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Why does this template tend to be transcluded on talkpages rather than substed, given than the welcome message on one's talkpage surely shouldn't change everytime someone edits it? Myrtonos@ It just doesn't make sense. 00:26, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Sigs and indents

More and more I'm seeing those, like myself, who like to welcome new editors having to ask the newbies to sign their posts and use indents. How do others feel about

• Adding this to the standard welcome template
• Having a variant of the welcome template that has this info

I have insufficent wiki-fu to do this otherwise I'd make a start on option 2. Innocent Bystander (talk) 15:24, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

How about Template:Welcomesign? (Now renamed {{Wsign}} over redirect, for your convenience.) Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 15:34, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Willing to bet the relevant information might get read less often buried on a templare as opposed to appearing as a distinct message. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?. 15:36, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Will the "less often" be significant, though? The chief part I remember about my welcome to WP was the "please use tildes" part. That, and the feeling of recognition and response. Intransigent users may still be offered repeated instances of the sign template, with invective escalated at your discretion. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 15:44, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

My invective is nothing if not discrete. PowderSmokeAndLeather: Say something once, why say it again?. 15:53, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

I'd call your invective continuous, if and only if I could be assured the audience were receptive to math puns. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 16:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Since both message are templated, what's the problem? Adding a section about signing below the welcome template doesn't require any significant additional effort.--ZooGuard (talk) 15:57, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

There is no problem. If you don't find it onerous to type {{welcome}} {{sign}}, then go ahead and do it that way. Others, myself included, might prefer to slap on a single template including both messages. (I tend to bristle when someone tries to tell me what does or doesn't constitute "significant additional effort" on my part.) Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 16:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

For those of us who didn't know about the sign template it was, indeed, "significant additional effort". Now I know. However, I quite like {{Wsign}} so thanks SJC. Appreciated. Innocent Bystander (talk) 18:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Time for a few updates?

What is going on? World Blogs Clogs Elections The Bar (talk) (talk) (talk) (talk) (hic) Welcome to RationalWiki, Welcome! Please see our guide for newcomers and our community standards. If you are interested in contributing, please read what our articles are intended to be. Tell us how you found RationalWiki here! Or join us at the Saloon Bar for general chit-chat about virtually anything.

What do you think? I've added links to the RationalWiki page (including via the image), the bar & WIGOs. Anything else we should highlight to new editors? ₩€₳$€£ΘĪÐ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:51, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

I like the links to RationalWiki. At first blush, I didn't like the addition of the WIGOs, but upon further consideration I don't think it's a bad idea. The WIGOs are potentially a good, fun way for newcomers to contribute to RW, since editing articles may be a little intimidating to some of them. (Note I said "potential", so feel free to describe how it's the worst possible idea.) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 22:06, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Don't forget: it's generally transcluded rather than substed. So any alteration will affect every page with it on. Scream!! (talk) 22:48, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Hence why I opened it up for feedback before changing the high-use template itself. Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 23:18, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Well, if nobody else objects, I'm going to go ahead with this. Wèàšèìòìď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:27, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Pls do. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 04:14, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

To do list

Can a link be added? 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 04:14, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Reformat, add links to WP's cheatsheet and sandbox

Code:

{{messagebox|class=mb-welcome fullwidth|[[File:New logo large.png|135px|link=RationalWiki]]|2=<div style=float:right>{{WIGO NAV}}</div><big>'''Welcome to [[RationalWiki]], {{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{{1|}}}|ip|anonymous editor|{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>BASEPAGENAME}}}}!'''</big>
----
Please see '''[[RationalWiki:Newcomers|our guide for newcomers]]''' and '''[[RationalWiki:Community Standards|our community standards]]'''.

If you are interested in contributing:
*Read '''[[RationalWiki:What is a RationalWiki article?|what our articles are intended to be]]'''
*Check out '''[[RationalWiki:To do list|our to-do list]]'''
*See '''[[Help:Contents|our help page]]''' and '''<span class=plainlinks>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Cheatsheet Wikipedia's formatting cheatsheet]</span>'''
*And, if writing a new article, consider drafting it in your '''[[/sandbox|<font color=#0247AE>personal sandbox</font>]]'''

Tell us how you found RationalWiki '''[[RationalWiki:How I found RationalWiki|here]]'''!

And most importantly: Pull up a [[goat]] and have some fun!

{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>#ifeq:{{{1|}}}|ip|<p>While you are free to continue to edit as, and be identified by, your IP address, you might prefer to '''{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>fakeil|http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>=}}Special:Userlogin&type{{<includeonly>safesubst:</includeonly>=}}signup|create an account}}''' (they're free!), or '''[[Special:Userlogin|log in]]''' if you already have one. If you create an account, your IP address will not be displayed and you will face fewer editing restrictions.</p>}}}}{{#if:{{{sign|}}}|{{sign}}|}}<noinclude>{{doc}}</noinclude>

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What is going on? World Blogs Clogs Elections The Bar (talk) (talk) (talk) (talk) (hic) Welcome to RationalWiki, Welcome! Please see our guide for newcomers and our community standards. If you are interested in contributing: Read what our articles are intended to be Check out our to-do list See our help page and Wikipedia's formatting cheatsheet And, if writing a new article, consider drafting it in your personal sandbox Tell us how you found RationalWiki here! And most importantly: Pull up a goat and have some fun!

Thoughts? The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 04:08, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Cough cough. Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 19:33, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Sure, why not?--JorisEnter (talk) 20:20, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

The sign parameter doesn't work

At least, not as intended. The doc says to add 2=sign to add a sign message. The code to do it: {{#if:{{{sign|}}}|{{sign}}|}} This means that if the parameter named sign has a non-empty/null value, it adds the message. For instance, you need to write {{welcome|sign=1}} or even {{welcome|sign=ooh, yes please}}. This is probably bad. Should I just change it to test the value of {{{2}}}? _{Shame on whoever added this for not testing it} —Kazitor, ^pending 21:12, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Changed the doc to describe it properly. It's still kinda ugly, but changing it and allowing backwards compatibility would be yuck. —Kazitor, ^pending 10:56, 14 April 2018 (UTC)

Sqrt-1

Hi @Sqrt-1, I would recommend first going to the talk page before applying changes to highly used templates (check the warning). I don't even object to your change but I would please ask you to apply changes after recommending it on the talk page. Thank you! — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 05:48, 14 August 2020 (UTC)