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There's this fad on the internet for claiming that Obama suffers from narcissistic personality disorder, circulated by world-class Gilderoy Lockhart wannabe, Sam Vaknin. Should this be mentioned? --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 00:17, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

This website makes Conservapedia look unbiased and factual. The first two paragraphs are disgusting and need to be changed.

Just look at the first sentence. "Barack HUSSEIN Obama II (Born in Honolulu, Hawaii, August 4, 1961) is the 44th President of the United States, and a devout Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, gay, atheist Egyptian Antichrist" What is this crap? If you do not see abusrdity in that then i feel very bad for you. Why do you claim to be "rational" when this article looks like it's from uncyclopidia? ^{— Unsigned, by: 69.117.77.222 / talk / contribs}

See, those are what those of us "in the biz" call "jokes." sorry you couldn't get them. Also, "unbias" isn't a word, pinhead. You mean "unbiased." Thanks for coming. BbMaj7 On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog. 21:20, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

There's no reference to the Obama administration#High calorie burger joint scandal. You may be going a little soft on him. nobs^{I am a fugitive from an ideological fever swamp} 00:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Obama and his administration eating at a burger joint isn't exactly what I'd call a scandal. Sam ^Tally-ho! 01:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

It's news the MSM won't report, the fact the First Lady who heads up a child nutrition program eats a high calorie burger joint. Thank God for CP. nobs^{I am a fugitive from an ideological fever swamp} 02:47, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Still, that's not worthy of the term "scandal." The Obamas' trip to a burger joint was most likely a chance to appear in-touch with the average American. One high calorie burger shouldn't be a huge deal and is definitely not a scandal. Sam ^Tally-ho! 03:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

This article does kind of suck, although not for those reasons, anonymous. I'm gonna tackle it someday.--^talk 03:56, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Yup, the MSM would NEVER EVER report that. No way would they report it. Not in a million years. Never, ever, ever. Nope.You're an idiot, Rob. B♭maj7 “We are moving too fast for any label to stick.”-CLRJ 03:52, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

My God! you and Ken DeMyer are on to something.... nobs^{I am a fugitive from an ideological fever swamp} 03:57, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

this highhtlights Robs idiocy well: Rob: The MSM would never mention Michelle eats high calorie meals - thats a fact. B♭maj7: You mean apart from all these sources. Rob: Heh, look at you highlighting this issue, you are as bad as Ken! Rob, you are a douche. Ace^ace 04:24, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

You do realise that there are actual REAL scandals in american politics that don't revolve around sex and food right? Is the average American so repressed that all they can think about is a politicians sex/food life rather than illegal wars, lies told to engage in illegal wars, torture and widespread corruption?Tielec01 (talk) 04:15, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

The average American doesn't give a crap about politicians' food life, it's the people who are so full of hate for Obama who do. Anything "bad" they can find about him or his wife or anything that has to do with him they'll flaunt. Sam ^Tally-ho! 04:21, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

You'd think, in America, that eating a hamburger was a normal thing. It takes some real mental contortions to turn that into a scandal. Tielec01 (talk) 04:26, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah Obama just hasn't had any scandals. Which seems weird to say, given the continuous shrieking coming from one side of the aisle, but their red-faced scaremongering aside, there haven't been any CIA agents outed, blatant war-starting lies promoted, or semen-stained interns hidden.--^talk 04:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Being a Kenyan atheist who is trying to bring Islamic law to America under the guise of socialism is pretty scandalous. Ace^ace 04:42, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Worst president in US history?

I think so. ^{— Unsigned, by: 24.189.254.24 / talk / contribs 2011-12-07T21:58:06}

Not nearly. See here for a real discussion of the worst presidents in US history. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 06:02, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Ironically, he's done a hell of a lot. He let's the children whine and moan in the forfront, while sticking things like "80% of a insuree's money most go to health care" clause hidden in his health care bill. bye bye insurance for profit model! --GodotI live in the Infinite monkey cage 06:03, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I was not very enthusiastic about him when he first took office, mostly due to his relative inexperience and because my head hurt from all the dreck he was spieling for his campaign, but since then he has really cut his teeth and proven himself suited to the job. Unfortunately, by so doing he has made himself unpalatable to the pinkos, who even now are rattling their sabers in discontent with his administration. ListenerX^TalkerX 06:29, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh. Sorry. I forgot. Liberals aren't allowed to criticize the messiah. ALL HAIL THE GLORIOUS LEADER!!! - I Know It All

I'm doubtful Buchanan will be knocked off the top spot until the total collapse of the US. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 06:25, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

If the BoN actually took the time to look around, we've criticized him quite a bit. Osaka Sun (talk) 07:53, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

I think what the BoN means is that he's an uppity nigger who doesn't know his place. However, as even the most vocal of racists are beginning to understand that they can't get away with such words - and I only use them as an illustration of his thought processes - they simply use high level critiques like "worst president" without backing this up. Bad Faith (talk) 09:46, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

• First President to Preside Over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
• First President to Violate the War Powers Act
• First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
• First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
• First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
• First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party (insurance)
• First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs -- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs
• First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters
• First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat
• First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the U.S., Including Those With Criminal Convictions"
• First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees
• First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space.
• First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places(at least if you are a Black Panther or a member of ACORN that is)
• First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present"
• First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It
• First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases
• First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory
• First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swore an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc.)
• First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
• First President to Fire an Inspector General of Americorps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case
• First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to Bid on Government Contracts
• First President to Golf 73 Separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office But remember: He will not rest until all Americans have jobs, affordable homes, green-energy vehicles, the environment is repaired and free circus tickets with popcorn!

- i know it all

That's one hell of a Gish gallop. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 04:37, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

it seems that some liberals hate facts. - I know it all ^{— Unsigned, by: 24.189.254.24 / talk / contribs}

No, it's that the facts you bring up are irrelevant and phrased in such a way as to be incredibly misleading. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 05:08, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

(EC) With regard to the selling of guns, I seem to recall that certain other presidents sold much larger weapons to certain other people who had it in for the U.S. a good deal more than Mexican dope-merchants do. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:12, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

The NASA comment cracked me up big time. I thought he'd be happy to reduce funding for a socialist program. Osaka Sun (talk) 05:19, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

No doubt he thinks that where national pride is at stake, no deficit is too big. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:36, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Reagan did some bad things. Iran-Contra, Amnesty and pulling out of Lebanon. True. But he was still the best president in the past 60 years.^{— Unsigned, by: Moonshot926 / talk / contribs}

I'll try to address these.

• First President to Preside Over a Cut to the Credit Rating of the United States Government
  • Um, that wasn't entirely Obama's fault. That was the result of the Republicans fighting over the debt ceiling.
• First President to Violate the War Powers Act
  • We were in Libya for less than a week before NATO took over.
    • France was in Libya first. Gosh, timelines, huh? --GodotI live in the Infinite monkey cage 17:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
• First President to Orchestrate the Sale of Murder Weapons to Mexican Drug Cartels
  • I'd like a citation for this. In addition, as noted above, Reagan also armed terrorists.
    • I spat my drink when I read this. -- Seth Peck (talk) 17:37, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
• First President to be Held in Contempt of Court for Illegally Obstructing Oil Drilling in the Gulf of Mexico
  • Again, citation needed. Also, Obama merely reversed his own lifting of offshore drilling bans.
• First President to Defy a Federal Judge's Court Order to Cease Implementing the 'Health Care Reform' Law
  • Don't think he's the first at this, but other judges ruled the bill constitutional. In addition, the Executive branch has the power to counter a Federal judge up to a higher court.
• First President to Require All Americans to Purchase a Product From a Third Party (insurance)
  • And why is this bad?
• First President to Spend a Trillion Dollars on 'Shovel-Ready' Jobs -- and Later Admit There Was No Such Thing as Shovel-Ready Jobs
  • A Trillion dollars is a meaningless term, due to inflation. Other presidents also spent money to create jobs.
• First President to Abrogate Bankruptcy Law to Turn Over Control of Companies to His Union Supporters
  • ^{[citation needed]}
• First President to Bypass Congress and Implement the DREAM Act Through Executive Fiat
  • Obama merely "paved the way" for the bill. It has yet to be implemented.
• First President to "Order a Secret Amnesty Program that Stopped the Deportations of Illegal Immigrants Across the U.S., Including Those With Criminal Convictions"
  • ^{[citation needed]}
• First President to Demand a Company Hand Over $20 Billion to One of His Political Appointees
  • ^{[citation needed]}
• First President to Terminate America's Ability to Put a Man into Space.
  • This is fucking retarded.
• First President to Encourage Racial Discrimination and Intimidation at Polling Places(at least if you are a Black Panther or a member of ACORN that is)
  • ^{[citation needed]}
• First President to Have a Law Signed By an 'Auto-pen' Without Being "Present"
  • Evidence that he is the first? I know for a fact that other Presidents have issued the opposite, a pocket veto.
    • OH MY GOD TECHNOLOGY IS SCARY!!! Didn't Thomas Jefferson have a device that automatically made copies of everything he wrote? -- Seth Peck (talk) 17:37, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
• First President to Arbitrarily Declare an Existing Law Unconstitutional and Refuse to Enforce It
  • He did not refuse to enforce it, he only refused to defend it.
    • Since when is it bad to not defend an unjust law? -- Seth Peck (talk) 17:37, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
• First President to Threaten Insurance Companies if they Publicly Speak out on the Reasons for their Rate Increases
  • ^{[citation needed]}
• First President to Tell a Major Manufacturing Company In Which State They Are Allowed to Locate a Factory
  • ^{[citation needed]}

I think this had something to do with changing the labor-law to stop companies moving their factories to right-to-work states. ListenerX^TalkerX 06:00, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

• First President to File Lawsuits Against the States He Swore an Oath to Protect (AZ, WI, OH, IN, etc.)
  • ^{[citation needed]}
    • The reference here is the Feds suing states like AZ from writing laws that give them Federal Powers and control over Federal Issues. It's a bit of a problem when you have 50 states doing 50 things about immigration - none of which are grounded in anything constitutional. And he's hardly the first president to do this. --GodotI live in the Infinite monkey cage 17:21, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
• First President to Withdraw an Existing Coal Permit That Had Been Properly Issued Years Ago
  • ^{[citation needed]}
• First President to Fire an Inspector General of Americorps for Catching One of His Friends in a Corruption Case
  • ^{[citation needed]}
• First President to Propose an Executive Order Demanding Companies Disclose Their Political Contributions to Bid on Government Contracts
  • That's rather specific, isn't it?
    • And the problem on this would be...what? -- Seth Peck (talk) 17:37, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
    • Most of these are ridiculously specific. Any president can be described as the "first" if you get specific enough. Reagan was the first president to be involved in a guns-for-hostages scandal while having a vice president whose last name had exactly four letters and is also a word for a type of plant.Fdof (talk) 05:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
• First President to Golf 73 Separate Times in His First Two-and-a-Half Years in Office But remember: He will not rest until all Americans have jobs, affordable homes, green-energy vehicles, the environment is repaired and free circus tickets with popcorn!
  • Again, that's rather specific. Other presidents have spent a far higher time on vacations. And you can hardly blame Obama for wanting to escape from the shit the opposing party keeps throwing at him.

Mr. Anon (talk) 05:52, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Obama has one year left. Ron Paul will send him back to Chicago. Moonshot926 (talk) 06:05, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh, dear, you are a Paulie, too.

Anyway, our... visitor's Gish Gallop is actually argumentum ad copy-paste. It has been spread in the usually fashion all over the expected forums. As far as I could determine, the original is here and, unlike the BoN's uncreative copypaste, it has actual links purporting to support each statement.

Some comments on "America's ability to put a Man into Space": a) you are not a fucking continent, get over it; b) Cady Colemann says "Hi!" to the aging sexist asshole who compiled the list; c) I suggest looking into: who signed the end of the Shuttle program, who presided over the original "Shuttle Gap" in the 1970s and why Skylab crashed, why the Constellation program was cut, who exactly cut it and does this "terminate" the US human spaceflight program (hint: it doesn't).--ZooGuard (talk) 10:49, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

What is a Paulite? You libtards need to wake up and realize that Obama is a disaster. ^{— Unsigned, by: Moonshot926 / talk / contribs}

Comments like that will make people think you're just trolling. Blue (is useful) 19:33, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

What do you mean "think"? ^pathetic 19:34, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

[internet sarcasm] Blue (is useful) 19:38, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Not the worst. Pretty awful but not Herbert Hoover material. Bin Laden probably wouldn't have been found if Baz hadn't made finding him top priority. And the "shoot to kill" order was pretty gutsy for a Democrat. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 16:36, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Obama And The New Party

I was linked to this archive of a New Party webpage, claiming Obama as a member back in 1996: http://web.archive.org/web/20010306031216/www.newparty.org/up9610.html

What do you guys have to say about this? I'm not used to the right-wing giving anything beyond Rush Limbaugh opinion pieces, so this has thrown me off. Could it be correct? Dark Fire (talk) 19:11, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

What to say about it...erm, "meh"? ^gnostic 19:55, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, abundant literature lists Obama as seeking the Dem nomination in that race, such as this article. Just ask where the corresponding article is for his seeking of the New Party nomination.--^talk 21:10, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Here is what Obama himself has to say.--^talk 21:12, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Is an article about Stanley Kurtz in order, since he's a perennial political crank? WP provides some interesting details, including him trying to associate Barack Obama with William Ayers (who we also don't have an article on). -- Seth Peck (talk) 21:22, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Dark Fire, this article already has a whole subsection about Obama and the New Party. I think that they were a little fast-and-loose about who constituted a "member." ListenerX^TalkerX 06:00, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Not even bronze

Dear oh dear oh dear... what a complete mess this article is, loads of "jokes" that were probably funny at the time, important information is lacking. and the whole tone is just a parody of right-wing haters' conspiracy theories. Please can we had a useful article about one of the most important people in the world? Sophie^{because liberals} 20:45, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Just keep the top quote and first paragraph intact, thanks. Osaka Sun (talk) 20:49, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Really? We're leading the article with a random anonymous internet comment? Plus the first paragraph/section is a TL;DR mess. Maybe this was once a topical parody of CP's "keep the insights in the first screen" effort, but there really shouldn't be more than about three or four lines above the TOC (if that), introducing the subject of the article before moving on to thematic sections. Wěǎšěǐǒǐď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:11, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Mei had something in her sandbox. Тy^{Lonely. Ever so lonely.} 20:49, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

It may need some improvement, but I think it's pretty good actually. We're not Wikipedia, so I think we have a sufficient amount of general information. The conspiracy theories are the focus of the article, as it should be.--^talk 20:58, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Cleaned some of this up

I reorganized some sections of the article and changed parts of the opening section, and added some key information to parts that I felt were lacking. Are there any major concerns that still need to be addressed? Mr. Anon (talk) 21:42, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

How does one serve as "an active member of the Democratic Party"? Is this a paid position? nobs^{We Are the 91.6% (still employed)!!!!(88.6% with a realistic Laborforce Participation rate)} 22:03, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Where exactly is that? I don't recall adding in anything of the sort. Mr. Anon (talk) 22:05, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Never mind I see. I'll take care of that. Mr. Anon (talk) 22:06, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

• One of the central things that distinguished his campaign from those of the other mainstream Democratic candidates was an emphasis on "the politics of hope" Wasn't Bill Clinton known as "The Man from Hope"? Hopes & dreams is a recurrent theme among Democratic candidates for decades, RFK for example, or FDR. This is anything but novel. nobs^{We Are the 91.6% (still employed)!!!!(88.6% with a realistic Laborforce Participation rate)} 22:14, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

That may be true, but I don't think any of those politicians made "hope" such an iconic part of their campaign like Obama did. Still, I'll try to fix that section to make it more clear. Mr. Anon (talk) 22:19, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Speaking as an outsider, it looks re-cycled (as the "Change" stuff did, as well). Clinton's recurrent, "12 years of neglect" aimed to re-establish "hope" ("Something to Say Yes To" - a criticism of Nancy Reagan's anti-drug campaign - "after living so long without hope." Evidently illegal drug usage means hope in this milieu). nobs^{We Are the 91.6% (still employed)!!!!(88.6% with a realistic Laborforce Participation rate)} 22:36, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

I remember Clinton going on about hope a lot in 1992, it was even his home town. Illegal drug use? It depends what you mean by use, I suppose. Sophie^{because liberals} 22:41, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Clinton spoke of "12 years of neglect" and proposed wp:Americorp as "something to say 'yes' to, after living so long without hope" (his words). "Just say No" was Nancy Reagan's anti-drug campaign. In Bill Clinton's mind, saying no to illegal drug use caused America's youth to loose hope. And under his administration illegal drug usage among youth and the population at large, increased. All types of drugs, narcotic and non-narcotic. Experience now teaches Democratic candidates and presidents use the word "hope" as a code word for "drugs". nobs^{We Are the 91.6% (still employed)!!!!(88.6% with a realistic Laborforce Participation rate)} 22:49, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

How is this relevant? Last time I checked drug legalization wasn't the focus of Obama's campaign. While previous candidates may have focused around the theme of hope, I don't think any of them have turned the word into the icon that it was as Obama's main campaign theme. Mr. Anon (talk) 23:00, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Okie dokie, as the parent of two small children, it's probably true Obama is less of a dope fiend (other than tobacco) than Clinton and less tolerant of illegal drugs, although he is heir to a Party that thinks increased drug use provides hope. And everyone hopes Obama can keep gas prices from destroying our living standards. But the longterm unemployed lost hope in Obama's First Year as he focused on sovietized healthcare and not creating jobs. nobs^{We Are the 91.6% (still employed)!!!!(88.6% with a realistic Laborforce Participation rate)} 23:09, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

Are you going to help with this article or not? I don't have time to deal with this shit again, though others might. Mr. Anon (talk) 23:18, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

^{That is interesting, but what does that have to do with the price of fish?} --il'Dictator Mikal 23:25, 24 March 2012 (UTC)