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- If you were looking for any of the flags actually legally adopted as the flag of the Confederacy, too bad. Nobody seems to care about those.
“”As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.
|—William Tappan Thompson, editor of the Savannah Morning News. 1863.|
The Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, often simply the Battle Flag, infrequently the Southern Cross, or (incorrectly) the Confederate flag, was a flag flown by the forces of (who else?) the Confederate States of America's Army of Northern Virginia during the American Civil War, and later used to represent all of the Confederate forces, starting with its adoption as the logo of the United Confederate Veterans. From there, it became recognized as a symbol of the Confederacy in general and later the South yet more generally. Unfortunately, being the flag of an army that was fighting to preserve slavery has tainted its history somewhat, as has its use by the Ku Klux Klan and other racist groups in both its heyday and the present but there are groups such as the Sons of Confederate Veterans and United Daughters of the Confederacy as well many Southerners who are non-racist that use the Confederate flag as "heritage not hate" including the TV show Dukes of Hazzard (which prominently featured the Confederate flag on the appropriately named "General Lee").
- 1 History
- 2 Around the world
- 3 We really must ask
- 4 Confederate flags
- 5 Notes
- 6 References
During the war
At the first battle of Manassas, General Beauregard grew frustrated with the difficulty involved in distinguishing the Stars and Bars (the first actual Confederate flag) and the US flag at a distance. This led him to propose the adoption of a separate battle flag, the design of which ultimately wound up being William Porcher Miles's rejected submission for a national flag. The design derived from the flag flown over the South Carolina secession convention, but the palmetto was removed, the number of stars was altered to twelve, and the upright cross was made into a saltire in the name of religious tolerance. General Joseph E. Johnston further modified the flag by making it a square in order to conserve material. Later, another star was added to (wrongly) represent Kentucky.
Rising again After the war
The flag was adopted as the symbol of the United Confederate Veterans shortly after the war, which may have had the unintended side effect of erasing other Confederate battle flags from memory. Unfortunately, it was also adopted as a symbol emblazoned on the white sheets of a bunch of idiots shortly thereafter,[note 1] though it did not then feature so prominently in Klan symbolism and rituals as now. In 1894, Mississippi adopted a flag with the battle flag as a canton, kept it until the legislature accidentally left the state officially flagless in 1906, and adopted it again in 2001. During World War II, the battle flag was used here and there by units with Southern ties, and was even raised over Shuri Castle after the battle of Okinawa, where it stayed for three days. It made its way to the political scene in 1948, when members of the Kappa Alpha Order[note 2] brought it to the Dixiecrat convention. In 1956, it made its way onto the flag of Georgia, where it persisted until 2001 (2003 if you count its much smaller appearance on the 2001 flag). The present flag of Georgia still incorporates the Stars and Bars, but it doesn't seem to serve as so great a provocation as the battle flag. A former attorney general of Alabama also issued an opinion that his state's flag was derived from the battle flag, though given the lack of historical attestation to his theory, the only vague resemblance between the two, and the similarities between the flag of Alabama and the Spanish Cross of Burgundy,[note 3] this is dubious at best.
Southern rock and its history with the flag
The genre of Southern rock became firmly associated with the flag. In particular, its main standard bearers, Lynyrd Skynyrd, were especially intertwined with it due to always using it as a backdrop for their stages. This has in turn, particularly led to some to posit that there were racist feelings in the group, the main evidence used being the lyrics of "Sweet Home Alabama", though this was done through deliberate quote mining and not taking in all the contradictions of the lyrics into account. In addition, lead vocalist Ronnie Van Zant, though he had differing explanations as to why the flag was used, was known for writing deep, introspective, even progressive lyrics that were completely aimed at transcending and even ending the Southern redneck stereotypes, as "Saturday Night Special" demonstrates. After the 1977 plane crash that killed off several of the original lineup and the 1987 reformation with younger brother Johnny Van Zant in the frontman position, there was a slow degrading in the songwriting. After 9/11, the lyrics began to firmly land into parody redneck and Tea Party territory. Songs such as the jingoistic "Red, White & Blue", the paranoid "God & Guns" (that seems to be competing with the equally paranoid "Stormtroopin'" by Ted Nugent), and the bumper sticker quality of "Nothing Comes Easy" attest to this. And what about the flag, you ask? In 2012, they briefly stopped using it to make a statement against white supremacy groups, but reverted back to using it to placate angry fans, and used the Lost Cause of the South to justify it. In light of the events in Charleston, however, the band seems to have dropped it altogether, including from their merchandise.
Gainesville, Florida native Tom Petty (who does not actually perform Southern rock, but has often been lumped into that genre) had what he has termed a very sad and regretful moment with the flag. After the release of his 1985 album Southern Accents, he began to use a Confederate flag to represent the story of a character in the song "Rebels." When fans began wearing Rebel flags to his shows, he took it down, and even lobbied to remove a photo of it from a live album.
However, several acts have defiantly continued to use the flag in spite of the Charleston tragedy. In particular, hip hop/country/Southern rock/heartland rock artist Kid Rock (who is actually from Detroit, like his good friend Ted Nugent, but recently moved to Alabama and has gone on record as a raging libertarian or conservative, depending on the issue) has shouted down protests from his hometown to stop and/or apologize.
In the wake of the Charleston shootings, the battle flag came to increasing prominence due to pictures of
an idiot with a bowl cut the confessed shooter with the flag. Unsurprisingly, the battle flag then became a major subject of debate. During this debacle, it was widely decried as symbolizing a racist legacy, although polling indicates that a majority of Americans see it principally as a symbol of Southern pride. Nontroversies ensued when the flag was removed from various public buildings. Additionally, various retailers announced intent to cease selling merchandise featuring the battle flag.[note 4] Predictably, the nuttier sorts blamed Obama.[citation NOT needed] The nation's larger flag makers also all stopped selling the battle flag – and Alabama reminded us once more that it's special.
Around the world
The Confederate flag is used in a few other countries with varied meanings. In Brazil, descendants of refugees from the Confederate States of America fly the flag, supposedly with no negative connotation. Neo-Nazis in Germany fly the Confederate flag because it is illegal to display Nazi symbols.
We really must ask
Historically there was no single Confederate flag. Instead, there were different flags at different times.
The "Stars and Bars"
These were abandoned due to their similarity to the Union's flag because
fuck the yanks it caused friendly fire during battle.
The "Stainless Banner"
These were abandoned because from a distance they look like a white flag. You can probably see why this would want to be avoided.
The "Blood-Stained Banner"
Other flags used by Confederate states and military
The "Van Dorn battle flag" used in the Western theaters of operation. Does it remind you of Islam?
The Virginia flag: another English-only violator. It seems rather ironic now; the motto on the flag, Sic semper tyrannis, translates as "Thus always to tyrants."
- One theory ties this to a desire to appear as ghosts of the war dead.
- Yes, that Kappa Alpha Order and yes, that figures.
- South Alabama was once a Spanish colony.
- Woah! Capitalism!
- Wood, Marie Stevens Walker (1957). Stevens-Davis and allied families: a memorial volume of history , biography, and genealogy. p. 44
- The Birth of the ‘Stainless Banner’ Coski, John M. New York Times. 05.13.13
- One wonders what that "pride" means.
- Here's why the Confederate flag is flown outside the US by Matthew Speiser (Jun. 24, 2015, 11:19 AM) Business Insider.