? - π 00:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Heavy handedness

The TSA 100 ml. Max. Bottle-size Award Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:47, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
The Dick ("Enhanced interrogation is not torture") Cheney Award --SpinyNorman 15:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
The "Don't Taze Me, Bro" Award. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 22:40, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


Nominations - Idiocy

JPatt has amply demonstrated his credentials in this department. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 12:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Conservative has earned a spot as a perennial nominee in this category. DickTurpis 13:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Aschlafly He pays for that mess. - π 14:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm tempted to go with Andy again on this one, on the basis of all the errors in his World History class that he was called out on yet refused to correct. Being an idiot is one thing, but being an idiot paid by others to educate their kids puts you in another category altogether. --SpinyNorman 16:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

AddisonDM - for calling laughing at a dead spouse "liberal" behaviour. That seriously pissed me off. SJ Debaser 19:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

RobS, surely? CrundyTalk nerdy to me 22:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Jinx - has to be. AceMcWicked 00:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Idiocy

The Ed Poor Memorial Award for Idiocy Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

He is still alive. Idiot of the year has such a nice ring to it. The real question is designing his life-time achievement plaque. - π 13:38, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


Nominations - Inaesthetic

Geo.plrd for his CP medal designs. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 12:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

This was my favorite, with the "Agriculture" medal being a standout. These were done in December 2008, though, so are we doing this on an anniversary-year or calendar-year basis? --SpinyNorman 16:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
They were after the last CP Day so should be eligible. Although, like the Oscars, it's often the more recent stuff that comes to people's minds. Unlike Ken's random MainPageLeft additions, the CP Medals were "designed" by someone who claims on their WP user page to ... hold certificates in Dreamweaver, Flash, Illustrator, and Photoshop. BTW, Dentistry was my particular favorite. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 16:33, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm not surprised to see that JPatt made an abhorrent medal by scabbing mine. Yet Ken gets my vote for total incompetence. PICTURE! QUOTE! PICTURE! HITWIN! PubliusTalk 23:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Conservative Just any time he touches the Main Page. - π 14:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. Also for about every other page he is in control off. And his userpage which always reminds me of those old geocities pages with countless of animated gifs. I think  K e n  D o l l  would embed midis on pages if he knew how! --GTac 19:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah,  K e n  D o l l 's random ejaculation's onto the homepage win it for me. Ole ole ole!! CrundyTalk nerdy to me 22:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Ken for the win. AceMcWicked 00:31, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

FOIA - looked at the Alger Hiss article recently? Tetronian you're clueless 14:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, but he did clean up the references a bit. It was worse. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 20:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Conservative Bible Project - written like a Unix man page but harder to read and completely devoid of any of the poetry in the KJV. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 19:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

But which editor of it is the worst? Broccoli 20:31, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I would say the award should go to everyone with any appreciable number of edits. That thing is like staring a walking inside-out colon in the face: a hideous shit-covered travesty that cannot go unrewarded. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 20:47, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
MarkGail set up the ugly template they used how about him instead. - π 22:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Inaesthetic

The Rotten Mold Award for Visual Appeal? ĵ₳¥ášÇ♠ʘ would rather be hated for who he is than loved for who he is not 14:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I still like last year, especially give how handsome Dembski is. - π 14:40, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
The You Can't Paint a Turd Award for Visual Appeal Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 20:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I like Nutty's idea. Do we have a picture of a turd? Tetronian you're clueless 21:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I always knew it as not being able to polish a turd. Eh, either way, I like it. As for the turd picture, I'm sure we could come up with something. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 21:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
You're right - polish a turd. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 21:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
It is better to find a picture on CP first and create the name the other way around. - π 22:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Michael Moore dress sense award? - π 22:33, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


Nominations - Liability

Joaquin Martinez for his image copyright violations. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 12:28, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

TK is such an obvious choice as the project would have far more contributors without him. - π 13:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Ed Poor Conservapedia would have better articles if he didn't create them. - π 22:15, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Liability

The Sarah Palin Running Mate Award Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Is there such a thing as too perfect? - π 14:05, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Maybe we could shorten it a bit (maybe take out the words "running mate")? Tetronian you're clueless 14:51, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
It really works better in the long form, so I'd leave it as-is. Makes me wonder if we need a "Sarah Palin Going Rogue" or "Maverick" category, with PJR as this year's clear winner. --SpinyNorman 16:09, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Nah, that would be designing the category just for one person, which isn't very fair. Tetronian you're clueless 16:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I can see this as a running category. Philip is an extreme case because he went off and founded his own wiki, but I'm also thinking of the inner-circle sysops from 2008 who found that a line was crossed on one or more key issues and decided to leave CP after Andy refused to support them, or his highly-regarded female student who objected to Andy's different "boys & girls" standards before re-succumbing to his authority in the end. --SpinyNorman 16:49, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Sarah Plain is easy two photo, the first they would never delete. - π 22:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


Nominations - Liar

TK - Maybe a lifetime achievement award and removed from further candidacy. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:08, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

TK by a wide margin, but my favorite specific example was his claim that ASK was sharing IP information with CP. --SpinyNorman 16:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Or anything else he's written on CP or RW. TK by a wide margin. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 19:55, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Yup, TK for the "A liberal website has started forging screenshots" comment after he got oversight. CrundyTalk nerdy to me 22:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Andy (as we can't have just TK) - "The Holy Spirit guides us!" on the CBP. SJ Debaser 19:33, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Jinx - for pretending he didn't want his rights back. Tetronian you're clueless 19:47, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Liar

The Joe Wilson Award (maybe expand a little) Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 14:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I'd rather use that name for a new category, "Incivility", with the Joe Wilson Award being the prize. Many, many worthy entries to choose from for that category. --SpinyNorman 16:12, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

What about the Nick Naylor Award For Blatant Lies (a reference to the film Thank You For Smoking) Tetronian you're clueless 14:57, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

A little broader in the reference perhaps. - π 15:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
My nominations would be the "Fox News We Distort You Decide" award, or the simpler "Mark 'Taking a Hike' Sanford" award. --SpinyNorman 16:19, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I like the Fox News one. Tetronian you're clueless 16:41, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
The Fox News Truthiness Award? Corry 17:53, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


Nominations - Power

TK - For his prodigal son, rags to riches, comeback. still waiting for bureaucrat thoughRedchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 12:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

He is never going to get crat, Andy hold on to it too tight. Only him, his pet student and the webmaster are crats. - π 14:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

JinxMcHue - For his Gollum-like "Sméagol would like his precious back. Pretty please, Master." Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 12:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Jinx should definitely be on the nomination list though. - π 12:27, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

TerryH That mad power grab on the bible project. - π 12:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

More like arrogance with his pocket reference library. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Assfly I mean come on, rewriting the fucking bible, people!! CrundyTalk nerdy to me 22:47, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Thatcher and Heseltine, but with Jesus and Andy. SJ Debaser 23:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Power

The Senator Palpatine Award for Most Power-Crazed Corry 17:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Fucking Star Wars again, CP won't even have an appropriate picture. - π 22:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The Delusions of Competence Award I am eating Toast& honeychat 00:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


Nominations - Puerility

Conservative - Ken is the only real candidate for this with his silly shout-outs and YouTube video links. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 12:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

If field is poor we could scratch the category. - π 12:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Ken's given plenty of material over the past year to keep this category relevant. This is still a category up for grabs, though, given the sheer number of derogatory anti-Obama posters put up on the Front Page News at CP. --SpinyNorman 16:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Mostly by Ken if my memory serves me correctly. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 17:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Jinx is quite the whiner. DickTurpis 14:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Seconded. Jinx was the first name that came to my mind when I read "puerile", especially redirecting us to goatse. --PitchBlackMind My voice just echoes off these walls 17:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Andy is a big baby too. DickTurpis 14:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Puerility

The Glenn Beck award (featuring a picture of him crying)? --SpinyNorman 00:06, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely perfect, even if we don't have the picture of him crying.--EcheNegraMente Cooler than a polar bear's toenails 00:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


I would like to see this added as a category, but it would pretty much be a battle between FOIA and BertSchlossberg. - π 13:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I think FOIA would be the outright winner, as proven by the sheer number of edits he has made to the Alger Hiss article. Tetronian you're clueless 15:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
But Bert's been going longer (I think). I am eating Toast& honeychat 15:04, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Nominations - Monomania

FOIA - Alger Hiss

FOIA ran way with the category when he branched out into his "Legacy of Alger Hiss" article. --SpinyNorman 16:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
FOIA owns this category, it should probably be named after him.--الملعب الاسود العقل Is that a noose dressed like a necklace? 17:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

BertSchlossberg - KAL 007

Daniel1212 - All things involving man-on-man action

Good? - π 15:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Looks good to me. Tetronian you're clueless 15:08, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

RobSmith - His imagined communists everywhere. - π 15:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I think Rob qualifies for the "Most Paranoid" award. --PsygremlinПоговорите! 16:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Second RobSmith nomination (commies everywhere, oh no!) - Refugeetalk page 19:39, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
UPDATE: Conservative commentator and FOX News pundit Charles Krauthammer, who was widely criticized after writing in the National Review, "In today’s America, to be a Communist is a pose, not a conviction. After the Soviet collapse, Marxism is a relic, a pathetic anachronism reduced to its last redoubts: North Korea, Cuba, and the English departments of the more expensive American universities,"[3] has now seen the light. Krauthammer now writes, "White House communications director Anita Dunn... [has] been attacked for extolling Mao’s political philosophy in a speech at a high-school graduation.... Mao, the greatest...creator of a slave society of a near-billion worker bees wearing Mao suits and waving the Little Red Book..." [4] Hmmm, where's Krauthammer getting his talking points from? [5] RobS 01:37, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Fuck you're a paranoid weirdo Rob. AceMcWicked 01:40, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Rob you are not suppose to actively campaign for yourself. - π 01:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Ok, that was funny. :-D RobS, I'm sorry if these comments hurt your feelings, but honestly, you really do seem to be obsessed with communism to the point where it seems a bit overboard. It's a rare gift when you can get honest feedback on yourself from people.. why not listen to these viewpoints and think about your approach, if you really are convinced of this and are looking to convince others, it might be more effective to relate it another way. But then again, what do I know (not much!) lol. Refugee

talk page 01:53, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Yah, bbbbut...ok thanks. But it's not really not really monomaniacal, communism is an umbrella issue. Gay rights, environmentalism, abortion, school prayer (or lack there of) are all commie plots. Don't you see? RobS 01:58, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

 K e n  D o l l  - Why has this not been mentioned already? The Emperor Kneel before Zod!

The only monomania Ken has is Google rankings. Although he has a narrow range he divides his editing between Atheism, Homosexuality, Evolution and Obama's economic policies. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 18:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

WesleyS (now deceased) for his obsession over categorization. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 20:33, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Nominating an old sock? Seriously we should restrict this too people we are sure are genuine, so we don't end up like last year where Bugler was first or second for nearly every award. - π 22:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I never really considered him a "sock" per se. He wasn't inserting liberal biases and whatnot. Just found it interesting to work for the other side for a few months. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 22:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
It is more the self nomination I object to. - π 22:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Then I redact my nomination. I can agree to that. I just thought y'all forgot about him. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 22:33, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Award - Monomania

The Joseph Farah "Where's the Birth Certificate?" Award for Monomania - π 15:07, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I like the birther theme a lot but there is one person who is identified with being a birther and absolutely nothing else: The Dr. Orly Taitz Esquire Service Award for Exemplary Monomania Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 19:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Orly would be great for Delusions of Grandeur. We have a politician in Australia that would be perfect, he is an anti-porn activist that buys the stuff to watch it, complain about it and push for regulations based on what he sees. It turns out he now has the largest private collection of porn in Australia. Pity about the lack of cultural relevance to CP. - π 23:28, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

New Categories

This discussion was moved here from Debate:2009 Conservapedia day awards.

Monomania? - π 12:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

How about some nice awards? Broccoli 13:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Fuck that. - π 13:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
"The Bugler Memorial Award for Almost Certainly Being a Parodist". Scarlet A.pnggnostic 13:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Publius already has the "Parodist's Parodist" Excellence in Parody Prize. - π 13:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
But isn't that a RationalWiki prize? I still think maybe Roger deserves a chance at an award for attempting to argue with Andy. Broccoli 13:34, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Nominate him on the talk page. - π 13:36, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I second Broccolli's suggestion above, how about a "well-intentioned but misinformed" award? nominations could be HSMom, PJR and possibly Joaquin Martinez. or would PJR still qualify as an ex-CPer? Refugeetalk page 20:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
also add Iduan. Refugeetalk page 20:37, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


How about a "Best Rebuke" award, for the best for pwnership of Andy where the critic got away with it. --SpinyNorman 16:28, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I would say Roger's reply on the Relativity talk page where he called Andy's source "a kook," except that poor Roger didn't get away with it. Tetronian you're clueless 16:45, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

How many?

Last year we had ten awards and I can tell you that was a lot of work. With the multipoll feature voting will be easier, however awards still need to be made, pictures found ect. How many should we go with this year? Please keep in mind that we are nominating from a pool of only about 25 people. - π 23:00, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

We currently have

  • Arrogance
  • Bigotry
  • Delusions of Grandeur
  • Heavy-handed
  • Idiocy
  • Inaesthetic
  • Liability
  • Liar
  • Misplaced erudition
  • Monomania
  • Paranoia
  • Power crazed
  • Puerility

With Suggestions of:

  • Denalism
  • Misogyny
  • Unbalanced

Should we cull a few? - π 00:16, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Misplaced erudition

Rjjenson's apparently a teacher of world history who is surely betraying his learning by editing @ CP. I am eating Toast& honeychat 13:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Sounds a bit rude. - π 13:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Roger Schlafly for attempting to point out the problems with cp:Relativity? Broccoli 13:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Nominations - Misplaced erudition



Looks good. - π 13:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
He's a wise man in the company of fools. Either way, I don't think he should be given a 'bad' award, but maybe just recognised as 'the best' of a 'bad bunch'? MarcusCicero 14:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Nope, he's as bad as the rest of them. Possibly worse. he copy/pastes his work from CD, he's as happy to block as the rest of them, he backs down when idiots like Rob and Andy trash history - his specialty and he ignores and allows Andy to teach the garbage he calls history to children. Some professor he is. Anyway, "best of a bad bunch" award belongs to darlin' Jess... but I'm biased that way. --PsygremlinSermā! 14:30, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
If I were an American Conservative (Any website owner really) and a group of little internet shites devoted their internet life to attacking my website, I'd be a happy blocker as well. Jensen copies/pastes articles he wrote for CZ. As far as I can tell. Either way you're talking rubbish. MarcusCicero 15:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
And for a minute there I thought you were actually being reasonable. I know you'd be a happy blocker, yo'd fit right in over there. I also know that Jensen's response to being accused of plagiarism was to block the accuser (the accusation was made via mail - not on CP). Now address his ignorance on the history issue and still say I'm talking rubbish and copy/pasting stuff you wrote elsewhere is hardly enlightening, especially when it's been shown he also copies across other people's additions to his work. Hell, MC, just think of this as TV - if you don't like what you read here, change chanels, if you don't want your darlin' prof to get an award, don't vote for him. There's really no need for yet another of your little hissy fits. --PsygremlinFale! 15:54, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Eh... What? What nonsense. Can you proove he is guilty of plagiarism? I don't see it myself. I've actually read one of his books and have nothing but the highest degree of respect for the man - he isn't irrational or guilt by association types like the RW self righteous brigade. Yap all you want, just don't be dishonest. MarcusCicero 17:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
ahhh MC, what a miserable prick you are. Warms my heart. AceMcWicked 01:24, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Misplaced erudition

The Groucho Marx I wouldn't want to join any club that would have me as a member Award Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 18:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Picture? - π 22:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, that is likely the only usable one there. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 01:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)


Nominations - Paranoia

Conservative - the gays are coming! The gays are coming! SJ Debaser 23:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Rob - no contest! I am eating Toast& honeychat 00:29, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Paranoia

The McCarthy Reds Under the Bed Award - π 22:22, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Parthian shot

I would like to see a new category for best Parthian shot. I guess that Philip would be a shoe in for this year though.--BobNot Jim 13:44, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Shoe in? Is that on Teflpedia? Snark aside, Parthian Shot writers have their talk pages burned and possibly locked. So we could only award them from here. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:50, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh noes. My embarrassment know no bounds. But even if it's only an award here I think it might be a good idea.--BobNot Jim 17:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
There were some great parting shots - PJR of course, Jazzman, TimS, Fox, Hojimachong, and what was that guys name that started with an "A" - Azi-xxx?, he used to post here too, and DanH if I recall correctly, Kotomi on Ask a bunch of others now long deleted and memory-burned, and even TK's own last shot upon being desysop'd way back when. Refugeetalk page 20:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
and SpineyNorman too. Refugeetalk page 20:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The So long and thank's for all the fish Award Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 18:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


How does the rule that if someone nominates them they are in sound? - π 13:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

As it goes to a vote then it doesn't matter if there are non-starters in the line up. The nominations above give the chance to explain why the candidates are worthy of the awards. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 13:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Seems fair enough. - π 13:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Anakin Skywalker Award

I just had an idea for an award for the editor who contains a faint glint of hope buried deep within their fundie interior. Addison comes to mind for this. He has at times displayed something approaching rational thought, and is young enough that there is still hope he may turn into a functioning human being once he is away from the clutches of Andy. Then again I'm sort of against the idea of making awards geared towards specific people. DickTurpis 14:58, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

That would be an interesting category, but there isn't too large of a field. The only people I can think of are Addison and perhaps PJR. Tetronian you're clueless 15:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
No, purely on the grounds it mentions Star Wars. - π 15:03, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Fuck you Pi. I want there to be a Theemperor Award. Oh, and stylistically, it should be called the Darth Vader award, as an Anakin Skywalker award would be given to a user here who has a tiny bit of religious fundamentalism buried deep within their black hole of a soul. The Emperor Kneel before Zod!
I say rename it to the PJR Glimmer of Hope Award, for showing that despite all the loonies, there's one there that still shows some sort of sanity. Kwsn (Ni!) 18:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Even if we don't make this a category, it would be interesting to debate whether PJR has a glimmer of hope or not. He did see through Andy's bullshit and TK's power games, but the ASK WIGOs prove that he still is a pretty messed up dude. Tetronian you're clueless 18:59, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Nominations: Philip J Rayment, AddisonDM, Bethany (altho haven't seen her in awhile).Refugeetalk page 20:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Being possessed of a perfectly reasonable name and making it anathema.

TerryH & T(Terry)K for bringing opprobrium on the name "Terry". I am eating Toast& honeychat 15:02, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

For being a parodist

How do we not have this as an award?? There have been plenty of parodists this past year. Tetronian you're clueless 15:10, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Because we are judging people based on their "qualities". Read last years debate for the reasons we avoided it. - π 15:13, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Oh, ok. Tetronian you're clueless 15:20, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Ramses Award (King of Denial)

Not to live too much in current events, but Andy's response to the WND condemnation of his ConservaBible project inspired this category. --SpinyNorman 16:33, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice pun. Redchuck.gif Генгисpillaging 18:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Denialism is not a bad category name. - π 22:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Most Unbalanced

I feel like we need an award to recognize true batshit insanity, and Jpatt comes to mind for me.--PitchBlackMind When everyone around me's busy drowning, I float 17:24, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the category, but I nominate Andy himself. Tetronian you're clueless 17:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
I beg to differ,  K e n  D o l l  is quite obviously the very embodiment of this award. --GTac 19:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Agree GTac. Ken is obviously mentally ill, but I have to say I find it disgusting to poke fun at it by giving him a flip award for "Most Imbalanced" when what he needs is competent medical attention. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 20:01, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Paranoia Award

I think an award for paranoia is missing. Andy, RobS, JPatt and several others are often so convinced that all kinds of stuff is happening because of the liberal/communist/atheist/homosexual/whatever agenda, this alone generated a bunch of great WIGOs. What do you think? (PS, sorry for adding another section, completely overlooked the "New Categories" section above) --GTac 19:25, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

I think this is a great idea. Any other takers? Tetronian you're clueless 19:26, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Endorsed fully. --The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 21:46, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Agreed. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 21:47, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Sound good. - π 22:21, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Technical issue

All those identical headers above should be altered to make them unique, otherwise linking to them fails, as does the "return after editing". ħumanUser talk:Human 19:48, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Also, you can't tell where people are editing in the RC blurb... ħumanUser talk:Human 21:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
My writing assignment is complete, Ed! :) Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 21:40, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Thanks!!! I have other stuff I'm working on (drudgery - moving web site to new host, have to change a few thousand links...) or I'd have done it. ħumanUser talk:Human 22:08, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Bah, "drudgery" is what I do for a living (see WesleyS or User:OCDBot). Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 22:11, 24 October 2009 (UTC)


Nomination: Ed Poor. Refugeetalk page 20:23, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The Susan B. Anthony Buck Stops Here Award? ħumanUser talk:Human 21:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Bigotry already covers this. - π 22:06, 24 October 2009 (UTC)
Repectfully disagree - I think misogyny should be an award unto itself. How can we not recognize huge numbers of Ed Poorisms such as:http://conservapedia.com/Essay:Women_wearing_pants - quote: "Women wearing pants is cross-dressing. It should be looked down on as much as men wearing dresses." and: http://conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Debate%3AWomen_in_the_Military%3F&diff=56181&oldid=53199 quote: "goes against God-given nature" - Women should not be in combat or combat support, where there at risk of being captured or killed by the enemy. Male soldiers will, by nature, want to rescue them from danger, even at the cost of neglected strategically more important missions." and his many additions to: http://conservapedia.com/Feminism - quote: "Specifically, a modern feminist tends to:... detest women who are happy in traditional roles, such as housewives,and especially dislike those who defend such roles...

I am also nominating ASchlafly for the "test questions should be different for girls than boys" debacle. Refugeetalk page 23:56, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

(How about Phyllis on a visiting professorship?) Just thinking about it, every woman who's made any meaningful contribution has left or been driven out so the whole site could be described as misogynistic; but Andy for his "rules of chivalry" & exam questions. Ed's just a dirty old man. I am eating Toast& honeychat 00:06, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
EC) Further: It might just be that females have too much sense than to maintain any involvement with such a whacko site (- or aSK come to think of it) I am eating Toast& honeychat 00:12, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
If we had misogyny we should drop one or two other. We have 13 now and remember there really is only about 25 people that could be nominated for all these awards. - π 00:10, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Besides a misogyny award should be named after Mummy Schlafly. - π 00:25, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
What he said! I am eating Toast& honeychat 01:34, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, if you think there are too many categories and it doesn't warrant it's own award, no problem, include it in Bigotry. I don't think we need to keep it if it means getting rid of another category. I guess it's more of a pet peeve of mine anyway - I stay pissed off daily at the endless entries derogatory to women at CP. lol. Refugeetalk page 01:00, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Might as well have it. I actual enjoy making the plaques. Although if we cut one it should be heavy-handedness. Last year TK won it after he had been absent for the year. - π 01:03, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I have a feeling TK could win that award if he'd been absent for a decade. lol. Maybe we can combine a few to make less categories? (such as misogyny included under Bigotry) So far all the suggestions look pretty good. Refugeetalk page 01:27, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Nominations - Misogyny

Ed Poor - Just a disgusting weird woman hating pervert. - π 01:54, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Award name - Misogyny

Here's a thought...

Why dont we do some RW awards. Pat ourselves on the back. AceMcWicked 00:34, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

A little wankey, although if RationalWikiWiki wants to do some. If they do I'll have to start the RationalWikiWikiWiki awards for RationalWikiWiki. - π 00:44, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
EC) And a nice impartial judge would be? Oh of course: Marcus Cicero. I am eating Toast& honeychat 00:46, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
I think Theemperor and you would sweep the pool. - π 00:47, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Just musing. AceMcWicked 00:48, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Omg, I was just going to post this idea myself! You beat me to it Ace! lol. I volunteer to judge. I think I'm pretty impartial (although I do have a slight bias towards one or two people here). :-D Refugeetalk page 01:02, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
No, wait - why not have a vote? Refugeetalk page 01:03, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
>A little wankey --GTac 01:10, 25 October 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I guess you are right... if it was by vote, I might nominate myself, and then vote myself up to one hundredand eleventy-someodd so I would win, then soon after that would start to feel ashamed of my enormous ego and huge need to win made me do such a thing and hurredly vote myself back down to negative 1000111eleventy and then end up just feeling stupid over then whole thing.. better to just nominate people and have Tmt decide or just have Pi make some more cool plaques and awards and we can stick them all over people's pages that we see doing stuff to say thanks and you've been recognized for your work.. or something. Refugeetalk page 01:22, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Award images

It is going to be supremely difficult to find the pictures we'd like to use for the awards on CP, what with the limited number of people who can upload said images. It has worked in years past, I suppose, but in regards to the suggestions above, we may have issues. I'll mull through their picture albums and find what I can. Aboriginal Noise What the hell is that thing? 01:35, 25 October 2009 (UTC)