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Hi ConservapediaUndergroundResistor . Nice of you to join us. I take it that you are some kind of right-wing, secret, electrical component? :-) If you'd like to know a bit more about the site please have a look at our RationalWiki:Newcomers' guide.

Actually I'm not. I made this my user name because I resist Conservapedia. They've blocked me three times (and probably counting) and deleted my accounts as Bill111, Bill1111, and RationalWikiLover. Yes, I know. What I did as Bill111 was immature, but I've tried to be less youthful in my editing. -ConservapediaUndergroundResistor

## Rusty Spotted Cat

Just curious, but what's the reasoning for making that article? As it stands, it probably doesn't fit the "mission" here, especially since it's already done pretty well at Wikipedia. Do you have something new involving lulz and/or refutation of something, or is this just duplicating effort? --Kels 11:38, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Still, we should expand so we cover many more topics. Also, the study of biology, and especially zoology, is atrophy to the anti-science movement. Anyway, some lulz could certainly fit into it.--"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorcat! 12:14, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Yeah, if you've got some plans then no problem. Be worth seeing what you come up with. I just wanted to make sure. --Kels 12:23, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Hi again. It's great to see you getting involved - but we don't really need an article on every possible animal. We are not trying to compete with Wikipedia. An article on for, example Horse is not a bad idea as it is a good example of a fossil lineage. But if we have an article on every single animal then we are going to make an almost identical pro-evolution, anit-creationist argument on each of their pages. While we certainly could do this it might make for a level of repetition. I don't know if you have considered our mission statements here but they might help.--Bobbing up 14:22, 15 December 2008 (EST)
I agree we need to expand a bit. A zoology category will be great if you can find good examples that aren't too obscure and provide a good tie-in with the mission statement. So long as they're not completely ripped from WP that's fine. I've been thinking of going back over and refining basic chemistry again myself, I'm sure people won't mind us expanding the science sections. ArmondikoVgnostic 14:46, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Was it you I was talking to about creating a science namespace Armondikov?--Bobbing up 14:59, 15 December 2008 (EST)
You know, I'm good with a science namespace, and if we've got a hobbyist who wants to putter around with it so much the better. I'd support it, so long as there's SPOV and some tie-in to anti-science. --Kels 15:03, 15 December 2008 (EST)
How can we refute the anti-science and crank ideas if we flatly refuse to educate people? To refute anti-science, you need to teach about science. My article falls into that cat. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorcat! 16:21, 15 December 2008 (EST)
On subjects of fact, we can just point to WP, as you have said, they do do the job rather more intensely than we ever could. Ok, there might be one or two subjects on which we could reach the same depth of cover as WP, but we can't hope to compete with the whole breadth and depth that they do. I think we're better sticking to our mission and dealing only with the refutation of ... etc. Frohlich 16:31, 15 December 2008 (EST)
I'm not entirely convinced that your Rusty spotted cat article does a vast amount to educate the scientifically illiterate about the dangers of pseudoscience. It's also a slightly obscure place to start your crusade against anti science. I note that one of your earlier edits contained the line: The rusty-spotted cat (Prionailurus rubiginosus) is the smallest of the cat species. As such, it is much more easily domesticated than a lion. While this is probably true, it would seem to do little in respect of, for instance, explorations of authoritarianism and fundamentalism.--Bobbing up 16:35, 15 December 2008 (EST)
Ah, but I made it better and included lulz. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorcat! 16:55, 15 December 2008 (EST)
For that matter, neither does, say, the fun star wars article --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorcat! 16:57, 15 December 2008 (EST)
(hint) Does "Fun" mean anything to you? Toast 12:46, 16 December 2008 (EST)

(unindent) Bob: I assume it was me, sometime, somewhere. It's certainly an idea I could get behind. While it's true that there is no way we can or would even want to compete with WP on depth and breath, you have to remember that Wikipedia is Wikipedia. A lot of its science articles suffer badly from it's writing style. On RW, we're safe to drift into informality, slightly bizarre explanations and tying things together in ways that WP just can't because of what it is. While it's data is very extensive (it's chemical data is about as reliable as the Sigma-Alrich catalogue) its ability to explain things concisely and clearly sometimes suffers when it's presented to a non-expert audience. ArmondikoVgnostic 12:24, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Well, I'm in favour. So how do we go about properly bringing this 'fore the mob? --Kels 12:49, 16 December 2008 (EST)
You find the big badass power-mad ones that make lots of edits, make sure they're out of town and unilaterally go ahead without any approval :P ArmondikoVgnostic 08:02, 17 December 2008 (EST)
I have suggested previously that a science namespace would be the solution for this.--Bobbing up 14:30, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Think that only TMT can add a new namespace & I think he's afk 'til new year. 14:34, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Science articles are already linked via category - they could all be moved to a distinct namespace, but I don't think it's essential to do so. I also think that, by & large, they should be fairly close to the missions. Felidae is a bit of an anomaly, but obviously it's a labour of love, & there shouldn't be any more talk of deleting it or confing in to funspace. But I'm still not convinced that we should be building lots of equivalent articles to deal with every other creature classification or every application of science in as much depth. weaseLOId~ 14:48, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Is someone having a laff? The only pussy that get's rusty is ... Na, I said too much already.  Lily Ta, wack! 14:55, 22 December 2008 (EST)
At some level the entirety of science has some relationship with pseudo-science - if only as an example of what science is or is not. Any element of science could theoretically be referenced by a pseudo-science article. But if we justify science articles in that way it would have the effect of introducing the whole of science into mainspace - something which would be well beyond our mission. However given that we (a) have people who want to write explicitly about science and (b) will frequently want to reference science in our pseudo-science articles, a science namespace would be a good idea.--Bobbing up 15:45, 22 December 2008 (EST)
To my way of thinking, it would be a lot like the "Fun" namespace. It's not stuff that's necessary to the Mission, but just stuff that people like writing for a laugh. We've got a lot of people who just plain like science, even people like me who are a long way from experts. So for folks like that, having a namespace to do what they enjoy strikes me as just fine. It's not like it'd use up all the space on the wiki or anything, and it'd make a number of people happy. --Kels 16:00, 22 December 2008 (EST)
OK, you've convinced me. But what about all those science articles that are mission-related (evolution, etc.) - would they also go into the science portal or stay in mainspace? wassaiLOId~ 16:10, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Can someone copy the relevant chunks of this to a new place to discuss it, like maybe a debate page or something? And announce it on the intercom? ħuman 16:27, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Done. wassaiLOId~ 17:38, 22 December 2008 (EST)
Thanks! & thanks for the link here to it, too. ħuman 19:53, 22 December 2008 (EST)

## We could

... just copy WP:

The Rusty-spotted Cat (Prionailurus rubiginosus) is a very small wild cat of southern India and Sri Lanka. It is 35-48 cm (14-17 in) in length, plus 15-25 cm (6-10 in) tail, weighing in at only approximately 1.5 kg (3.3 lbs). Since adult females can weigh as little as 1 kg (2.2 lbs) or less, this species rivals (and may exceed) the Black-footed Cat (Felis nigripes) as the world's smallest wild cat. The color of the fur is grey, with rusty spots all over the back and the flanks, while the underbelly is white with large dark spots. The tail, thick and about half the length of the body, is darker in color than the body and the spots are less distinct. All in all this cat is quite similar to the related Leopard Cat (Prionailurus bengalensis).

## Habitat and behaviour

The Indian populations of the Rusty-spotted Cat mainly lives in tropical dry forests and dry grasslands, but in Sri Lanka rainforests are the preferred habitat. The reason for this difference may be the competition with the Leopard Cat, which occupies the rainforests of the mainland, but does not live in Sri Lanka.

This cat is nocturnal and partly arboreal, and feeds on rodents, birds and lizards. Its nature is described as friendly and playful, making it conducive for domestication as pets. It is also hunted for food in some areas by local human populations.

## Conservation

The Rusty-spotted Cat faces a high risk of extinction in the wild and is listed as vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. More specifically, the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Flora and Fauna (CITES) lists the Indian population in Appendix I (threatened with extinction where trade in the specimens is only allowed in exceptional circumstances) and the other populations in Appendix II (not necessarily threatened with extinction, but where trade in the furs is strictly controlled).

## Subspecies

There are two subspecies:

• Prionailurus rubiginosus rubiginosus, India
• Prionailurus rubiginosus phillipsi, Sri Lanka

In Sri Lanka, the Rusty-spotted Cat is known as Handun Diviya or Kola Diviya.[1] The terms 'Handun Diviya' and 'Kola Diviya' are also used by the local community to refer to the Fishing Cat (Prionailurus viverrinus), another little-known small cat in suburban habitats of Sri Lanka. Both animals are nocturnal and elusive and therefore distinct identity as to which one is referred as 'Handun Diviya' is arguable.[2]