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I would like to say that I have changed my mind, and have decided that being a dick to users who are new here is both uncalled for and not funny. So don't do it, it does not make you appear clever or witty in any way. Also, I hope this does not edit conflict you, because incoveniencing you is the last thing I want to do.--The Emperor _{Kneel before Zod!} 02:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Before everyone fights over this, I would like to say that this is not actually worth fighting over. Mei (talk) 03:22, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Ace

Although I stand by my intial point I apologise for such vitriol. Aceⁱ⁹ 04:36, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

What cha doing?

Are you fixing the AOTW kludge? - π 11:47, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but not the comments. See my reply in a minute on Talk:AOTW -- Nx / talk 11:51, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Okay. - π 11:52, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Do you often laugh at poll ids? - π 12:19, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

slider-input-slidersetaotw-slider-Moral_panic (ok this isn't a poll id, it's the id of the inputbox, but still) -- Nx / talk 12:21, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Well it doesn't roll of the tongue like wigo (or even wige) that is for sure. - π 12:24, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Vote link vs vote buttons

Please use a button for the vote link (at least) in the section of checkboxes when you are done (As of now it looks like a link buried in a bunch of other links). Not exactly urgent however. [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 13:31, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

what did he say ?

what did the troll say ? you deleted the revision so i cant see what he did. Waronstupidity (talk) 23:45, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Maybe one day when if you become bureaucrat you will find out. -- Nx / talk 23:50, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

dude come on it was related to me... i want to know what he said :-( Waronstupidity (talk) 23:51, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

It wasn't related to you. -- Nx / talk 23:53, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

ok then :-) i though the guy edited my post Waronstupidity (talk) 23:55, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

If you look at the edit comment, you'll see that they edited a different section (although that can be forged, but it wasn't in this case). -- Nx / talk 23:58, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

Clogo

A BON had an accident and the flow on effects were a mess. I then fixed it and made it worse. Can you help, please? - π 03:27, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Good work

Have a beer - David Gerard (talk) 00:28, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Nx / talk 00:34, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, whatever you did ;) ħuman 10:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

For demonstrating exemplary goatery in the line of duty, Concernedresident has awarded you a used pre-owned! and slightly stale cookie. Ewwwwwww. Cockroaches ate half of it.

Your continued wiki-fu is appreciated.--^{Ask me about our book} 16:26, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Agreed. You've been doing a good job in the fight against certain folk lately. You deserve this: The Goonie 1 ^{What's this button do? Uh oh....} 20:33, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

w

Testing. Mei (talk) 21:36, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

Now I am using substitution. And also my signature is much smaller than yours. Mei (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

fixing things at the same time as me

Very bad. Causes confusion. Do we now have two cites with that name? Does that break anything? I can't see any problems. Mei (talk) 10:53, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

Stupid automatic edit conflict resolution - doesn't work when I want it to, does work when I don't want it to. -- Nx / talk 11:03, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

That is standard computer policy. Mei (talk) 11:36, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

ww

You do things faster than me. Not fair. Mei (talk) 11:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I have magic abilities. -- Nx / talk 11:52, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Why wigo world specifically? Is it the edit count? Mei (talk) 11:59, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. MW can't load the list of revisions on the undelete page. Time stupid Phantom! 12:00, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

WIGO World has 2571 revisions according to the undelete comment, the limit for sysop deletion is 2000. But it appears that MW thinks it has 1833 revisions when determining whether it is within the limit or not. -- Nx / talk 12:03, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, it turns out it's not a bug, it's a feature, it only estimates row counts for better performance. -- Nx / talk 12:22, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

changed group membership for User:Nx from Bureaucrats and Sysops to Sysops

A bit of self-flagellation there, mate? I'm re-demoting you unless you have a good reason why not...P-Foster (talk) 14:48, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I was testing the revision limit on sysop-deletion, and I forgot to redemote myself. -- Nx / talk 14:50, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Ah. Very well then. Carry on. P-Foster (talk) 15:01, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

hay

just sayin hey. rational ghey (send a message) 13:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Hello. -- Nx / talk 13:33, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

How's it goin rational ghey (send a message) 13:36, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Meh. I hate math. -- Nx / talk 14:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

I can add :) rational ghey (send a message) 15:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Spammers

Actually, I think it is an unwritten rule that you can block them for a time to disrupt them. I've often blocked them for 3 months at a time, and they never return. AnarchoGoon ^{Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living} 03:31, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Too bad it contradicts the written rules... -- Nx / talk 03:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but find me someone who will complain. In all honesty, I've been meaning for a while to start a discussion about amending that in the case of spambots. Otherwise, we could also always rename them to disrupt them. The Goonie 1 ^{What's this button do? Uh oh....} 03:39, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

(E fucking C I will block YOU again!) A day or two is plenty I think. Reminds me, have I cleared the blocklist recently? ħuman 03:40, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Note the spammer's edit pattern. A day or two won't affect them. Frankly I don't know why we shouldn't just permablock (with the talkpage left open for them), but I don't want a HCM. -- Nx / talk 03:44, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

I've often thought that myself, and the conclusion I came up with is, as I've seen before, all that is required is a block to disrupt the program. Thus, we keep our "we don't permablock" stance, and get rid of the bot. IMO, it's a far easier sell to the community that doesn't permablock. AnarchoGoon ^{Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living} 03:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

This one looks more like a person. And again, look at their edit pattern so far. -- Nx / talk 03:50, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Well, if Goonie says blocking for up to three months works, then I'm willing to take his word for it. I see no reason we don't amend the rules to allow blocking spambots for longer times. I'm willing to push for the change if either of you are. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Change is an evil thing. It usually leads to HCM, tears, leaving and never coming back and hurt feeling all round. -- Nx / talk 00:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Yet we persevere. Nothing will ever improve if we allow ourselves to be held hostage by traditionalists.

There have been at least four major incidents where we tried to change things and "HCM, tears, leaving and never coming back and hurt feeling all round" resulted; the forces of progress won two times, and that ain't a bad rate! Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 00:39, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

You're probably not wondering, but...

And you may already know, but I used this site to do it. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 23:49, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Cheater! -- Nx / talk 23:52, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Yes, but it's still teh cool! –SuspectedReplicant retire me 00:14, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Have I screwed up a page?

Did my edits to the table template messes Template list? If so I'll remove the parser function. - π 08:57, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Yep. Look at the categories: Pages with too many expensive parser function calls. Probably too many ifexists. -- Nx / talk 08:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay I'll remove that. - π 09:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

If you only want to hide the redlink, you can use css. Simply put it into a span, then make a css rule that matches anchors with the "new" class in that span and display:none them. -- Nx / talk 09:15, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

oops

Sorry, did I accidentally overload the poor critter? --PsyGremlinTala! 22:32, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

No, it was Opcn. I'm trying to figure out why exactly it didn't work, but it doesn't help that pywikipediabot dumps the entire html upload page into the log. -- Nx / talk 22:34, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Nolicence vs Nolicense

I am about to fix the thousand or so images that have the Template:Nolicence instead of Nolicense to stop them having to redirect, do you want me to subst the new template on? - π 04:51, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

No, leave the nolicense template on (don't be confused by the subst in MediaWiki:Licenses, that's a trick to insert the correct date automagically) -- Nx / talk 05:53, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Help?

Point me in the right direction and I'll give you a hand with the wikignoming you're doing. --PsyGremlinKhuluma! 05:49, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Human has decided that using space (or *) sort keys to put an article at the front of a category is stupid. If you find any articles categorized like that, remove the sort key. -- Nx / talk 05:50, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm on it. Starting with the V to Z pages, so we don't overlap.--PsyGremlinParlez! 06:00, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Brilliant. ħuman 07:13, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to join in any time. :) --PsyGremlin말하십시오 07:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

I've never seen a worse example of what wikipedia calls "POINT". Well, I probably have, but seriously, kids, what the hell are we/ you doing? ħuman 07:41, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Blerg. Done from vaccine to zombie and have lost the will to live. will be back for more later. --PsyGremlinSnakk! 09:44, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for your help with the PDF. --UnicornTapestry (talk) 16:42, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Is this genuine?

(Block log); 20:45 . . Nx (Talk | contribs) blocked Totnesmartin (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of 3 seconds (about right) (autoblock disabled) (Overriding a senior administrator's block)

Is this how this website works? JustCurious (talk) 20:48, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Yep. -- Nx / talk 20:50, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

Do note the time, Marcus. Professor Moriarty 20:49, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

I'll leave it ALL to you then shall I?

Gimmme chance to do things before you jump in ^{(I am a person not a template)} 12:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Sorry! -- Nx / talk 12:28, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Vote thing

Hey Nx. That vote thing is absurdly easy to use. I thought it was going to require something complicated like "thought" or "effort" but it needs neither. It's great. --Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 15:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

It's too easy, I'll have to invent a more complicated syntax, preferable something that involves special character that you can't even type with your keyboard -- Nx / talk 16:14, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's the sort of thing. And lots of parameters - they're always good for putting people like me off things.--Bob^{Spring is sprung!} 17:07, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Whenever Nx fiddles with something, I usually take a look and try to understand it because learning is fun. However, when I saw the DPL syntax, its ridiculousness was immediately apparent and no further effort was necessitated. ^{— Sincerely, Neveruse / Talk / Block} 17:19, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Why do you revel in ruining this site?

Before you came along this site was a libertarian paradise, where ideas were paramount, not pathetic policies, or 'site layout'. You're an úber-geek who has single handedly ruined this website. How does that make you feel? 86.40.207.29 (talk) 22:12, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

über is spelled with an ü, not an ú. -- Nx / talk 22:27, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Hey, I thought I was the one who ruined the site? Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 22:28, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Puhleeze. I created the whole ruining this site meme. -- Nx / talk 22:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

::::I don't know how you can live with yourself, having single handedly turned this place into a parody of sexually deviant wikipedia geeks, dying to enforce policy, and generally attempting to masturbate over documents such as WP:NPA etc. Geek. 86.40.99.232 (talk) 09:29, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

He has turned this into the National Parks Authority? - π 09:31, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

I think he meant National Postdoctoral Association. The Goonie Punk ^{Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!} 15:34, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Hi Nx,

I'm not trying to harass anyone. I just noticed that my question had been removed from TK's talk page. I actually thought I did it myself when I left his talk page, so I placed the question back again when I was checking to see if there was an answer from him.

I'm more familiar with the procedures for making article contributions (though I only contribute every few months) than I am conversing with editors, but I'm also still trying to familiarize myself with the various guidelines for each online encyclopedia. I'm not very familiar with the procedures for leaving questions for editors, so I end up fumbling around their talk pages not sure if that's how/where I'm supposed to talk to them.

To add to the confusion, I actually just made a contribution to a Conservapedia article, but the particular editor for that article is a Wikipedia editor. I couldn't find TK's talk page on Conservapedia, but followed the links and wound up here. Also, I'm not sure how to log in on Wikipedia when I'm required to use an alias for my contributions here, while being required to use my actual name for contributions to Conservapedia. Hence, I'm a little confused here...

If you could help or advise, I would greatly appreciate it. And if I'm not supposed to leave a question on TK's talk page, can you tell me where I should ask him about my contributions to Conservapedia? I'm not seeing a way to do that on Conservapedia itself...

Thank you so much, DeanneB98.223.220.154 (talk) 00:29, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

It has all been archived. TK can't answer you, he is blocked. - π 00:39, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

No, Pi, this -- Nx / talk 00:40, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Well that falls under Wikipedia's problem. - π 00:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

"If you could help or advise, I would greatly appreciate it. And if I'm not supposed to leave a question on TK's talk page, can you tell me where I should ask him about my contributions to Conservapedia? I'm not seeing a way to do that on Conservapedia itself... " That sounds like a Conservapedia issue. He has his e-mail and chat listed on his userpage over there, AFAIK. P-Foster (talk) 15:38, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

Ugly

Despite all the good stuff you do here there is something that offends my aesthetic sensibilities. On your voting indicator bars the white spacing to the right is unbalanced unless there are votes for all three options. Sorry if this seems picky.  Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 09:48, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

My humble apologies, I was using the IE rendering engine. It looks fine on Chrome.  Lily ^{Inspirate me.} 13:50, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Could you upload a screenshot to show me exactly what the problem is? -- Nx / talk 19:27, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Ye Gods

What the...............what happened with all these blocks you are undoing? Aceⁱ⁹ 10:10, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't know, Apparently Human and some others think blocking sprees are funny, but blocking for 24 hours on a blocking spree is a bit too much, and I think I spotted some non-sysops there too. -- Nx / talk 10:11, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, well thanks muchly for sorting that out - logged on saw your unblock binge, wondered WTF? Aceⁱ⁹ 10:16, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry about that, I considered just wiping the block table clean, but decided to go with this instead since it's more transparent. -- Nx / talk 10:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that. --ConcernedResident ^{equestrian for the ladies} 10:27, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

No need to apologise, thanks! Aceⁱ⁹ 10:31, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

No non-sysops were harmed during the production of these Nx-proof lulz by Turpis, Punk, & I. ħuman 03:08, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Irony!

I'm sorry, but I'm sure you, like myself, can't help but find an assworth's of irony in this vandalism. Besides, you are certainly cooler than any internet who thinks people actually care what they think. LimpWrist (talk) 23:26, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

Funny, I've got Pi all over my ass for deleting a "message" that was generated due to my own comments (over the LJ thing). To follow the rules to the letter, just stuff it into an archive. ħuman 03:07, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

And RA is whining, too, amusingly fucking enough. Talk page comments are not "vandalism". ħuman 03:40, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Not this shit again! "I think it is a RW policy not to delete talk page comments unless they are wholly offensive and devoid of any content" - yes, exactly, devoid of content, that's what MC's comments are. The policy (isn't it ironic how he says I'm ruining this site by drowning it in policy and bureaucracy) was meant to ensure that people with differing opinions were not censored like at CP (e.g. Earthland). MC is not a person with differing opinion, MC is a troll. What he says is not his opinion, and he is not here to discuss. The only purpose his comments serve is to elicit the strongest possible emotional response. Removing his posts without comment is the best way to deny him what he wants: a response. -- Nx / talk 10:04, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Agree with Nx - I remove his comments as soon as I see them. Aceⁱ⁹ 10:10, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Nice way to feed the troll. ħuman 04:46, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion for the technically gifted Nx

A script/extension or whatever you call it that reads a page and, if it detects a <ref></ref> tag, automatically inserts ==Footnotes==<br><references/> at the foot? 12:37, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

That's a bit complicated - one option is to append that stuff when you save a page if it has ref but not references. Problem is, you'd have no control over it, and it'd be difficult to detect when a ref tag is in nowiki, or if the references tag is in a template (e.g. {{reflist}}) - so essentially it would need to parse the whole page before saving it to the database - and that's not a good idea.

The other option is to display the reference list at the bottom of the page even if the references tag is not present, sort of like how categories work, i.e. you can put a category anywhere on an article, and you don't have to use a category tag, they'll be automatically added to the bottom of the output page. I think this would be a more feasible solution, but I think it was rejected at WP because of technical problems - unfortunately, I can't find the discussion. -- Nx / talk 14:28, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Yeah. I thought it was pretty pointless really, just saw someone removing an unused "==Footnotes==" section and my mind went off on a tangent of its own. Would there be any point to a (hidden) category "Pages without references" auto inserted by a bot (like stubbot) that crept round the site once a week or so? Sorry but Sunday afternoons are boring. 14:56, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

You mean for pages that don't have references at all, or pages that have ref but not references tag? -- Nx / talk 14:57, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Pages without any refs. Of course you'd need a "NoNoRefs" tag as well to stop refbot flagging unnecessarily. 15:02, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Not really. If "refbot" removed an empty footnotes section, it wouldn't try to do it again. Susan, you really are bored, aren't you? ħuman 04:44, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Bot question

I switched WIGO:WORLD to the coloured format and noticed that we have "what is going on" in the top bar and "what is going on" in a heading below it. The second one seems superfluous so I was wondering, do the bots that do the archiving and best of use this as a marker to identify what to move? Basically, would getting rid of it cause the bots to break or go out of control or am I thinking that it's more complex than it really is? ^sshole 14:21, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Most likely the bot uses the <!--worldbot--> marker, but you'll have to ask Pi to be certain. -- Nx / talk 14:23, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Of course, I should have checked the comments in the code! Although the sectioning does help hide those comments from the top-bar when it's edited (using the "0" button). ^sshole 14:26, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

There's a slight chance that the worldbot tag is just a remnant of a previous system, and that the current bot doesn't use it. But likely not. -- Nx / talk 14:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Oh, this explains everything.... ^sshole 14:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Firebug ftw. It's useful for spotting empty <p>s like that -- Nx / talk 14:36, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

thanks and questions

sorry thanks for deleting it, i will make sure it doesn't happen again.is this how you want me to sign my posts i just used what i saw an the other posts. would it be worth it if i made my user page since you deleted it? Nailo1 (talk) 18:22, 20 May 2010 (UTC)nailo1

Thanks, it's a bit of a touchy subject. As for signing, when you type four tildes, it will be replaced by your signature and a timestamp, so you don't have to type your name after it.

I deleted your userpage because I accidentally posted there instead of on your talk page. You don't have to create one (although some people here get annoyed if they see red users, I don't) -- Nx / talk 18:38, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok thank you and one question i am looking around for a place to discuss making a new article should i just make something for it in the to do listNailo1 (talk) 18:51, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Try the Saloon bar. -- Nx / talk 18:58, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

ok thanks again i've spent a lot of time watching these lectures http://www.teach12.com/teach12.aspx i wanted to discus it somewhere. Nailo1 (talk) 19:10, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

I never called you a drama queen

I have never done that, nor did I mean to insult you. I have tried to make it clear many times how much I appreciate your hard work and effort, and how much you have done for this site. I have no problem relying on you for anything, and have trusted you and entrusted to you more than any other user on the site. But that wasn't the way to go about dealing with the situation, and I think you know that. tmtoulouse 17:20, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's why I'm calling myself a drama queen. -- Nx / talk 17:21, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

We still looove you! I bet even Human does. In a manly way - David Gerard (talk) 18:34, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Indeed I do. We may squabble, but what Nx does for the site is undeniable, and Trent's trust is totally justified. We are lucky to have a competent and trusworthy editor/tech person like Nx. ħuman 01:26, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

If by manly you mean in a Deliverance way, then yep. ConcernedResident ^{omg ponies!!!} 18:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Might I say - not in a gay way - you did it your way. SJ ^Debaser 18:43, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

You do a huge amount of really great, clever stuff for the site, and we all think you're great because of it. But yes: you're a drama queen. –SuspectedReplicant retire me 19:01, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

I don't think "drama queen" is the right word, actually. The likes of MC and CUR were/are drama queens, bringing the subject back around to them or their pet topic constantly. Nx is a little different, I think, probably due to being hardened by cynicism generated by the usual reactions of the community to certain things. Although I have to admit that when I was considering a total rollback it was also partially for self-serving temper-tantrum reasons. ^sshole 20:23, 24 May 2010 (UTC)