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Formal letter

Dear Sir/Madam/Douchebag,

I am writing to you in relation to my official status on rationalwiki. Is my presence tolerated to a certain degree, or is it the type of post that brings my legal status into disrepute? In other words, do I have user rights or am I an anomoly, burnt at site by the websites authoritarian regime?

I would appreciate a response.

MC. ^{— Unsigned, by: MarcusCicero / talk / contribs}

Dear troll,

Unfortunately I cannot understand your comment. Please consider using simple words so that those of us who do not possess a superior intellect such as yours can understand you. Thank you. -- Nx / talk 12:07, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I doubt you'll get one. Leave Nx alone. ħuman 05:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

All trolls will be burnt at the steak with chips and peas by the websites authoritarian regime. Щєазєюіδ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 12:12, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

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I got rid of all the spam comments, but I also removed an innocent comment first of all because I thought you just wanted us to test the buttons (I never look at AotW). Sorry. I hope you can rescue it or something. : ( -- Mei (talk) 19:09, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

No worries, I restored it. Just click spam review, find the non-spam, and click not-spam. And thank you. -- Nx / talk 19:12, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

Nx FTW

I laughed, I must confess. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 20:42, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

I laughed at the rest of the thread. -- Nx / talk 20:44, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, that was also funny. Only Rob could ignore a big fucking arrow pointing at an underlined button and home in on the commie conspiracy instead. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 21:45, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

BoN talkpage

No real need to revert his edits here is there? It's just a talk page and he's just saying the word "spam." SJ ^Debaser 17:07, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

I didn't get it either. Nx, did Human put you up to this? ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 17:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Listen here, cunt

Explain to me why I'm more intelligent than you. Now. ^{— Unsigned, by: 86.40.196.135 / talk / contribs} 10:35, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Sign your comments please. -- Nx / talk 10:38, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm far too intelligent to do the 'little people' things. Explain why I'm more intelligent than you, right now. Cunt. ^{— Unsigned, by: 86.40.196.135 / talk / contribs} 10:39, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Um, your way with words? --Sean^talk 10:46, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Why am I being censored? I've been forced to use RWs fascist and authoritarian sign in thing. You charlatans deserve nothing but my complete contempt. NotNx (talk) 10:51, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

You're not being censored. -- Nx / talk 10:52, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I am being censored and my human rights are being suppressed. I have no legal rights. My voice here is at the whim of individual admins. The fact that my posts are not 'hidden' right now is the result of a constitutional technicality, not a point of principle. The LJ has ruined RW. You need me to reform this place. Make me a 'crat and within 22.34 hours I'll have made RW the envy of the internet. NotNx (talk) 10:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

In protest at your usurption of power

I have created a new, entirely random username. Next time you want to circumvent the rules, I expect a trial. AntiNx (talk) 11:05, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Why are you so humourless?

Why? You come across as a particularly boring sod. AntiNx (talk) 11:03, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Dammit Nx

So when I try to log into RW from my Itouch, suddenly, after a few more attempts then usual due to forgetting my password, I suddenly find myself locked out with the message "Error: too many recent login attempts on this account". I am now in a severly pissed state due to my forced iP editing. So, I have two questions:

1. Who the Hell made logging in such a bitch? After ONE missed attempt to login, I now have to use a recapcha, copypaste a gian string of text, and then try again. If I screw up twice, the computer makes me submit to a full cavity search. If I mess it up three times, the server sends FBI agents to my house. This draconian login system is NOT user friendly! If you're worried about brute-force attempts, you could just as easily set the limit of tries at 100 or a thousnad tries, and there would still be no way that the computer could get in, and people like me could actually log in without being locked out.
2. Hiw long will it take until I can have access to my account again, so I cam banhammer your and Trent's asses?

Sincerely,

A VERY pissed Theemperor.

This edit made my fucking day. An almost Ace-worthy level of vitriol. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 21:17, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

"Who the Hell made logging in such a bitch?" werdna [1]

"If you're worried about brute-force attempts, you could just as easily set the limit of tries at 100 or a thousnad tries, and there would still be no way that the computer could get in" It increases the chance of someone correctly guessing your password.

"Hiw long will it take until I can have access to my account again, so I cam banhammer your and Trent's asses?" 300 seconds, then you get 5 more attempts. -- Nx / talk 09:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

I have to agree, this is quite amusing. The easiest solution would be to not forget your password. ^theist 21:44, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Still, I agree with the emperor here. Five tries? I have a handful of versions of a similar password I use, and if on a device that hasn't saved them all it could easily take 5 tries to get in. How about making life easier for your fellow RWians, Nx? How about 10 or 20 tries in 10 seconds? A bot would never waste 5 minutes just trying 5 passwords. ħuman 02:23, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

These are the defaults. I've increased the nubmer of tries to 10. That is, IMHO, quite reasonable. Use a password manager if you have bad memory or a device that sacrifices ergonomics for looks. -- Nx / talk 09:05, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Of course you are logging in with a http conection instead of a https, so your login in details are being sent in plain text. A determined hacker can sit on the connection and read your password as it goes past. - π 09:40, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for cropping that image

Dear Nx,

Many thanks for editing this pic from Capturebot2. I'm sorry for creating such a massive file and my job for this evening was to have been to learn how to edit it and/or how to upload my local, cropped screen capture. I should probably do that now anyway though!

Thanks again, --NotANumber (talk) 20:23, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

No need to apologize, you can't upload images until you make a few edits and your account is a few days old, to prevent vandals from registering and uploading porn or some other crap. -- Nx / talk 22:10, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

That's right, we only trust experienced editors to upload porn. ħuman 01:08, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

[[File:frot.jpg|thumb|This is educational.]]

Exactly, they could load up exactly the wrong sort of porn. - π 02:25, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Frot.

"Jokes," if not "harassment" is a big part of why we're here. So is discussing things before unilaterally deleting them. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:23, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Guess what, ToP? People coming here don't expect to see porn. Educated bastard Hoover! 18:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Is anyone surprised by the identity of the perpetrator? ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 18:33, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

We're deleting you next. Mei (talk) 18:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

EC--Porn? On the Internet? Who would ever have imagined. the fucking thing has been here for months. How many complaints have we been inundated with? All I'm saying is a little "hey, I think this image is problematic, should we delete it?" with three confirming voices would have been nice, and set a handy precedent. TheoryOfPractice (talk) 18:35, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

If Marcus Cicero had pulled this stunt, you would have banned him. It's a liberal double standard, that's all I'm saying. Twats. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 18:40, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Your stance on badly drawn erections doesn't seem particularly consistent. Is it just the lame jokes that rubs you up the wrong way? Щєазєюіδ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Jesus_with_erection.png vs Special:WhatLinksHere/File:Frot.jpg. -- Nx / talk 19:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

OK, so . . . files that editors actually want to use get deleted? Щєазєюіδ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 20:01, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

GUMRAS

Giving Up My Rights And Striking is the new LANCB for the man who knows he's not going anywhere. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 19:56, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

That is it Neveruse, keep pushing him. If he ever actually goes Galt we are fucked. - π 13:35, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

I have an idea

And it's a good one (about the poopy pictures). It requires brainzy work, though. I only have the algorithm in my brainz, the execution will require smart people like you. ħuman 07:02, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

NSFW

How did you set that image up as "filtered"? And many thanks for figuring out to do this! ħuman 01:50, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

she messed up my user page 2 time let her fix it herself

.........that all Waronstupidity (talk) 09:34, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Nx!

I like Nx. What's happening in your hidden sanctum? Something intriguing no doubt. ^_________^ Mei (talk) 16:37, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Not really, I've been slacking off recently. -- Nx / talk 21:57, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Fascist

Why do you have the right to arbitrarily destroy free speech? Why is a little geek who spends all his life on this shitty website given such authority. You do know that most people think your a pathetic virgin who can't get an erection, right? 86.45.200.113 (talk) 17:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

You're = you are, your = belonging to you. Try to remember that, it's important when trying to appear intellectually superior. -- Nx / talk 17:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Fuck you, wanker. Go out and get a life. 86.45.200.113 (talk) 19:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Way to totally pwn him, MC. A brilliant retort that, once again, truly reflects you're your natural wit and elegance and the longstanding quality of you're your contributions to the community. How's you're your brother doing? P-Foster (talk) 19:18, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

How is it down there in YOUR mother's basement? geek. 86.45.200.113 (talk) 20:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

It's not bad. I was going to stop by and see your mother yesterday, but the queue went all the way around the block. P-Foster (talk) 20:18, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Your mothers ass is so big it fills the grand canyon. 86.45.200.113 (talk) 20:19, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

"Mothers" as in plural? I only have the one, thanks. P-Foster (talk) 20:22, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Imbecile. 86.45.200.113 (talk) 21:20, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Marcus, you're better than this. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 21:23, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

I strongly disagree. This is about as good as he gets. P-Foster (talk) 21:45, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

for fuke sake

I DID USE ADD SECTION! give credit when it is due...Waronstupidity (talk) 22:39, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

You don't have to reply on my talk page, unless you feel I've forgotten to reply on yours. -- Nx / talk 22:42, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

The dry wit you use when dealing with inexperienced people

I like it. A lot. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 12:06, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I agree with this a lot. Mei (talk) 19:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

w

Hello, I must be going to sleep soon. Thank you for getting me the right number of candles. That was nice. ^______^

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Mei (talk) 19:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

does this image considered fair use?

http://mountandblade.wikia.com/wiki/File:Desktop2.jpg i putted it on the main page.Waronstupidity (talk) 20:11, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

The FBI will be at your door in 10 minutes. -- Nx / talk 20:13, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

your shitting me ? O_O seriously is this fair use?Waronstupidity (talk) 20:14, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm dead serious. And why didn't you use the add section button properly again? -- Nx / talk 20:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

i did..... the section broken if you ask me. and your serious the *FBI* will be at my door?Waronstupidity (talk) 20:21, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Do you have a strong magnet nearby? You can use it to wipe your hard drive of evidence. -- Nx / talk 20:27, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

you're just messing with me aren't ya.Waronstupidity (talk) 20:28, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

No, I'm serious, they'll be there soon. Have you wiped your hard drive yet? There's no time to lose. -- Nx / talk 20:31, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

dude they cant send the F.B.I for a single picture and you know it i aint that stupid, can you amswer a question seriously for once? Waronstupidity (talk) 20:36, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes. -- Nx / talk 20:38, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

yes what ? yes it is copyrighted work ? yes it is fair use? or yes i am going to amswer you with a serious amswer for once.Waronstupidity (talk) 20:42, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes. -- Nx / talk 20:43, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

for fuck sake why are you doing this ? im just asking you a simple question.........Waronstupidity (talk) 20:46, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Because it's funny. -- Nx / talk 20:51, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

well could you give me a serious amswer instead of feeling better about yourself by putting me down ? Waronstupidity (talk) 20:52, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I gave you a serious answer. -- Nx / talk 20:53, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

which is ?Waronstupidity (talk) 20:58, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

That is left as an exercise for the reader. -- Nx / talk 21:01, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

......... fuck it...t im going to ask someone else.Waronstupidity (talk) 21:02, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

come on amswer me... i just dont want to get in trouble with the image......Waronstupidity (talk) 21:12, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm not a lawyer. Fair use is not a well-defined concept. The fair use rationale for this image is weak: it's high-res and is used merely for decoration. But you're unlikely to get into trouble over it. -- Nx / talk 21:16, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

thank you Nx :-) Waronstupidity (talk) 21:18, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

wwww

Is there a way I can transclude a set number of templates automatically? I have been thinking about dividing my Cunning Log into pages, because it is very long, but I can't think of a way to do it automatically. There is probably code that can do this, but I am ignorant of all code.

(I theorize that coming to you with a specific problem has to be a bit better than saying 'this is confusing can you do it all for me'.) Mei (talk) 22:00, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, DPL, but DPL is evil, so you shouldn't use it. -- Nx / talk 22:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't always run away. Sometimes I hover right here waiting for your text. Mei (talk) 22:24, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Do you think there is a non-evil way of doing it? Mei (talk) 22:24, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Manually, of course. Just move the old template transclusions onto an archive page. You could maybe get Pibot to do it too, by noincluding the section headers and timestamps. -- Nx / talk 22:27, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I was going to do it manually, but I got confused. I started to experiment with seeing how many updates would look right on one page, and all I decided was that I should be able to change that later, which would be seriously confusing to do manually. Mei (talk) 22:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe I should just learn how to make a bot. I could call it MeiRobot2. It would also press and fold clothes. Mei (talk) 22:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I LOVE YOU!1!!!11!1!1111!1

Really :-) , i do Waronstupidity (talk) 22:11, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Uh, okay. -- Nx / talk 22:12, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

come on! share the love! you know you want to! Waronstupidity (talk) 22:14, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

blocked 74.63.112.0/24

A range block? some people might argue that we don't really "do" range blocks... P-Foster (talk) 23:02, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Some people might argue that we should start using the tools available to us to keep the trolls and vandals out. -- Nx / talk 23:25, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I'd like to see what this discussion would look like if it was three days long. Mei (talk) 23:27, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

(I agree with Nx) Mei (talk) 23:27, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest a range block should not be used. Aceⁱ⁹ 00:41, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I don't think you should have done that at all. Aceⁱ⁹ 00:52, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

The php error log is full of lines like this:

[11-Apr-2010 20:29:59] PHP Fatal error:  Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in /home/rational/public_html/wiki/includes/diff/DifferenceEngine.php on line 1203

These errors were caused by one of the edits to the Saloon bar, and essentially caused a ddos what with everyone trying to see that diff. In the end I had to oversight the edit, and things are starting to return to normal now. Forgive me for being oversensitive to issues like this. -- Nx / talk 00:59, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

User:Stunteddwarf/sig

Thanks for all your help. I think we can definitely say my very small pool of wikiing skills has improved as a result of your help, although it took me a little while to work out what was meant by the Alt.-- ^{Spirit of the Cherry Blossom} 16:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

No problem. The alt is important for anyone browsing without images, I'll add that to the help page. -- Nx / talk 16:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

It's always nice to feel important, though I can't say I've ever been used for that before. alt (talk) 16:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

'I checked it, it's the video that was discussed here too, which he removed from youtube. I'm not sure we should be including it here.'

I just checked it too and I was about to come back and say exactly the same thing. It's not what the link says it is, it's not new in any way, and we generally don't have any business hosting it. I support your removal. Mei (talk) 20:40, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Looks like all of his videos are gone, unfortunately. -- Nx / talk 20:48, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

What's that site that collects videos? Fundie Video Hell? Mei (talk) 20:53, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. You think they have backups? -- Nx / talk 20:58, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't know anything about them, but I think that's what they were for. I will go look for them. Mei (talk) 21:00, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

FVH is just a youtube account it turns out. No search results for nephilim or nephilimfree. Back to the drawing board. Mei (talk) 21:03, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I don't have time to look at them in any detail right now, but this site appears to have copies of some of his Youtube videos (plenty of the links are responses from others, but there are some of his too) alt (talk) 21:23, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

automatic log of Mei

Hello Nx. I made a way of automating Cunning Log without using evil, which is here. It sort of works but there is a big space which makes the page look bad. I don't know where it comes from, but I'm hoping there is a simple explanation. Mei (talk) 22:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

I also thought I should check with you that #ifexist does not hurt the server very much. It checks 62 pages at the moment, and I will be using the Automation template once for each month. Mei (talk) 22:21, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Ifexist is not as bad as dpl, but it's still expensive. There's a limit of 99 ifexist calls per page - you're using 31*2 = 62, plus an ifexist on every page (for the talk page link), so that means you could theoretically reach the limit, if you post more than 37 logs in a month -- Nx / talk 22:44, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

OK here is what I'm thinking.

1. I'll get rid of the talklink #ifexist immediately. It's pretty unimportant and if it slows things down it just has to go.
2. Nesting the #ifexists so that it doesn't check for 150410B unless it already found 150410. This is a big drop.
3. Calling the posts manually in the monthly archives. This means that the Automation template would only be used on the 'front page', to update things automatically.

This means there is only one page that uses lots of #ifexists. It also seriously cuts down the number used - from 62 to 31. The only problem is it will still go up to 62 when I have a full month of updates on the front page. I think it would be possibly to nest the #ifexist functions so that it uses about 17 at minimum (mainly counting B updates). This would be done by starting in the middle of the month, and homing in on the latest update by progressively halving what is left. I think if I knew where the latest update was, it would seriously cut the number of #ifexists needed to trigger the rest of the posts. I only have a vague idea of how this works logically, and even less idea of how it would work in wikicode. (I'm not asking you to write this insane halving code, I'm just kind of thinking out loud). Even if I could do that, though, it would still mean 36 #ifexists on the final day of the month - five to find the latest update and 31 for the B updates.

tl;dr version - The B updates make it impossible to get the potential number of #ifexists down further than about 30, and I am probably stuck with a range of 31-62 anyway. What do you think of this with regards to the server? Mei (talk) 22:34, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

It'll probably be fine, it's not nearly as slow as some of our monster pages (WIGO:CP, Saloon bar etc.). You don't have to worry that obsessively about performance, as long as you're under 99 it's okay. The point isn't that you should spare the poor server from having to do its job, the point is that you don't want people waiting too long for the page to load, or they won't read it. You could create a sandbox to stress test it with the maximum number of updates, then see how fast it is.

For the archives, where the result is always the same, I recommend using subst. You can create a second automation template, put {{<includeonly>subst:</includeonly>#ifexist:...}} in it instead of the normal ifexists (this will not work when transcluded unfortunately, that's why you need a second template - this is fixed in MW 1.16, with the introduction of safesubst), then just subst it on the archive page. That should make archiving easier (if you need help with that, look at this, just replace safesubst with subst) -- Nx / talk 07:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, dead branches were still parsed in the version of Parserfunctions we had, so nesting ifexists had no effect. I've installed a newer version so now it should be better. -- Nx / talk 15:24, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Nx. That subst idea is very clever, but I will probably just type out the templates I want, since it would be pretty much the same amount of effort. I was afraid of nesting not working, and I'm glad it does now. :) Mei (talk) 02:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Block whining

So why not uncheck those buttons by default? I always do it manually, but I bet most people don't bother when blocking for 3 seconds. Fix the software rather than sending one random intercom message most people will never see or remember? ħuman 14:32, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Ok. -- Nx / talk 14:37, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. I've been meaning to ask for that to be fixed for a while. ħuman 14:47, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

You Goddamn fucking nazi

Christ I am sick of your fucking bullshit you fucking jesus-creeping clownshoes. You goddamn fucking Nazi. What did I fuck up? And you really think posting such condescending garbage, regardless of transgression, on my talk page gives you an ounce of creedence? Fucking moron. Aceⁱ⁹ 08:14, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Oh shit I see! An "e" instead of an "o"! OH FUCK! You freak. Aceⁱ⁹ 08:18, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

You mean other than the fact he had to go rewrite the vote tables, yet again? - π 08:31, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Cheers for fixing the broken WIGO stuff. I'm pretty ignorant of wiki stuff, but is there no way of automating the numbering? Seems it index problems are regular enough, and even a simple system is prone to error without automation. ^{Ask me about your mother} 22:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

There's a gadget that puts WIGO numbers into the "Wigo" section of the box below. Tell 'em,Nx. ^yummy &  ^honey_{(or marmalade)} 22:52, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

There is also a parser hook as well. When editing WIGO there is a button in the box above you can click on that will add the next poll. - π 22:56, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I hadn't noticed those before. ^{Ask me about your mother} 23:00, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Nxbot and unsigned

While the bot is doing good work, is there a way it can operate without updating the forum "recent edit" date? It sort of messed up the box on the saloon bar by editing most of them. Kind of like how pibot doesn't give us orange boxes when it archives our talk pages? Thanks. ħuman 21:36, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't think it's possible. It looks like dpl can exclude minor edits but not bot edits. I'll see if I can add that. -- Nx / talk 21:42, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! ħuman 22:12, 15 April 2010 (UTC)