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WIGO at 14 Green Votes

What's with the WIGO CP votes and the number 14? It seems that someone uses down votes in order to depress the number back to 14 if it gets above that. Seems like a weird thing to do, especially since it's still possible to see the number of up votes by hovering over the votes bar. JumboWhales (talk) 04:11, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

I thought it was because Conservapedia no longer really attracts any interest outside of a small niche of our userbase, but I may be mistaken. VeeMeow? 02:27, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
Yep, CP is a minority interest now, but there’s been a pattern for a while of relatively high votes being voted down until the total up votes equals 14, which happens every week or so. Why, it’s almost as if some “mysterious” and lonely underachiever with an axe to grind is trying to mess with us. How very, very sad… JumboWhales (talk) 05:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Rap Song

Stunning work. I mean. it's hilarious. Good work - not at all childish. Definitely the work of an adult who is sound of mind. But I've taken a new contract so you need to change it up because that isn't my job now so your rap is out of date. I now manage a communications team on a large infrastructure project. Make it happen, dude. A new rap! Acei9 00:53, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

There's a hard frost where I am, but I read the first few lines of his "song" and my cheeks became so red with embarrassment on Ken's behalf that it actually warmed me up. Thanks Ken, there really is no start to your talents. Instead of more embarrassing attempts at songs why don't you put up a page saying how proud you are that an innocent man got the crap beaten out of him after reading your hate-filled drivel? JumboWhales (talk) 08:23, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Maize Invented in Germany?

Weird even for Andy, he claims that when the Bible says "corn," it means maize and not just grain. Jesus ate corn on the cob and only atheists deny it. He claims modern research shows it was really Europeans who developed maize (presumably in time for the Last Supper). Of course he cites no such research. Does anyone have any idea what he's going on about? Whoover (talk) 18:47, 1 April 2023 (UTC)

From this source: In Old English, and actually maybe even current British English (you folks across the pond might know better :) ), the word "corn" apparently meant to "any grain with the seed still in it", akin to barleycornWikipedia (a grain of barley) or the Corn LawsWikipedia, which apply to all grain. Thus, the King James Bible translates the word "dagan" (דָּגָן), which is a generic word for grain in Hebrew, and other similar words into to the word "corn". Americans, of course, know corn specifically as maize and nothing else, so this will not appear in American English focused translations. So this is the Biblical source of the confusion.
Now, I have absolutely no idea where the fuck he's getting his Germany and Northern Europe idea from. Corn did not arrive into the "Old World" until the Columbian exchangeWikipedia, this is well documented, and I can't even Google any webshites promoting this "actually corn came from north Europe" view. So he either made this up, or there's some really obscure Youtuber / webshite / etc. spewing this shit with (if I had to guess, because what other reason makes sense?) some bizarre "ethnocentric" concerns at the forefront.BobJohnson (talk) 19:16, 1 April 2023 (UTC)
I would say that for many people in the UK corn is taken to mean wheat. What the US calls corn (maize) is called sweet corn here in the UK. Oldusgitus (talk) 09:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
And even if Andy's utter bollocks were true, how could it be "Biblical scientific foreknowledge"? Jesus eating maize 1,500 years before anyone else in the Old World had ever seen it, well, that would be a fucking miracle. But now Andy's making out that first century Jews eating maize required no "scientific foreknowledge" at all. Stupid cunt. Spud (talk) 10:34, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
And look at what Andy wrote for this revision, "Really?? Plant breeding by American Indians??" Racist cunt. Spud (talk) 14:46, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
The German thing might come from the whole Northern Renaissance / birth of capitalism / protestant work ethic mythos, the one that gave us white Jesus. London Grump OBE (talk) 16:27, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Yeah, possibly. It's essentially blatant racism and it means going over the insane factual errors in those two short paragraphs is pointless. BobJohnson (talk) 17:24, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
What does Andy show to his students during history lessons? This Columbus Day video from The Daily Wire? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:17, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
Perhaps a profound and motivated misunderstanding of which includes the finding that strains of maize introduced to Europe post-Columbus include two main types - a warm weather group in southern Europe and a cold-weather group in northern Europe - which have since hybridized/been selected more at their intersection in central Europe and produced new strains. "Independent introductions, hybridization and local selection have shaped new genetic groups specific to European maize. Hence, mid-latitude European materials are now sufficiently divergent from founder gene pools to appear as distinct genetic groups rather than hybrids in clustering analyses."
Or from here: "The rest of European material, spread mainly in central and northern Spain, France, and Italy, appeared as a distinct genetic cluster that does not have any counterpart in America. This material appeared as a single European Flint group for inbred lines and as two distinct Pyrenees–Galicia Flint and Italian Flint groups for landraces. This supports the hypothesis of Rebourg et al. (2003) that this material results from the hybridization of populations derived from Tropical and Northern Flint introductions in Europe. " So there's a whiff of truth in that there are European strains that cluster together more tightly to each other than they do to the American strains from which they are descended, but there's not a hint of a whiff of a rumor of a legend that there was any maize anywhere but in the Americas until after Columbus (and all the subsequent exchanges). Plus, ya know, the racism.--Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 00:37, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

And now his fever dream of sweet Jesus sweet corn gets its own article. Whoover (talk) 07:02, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

So because pigs today usually eat corn, that must mean the Prodigal Son in a 2,000 year old story wanted to eat corn when he said, "Give me what the pigs eat." Sod me! Andy really is a twat. Spud (talk) 08:18, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Andy doesn't read, does he? His newest Counterexample to Evolution cites a paper. The conclusion of the paper is

Based on our overall results, we propose the following inferences about maize domestication. First, selection was clearly focused on ear architecture since most of the traits that define ear architecture suffered a loss of heritable variation and ear morphology changed dramatically. Second, the difference in plant architecture is likely a consequence or correlated response to selection on ear architecture to create a less branched plant with fewer, larger ears. Third, because of favorable genetic correlations among most selection targets, ancient farmers had multiple options to select for what a maize ear would become. For instance, EL is positively correlated to GE in teosinte, so selection could have been applied to either trait or even both traits concurrently to speed up the process. Fortunately, the relative differences among plants for these traits are easily observable by eye and do not require modern tools for selection. Last, evolution can proceed despite substantial genetic constraint since selection can be applied on traits that pose the least constraint.

Andy's paraphrase of the conclusion: there is no plausible evolutionary path of development for corn. Whoover (talk) 02:57, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Selection bias...

...or that CP is in fact that moribound that there's been nothing worth mentioning since Feb? KarmaPolice (talk) 10:17, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

RationalWiki as a whole is now post-Conservapedia. Those few users who do know what's going on there can't be arsed to update the page. Maybe it's titme to mothball it. Spud (talk) 10:45, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
There's something to be said for that. Plus, I get the general impression that it's basically 'jumped the shark' in a negative way some time ago; ie it sucks, it is stupid and nobody is either surprised or cares anymore. KarmaPolice (talk) 18:55, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Moving this to NIGO

Given that the last time this was edited was in July, would anyone object to this being moved to NIGO-space? Carthage (talk) 20:38, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

I was actually going to suggest this this week. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 20:41, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
Please do. That's basically what I wanted back in May. Nobody here gives a shit about Conservapedia anymore. Spud (talk) 16:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
I edited the template. Tell me what you guys think. Also, should we rename it, like WIGOCZ?. GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 13:08, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
@GeeJayK That's the first time I've known you to make a mistake in your otherwise perfect English. The word is "discouraged". Anyway, I've fixed that. And yes, I couldn't agree with the sentiment of the template more. Spud (talk) 13:15, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Looks fine to me. Carthage (talk) 13:43, 7 November 2023 (UTC)