User talk:AllonY

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Is your name intended to be "Allon Y____," or did you just mess up "Allons-y?" Blue (pester) 22:15, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Clearly, it's a pseudonymn for his favorite phrase, "No, y'all." *nods head sagely* Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 22:24, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that is my intended username. Is somebody else using the other name you mentioned?

Not sure how to reply to talks- hopefully this is it- feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Thanks

To reply to talk posts, just put a colon followed by your response. And make sure to sign your response with four tildes (~~~~), that way we know who and when the post is from. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 22:29, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

As for the name thing: we were both just teasing you. At least, I was :-) Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 22:31, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Heh, for a moment there I'd fallen into an ongoing war between users... Just a question though, how would I reply to that first post. I don't see anywhere to edit or enter text. Thanks AllonY (talk) 22:33, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Click the "Edit" tab in the upper right, that will open up the entire page for editing. Or go to preferences, gadgets, and check the one that says "Add an [edit] link for the lead section of a page" -- Nx / talk 22:40, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks. Hopefully I'll be out of the newbie phase quickly. AllonY (talk) 22:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Please don't mark all your contributions as "minor". This is usually intended for grammatical and similar edits. Thanks: Scream!! (talk) 13:35, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

If you're going to totally change the tone of the article...

...please bring it up on the talk page first. Thanks. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 14:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

So in other words a pure propaganda piece should not have facts added to it that contradict the propaganda... And here I was thinking that wiki sites were for the dissemination of information, not disinformation!

The purpose of Wiki sites like RationalWiki is for there to be a collaborative effort on an article so that no one person "owns" an article but that, rather, the article is owned and cared for by the collective. In that sense, propaganda and disinformation are filtered through the community to set the tone of the article. Getting all pissy and leaving and never coming back when someone disagrees with you and your contributions, however, is completely antithetical to the idea of a Wiki. Lord of Reckless Noise ^{Hooray! I'm helping!} 17:34, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Replacing one side's propaganda with another's isn't really productive. Also, we're not NPOV. Also, you might want to try "BUT I THOUGHT THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE RATIONALWIKI." That's always a good one. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 15:23, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Moreover, read what I wrote in the post above. I didn't tell you to eff off, I asked you to start a dialogue about the specific points you would like to see changed so that we can come to a consensus about how to change an article that's been around for years. If that's too much for you to do... PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 15:26, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

ah yes, that article has been around for year and I must convince those who support it to let me remove blatant propoganda and and hatred to let me post something more reasonable... Yes, that makes sense in some bizarre universe. Clearly this is not the site for me if removing inaccurate facts and propaganda and replacing it with referenced material is a violation of the rules ^{— Unsigned, by: AllonY / talk / contribs}

Thank you for your contributions. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 15:41, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

A lot of the pages on the site are basically ignored by the majority of users after their principal author(s) are done with them. So the fact that an article has stayed in a certain state for some time means nothing. There are several articles that I know to be shit, or at least not-as-good as necessary, and I have been ignoring them for months due to lack of free time.--ZooGuard (talk) 16:31, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Well goodbye and enjoy your site. I'll be sure to let everyone know throat this I a propaganda website that censors any information it doesn't like. Don't worry, my blog only gets around 1000 unique hits a day, maybe not as much as here, but hey, I you're spot in 80,000 for now, once word gets out Who knows where you'll end up lol

Ah, now, that is exactly the sort of well reasoned and articulate answer that will persuade us all to change our minds. I know that your trolling even tempered edits have made me look again. Bad Faith (talk) 17:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I tried well reasoned, articulate and referenced. Seems that is considered to be altering the tone of the article and trolling. So now I will respond in the manner that is clearely what is wanted here. Its clear that minds aren't gping to be changed here and why should I waste time writing anything when it gets removed because it dares to go against the propoganda platform being driven here? Have fun and enjoy your site. I'm sure you'll pick up many people out there that don't mind censorship and being told what opinions to express so they don't "change the tone" around here. Of course the tone seems to be "inaccurate and wanting to stay that way", but hey, you seem to enjoy it AllonY (talk) 18:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

If you reinsert those typos one more time

...I will have to put a brake on your editing. Sorry. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 18:43, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

of course you will- whats censorship without dictators to make sure everybody follows the party line? Can't have nasty things like facts getting in the way of your propoganda. As I said, enjoy your site. Its very inaccuracy is the best weapon to use against it by anybody foolish enough to quote it ^{— Unsigned, by: AllonY / talk / contribs}

That's right, allowing trolls to insert typos is censorship. Also, this is the third time you've said "enjoy your site" and then come back for one more edit. Shit or get off the pot. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 18:52, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I type badly therefore I'm a troll LOL Really, you are pathetic- or is it trolling on tis site to post accurate information which shows your pro[oganda for what it is? It must be terrible for you to live in a world where you don't have the power to make everything agree with you. As for returning here- hey, you want to insult me, I choose if I will return or not. What I will not be doing is correcting any of your content on Jewish holidays or beliefs here- and those are so awful my son in Grade 5 could write better descriptions of the Jewish holidays! You want me to stop- block my access to prevent my replying and then post all the insults you want to. thats generally the way cowards with moderator powers on websites do things. Whats funniest of course, is the fact that though you refer to me as a troll, you seem desperate to keep my edits on the posts about Jewish holidays. Seems I'm only a troll when I disagree with you! Pretty typical when dealing with censorship- throw insults around at everyone who disagrees with you (talk) 18:57, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Allon. I've just noticed this talk page which seems to be getting a bit heated. I don't really have time to follow things up, but are you raising what you feel to be issues on the appropriate talk pages? If you are then I hope they are being addressed there. --Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 19:26, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Nope- I won't be adding any firther content and I will be advising my mailing to avoid this site and to inform others. It is clear that there is a clear bias being pushed and I will not waste my time making edits in good faith and providing reference only for some power mad moderator to call me a troll and reverse all my edits. Hey, I was actually looking forward to participating and getting the exceptionally inaccurate pages about Judaism and Jewish beliefs updated. But since it is obvious that gping against the "tone of the page" and correcting incorrect information, misconceptions and lies is just going to have my edits removed, I am not going to waste my time. Instead, the very inaccurate content I had intended to fix will be used to prove the bias and agenda of this site. AllonY (talk) 19:34, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you are not prepared to explain your differences on the talk pages of the articles in question then there is not a lot I can say to help you. Have you read the RationalWiki:Newcomers guide which has suggestions about how to suggest changes to articles you feel strongly about?--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 19:51, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm not looking for your help; why would I want to stay on a site where some power mad moderator calls me a troll? Or else have some moderator tell me that they prefer the old version, even though the talk page is filled with people stating it is inaccurate and needs editing, because it suits the agenda of the site better. Hey, keep your site agenda, I'll spend my time on sites where censorship to promote bias is not the aim of the site. Where moderators are not on power trips calling people trolls because they don't like what they say. I WILL make sure to tell my mailing list (and congregants, yes I am the Rabbi of a community as well) to avoid this site, to avoid editing on this site and to inform other sabout the bias on this site. And yes, I make typos- it comes from thinking (and typing) in Hebrew almost as much as English. Normally its not ahuge thing- a message to "please review and remove typos has always worked on wikipedia- only here has a moderated threatened me, and then almost immediately blocked me.AllonY (talk) 20:01, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

For the record, I threatened to put a vandal brake on you after you reverted a correction of the same typos four times in about ten minutes. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 20:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

I reverted a post by you ONCE, thats hardly four times! But hey, make up any story you like to make yourself feel better. Seems that you ar eon such a powe rtrip anyway that a polite request is not something you would have ever considered and a high handed power trip and banning me your preferred action.AllonY (talk) 20:13, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Heres the link http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Palestine&action=history to the record of the page and the fact that I undid edits ONCE. Hmm, but with your power trip why do I not find your dishonesty surprising?AllonY (talk) 20:17, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Once. Twice. Three times. I stand corrected. You reinserted typos three times. Still spells "troll" to me. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 20:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Gee, so now on multiple pages I made revisions LOL Lets face facts, you are a power mad moderator who instead of just stating where the problem was and on what page, decided to go ahead and ban someone and call them troll. The question is- why not remove all my edits from there if I am such a troll? Really, trolls don't post accurate information and you should remove everything posted by the troll. The fact that you insisted on keeping it while I was in the process of removing it shows you did not think my posts were trolling. Come show you are not a hypocrite and remove my posts from the "Yom Kippur" article and revert it to what it was before I started editing. Then i will believe that you thought I was a troll. Anything less and it shows you are on a power trip, use "troll" as an insult knowing it is not true, and are on an ego tripAllonY (talk) 20:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Everyone calm down.--ZooGuard (talk) 20:37, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

EC-I don't know why you're escalating this. Some of your posts--to the holidays articles--were good. Some--to the more political articles--needed to be discussed on the talk pages because they fundamentally changed the tenor of the articles. When confronted with that, instead of following community guidelines, you started yelling about "fascist censorship" and other such nonsense, saying you were going to leave, and then repeatedly coming back to leave poorly-written screeds on your talk page and call other people power-hungry. That is classic trolling. You want to contribute productively about a subject you care about, great. You want to insult us and disregard community standards, not great. Your call. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 20:39, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, so now you're excuse for calling me a troll changes! LOL You want to go around accusing people of beung trolls because of typos, then you get escalation. YOU started throwing insults, but don't understand why I should take offense. Shame, go ahead, throw around your insults, it evidently makes you feel better about yourself. Come on, prove you are not a hypocrite and remove the edits I did to the pages on Jewish holidays I had started editing. Really, why leave my troll posts standing? If I am troll, why are you not removing them? AllonY (talk) 20:47, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

EC Jesus Christ. Did you read the part about where I said that those were good edits? Lets go over this slowly, and with small words so you're more likely to understand. Good edits to the holidays article were good. Edits to the political articles were in need of further discussion. Re-inserting typos on multiple occasions and calling us dictatorial censors was trolling. See what I did there? PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 20:52, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, so from lies, insults and hypocrisy we move onto condescension LOL I understand perfectly, I have three undergraduate degrees and two post graduate ones. I understand you all too well LOL Bottom line, you are a hypocrite on a power trip. You change your story continuously, you insult people, you use condescending language, you do your best to belitte people you are trying to beat down thinking it elevates you. Typical bully behaviour, and your osition as a moderator gives you the power to indulge yourself AllonY (talk) 21:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

PintOfStout isn't a moderator, & your qualifications are irrelevant. If you want to help contribute content to RW, you need to stop throwing insults around & maybe take some time away from the computer to calm down. If you don't want to contribute, so be it. But right now you're not achieving anything. Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:08, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

So hes not a moderator, but he's able to remove my ability to post... And yes, my qualifications ARE relevant when someone tries to talk down to me, or did that element escape you?AllonY (talk) 21:11, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

No, they're not, & you were also talking down to him. ωεαşεζøίɗ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:18, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Vandalize RW! Campaign

Join the global anti-stupidity movement, the Vandalize RW! Campaign! -MC ^{— Unsigned, by: TrentsBitch / talk / contribs}

No need to vandalise it; as it stands it has so many glaring errors and flaws that any vandalisation would only improve it! I'll eave it as it is, and use those errors to show people how inaccurate it is. Should make for a good laugh when needing a break from serious discussion AllonY (talk) 20:12, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Improve Ratwiki with more Wandalism.

Cool your head a minute

Look, we get it: Israel and Judaism are issues which you are passionate about. Nothing at all wrong with that. And, no, I refuse to pull out the "OMG you're a troll!!!!" card. But, this website is an effort of the collaborative of editors who work on it; it is not the result of any one person's effort, nor does any of the content belong to any one editor. That being said, you and everyone else involved right now need to cool your heads and work out your differences on the articles. We understand that Israel vs. Palestine (or however you choose to call it) is a very heated issue. But you are not helping your cause by being confrontational when people question what you are doing and then threaten to leave and not come back when we disagree. Talkpages are made for a reason: working out differences. It's got nothing to do with a percieved bias on our part or your part, but rather that, if you help us understand better what it is you're doing, we can tell you our thoughts and if we have any concerns of our own. Conservative Punk (talk) 20:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

You really think I should cool my head with a moderator who continuously throws new insults at me and then decides to talk down to me? You guys can do what you like, you are the ones in control here after all. I, however, will state my objections to power mad moderators operating as bullies AllonY (talk) 21:06, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Look, I talked to PintOfStout about how he was acting. I was not at all saying he was in the right, either, but that both of you needed to calm down and talk to eachother and sort out your differences in a calm and constructive manner. I certainly think calling you a "troll" was waaaay over the top. As I said, Middle East issues spark lots of passion on all sides, and I certainly don't fault you for being passionate about Israel and Judaism. Lord of Reckless Noise ^{Hooray! I'm helping!} 21:14, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Moderators.

I'm not a moderator, as you keep claiming. I am a sysop. And so are you, now. It's really not that big a deal. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 21:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Still doesn't change the fact that you are a hypocrite and a bully.Nor the fact that you throw around insults, are condescending and a liar. AllonY (talk) 21:15, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey now, can both of you cool your heads already? Hurling more insults will not help the situation. Lord of Reckless Noise ^{Hooray! I'm helping!} 21:17, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

EC ::Do you have any interest in actually working on something here, or are you only interested in escalating tensions? PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 21:18, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

In the spirit of "not escalating tensions", I suggest both of you to refrain from engaging each other until tomorrow.--ZooGuard (talk) 21:21, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Alternatively, open a dialogue at talk:Israel, talk:Palestine, or the talk page of whichever other article(s) you want to work on, but please make it about the article & not personal insults & accusations. Wėąṣėḷőįď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:23, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Gee, heres a radical thought, how about the person who insulted me, lied and was condescending to me actually apologise. Yes, I know thats a radical idea but every single thing I have stated here can be seen in his behaviour and in what he has written above. AllonY (talk) 21:25, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Your behaviour is at least as bad. You reverted his correction of your typing errors multiple times, then called him a dictator when he called you out on it. Are you planning to apologise for that? Ŵêâŝêîôîď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 21:38, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

You may well have a problem with another editor. Talk to him about it. In the meantime, if you wish to discuss the contents of a particular article page that is what the talk pages are for. Make a good case and people will listen to you. I would like to ask you for a second time if you have read the RationalWiki:Newcomers guide where this is explained.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 21:39, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Weaseloid Two of those so called instances were while I was trying to reverse edits I had done, I dd not even see that he had reverted them in between and actually thought I just had an error in how I was doing it. See, I am elsewhere in the world with VERY slow internet, check my IP address and you you will see. What happens there does not reflect immediately here. His warning came after ONE instance, the other two instance while I was trying to remove edits! The fourth he claimed I made, well even he seems unable to find that one! And yes, when a bully abuses their power I will make note of it, especially when it is coupled with uncalled for insults. AllonY (talk) 21:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

His warning came after the three instances he linked above. Check the times. I think the warning was justified. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 22:04, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

So you say he then went and muzzled me, even though I didn't commit any further offenses... mmm, a warning, then banned with no further offenses according to your timeline. Now theres a strange one, a warning is normally acted on after it is ignored, here it appears that the warning was merely a formality to muzzle someone posting things he didn't like.22:27, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

What muzzle? What ban? What timeline? Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Lighten up. Holding on to a grudge isn't a mitzvah. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 22:03, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Please, don't make matters worse by abusing Jewish concepts. If you want to know about offenses against others, apologies etc try treading Hilchos Teshuvah by Ramban or Hilchos Lashon Hara by the Chofetz Chaim. Those will do for a start. Until you have, don't presume to tell me what Judaisn does or does not say. AllonY (talk) 22:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Allon. Have you got round to reading our guide yet? Especially this part. It tells you how to react to articles which you profoundly disagree with.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 22:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Thing is, I have read it. When I made my edits, I left in things I found distateful in the name of balance, I just added, referenced, counter arguments. Saying that Palestine is a small territory in the middle east- fine- so I balanced that by stating how it came about, the division of the mandate- and linked to the UNITED NATIONS websote on the mandate and splitting of territory. Yes, aparently pointing out that it didn't start out tiny, that most of th eland went to Palestinians under the Hashemites in Jordan is "changing the tone of the article". Hmm, don't see how, unless the tome is to be inaccurateAllonY (talk) 22:20, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Taking out the bit about Israel colonizing the Occupied Territories, and generally trying to paint Israel as always the victim/never the bad guy wasn't very helpful. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 22:23, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Ah, so in other words you objected to ne or two things, therefore you removed everything! Yes, you have your bias and I have mine. Difference is, I left things in that found distasteful because it reflects another POV, you removed EVERYTHING that dared to lessen the impact of the propoganda, contentious or not. Perhaps you can explain why the division of the mandate was removed? Your blanket and summary removal, followed by quickly banning me and insulting me made sure to escalate the issue. AllonY (talk) 22:32, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Good. you have read it. So you will see that if you feel an edit could be contentious or if it might generate debate it is best to take it up on the talk page first. That way you will have the opportunity to convince people. And that way we all have the the opportunity to learn. The talk page is the way to go with polite debate.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 22:26, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Bad Faith (talk) 22:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Handling of the Torah

How interesting. I never actually learned that there was a defined etiquette to it. Now I finally understand why I always see the Torah rolled into scrolls. Lord of Reckless Noise ^{Hooray! I'm helping!} 23:33, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Yep, most things are done for a reason- many times even people in the community don't know them. But then, the volume of Jewish law is such that unless you make a concerted effort to make time to study it, you are unlikely to be able to get more than a surface understanding. AllonY (talk) 00:01, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Sign your talk page posts.

Please. You've been asked a few times now. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 14:31, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Whoops, not deliberate, just an oversight AllonY (talk) 14:33, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Again, please SIGN YOUR FUCKING TALK PAGE POSTS PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 15:24, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Gee, you know how to swear and shout, how very intelligent of you LOL Get a life and control your mouth or do you think expletives make you look intelligent?AllonY (talk) 15:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Look, it's a simple thing and by not doing it you create needless work for other users. Just fuckin' do it, okay? PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 15:48, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

And its a simple thing to watch your mouth and show a modicum of respect for others. Clearly that is too much for you and you would rather create conflict by behaving in a manner found offensive by others. Do grow up and learn to watch your mouth- unlike remembering to put four tildes after a post only being here, this will affect you away from the site AllonY (talk) 15:55, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

do you think expletives make you look intelligent?

I dunno. Do you think being self righteous makes you look like a prick? PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 15:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I see, you do think that using expletives is intelligent. Ah well, nothing that can be done for that then is there but wait for you to grow up and get a clue AllonY (talk) 15:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

People used to say "he only cusses cause he doesn't know how to express himself". Turns out, there is no link between intelligence and swearing, education and swearing, or vocab and swearing. It's just highly effective at getting your feelings across. --GodotI live in the Infinite monkey cage 19:38, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Actually no, many people do not see it as anything but rude, disrespectful and an inability to articulate communicate in a meaningful fashion. Obviously it depends on community, but you'll find it exceptionally rare for people to routinely swear in the business world and it is frowned on in many social circles and communities AllonY (talk) 19:42, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Rolls on the floor laughign my ass off. RARE in the business community? Not sure what business community you are in, but it's daily use in the Law rackets. GodotI live in the Infinite monkey cage 22:12, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

You live in a part of the world where its acceptable, good for you. However, just because that is the way it works in your part of the world, does not mean the same behaviour is acceptable in other parts of the world.AllonY (talk) 22:24, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

You're in our house. It's acceptable here. PintOfStout Talk Do you think expletives make you look intelligent? I dunno. Do you think being self righteous makes you look like a prick? 22:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

You're on my user page, and guess what I'll state my preferences here.AllonY (talk) 22:44, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Not in this community. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:46, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Guess what, on my user Talk page I will state that I find it offensive. Hey others don't, fine, I have not addressed it anywhere else on the site.AllonY (talk) 19:50, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Sounds like a logical fallacy to me. -- Seth Peck (talk) 19:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

When you create an article.

Please take the time to put linking brackets around relevant terms. Please take the time to link to the article from other pages. Thanks. PintOfStout Talk Do you think expletives make you look intelligent? I dunno. Do you think being self righteous makes you look like a prick? 22:18, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

It's actually not really an article but a diatribe against a version of Judaism/Christianity he doesn't agree with. Not that your point is any less important. heh. GodotI live in the Infinite monkey cage 22:37, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Nope, its an article about a Christian missionary movement that masquerades as Judaism to try and gain converts.AllonY (talk) 22:43, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Or, in a different light, jews who have decided on their own that Jesus was real and was teh messiah. How do you know he wasn't? GodotI live in the Infinite monkey cage 01:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Except that the majority have no connection to Judaism, their theology s completely Christian and they utilise Christian scriptures and interpretations. As for Jesus not being the Messiah, well that is the difference between Judaism and Christianity isn't it? Jews say he did nto meet the requirements and did not do what the Messiah was meant to do. Christians say that he did. Since Messianic Jews use the Christian interpretations, like other Christians they say Jesus met the requirements and oppose the Jewish POV.AllonY (talk) 05:56, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Cannot create account

Hi. I keep getting the following error when trying to create my account (mschlindwein) here:

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What does the system mean by "confirmation code"? I'm an active Wikipedia user, and I have relative good know-how on how Wikis work. And, of course, I'm sure I typed my password correctly every time ;o) Could you please help? My e-mail is marcelo_schlindwein@yahoo.com.

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