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I think it's time to swivel that motherfucker around and point at women and say stop making yourself look like fucking sex clowns to milk money out of men's dicks. Stop lying about who you are and what you're about.
—Stefan Molyneux, MGTOW paladin[1]

Steve Stefan Molyneux (born 1966) is a British Irish-Canadian political activist, amateur philosopher and Internet pundit. Since 2005, Molyneux is the host of Freedomain Radio,[2] a podcast where he discusses his philosophy, politics, religion, science, and relationships.

He also writes regularly for anarcho-capitalist websites and has self-published several books. Molyneux has a group of very ardent fans, even though he is only questionably an ancap at this point, and is hated by a large portion of them: he defends cops, is a "racial realist", says weird red pill things about women, and is a hawk on Mid East relations. Hard to put it into words how dreadful he is, actually — a grim chimera of men's rights crybaby, white rights crybaby and some sort of fedora-lover's Glenn Beck[3] (or a thinking man's RooshV) who is known for mistreating his guests. It's not hard to piss him off, all you have to do is a.) ask questions or b.) be female.


[edit] Families

Arguably, Molyneux's most controversial viewpoint is his interpretation of the non-aggression principle. Molyneux believes that adults who deem their parents to be physically or psychologically aggressive should cease all connections with them, if previous attempts to mend any faulty relationships have failed, or resulted in begging for "unearned forgiveness".[4] His adherence to the non-aggression principle is so extreme that he claims that people who engage in or are drawn to contact sports were abused as children and/or had aggressive childhoods.[5]

“So face it: your parents were bullies, or weak curriers of favor, or manipulative emotional infants themselves. You have no respect for them, for respect requires courage, and courage requires logical morality. You do not love them, since love demands virtue, and manipulating children into blind obedience is not at all virtuous.”

You know your philosophy's good when Mr. Burns backs you up.

Honestly, he's kind of a sad individual. It's obvious Stefan has his own share of mommy issues (he's said before that he would have killed her had she not been his mother)[6] and has sublimated those into a hatred of all women and parents. Sometimes, he'll even go after a caller's dead grandparents, calling them moochers.

[edit] Alt-right

[edit] Men's rights

In a Venn diagram of horrible belief systems, Molyneux is a major figure in the men's rights movement. He was a speaker at the A Voice For Men 2014 conference, and uses the AVFM site to plug his videos.[7] The following is a claim he made about the effects women have on society.

"The evil that women are capable of and the evil that women do — not all women — but the evil that women do is generally invisible to society which is why there’s so much violence in society."[8]

Notice also how "attacking single mothers" is thrown around as an act of great bravery. Truly, single mothers are the most important issue of our time,[9][10] and the demographic most in need of attack:

"Women who choose the assholes will fucking end this race. They will fucking end this human race if we don't start holding them a-fucking-countable. Women who choose assholes guarantee child abuse. Women who choose assholes guarantee criminality. Sociopathy. Politicians. All the cold-hearted jerks who run the world came out of the vaginas of women who married assholes, and I don't know how to make the world a better place without holding women accountable for choosing assholes! Your dad was an asshole because your mother chose him, because it works on so many women! If "asshole" wasn't a great reproductive strategy, it would have been gone long ago. Women keep that black bastard flame alive. They cup their hands around it. They protect it with their bodies...Keep fucking monsters, we get catastrophes, we get war, we get nuclear weapons, we get national debts, we get incarcerations and prison guards and all the other florid assholes who rule the world. Women worship at the feet of the devil and wonder why the world is evil.[11]

He has hyper-advanced evopsych biotroofs: In one of his videos, he sees being nice to a woman as "a white knight" reaction to "PROTECT THE EGGS." That's not hyperbole, he really shouts PROTECT THE EGGS.[12]

And on an entirely unrelated note, why are there so few female libertarians?[13]

[edit] White supremacy

I don't view humanity as a single species because we're not all the same.[14]

For an "anarchist", Stefan doesn't mind the state all that much, so long as it acts the way he wants it to.

  • He used to be very adamantly opposed to voting, due to being an "anarchist".[15] But like many right-libertarians, that all changed when Donald Trump ran for President. Color us surprised.[16] Trump fans have taken to posting his "Untruth about Donald Trump" video as a "red pill" on Reddit and elsewhere,[17] and the alt-right blog The Right Stuff features its 'donations' widget with a parody of his accent and a small image of him at the bottom. Stormfront entertains the possibility but rejects him for being too Jewish (on his mother's side, absolument).[18] Even they realized he's doing all of this for money.
  • He praised Margaret Thatcher upon her death in 2013, despite claiming to oppose all forms of government.[19]
  • During the Ebola crisis he said that government should stop people traveling from West Africa. So much for that non-aggression principle.[20][21] He has since gone on to say he also supports banning people from traveling from predominately non-white North Africa, Middle East and Asian countries. So much for that free and voluntary market-based society, as well.[22][23]
It's worth mentioning that Molyneux himself was against closed borders during his earlier embrace of the free market. Those videos have been scrubbed from his channel, unsurprising given his shift towards the alt-right, though this hasn't stopped in-show callers from reminding him of this, such as 2016's "Andrew". In this video, Andrew aptly points out that supporting violent coercion against refugees is incompatible with NAP. Stefan wormed his way out of the debate be claiming that morality doesn't apply within a statist society. A few moments later he went back to saying that it does.[24]
  • In the wake of Nelson Mandela's death, Molyneux stated,
The tragic fact of business is that ordinary Africans were better off under colonialism. Colonial masters never committed anything near the murder and genocide seen under black rule in Rwanda, Burundi, Uganda, Nigeria, Mozambique, and other countries, where millions of blacks have been slaughtered in unspeakable ways, which include: hacking to death, boiling in oil, setting on fire and dismemberment."[25]
He must not know much about King Leopold II of Belgium.
  • These days, he's trying to lasso some of Vox Day's viewers, moaning about Islam while oversimplifying (another) vastly-complicated and extensive piece of history.[26] Are you sensing a pattern emerging here?
  • And he's a Lost Causer, of course.[27] As soon as the MRA gravy train slowed down, Moly started to ride the white rights train hard: The fun starts at around 1:52 when he starts arguing that the majority of slaves across the world were white people, and proceeds to hit every single Neo-Confederate target (e.g. black people should shut up about slavery because chattel slavery wasn't that bad and white people are the real victims).[28] Also, 40 minutes, people. Slavery is approximately two-thirds as interesting and important to Stefan Molyneux as Elsa from Frozen was.
Watch for the look of surprise on Molyneux's face during his "they should have just paid for the slaves" argument on The Joe Rogan Show. Rogan neatly traps him by asking where all the money for the slaves was going to come from. "Taxation?" And you can see Molyneux just freeze and go "oh fuck, erm". Then he hand waves "but the war was hugely expensive."[29]

On a related subject, why are there so few black libertarians?

[edit] Homosexuality

Stalineux holds an unconventional view on homosexuality, arguing that it is the result of childhood sexual abuse.[30] He later apologized for the comment when contacted by a caller during a radio interview, saying he had reversed his views on the matter and would do his best to improve his understanding of homosexuality. He also promised to edit the video to better reflect his ignorance of the previous statements.[31] The video remains unedited.

He does, however, support the right of gays to marry. Golf clap.[32]

[edit] At the movies

His movie reviews basically all dissolve into him ranting about white genocide or how terrible women are.

He is living proof of the adage, "If you can't explain it simply then you don't understand it very well", since Moly is incapable of producing a brief "Truth about x" video. He even has an hour-long video bleating about Frozen, of all things.[33]

[edit] Philosophy

Philosopher King Stefan Molyneux (left) defoo'ing a fertile young mind.
The Bad Philosophy Show, where we tell people the wrong thing to do! Wouldn't that be funny? right? 'Cos, then, you know, they'd just flip it then they'd get the right thing... "If you want to lose weight, eat cheesecake." "If you want to jump up, fall down."
—Izzy Molyneux, age 6[34]

Molyneux has declared himself "the savior of philosophy" and styles himself as a New Socrates,[35][36] but doesn't actually make much of an effort to engage any scholarly literature on issues of philosophy. He used to be an Objectivist, but now considers himself an ancap and advocates UPB (Universally Preferable Behavior), his own moral theory which appears to be Kantianism with the serial numbers filed off—though he doesn't credit any philosophers for having influenced him. Yet he routinely makes arguments famous philosophers (usually Locke) have made many times in the past without attribution, and misinterprets famous philosophical arguments and writings; his lecture on the social contract was particularly bad[37] (shouldn't be surprising from a libertarian).

Molyneux has claimed that Freedomain Radio is the most popular online philosophy conversation in the world, despite there being much evidence to the contrary.[38] In 2007, fellow libertarian (and actual philosopher) David GordonWikipedia's W.svg gave a critical examination of Molyneux in The Mises Review: "He fails, and fails miserably. His arguments are often preposterously bad."[39]

Popular YouTuber SisyphusRedeemed, who is an academic philosopher, uploaded another great rebuttal.[40]

[edit] Anarcho-capitalism

He manages to bottle most of his crazy inside, pretending he agrees with anarchist principles, but it's a smokescreen for what is essentially a call for corporate tyranny.[41]

[edit] History

This radical simplification of huge stretches of history is misleading, but it's necessary in order to make the sorts of comparisons to modern times Stefan is making...Stefan mentions that it's difficult for the Republicans to get elected. And, well, it was very difficult indeed for anyone to be elected Emperor [in Rome] because they didn't have elections.
Shaun and Jen[42]

Molyneux defends his more...unusual beliefs with historical examples. These are invariably healthy servings of PIDOOMA. He has, for example, claimed that the First World War was more destructive than the Second, and that the majority of casualties in it were members of the aristocracy.[43] This is a self-evident argument for free trade, apparently.

[edit] Overpopulation

Like most laissez-faire economists, he denies overpopulation is a problem. Stefan believes there's no such thing as too many exploitable wage slaves to boss around too many people. He believes the real problem is that not enough people follow his philosophy.[44]

[edit] DMCA and IP law

Molyneux has gone on record against the DMCA and IP law, saying that "IP must die" as it is an unjustified use of force.[45][46] He believes this is a universal principle with no exceptions.

However he also used IP law in order to censor critics on YouTube by filing DMCA claims against them, with the most notable being "TruShibes," who created a YouTube account dedicated to clips documenting Molyneux's questionable behavior and philosophy.[47] He blamed this on a contractor.[48]

In a textbook case of actions having consequences, TruShibes has filed a case in US federal court against Molyneux for his blatant exploitation of the DMCA to shut down her account, for silencing her and for defaming her afterwards[49][50] (she is in the US and he is in Canada, but his YouTube activity and income is US-based and constitutes a local presence). Of course it's no surprise he resorted to censorship. That is what Stef does if he doesn't have anything to say. Raised a good question on FDR? Banned. Contradicted Stef on his show? Cuts the caller off. Wrote a blog punching holes in Stef or his philosophy? Come on and verbally debate him![51]

Hey, isn't it textbook for a cult leader to go to any lengths to silence criticism or dissidence...?

[edit] Public education

If you buy Stef's logic, you went to public school because you are a brainwashed sheeple[52][53] that can't comprehend the glory and pure truth of UPB, NAP and anarcho-capitalism—or his wife's equally obnoxious stance that you're aware of it, but such a transition would be uncomfortable, and therefore you subconsciously deny it out of childlike spite.

[edit] He has the lobes for business!

Molyneux decided that Leonard Nimoy's passing was the appropriate time to talk about how Spock's collectivism was "emotional" in nature and how big government (the socialist United Federation of Planets) is a bad thing.[54] Similarly, he posted a video on Robin Williams' suicide, leaping at the chance to psychoanalyze the actor (without ever having met him, of course).[55] Kicking a still-warm corpse: Another philosophical victory for libertarians!

[edit] Science

[edit] Mental illness denial

In other words, a popular Auschwitz guard with a long marriage is the very definition of mental health. Moral considerations do not form the basis of mental heath – a compliant Nazi is considered more ‘healthy’ than an outcast one. This form of ‘social ethics’ is largely due to the Jewish influence over psychology.
—From the Mouth of Madness Molyneux[56]

Molyneux has denied that mental illnesses are real, saying there is not enough evidence to prove otherwise. He also calls psychiatry a pseudoscience and claims that it is part of a government agenda.[57] This has drawn the ire of many including online scientific skeptic Emil Karlsson of Debunking Denialism who responded with a lengthy refutation of his claims.[58] Now, he's right that mental illnesses is culturally defined (though the anti-semitism came out of nowhere);[note 1] if your culture favors extremely fastidious people, somebody with "checking" type OCD may not be considered abnormal. But it certainly exists independent of cultural context, with various causes ranging from environment to dietary to genetic to neurological. It's convenient for Molyneux to foist everything onto "society" because it feeds into his viewers' self-entitlement and moral relativism, while ignoring the cultural context behind, say, private property.

[edit] Climate change denial

Stefan is also a climate skeptic,[59] and has hosted Christopher Monckton on his show to discuss the "hoax".[60]

Taking a page from Objectivists and Insane Clown Posse, he has a problem with modern physics. "Physicists kind of piss me off, 'cause they've always got their fucking pale hands in my goddamn wallet, and stealing from my child's future, indebting her." "You know, go be a fucking engineer, you lazy, pasty bastards. Go do something useful that people wanna buy."[61] The irony here is that a lot of modern engineering (cough electricity cough), would not be possible if it weren't for physics, but the assumption is natural given that Stefan has absolutely no understanding of it. What's more, he now claims his mind transcends physics.[62] It isn't too much of a jump for Molyneux, perhaps the most narcissistic of Libertarian Übermenschen, to go from believing himself as on top of the pile of mankind, to being a separate, inherently superior being to everyone else.

[edit] A cult (of freedom lovers!)

Molyneux's attitudes and beliefs, coubled with the slavish devotion of his listeners, has led Sam Seder and his associates to label him a cult leader. This view is echoed by parents whose children abandoned them on Molyneux's advice.[63][64][65]

  • His method is popular with fundamentalist Churches (or Scientology's practice of "disconnecting"): before you were baptized and saved, your life was full of sin.[66] Now your baptism ("defoo" in Molynese)[67] represents a new life in Christ and your acceptance of the Church's teachings. However, in the case of the Manson Molyneux Family, it's a baptism in hack philosophy and an-cappery. For instance, Molyneux advises people to abandon all friends and relatives who are not anarcho-capitalists or adherents to the Non-Aggression Principle. Because this is off-putting to any, well, sane person, he takes the cultish route of hiding the core tenets from newcomers.[68] Those who ditch their families and friends are insultingly advised that the next step in saving the world is to plug his show.
If you want to perform the greatest service for political liberty, all you have to do is turf all of your unsatisfying relationships. Parents, siblings, spouse, it doesn’t matter.[69]
If you have non-voluntaryist friends you may want to spend the holidays alone reconsidering your definition of friend![70]
Hopefully, every Ancap will take his advice so that next X-mas they won't be invited back.
  • Molyneux records everything,[71] no matter how mundane (because Wouldn't it be awesome if you could hear Socrates talking to his barber?).
  • He has some, uh, "interesting" views on movies, and likes to read Randian meanings where they definitely don't belong. The real kicker was him remarking on having to "reprogram" his daughter after watching the film Maleficent. He thinks any female character with a lack of character flaws is propaganda to indoctrinate children; evidently, it is dishonest for "Estrogen-based parasites"[72] to have any positive portrayals in media at all. He basically uses his daughter to assert arguments; a "think-of-the-children" card of sorts.
  • A civil court complaint, filed in 2014, says Mr. Molyneux boasted in a 2006 podcast that he would listen while his wife (a therapist who severed contact with her parents to join his AynCrap cult)[73] talked to her patients, even interjecting and railroading them into subscribing to his website.[74] Just what any mentally-disturbed person needs: Stefan's voice filtering eerily through an intercom.
Somehow, his wife kept her license,[75] as she didn't actively propagate Molyneux's insanity (despite him obviously coaching her in all matters personal and professional),[71][76][77] but it is clear she bases her therapy around "defoo'ing" people—prying them away from their families—and cultivating donors to FDR. All podcasts with even a whisper from Christina, including the laughable "Ask A Therapist" series, have been scrubbed from the website and any mention of her results in a swift ban on the forums. Luckily the internet never forgets.

[edit] See also

[edit] Videos

[edit] External links

[edit] Notes

  1. We stand corrected. He is not an anti-Semite, because Murray "Baby Market" Rothbard is one of his favorite philosophers! This old post was thankfully still in the Google cache; he deleted the thread (probably out of embarrassment). He could never fault Rothbard's ideology or call him immoral, so he has to go with 'it is because he was circumcised so he doesn't know any better'. "DAE Jews probably all hate their kids because foreskin."

[edit] References

  1. From this chunk of transcript, lovingly written down and posted to great approval on /r/TheRedPill. Not clear which video it's from, but the fans had no disputes as to its authenticity.
  2. Freedomain Radio's YouTube Channel
  3. Stefan gets into a pickle with an anti-Semitic caller.
  4. James Cox, "Stefan Molyneux Against Me"
  5. Martial Arts, Violence, and History
  6. Molyneux Forgives His Mother By Not Killing Her
  7. SM doubles down on douchebaggery.
  8. "YouTube MRA Stefan Molyneux blames Miriam Carey’s fatal DC car chase on “rank female evil.”, We Hunted the Mammoth.
  9. "No Excuses For Evil Women!"
  10. "MRA "philosopher" Stefan Molyneux: "If you don't have a husband … to keep the child is abusive", We Hunted the Mammoth.
  11. David Futrella, Misogyny Theatre, "'Misogyny Theater: Stefan Molyneux in "Women Who Choose A**holes."
  12. "The TRUTH About Star Wars: The Force Awakens!"
  13. Feminism is SOCIALISM IN PANTIES?? (Women know they're inherently weak, unlike big burly anarcho-capitalist males, and thus they are biologically driven to the warm embrace of the state.)
  14. I Don't View Humanity As a Single Species
  15. The Truth About Voting
  16. The UN-truth About Donald Trump!
  17. The 'Cult Leader Stumping for Donald Trump
  18. Is Stefan Molyneux Trying to Become a WN?
  20. What PISSES ME OFF About Ebola.
  21. This one won him some new fans over at Stormfront.
  22. Stefan's deep insights into Islam and ISIS.
  23. The TRUTH/What PISSES ME OFF/What THEY WON'T TELL YOU about immigration, playlist.
  24. Stefan Molyneux's Inconsistent Stance on Immigration
  25. "The Truth About Nelson Mandela" (YouTube/NSA Warning), he says it in both the video and in the description.
  26. The TRUTH About The Crusades! tl;dr Talks abut how bad and evil those savage Muslims were. Only briefly talks about the First Crusade. Goes on a random tangent about Muslim pirates and slavery that has nothing to do with the Crusades. Uses dodgy sources that have been heavily disputed. Tops it off by going on about a rant about "white guilt". Everyone goes home dumber.
  27. The "Truth" About Martin Luther King, Jr.
  28. The TRUTH About Slavery!
  29. The day Joe Rogan discovered the real Stefan Molyneux, FDR Liberated.
  30. Stefan Molyneux's delightful observations on the 'gay lifestyle'. Ancaps are near universally racists; not a big surprise that they tend to be homophobes, too.
  32. Stefan on gay marriage
  33. the TROOF about Frozen! Immediately afterward, he starts in on Harry Potter being a metaphor for psychiatry.)
  34. Izzy Taught to Hate Stefan's Debate Opponent Through Sing-a-long. Probably didn't happen for real, though; Isabella is little more than a marketing tool for FDR.
  35. Without him, we'd have to wait another 2000 years! There are people who wasted years of their lives in his group because he portrays himself as the greatest philosopher since Aristotle. (Archived by Tru Shibes.)
  36. The world needs my show for its survival! Archived by Tru Shibes.
  37. The Social Contract Defined and DESTROYED in under 5 min
  39. David Gordon, "The Molyneux Problem", Ludwig von Mises Institute.
  40. "The Damnation of Philosophy"
  41. Noam Chomsky educates Vizzini Moly on the correct usage of the word. Sorry, Chomsky, a phd and tenure at MIT doesn't prepare you for the rigor of pseudo-intellectual YouTube personalities.
  42. "Stefan Molyneux's Fall of Rome - A Response"
  43. The TRUTH About World War I!
  47. File this one next to Ayn Rand's use of Medicare and Ron Paul's appeal to the UN to go steal a website for him.
  48. Public statement by Stefan Molyneux
  49. Mike Masnick, "'Anarcho-Capitalist' Stefan Molyneux Sued For Abusing The DMCA", Techdirt. (Moly: Well, if you want something done quickly and efficiently you go to the Govern... Waitaminute, you almost tricked me!)
  50. "Molyneux sued for misrepresentations, defamation", FDR Liberated.
  51. Contemptible chickens, all of you!
  52. Public School, Private HELL
  53. Hey, teacher! Leave those kids alone!
  54. The TRUTH About Spock (btw rip or whatever)
  55. The TRUTH about Robin Williams! (Why does this toolbag want to ruin our all childhoods?)
  56. "Are People Just BORN Stupid?" (Nope, too easy.)
  57. There's NO SUCH THING as mental illness!
  58. Karlsson, "Stefan Molyneux’s Unfortunate Spiraling into Anti-Psychiatry".
  59. The Case Against Climate Change
  60. The Global Warming Hoax Lord Monckton and Stefan Molyneux
  61. This rant sounds suspiciously like it was copied from Alex Jones, particularity the part about world-destroying fascist nerds.
  62. So, how long before he publishes a manifesto and starts sending mail bombs?
  63. Guardian
  64. "This is How Stefan Molyneux is Running a Cult". Answer: A degree in theater, stupidly good on-his-feet debate skills, and experience fleecing tens of thousands into joining his cause.
  65. Besner, Linda, "Remote Control - The Cult of Stefan", Real Life 10.6.16.
  66. The whole breeding arena of our species needs to be cleaned the fuck up!! Genetics or child-rearing has already determined you to either be depraved (i.e. not a Molyneux fan), or one of a chosen few who will stand beside him. It's like a much lamer version of Calvinism. (Archived by Tru Shibes.)
  67. "Stefan Molyneux Revealed - A Defoo Story".
  68. Stef Admits FDR "Philosophy" is a Deliberate Bait and Switch, FDR. Archived by Tru Shibes.
  69. Molyneux, "Are People, Like, Just STUPID?", FDR 4.9.05.
  70. Have A Very Moly Christmas.
  71. 71.0 71.1 God knows why Moly made this private discussion with his wife public. Christina talks about her fear of losing her license to practice psychotherapy (she doesn't care about her practice, she just wants the beer commercial lifestyle). This whole situation is making Moly very stressed, considering he's responsible for ruining his wife's career, and she chides herself for not offering him enough support throughout this tribulation.
  72. #killallmen
  73. "Molyneux and Wife Read Letter From Her Parents"
  74. Tu Than Ha, "Controversial podcaster listened in on therapist wife and clients: lawsuit ", Globe and Mail.
  75. Tu Than Ha, "Therapist who told podcast listeners to shun their families reprimanded", Globe and Mail.
  76. Just listen to her strain to get a word in edge-wise.
  77. A Suicide Caused by Stefan Molyneux and Christina Papadopoulos and FreeDomainRadio, Stefan Molyneux Revealed.
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