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½? Why do we have a ½ archive? It won't show up in the auto-list. Sterilesig.svgtalk 12:11, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

It's an archive of the talk page rather than the Saloon Bar itself. Previous one is at RationalWiki:Saloon bar/Archive78½. I have no idea why this is happening. ωεαşεζøίɗWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 12:29, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
In fact this guy is responsible both times. WẽãšẽĩõĩďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 12:31, 29 April 2014 (UTC)
Sorry for archiving to the wrong place! Could someone (I don't think I should) move this to RationalWiki:Saloon bar/Archive1, and delete this as the conversations seem to have been moved back for some reason? Jc86035 (talk) 10:19, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Ethics In Journalism[edit]

how do I use this website[edit]

i want to log in but my account's password is a scramble and i don't have ym password database but also i want to contribute but like editing a wiki is kinda intimidating bc it feels like if i give out anythingthat isn't 100% right I'm spreading misinformation and bleh basically what I'm really asking is how do i get over wiki anxiety??? (talk) 02:08, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

If you're unable to login, you should probably bring it up at RationalWiki:Technical support. In the meantime, you should go ahead and try making some smaller edits or creating some pages in the Draft namespace. As long as what you have is sourced and well-worded, you should be fine. Any misinformation can be corrected by other people, and I'm sure they'll be reasonable with you once you let them know you're new. However, you'll first want to get that account sorted. Or else I suppose you can try creating a new one. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:30, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
Well if you're not confident about dropping an edit, why not ask one of us if your edit is fine? How do you get over wiki anxiety? Well, be nice and honest to people. They'll be more than happy to guide the way. And you have to edit a lot. Everyone started as a newbie. Why not play around with the sandbox? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 02:48, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
"And I'm sure they'll be reasonable with you once you let them know you're new." But also get prepared to be personally attacked and insulted as fuck. -Lankaster (talk) 22:51, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
i figured out how to use it. just stay on wigo and saloon bar talk pages and yell at randos (talk) 22:36, 24 December 2018 (UTC)
im confused about the saloon and the back alley, because i dont know how to do the time and worried i may be banned about that, but no one really would do that right? i think its 4 squiggles kkpw (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, it's four squiggles. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:40, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

i did it[edit]

hi its me I finally made an account on this the genious brain hell site (not to be confused with other hell sites like bird hell ) Transbeeism (talk) 23:12, 4 January 2019 (UTC)

Congratulations, you're only a few edits away from not having captchas anymore. (wait, is there some role I can give them to spare them that?) ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:29, 30 January 2019 (UTC)
@Ikanreed I gave it to them just now, but for future reference, autopatrolled is the manual version of autoconfirmed. —Dorianha Bogelund (talk) 04:49, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Appeal to memory[edit]

Appeal to memory - assuming that the ability to accurately remember something effects the credence of a claim. this is a logical fallacy because something being true or false is independent of the memory. The claim can still be true even if they misremembered something they used as proof for their argument. Also a claim can still be false even if they perfectly remembered something they used as proof for their argument. No matter how bad or good a person's memory is it is not evidence of proving or disproving a point presented.

Logical form examples:

Person 1 makes a point backing it up with evidence from an event Person 2 does not remember an event that occurs in premise Person 2 therefore person 1 point is faulty (The person's memory is faulty, the point itself has yet to find fault)

Person 1 makes a point backing it up with evidence using data from the internet they remembered incorrectly Person 2 points out that person 1 incorrectly remembered data Person 2 says person 1's point is invalid because of this (The data presented is invalid because it is not the real data from the source. However the point itself has yet to find fault)

Person 1 makes a point that is backed up with evidence from an event Person 2 demonstrates that person misremembered event Person 2 therefore person 1's point is faulty

(The evidence is faulty but the validity of the point has not actually been refuted)

Person 1 has poor memory this is demonstrated throughout the argument Person 2 points out person 1's poor memory and uses it as proof that his argument must be faulty because of it.

Person 1 has very good memory Person 1 uses this fact as proof for his point

(This is the absence of reason and also asserting their proof as memory is unfalsifiable)

Person 1 could not remember their initial point or misremembered it Person points this out and asserts that their argument is invalid because of this.

(Inability to remember their initial point does no affect the credence of the point.)

Person 1 and person 2 are in an argument Person 1 has bad memory Person 2 has very good memory Person 2 states that since their memory is better than person 1 their points are more valid. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

Talk:saloon_bar is usually reserved for super-meta discussion. Discussion about discussion kind of stuff. You wanted plain ol' rationalwiki:saloon bar. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:34, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

The time has come[edit]

for a new poll. That old one has literally been up for months, someone replace it already. Oxyaena Harass 06:34, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

I'd like to put a new poll up, but I don't know how. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 21:24, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Neither do I, time to call @D, RW's underpaid handyman. Oxyaena Harass 22:01, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
Just put one on RationalWiki:To do list/Pointless polls. I think Kazitor used to be one of the main contributors to it. —RWRW (talk) 23:45, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
I put up a new poll. Better poll ideas are welcome though. — Dysk (contribs) 19:50, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

How Do You Get to Post to The Different WIGO's?[edit]

I wanted to ask a question about whether an edit/creating a new article under Hinduism was justified but I can't post to the Saloon Bar. Isn't the Saloon Bar supposed to be for posting anything? I thought maybe there might be an article under the Help section but I couldn't find anything. So... is it just the Talk sections then that function as the 'post anything' part? Is the Saloon Bar then for special posts that get promoted from the (hic) posts? How do you get access to the WIGO posts? Do you need to perhaps prove yourself through quality edits and posts? Cumulus (talk) 06:46, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

I believe you need to have been here a bit and made some edits, and occasionally pages get locked once in a while for various reason. AMassiveGay (talk) 07:06, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Any idea on how many edits and how long? How often and how long are pages locked? What are the various reasons? Cumulus (talk) 08:23, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Harassment of Oxyaena[edit]

I've been seeing relentless harassment of Oxyaena in saloon, both from IP and named users. This is beyond childish, and there has been a severe absence of mod intervention. I don't care what bones users on the wiki have to pick with her, this is pissing me off. Minish (talk) 14:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I banned the latest BoN to try their luck, doubtless someone will either revert the ban or the BoN will simply change their IP, but nothing much else I can do about it. Lord knows I've tried. Oxyaena Harass 14:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
I've been reverting the harassment as I find it and blocking the offenders. There isn't much more we can do. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:59, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Which I appreciate, I've noticed. Thanks. With this kind of format there's not much we can do, I mostly have taken to trying to ignore it now, not let it bother me as much, but it's still makes participating in this community less welcoming. Oxyaena Harass 15:04, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for doing what you can. I didn't realise that there isn't much that can be done in the long-term. Minish (talk) 15:09, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Morris takes every opportunity to cause problems tbh. EK (talk) 14:00, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Quick Question[edit]

Some of this place seems totally off the wall bat shit insane, and some of it seems serious and I can't tell what the intention is. So I'm asking if this wiki is ironic, or if some people use it as so and some people are serious, or if all of it's serious because I can't really figure it out. — Unsigned, by: / talk

It's a bit of both. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓(T|C) 22:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
To answer your question: yes. ShabiDOO 22:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
This wiki isn't even insane compared to some of the thing ive see on Conservapedia ""helpmeimscared!"" (talk) 17:47, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
It's the internet, it has always been full of degenerates. GIFT and all. We try to get rid of the more toxic members, but, politics... SockPup (talk) 19:06, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Collapsing drama?[edit]

Hey, I wasn't sure if I am allowed to collapse drama threads. I am pretty sure a lot of users don't want to read about it in the saloon. If I did collapse it without being allowed to, let me know. — Godless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 13:46, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

its normally encouraged to collapse obvious trolling. EK (talk) 14:01, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
well... not sure if the drama is quality-wise better than trolling tho — Godless Raven SDAPOe logo.svg talkstalkwalkbalk 🌹 Flag of Europe.svg 14:04, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
I collapse stuff a lot. Sometimes I get a bit carried away, to the point that HBC once scolded me for collapsing a few of those awful Oxy/Cory flame wars, if a bit harshly. (And of course, I collapsed some of GR's.) All this drama from HBC, GR, and Oxy has made this saloon bar that was supposed to be fun a toxic cesspool ruled by someone you can bait with a pointless poll that isn't even about her specifically- and her arch-nemeses' (also toxic) drama isn't helping either. Heck, I even invented the following new collapse:
--Goatspeed. Fossil evidence of my evolution🎃CircularREmail2.gifasoning🎃See what I've been messing around with 03:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Nice necropost bro. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 04:42, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Nice reply to a necropost --Goatspeed. Fossil evidence of my evolution🎃CircularREmail2.gifasoning🎃See what I've been messing around with 06:51, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Brazilian guy making a Indie Game[edit]

So I have started to make a indie game in RPG Maker. It is an African themed RPG set in a ficional world inahbited by humans, furries , talking animals and spiritual beings. I even launched a very flaming manifesto Wrong Points in the Game Industry and Possible Solutions, both in English and Portuguese, to help create buzz about it. Most people torpedoed most of what I put in said manifesto, but anyway, I put the question in the table. Now I have the most hard part of the work ahead, actually starting to work in the development of the game. Wish me luck! KemalOliver (talk) 23:55, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Ive been developing games off and on for about 7 years, and can tell you the hardest part is staying motivated. While I disagree with a lot of points in your manifesto (I meant to post a reply but forgot because of other things), more games is only a good thing as far as I see it. Remember to not burn yourself out too early and keep a road map of what you want in your project. Good luck, have fun, and may you sell a million copies. MirrorIrorriM (talk) 16:24, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

How to create topic on Saloon Bar[edit]

This sounds like a crazy question, but how can I create posts in the saloon bar? -- SixtyNine

New topics go at the bottom of Saloon Bar (so your question goes at the bottom of this page, not top). I also assume Saloon Bar is semi protected so you probably can't edit until you have at least autoconfirmed here. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 04:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

What is this even used for[edit]

Why tf there a talk page for a talk page. lmao. ❣️ ASELAकुरा ❣️ 02:04, 27 January 2021 (UTC)

I agree, it's a pointless page. It just calls to be vandalized because there are so few edits that vandals will have their name popping up in the fossil record. MarioSuperstar77 (talk) 17:05, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
I assume it's used for that Ardbeg advertisement on top. Man, got to go buy me a bottle tomorrow. Knight CommanderIn ServiceTo HerGoatness 17:12, 27 January 2021 (UTC)
Laphroaig FTW. Zontar (talk) 02:09, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

It's tempting to respond[edit]

But this person's end game is to spread views and disrupt Saloon bar. I still recommend ignore, revert, block. If you respond with a lengthy post, I appreciate the effort of some responses but just don't waste it on those wanting you to waste effort. Anyway that's my feeling. If a mod doesn't like my suggestion and think I'm overstepping, let me know. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 17:09, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

Is this directed at me? MirrorIrorriM (talk) 03:45, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
No, it's directed at Ken. He's been spamming the saloon for a while now...-Flandres (talk) 03:48, 26 April 2021 (UTC)


This is my first time signing up for a wiki of any type, and have a few questions:

1: May I add a joke with my username under the RationalWiki section of the 'You have two cows' page?

2: Is there any way I could potentially be helpful? My main personal fixations is really anything relating to neurodiversity and/or LGBTQ+ (think Autism Speaks, Judge Rotenburg Center, etc etc)

I think that's it, as I'm going to look over the RationalWiki pages about- well, RationalWiki and learn what to do. (Hopefully I did this thing right, I have no clue)

(Also, this is in this part because I have no clue how to talk on the main saloon) — Unsigned, by: ThatOneGoblin / talk / contribs 00:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Maybe you could start out on Wikipedia itself, this place is a bit notorious for getting heated. Wikipedia can be great for getting tips too, places like Wikipedia:WP:TH are quite useful for answers within an hour. Remember, sign with four tildes ( ~~~~ ) to sign your posts on dedicated talk pages, only at the end of your post. (talk) 00:10, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

A Humble Apology[edit]

Hello again, I am sorry for the arguement I caused in the main page, and now it seems I can no longer continue my proposition there. If I am no longer allowed to edit on the main page, then I am sorry for the offenses I committed.

I would like to re-orient the dialogue towards a more productive end, mainly a proposition for a conspiracy theory that I think is significant enough for a page all on it's own: the "Rothschild owned central banks conspiracy.

I apologise that I am being so repetitive, but I think this conspiracy theory is important due to it's frequency and place in the conspiracy theorist and all too often the anti-semitie's lexicon. As stated before I do not possess the personal ability to due this topic justice on my own, but I think this conspiracy must be totally critiqued for the aforementioned reasons. I hope this proposition goes somewhere. (talk) 20:23, 14 July 2021 (UTC)An Advocate

Don't worry about the argument, it's not your fault. As for not being able to edit the page, I take full responsibility for locking it due to a troll. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:41, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
More my fault than yours. Both of yours. Never feel guilty for the actions of others. I just hope we didn't scare you away... Corner (argue) 20:46, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Don't worry, you didn't scare me away. I just want to help RationalWiki, and I think debunking this theory will help improve the site. If you do not consider it significant enough to merit it's own page, that is fine, but I believe it does.
Thank you for your apologies. (talk) 20:57, 14 July 2021 (UTC)An Advocate
Feel free to make a user for yourself, so that as you contribute and it becomes clear you aren't completely insane, we can refer to you as something other than a Bunch'o'Numbers (BoN). Corner (argue) 21:04, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
For the record I agree that the Rothschild conspiracy is big enough that we could probably improve what we have on it. Takes a good block of time, unfortunately, to do that, but I'll keep that in mind when I get a large enough chunk. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 21:14, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your time, PanGalacticGargleBlaster. (talk) 21:18, 14 July 2021 (UTC)An Advocate

Citation styles?[edit]

If I'm citing a peer-reviewed study or journal article or whatnot, is there a preferred citation style? I prefer APA, but sometimes MLA is the first thing presented to me if I hit "cite this article" and my laziness takes over. Quantumgeek333 (talk) 01:08, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't think there is a preference. If there were, it would be here. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒 talk 01:11, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
No preference. The citation is what counts. However, using a consistent citation style (in your article or whatever) is more aesthetically pleasing. LeucippusSalva veritate 01:22, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

The Boys from the County Hell![edit]

If there was ever a song worthy of this godforsaken bar—this would be it. “Me daddy was a blue shirt and my mother a madam,

My brother earned his medals at Mai Lei in Vietnam”—this song is about a mean bastard. In any event, this a great song for a pub crawl. LeucippusSapere aude 21:23, 23 September 2021 (UTC)


i saw the pogues on st patricks day one year with my flatmate and his mum. in shephards bush i thinkAMassiveGay (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2021 (UTC)
Ohhh… I’m a tad bit envious. During their prime they put on one hell of a show. Shane MacGowan was, and is, a great story teller. LeucippusSapere aude 21:56, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Something to incorporate into the Saloon Bar’s welcome[edit]

I think this video, particularly from 0-0:49 seconds, captures the atmosphere of the joint:

There’s only so many times a straight man can walk past a bar, which has a sign that reads ‘beautiful naked women’, and then say “no not for me”. LeucippusSalva veritate 19:44, 14 November 2021 (UTC)