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Waiting for Andy to Die[edit]

Real nice Ken https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:SamHB&diff=next&oldid=1509674 — Unsigned, by: 91.207.175.101 / talk

I think that was a mistake. I don't think he meant to say, "the owner of Conservapedia". I think he meant to say, 'the owner of the Conservative account". So Ken isn't waiting for Andy to die. Ken is just waiting for Ken to die. Of course, it could have been a Freudian slip. Spud (talk)

Ooh Ken, That's Gotta Burn[edit]

Andy doesn't approve of you mentioning us on his blog. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 14:00, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

I’m a previous user of the User:Conservative Account. AMA[edit]

As above, I previously edited using the User:Conservative Account. My access was revoked when I had issues with the latest string of ad hominem articles, and because I wouldn’t get up at 3am to review and help edit them. -ConservativeEditor (talk) 16:39, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Prove it. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 16:51, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
User:Conservative (which redirects to User:Newton) is still a Sysop[1] and is not currently blocked.[2] Bongolian (talk) 16:57, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
[3]We need to be careful here because apparently there are "There are plenty of ethical and lawful methods resourceful people can make insure that there are consequences to ill behavior." Even if he had grounds, which he does not, taking action would mean that he would have to reveal himself to the "accused" which he is far to cowardly to do. It would also be a perversion of justice if he were to file such a report. Come on Ken, I dare you.--Mercian (talk) 17:02, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
He just deleted and burned the whole episode. A recap.

"There are certain individuals who have chosen to continue to engage in cyber harassment. Engaging in cyber harassment towards a resourceful person or persons is an unwise course of action. There are plenty of ethical and lawful methods resourceful people can make insure that there are consequences to ill behavior. You don't tug on Superman's cape. You don't spit into the wind. You don't pull the mask off that old Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with resourceful people! "

Resourceful? LondonGrump (talk) 19:25, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Here’s some more background. I was contacted in a Christian subreddit by another member to join a Discord server. The purpose was for editing / writing content for Conservapedia. I used to editing at a previous job and I had some free time (I work in consultancy and this was around the holidays so business was very slow). There were 6 of us, including the leader who just went by Conservative.
As I would later find out, apparently some time ago the other leaders at Conservapedia were extremely concerned about Conservatives editing habits, to the point that they were threatening to limit his time editing. He then decided to lie and say he was really multiple people, and recruited others through message boards, blogs and other areas to help write content.
Except we weren’t writing content. The idea was we were supposed to login at different times and copy/paste what he had written for us. We did do some copy editing, but I quickly found out that Conservative was very particular. One user pointed out that one article was exactly the same as a previous one, and she was banned, and her messages purged, along with all of us receiving a new password. The same thing happened to another user who pointed out an article didn’t make sense.
He also wanted us to post stuff all hours of the night, claiming that this would prove multiple people were editing and that it would make the site as a whole look more active. I helped when I could but Conservative was very perturbed I had to curb back once work picked back up.
I’ll be honest, I felt bad for the guy. You could tell that this was his entire livelihood and the only source of purpose he had in life. There definitely is something mentally wrong with him, and I hope he gets the help he needs.
The straw that broke the camels back was yesterday when one of the biggest and grandest achievements in Christian architecture was burning down, that he wanted us to post articles about a user here. I refused saying we should really work on improving the Notre Dame article, as it hadn’t been updated since 2016. And that ended in my block, and no more editing for me.
I do wish luck to the 2-3 people who were left. And Conservative, I hope you seek treatment soon. -ConservativeEditor (talk) 21:39, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
He's obviously not well and occasionally I feel bad about taunting him into displaying his worst habits but he's a guy that has no problem in linking atheism to necrophilia so he's fair game. How often did you speak with him? Ever by phone? Acei9 21:55, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
I don't believe you. How would you prove you were in touch with Ken or used that account? 2601:241:8E00:2F7D:45D0:D7F1:7B47:90AD (talk) 22:14, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
I didn’t take any screenshots because I didn’t join the account to do any ill will to Conservapedia. I do know that it was Conservative because the writing style is unmistakeable. I originally thought much of what was written here was slanderous, and there were some (now blocked) users who told him to ignore this site. He does think that his articles are doing irreparable harm to your website, mostly because he can post whatever he wants without getting in trouble, and we were always instructed to protect any article written immediately; Conservative (whom I’m guessing is Ken?) would immediately block and oversite any objections.
I do feel bad about the articles written about users here. We were under the impression that there was serious vandalism/harassment going on against Conservative, but it appears the opposite was true.
He did not provide me with a phone number, but he did in the past apparently. Talking with other previous users, he would text them or call them all hours of the night to post content, but then it ended abruptly, and his phone number started giving out of service bounce backs. -ConservativeEditor (talk) 23:55, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Did Ken ever tell you what his ultimate goal was? Acei9 02:09, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Conservative has a worldview that if one thing is wrong about a statement, the whole thing is wrong. For example, if I said “I saw a 737 fly over the airport”, and he finds out that it was really a 747, his thought process indicates I really never saw a plane or an airport. He does the same thing with atheism and critics of religion. If they say/do one thing that is wrong, he finds the smallest thing to find them wrong about. In fact he gave me a shoutout yesterday that he quickly deleted and now one on the main page that it’s atheists fault that Notre Dame burnt down, to excuse the fact he was more concerned in writing libelous essays about members here then Notre Dame burning. He thinks if he lets any statement you put out stand, that he’s lost the somehow, so he needs to have the last word. -ConservativeEditor (talk) 14:52, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm still calling bullshit on this. It's funny how one of Ken's minions magically appears just as Ken is making vague noises about cyber harassment. It's funny that they all write in exactly the same style as Ken, and even eschew the use of the preview button when editing. Provide us with a copy of checkuser, showing Conservative's account posting from all over, or even better, tell us which name you used to post to the secret sysop groups (because Ken used several) or fuck off. This is probably nobs thinking he's being a soopah seekrit cointel. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 11:16, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
either way its pitiful - a lone loon babbling on cp or a group of people to achieve fuck all. AMassiveGay (talk) 11:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
An explanation has been given as to why they all write exactly the same as Ken. It's because Ken gave them the text and just told them to put it on Conservapedia. All of the writing was done by Ken. But I also find ConservativeEditor's claims to be highly unlikely. It would mean that Ken was bossing other people about and ordering them to post on Conservapedia in the middle of the night. Why would they follow the little shit's orders? What incentive would they have? Spud (talk) 12:17, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Not just that, but given how Andy has locked down sysop rights over the past few years, I'm sure news that Ken has been been letting random people, selected by him, log on to CP as sysops, will go down like a lead balloon. If it's true. Which it's clearly not.
As for incentive, maybe they get a mention in Question Evolution. Or Ken lets them out of his cellar for a bit. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 12:39, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

That ain't Ken. It ain't his writing style. It could be a wind up but it could, genuinely, be one of his "useful idiots", motivated by the idea of being a Christian Soldier. I opt for the latter. LondonGrump (talk) 14:50, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Tiger Woods[edit]

I wonder if Tiger Woods will still be considered an overrated sports star now that the Blessed Leader plans to award him the Presidential Medal of Freedom? MDB (the MD used to be for Maryland, but now means Magically Deliciousthe B is still for Bear) 14:41, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Tiger Woods is conservative. Has always been conservative. We have always been at war with East Asia--"Shut up, Brx." 01:31, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

You know what, though, Ken?[edit]

Whachu tawkin bout? Conservapedia has "0 mental health problems by its contributors."

[4] Most of us just check in here once in a blue moon. You obsess over us, hours on end, every day. It's sad. Really. I feel bad for you. This is your life? Get help, Ken --"Shut up, Brx." 18:37, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

On the other hand, you're on rationalwiki using it as a place to reply to him on that site. I know the urge to defend yourself is real, but it's not exactly a good sign that you're doing it. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:47, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Yeah... the Ken to brx ratio is astronomical. I'm not ashamed to occasionally pop in and mock him/express concern about his mental health. --"Shut up, Brx." 06:24, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I just finished skimming over Ken's... Missive? Screed? Literary vomit? He truly has mastered the art of saying almost nothing in as many words as possible. The general gist (as far as I understand it) is that his personal worldview is good, and all other worldviews are bad. Which is basically what he's been blathering on about for years now in highly obsessive and repeatitive manner was definitely worth the time it took to read his flaming dumpster fire insights. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 19:58, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

This
2007 source suggests
that Ken was 45 then.
That makes him
57
in 2019.

I check in here a few times everyday, but I`m only in high school so I have an excuse. Ken, a full grown adult who's presumably at least in his 30's by now? Not so much. Oxyaena Harass 20:03, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
I believe Ken is in his 40's actually. Anyway - all it took was a couple of comments from me and he has been going for nearly 5 days. Get help Ken, get outside and make some friends. Acei9 20:13, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
I'm seriously considering making a CP account in order to try to talk the Ken. I mean, I detest the man, but I'm also genuinely worried about his mental health right now. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:16, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Fuck him. He's a shit of the highest stripe and deserves every bad thing that happens to him. --MtDBogan 20:18, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
You can’t talk to him there, he’ll just block and oversight anything and he is too much of a weakling to come here. He does have an account here but you can only talk to him secondhanded here. Acei9 20:22, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
What happened to Schlafly? Has he gone the way of his evil old slag of a mother? --MtDBogan 20:25, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Andy is also a weakling - he is too weak to reign Ken in despite having feces smeared all over his Wiki. Acei9 20:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
Now there's an image to keep a young bloke warm at night. --MtDBogan 20:36, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
He is worse than Ken, do not be fooled my his upper-middle class polite persona. This is the man who supports the stoning of homosexuals after all. I honestly believe Ken means no real harm to anyone. Andy however is a thoroughly nasty piece of work.--Mercian (talk) 20:38, 17 April 2019 (UTC)
[5]Nice quote mine Ken, conveniently omitting the part about supporting stoning.--Mercian (talk) 22:39, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, Ken. I know nothing of machismo because unlike you I don't sit editing a website for 15 hours straight, often all night. Because my nights consist of either meeting friends, enjoying a walk on the beach with my lovely girlfriend or taking my daughter to the movies I'm just a limp-wristed girly-boy. Unlike the manly John Wayne who used spend all his time in front of a computer too afraid to engage with anyone and making thousands and thousands of edits to a website. Machismo indeed.....Acei9 00:44, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Only Ken is brave and manly enough to lead the ascetic lifestyle of staring at a computer screen at all hours of the day, eschewing all relationships and effectively forsaking women. Question: is he on welfare? Does his family support him?--"Shut up, Brx." 06:16, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
I don’t think anyone needs to know that much detail about his life except for the fact he probably doesn’t have much in the way of a social life nor does it appear he has a significant other. I appears he is very isolated and probably somewhat mentally impaired. He could probably use a few days, weeks, away from CP and out in the sun with other humans. To be honest I think it speaks volumes about Andy and the other sysops that they let an obviously unwell guy off the chain like they have. On RW I’m sure someone would have cared a little more and been more concerned. Acei9 07:17, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
And now Ken is on Sabbatical. Ken, make it a long one. Get outside and enjoy the spring air. Meet a girl and treat her right. Life will be better if you do. Acei9 09:53, 18 April 2019 (UTC)
We should feel good about ourselves. We encouraged him to do something healthy--"Shut up, Brx." 16:06, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Attention, Ken[edit]

I accept your challenge. First and foremost, fertility rates don't have anything to do with religion per se, choosing one's religion or lack thereof is a choice, a personal one, and while what religion your parents were is an important factor in determining the religion you grow up with and might ultimately believe in, it is not the only, or even the foremost, one. Other factors like education, personal interest, disillusionment with the status quo, and others affect one's personal belief system. Now we move on to my second and last point, if atheist fertility rates are decreasing as you imply, how come more Americans are now irreligious than ever before in history? Fully a quarter of Americans identify as being of "no religion," the so-called "nones," and this is only expected to increase in the following decades. Why is that? Could it be the will of God? Could the atheist-agnostic wager be true, rather than Pascal's Wager? Maybe... Oxyaena Harass 21:41, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

Leave him alone, he's on sabbatical. It's good for his health. This guy edits Conservapedia 20 hours a day seven days a week. Don't goad him back to staring at the screen, be compassionate. He isn't a monkey dancing for our entertainment, you know?--"Shut up, Brx." 00:25, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
That’s where you’re wrong. If he can give it, he can take it. Acei9 01:12, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
What makes you think he isn't still staring at the screen, drafting stuff and not posting it so he can feel even more like Sun Tzu? LondonGrump (talk) 07:34, 20 April 2019 (UTC)
Ken, instead of back and forwarding why don't you either A) use your account here and have a proper discussion or B) Let Oxyaena (or myself) debate you on CP. Why are you so afraid? Acei9 22:50, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── My response to Ken's latest tirade. Oxyaena Harass 23:52, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

The fall of humanity in the end of days is actually Biblical... 2601:700:8002:8AB5:1AC:A152:50C:9BD8 (talk) 01:57, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
You're arguing with Rainman about his driving skills. What's the point? Whoover (talk) 01:06, 21 April 2019 (UTC)
@Whoover Mostly for my own personal amusement, I know nothing productive will come out of this. Oxyaena Harass 02:04, 22 April 2019 (UTC)
I gotta say, oxy, you really got under their skin. That is some quality bellyfeel duckspeak they coughed up. 1000 points to Gryffindor. Semipenultimate (talk) 14:50, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
@Semipenultimate Ken called it quits only a few days after he issued his challenge, unlike with Ace. Yeah, I definitely pissed him off. Thanks for the compliment btw. Oxyaena Harass 08:53, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Any Andy Whisperers?[edit]

I can't make hide nor hair of While liberal denial insists that mass killings cannot be explained, the New York Post reports that the city worker who murdered 12 in Virginia Beach was facing discipline for recent violence with co-workers.

If I had to take a wild guess, I'd say the guy was nuts. Is that liberal denial? Of what? Is a sudden behavioral change not a symptom of mental illness, but a liberal excuse for the real explanation? Not enough prayer? What? No matter how many times I read this, I can't fathom it. I mean it's not even not even wrong? Whoover (talk) 23:39, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Calling it mental illness is an insult to people with actual mental illness. Call it what it is, political bias. Oxyaena Harass 01:10, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
I guess by "cannot be explained" he maybe means "can only be explained by mentioning high gun ownership, which is not a valid explanation because guns=good". Why am I wasting time thinking about this? --Annanoon (talk) 09:37, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Ken's latest 'essay'[edit]

Hilarious for all the wrong reasons. First the guy who monitors and creates articles about RW says "Conservapedians largely and rightfully ignore." Rationalwiki followed by Alexa links which show RW to not only be more popular than CP but also drives most of CP's traffic. Ken, you have lost every debate you have ever engaged RW in. That's a pure fact. Acei9 01:48, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

LOL. What a sad, sad little world Ken lives in. Oxyaena Harass 09:13, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
I am disappointed, after starving him of the attention he so craves for almost two months RW reacts to him. He will now be reading this page whilst playing with his private parts and shouting "Geronimo"!. --Mercian (talk) 12:11, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Hey, who here said Ken has a life? Oxyaena Harass 12:16, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
It's atheists and liberals who do not have a life. It's atheists and liberals who are the champions of hate speech, misogyny and Islamophobia. (Calling for gays to be stoned, Muslims to be kicked out of The USA and The Levant and women to be denied the same rights and privileges as men are all good wholesome conservative values and religious freedoms) so perhaps we should follow his guidance.--Mercian (talk) 12:44, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
No doubt about it. Conservapedia is a marvelously serious website. That's why it definitely doesn't have a page full of hundreds of flying kitty pictures. And Christians never resort to mockery when addressing the subject of atheism. That's why Ken definitely hasn't spent the best part of the last decade trying to write funny articles about how all atheists are fat ugly weirdos. The whole page made me "horse laugh" out loud. Spud (talk) 12:50, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Isn't it funny how the 9th Commandment is the one fundies most often ignore? Oxyaena Harass 13:03, 13 June 2019 (UTC)
Actual question: what is that 'traffic sources' Alexa analysis that Ken us referring to supposed to mean? Using Ken's link for the Conservapedia analysis page, we see "Percentage overall site traffic from each channel" with several websites listed with '% search' in the 55-80% range. Obviously this is not percentage of Conservapedia site traffic from each channel, because just the listed percentages add up to something like 300%. Is it supposed to mean that, say, 60% of people who have viewed civiced.org have also viewed Conservapedia? But then Conservapedia itself is only listed at 55.8%. What is this actually measuring? It's expressed as a percentage, so what would the other 40% of the civiced.org line be? --Martin Arrowsmith (talk) 13:17, 16 June 2019 (UTC)

June?[edit]

There's no entry for June yet. How about the Morning Line added to cp:United_States_presidential_election,_2020? nobsI'm all yea'res 15:32, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

JFC you are deranged. You have a problem with using their official photo's? Also nice to see you continue the same bullshit mudslinging for Hillary Clinton, who is both a mentally challenged, and the head of a sinister cabal. Did you even bother reading the Mueller report? Your understanding of it doesn't seem to go beyond the Faux News spin. I wonder how you feel about Justin Amash being the first of the GOP to actually grow a spine. -RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Mueller interfered in the 2018 Midterms, obstructed Congressional investigations, to throw the House for the Democrats. Mueller is a threat to American democracy and a traitor and part of the cover-up. All this will come out. nobsI'm all yea'res 23:46, 14 June 2019 (UTC)
Yeah because not like the current president said he’d collude with foreign power to throw an election his way while getting cosy with despots the world over, believing them over his own administration while lying with every breath. Oh wait, that’s exactly what’s happening. Rob, you are fucking deluded. Acei9 00:29, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Mueller had a legal mandate to investigate a possible security breach. Trump interfered with and obstructed a federal investigation which had the backing of the DOJ. Rob, you're full of shit. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 01:45, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Criminality aside even Fox News cut away from him when he started babbling incoherently about tractors needing to be hooked up to the internet. Acei9 03:03, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
@RipCityLiberal You're surprised that Nobs is deranged? LOL. Oxyaena Harass 07:26, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
I guess I hadn't really understood the lengths they would go, to deny what's literally happening in front of their face.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 12:53, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Nobs is someone who literally believes there's commies in his closet. You should read the article on him. Oxyaena Harass 13:07, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Hey, go easy on Rob. He is not a walking example of Dunning - Kruger who is in bed with fascists, any more than Jerome Corsi. He is the author of groundbreaking and definitive research on the work of the Deep State. LondonGrump (talk) 16:53, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
ahhh, it's just professional envy cause my 2020 presidential election article excells in a wp:genre rationalwiki, Loren MichaelsWikipedia's W.svg and Al Franken only dream of while being informative at the same time. nobsI'm all yea'res 18:16, 15 June 2019 (UTC)
Excells indeed, dear, excells indeed. LondonGrump (talk) 01:18, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
Nobs, you are the maestro, keep up the good work. Oxyaena Harass 11:24, 16 June 2019 (UTC)
I'm sure if DJT literally murdered a child on live television, Rob would find a way to blame Bob Mueller. -RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:33, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Ken spent June 12-16 writing an essay about an unnamed website. Does anyone here honestly believe that the reading public (particularly those that only read the blurb on the Main Page of Conservapedia) will understand which website he is discussing? Is it Alexa? Hclodge (talk) 00:46, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

How many people genuinely read Conservapedia anymore anyways? RW is far more popular now than CP will ever be. Oxyaena Harass 00:47, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
But look at the search terms in Ken's Alexa analysis page: "enclosure movement" and "weasel zippers"! Hclodge (talk) 00:52, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Surely such high traffic results! Oxyaena Harass 01:34, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

How active...[edit]

...is Andy nowadays? Whenever I look at the CP recent changes log (which is only occasionally, I have a life and all), I see Morris, Nobs, Ken, Karajou, 90's Guy etc but never Andy himself. Why is that? Oxyaena Harass 02:11, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Administrative duties. He pops in occasionally to give editorial guidance. nobsI'm all yea'res 02:21, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
What about the homeschooling aspect? Surely he's gotta have his hands tied "teaching." Oxyaena Harass 02:36, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
editorial guidance? You mean like how everything on CP now contravenes his own CP 10 commandments. And how the all the articles titled "Liberal(ism) and (insert pejorative)" can now be equally applied to all the actions of his users. Guidance indeed. Acei9 06:06, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Conservapedia has fallen from grace for sure. Oxyaena Harass 12:39, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
Much of the liberalism articles eventually need revision, being that liberals now are either extinct, forging alliances with conservatives, or defecting to the Republican party with the communist takeover of the Democratic Socialist party. Only among Republicans is there hope of keeping the two-party system alive. nobsI'm all yea'res 05:18, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
You know those so-called "commies" make up a plurality of Americans today, right? Oxyaena Harass 09:33, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Two is a plurality in a nation of 300 million individuals. nobsI'm all yea'res 16:25, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Sound logic as always, Nobs. Oxyaena Harass 17:20, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
And two constitutes a conspiracy. nobsI'm all yea'res 17:25, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
Your logic is impeccable, Nobs. Oxyaena Harass 04:25, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Fascist liberal Democrat totalitarian communist? You do know that fascist/communist and liberal/totalitarian are polar opposites right? Then again, according to you real fascists, Pinochet for example, are good wholesome conservatives.--Mercian (talk) 22:52, 8 July 2019 (UTC)
Back in the day maybe, but we've progressed now. We're more enlightened. We've grown and evolved. We're woke. nobsI'm all yea'res 00:46, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Nobs, your insight is unmatched by anyone except the great Donfather himself. Keep up the great work, Oxyaena Harass 01:32, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Go easy on Rob. He's a world class researcher and commentator who is so cutting edge that he can define whatever he wants. We can only watch from far behind in awe. LondonGrump (talk) 11:09, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

You guys are a just a bunch a science deniers. I bet you deny the scientific fact that not paying slave reparations, a UBI, and Medicare for Illegal Aliens to Have Free Sex Change Operations in the United States causes carbon emissions and we only have 10 years to fix it. nobsI'm all yea'res 13:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Is this an obscure reference to time cube?Hubert (talk) 14:58, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Stick to cutting edge analysis, Rob. LondonGrump (talk) 17:31, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Look, if a Boco Haram terrorist in Cameroon wants to cross over into the United States illegally and have American taxpayers pay for his sex change operation, by god he has a human right to do it. Only fascists and white supremacists who deserve to be silenced, shot, and censored would object. nobsI'm all yea'res 18:05, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
Sounds like someone is trying to poison the well here.... Oxyaena Harass 19:37, 9 July 2019 (UTC)
I think he's been triggered. LondonGrump (talk) 21:40, 9 July 2019 (UTC)

Atheism and motivation.[edit]

To illustrate his point that religious people are more motivated than atheists Ken links to a story that mentions nothing about religion but outlines the achievements of people Conservapedia considers heathen atheists and liberals.[6]--Mercian (talk) 15:25, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

As an added bonus, the link is actually a non-article plugging a vacuous low effort book. 2A02:C7D:1635:5C00:9E2:3B47:D026:B241 (talk) 17:29, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

An obsession with Stalin and portraying those you hate as rats/vermin[edit]

The eternal atheist.--Notaxmar (talk) 13:24, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

Thank you for this statement that is impossible to understand without context. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 14:59, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
Also 45 loves doing this to black people. Maybe Stalin and Trump were actually both racist?--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:55, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
They both of them believe(d) that they were the highest and only authority anywhere in the universe, all others be damned. They have one need, and that is 'more'. Be wary of people who name things for themselves. Semipenultimate (talk) 21:04, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Never Saw That Coming[edit]

Trump fan leaves racist manifesto before slaughtering at least 18. Andy says it's the video games. Whoover (talk) 23:19, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

You read the manifesto? It hardly looks like the work of a 21 year old.
It says for instance:
  • "The inconvenient truth is that our leaders, both Democrat AND Republican, have been failing us for decades. They are either complacent or involved in one of the biggest betrayals of the American public in our history. The takeover of the United States government by unchecked corporations.
  • "Achieving ambitious social projects like universal healthcare and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed.
  • "immigration will make one of the biggest issues of our time, automation, so much worse. Some sources say that in under two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to it.
  • "our lifestyle Is destroying the environment of our country. The decimation of the environment is creating a massive burden for future generations. Corporations are heading the destruction of our environment by shamelessly overharvesting resources.
  • "I know that the media will probably call me a white supremacist anyway and blame Trump’s rhetoric. The media is infamous for fake news. Their reaction to this attack will likely just confirm that.
Yah, a real Trump supporter, huh? Sounds more like an Andrew Yang clone and a victim of public education. nobsI'm all yea'res
A 21 year old white male targeting immigrants of Hispanic origin. Exactly Trump type policies except he used guns instead of concentration camps. I know you and your ilk NEVER take responsibility when one of your own commits an atrocity, or in fact anything. When Trump makes a racist/homophobic remark etc he cries all over Twitter blaming the victim, exactly like you, Andy, Ken and Co do on Conservapedia.--Mercian (talk) 15:15, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Bullshit. He's an anti-corporate zero sum environmentalist. He writes
  • "Consumer culture is creating thousands of tons of unnecessary plastic waste."
Trump just raised $500,000 for re-election selling plastic straws.
He also writes, "the idea of deporting or murdering all non-white Americans is horrific. Many have been here at least as long as the whites, and have done as much to build our country. The best solution to this for now would be to divide America into a confederacy of territories with at least one territory for each race."
Hmmm. Segregation and confederacy. It reeks of Democrat. nobsI'm all yea'res 15:55, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
And if Bernie Sanders has his way, he still gets to vote. We should ask him who he likes. It sure sounds like Andrew Yang. nobsI'm all yea'res 16:02, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
Sources or it's bull. (Even with sources it's probably bull.) ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:13, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
We have conflicting reports at this time whether the manifesto is genuine, but hey, who you gonna believe? Most MSM reports on the manifesto are already fake news. nobsI'm all yea'res 18:19, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
I believe you and your superior insight. If you have a different definition of right wing from the rest of the world, you must be right and they must be wrong. LondonGrump (talk) 07:14, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
Engaging rob on anything is a fools errand. He is incapable of staying on topic and is immune to reason. Even Ken doesn’t put up with Robs gibberish. On the CP totem pole Rob is at the bottom. Losing to Ken is rock bottom and Rob has lost to him several times. Robs an idiot. Acei9 08:20, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
You have to remember - Nobs sees the standard of writing on CP as the norm. Anything that is coherent couldn't possibly be written by a young adult. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 18:18, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
On second review, his comments on UBI, universal healthcare, and educational assistance are consistent with the target market of voting age idiots that Andrew Yang and Elizabeth Warren tailor their messages to. nobsI'm all yea'res 18:38, 5 August 2019 (UTC)
JFC you're so fucking wrong. Like painfully wrong.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:58, 5 August 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── The El Paso manifesto appears to support socialism and opposes even legal immigration. This is classic national socialism.

  • "immigration [note it reads "immigration", not "illegal immigration"] will make one of the biggest issues of our time, automation, so much worse. Some sources say that in under two decades, half of American jobs will be lost to it."
  • "Even though new migrants do the dirty work, their kids typically don’t. They want to live the American Dream which is why they get college degrees and fill higher-paying skilled positions." [Again, no reference to illegal immigration].
  • "To compete, people have to get better credentials by spending more time in college. It used to be that a high school degree was worth something. Now a bachelor’s degree Is what’s recommended to be competitive in the job market. The cost of college degrees has exploded as their value has plummeted. This has led to a generation of indebted, overqualified students filling menial, low-paying, and unfulfilling jobs. Of course these migrants and their children have contributed to the problem, but are not the sole cause of it." [Again, no reference to illegal immigration, and legal immigration is not the focus of his main gripe, which is the cost of education and inability to find meaningful employment].

In both contexts the manifesto author makes clear automation, "one of the biggest issues of our time", student debt, and underemployment are of bigger concern to him, in which he claims legal immigration is a peripheral or contributing factor. nobsI'm all yea'res 00:33, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

Yup. Straight out of the Communist Manifesto, just like the rest of everything National Socialists believe. A+ for insight Rob. LondonGrump (talk) 07:44, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Are you really that stupid? I know you aren't, so this is obviously some mental gymnastics in your brain that I'm quite sure is very painful. National Socialism and classic Socialism are not the same fucking thing. There is nothing in this fucks screed that is concerned about any of the main talking points of socialism. Everything is about fear of the other, loss of culture, and justification of violence, the standard of white supremacy.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:05, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Do not get angry at Knobs, just laugh at him. He is after all the only person in the world that sucks up to Ken. How does it feel to be Ken's bitch Knobs?--Mercian (talk) 17:52, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Just like all the other dipshits with more than two working brain cells, Rob is trying to justify this crap to himself. He's trying to tell himself "Nah, I'd never lose my mind and kill innocent people. I'm better than that." The truth is, he isn't. None of them are. They stand by and let people die, and afterwords spout vapid platitudes and excuses. All of the deaths from mass shootings are the fault of every single person who opposed even the idea of gun control. Those deaths, that blood, and that pain is on you Rob. You don't get to blame us. You lost that right a long time ago. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:00, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Like Ken, he believes he is a special forces commando on the front line of the culture wars. Humour him. Throw him some nuts. Whatever. Don't bother to engage in serious debate because it will inevitably go over his head and you'll end up crawling into the gutter to get to his level. LondonGrump (talk) 18:50, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

cp:UBI for a white bred punk (which even legal immigrants are hampering) = national socialism. nobsI'm all yea'res 19:54, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

White Supremacy doesn't give a shit about the social safety net as long as white identity and white power is maintained. The politics is not the threat, the ideology is.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:52, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Nobody disagrees with that. If you are going to use the El Paso shooter's manifestio to call him a white supremacist, you can't deny he said "America will have to initiate a basic universal income to prevent widespread poverty and civil unrest as people lose their jobs. Joblessness in itself is a source of civil unrest. The less dependents on a government welfare system, the better. The lower the unemployment rate, the better. Achieving ambitious social projects like universal healthcare and UBI would become far more likely to succeed if tens of millions of dependents are removed."
He's not even railing against immigrants here. He says "dependents." Look at the logic of his argument: "dependents" are making it difficult for more Americans to become dependent on UBI. nobsI'm all yea'res 22:06, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
But he is railing against immigrants because he blames them for needing to do that. His argument is, If we don't kill all the Mexicans, then we'll have to create a social nanny state to keep them in check". Seriously, how is your reading comprehension this bad.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:59, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Bingo. He was a white supremacist who believed by his white privilege and was entitled to a universal basic income ("basic universal income" in his words). Evidently he doesn't understand what the word "universal" means. Now, are you ready to see that the rightwing does not have a monopoly on racism and white supremacy? nobsI'm all yea'res 23:10, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
JFC, his screed says the government would need to create a nanny state because of the immigrants in America. He literally wrote, and you quoted "The less dependents on a government welfare system, the better." He doesn't support that as a response, he is against it. His motivation is to kill POC because he doesn't want that. Read better.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:36, 6 August 2019 (UTC)
Gotta spin to win, eh Rob? Else the cognitive dissonance'll wear off and you'll realize how much of a shit you really are... ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 23:45, 6 August 2019 (UTC)

News on Conservapedia[edit]

Consists of Conservative writing an essay and deciding it is newsworthy. Like his hero Trump he is nothing but a deceitful narcisicistic attention whore.--Notaxmar (talk) 11:02, 20 August 2019 (UTC)

No Atheists in turbulent planes[edit]

Ken’s latest gibberish. Ken I fly all the time and have had some harrowing flights but never plead to god to save me. Acei9 00:01, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Flying over The Andes into Ecuador was terrifying but no prayers from me. Acei9 00:02, 27 August 2019 (UTC)
This is the man who celebrates the murder of 8 year girls and whose boss thinks that Britain is a savage state because someone threw a milkshake at a selfish right winger where Brunei is a fantastic place because they passed a law allowing homosexuals to be stoned to death. He later changed his view because Brunei caved to the homosexual agenda and stopped this "conservative" law. Ken is a cunt, Andy is a bigger one. Anything either of these keyboard warriors types can be dismissed as bigotry/hatred/whatever.--Mercian (talk) 12:56, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the shout-out Ken. Next week I am flying to Melbourne, then Tahiti and taking several internal Tahiti flights. All will be turbulent. I’ll have no need for prayer. Acei9 00:11, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Oh and Ken, I have no need for Hispanic ladies - I’ve already got a slim, long haired atheist girlfriend. Acei9 00:30, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Am I the only one struck by the irony of Ken finding his muse in Fear of Flying? Whoover (talk) 22:09, 1 September 2019 (UTC)
I like these articles, I have a few suggestions for more
  • There are no atheists at a KKK rally.
  • There are no atheist RC priests found guilty of paedophilia.
  • There are no atheists in The Westboro Baptist Church.
  • There are no atheist soldiers in The Army Of God, Al Qaeda, The Taliban, Boko Haram or ISIS.
  • There are no recent atheist suicide bombers. (I am sure Ken can trawl the web and find one amongst the hundreds that have happened.)

--Mercian (talk) 20:17, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

Connor Betts, the Dayton shooter, was a confirmed atheist on a suicide mission. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 23:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
What part of the phrase "suicide bomber" confuses you Rob? LondonGrump (talk) 05:38, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Well, we don't know the religious views of the Antifa suicide bomber Willem van Spronsen, but it's probably not tpo hard to find out. He clearly was a Marxist, and it is not uncommon for white Marxists to hide their hostility toward God and religion so as not to offend their black comrades. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 08:47, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
There were many thousands of religious suicide bombers and the best you can do is find one who might be. Surely you can do better than that? Perhaps not.--Mercian (talk) 17:18, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Considering this so-called "suicide bomber" was attacking a place that is known for its cruelty and illegal activities, I don't get your point. It's irrelevant. Oxyaena Harass 18:25, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Owww...Now we've become apologists for terrorists, have we? Here's censored video of your terrorist-hero self immolating himself. Thank God and his son Jesus Christ none of the 1700 children housed there were injured. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 20:05, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Self-immolation is a legitimate form of protest, terrorist he was not. Oxyaena Harass 15:12, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
He was clearly a Marxist, obviously. It makes sense now. But was he a Marxist like Ho Chi Minh or a Marxist like the Jewish Wall Street Cabal you keep telling us about Rob? LondonGrump (talk) 20:59, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
What Jewish Wall Street cabal? Jared Kushner is a real estate investor, not a Wall Street investor. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 21:42, 3 September 2019 (UTC)
Ah, the Johnson/Farage strategy. Well played, Sir. We have always been at war with Eurasia. LondonGrump (talk) 11:32, 4 September 2019 (UTC)
Since when is self-immolation terrorism? There is a a history of the act as a protest. It brought down the royal family in Tunisia.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:11, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

CP Donate Button?[edit]

How long has CP had a “Donate”:button?

Is it something relatively new, presumably added since they were kicked off the Eagle Forum gravy train? Or has it been there for ages and I’ve just no noticed it? MDB (the MD used to be for Maryland, but now means Magically Deliciousthe B is still for Bear) 19:19, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Nothing screams "libertarian wonderland" like scrounging off people for funds to keep going. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 10:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
I seem to remember them being very snide about Wikipedia 'begging'. AMassiveGay (talk) 11:50, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
The donate button is a fairly recent addition. But it has been there for over a year now. I see that it's just over two years since Phyllis Schlafly died. I think it was added a few months after that. And since they go that far to beg for money, why don't they go the whole hog and have a donation drive? Come on, Conservapedia! Show us stingy godless liberals just how generous conservative Christians are by meeting and surpassing your target in 24 hours! Spud (talk) 12:02, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
It seems to have been there since around October 2015.CPWatcher (talk) 11:25, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Ken's latest[edit]

Atheists can't make tasty food. And if Ken thinks Scandinavians have bland food, he's clearly never had Surströmming. Countdown to Dear Gentlemen shoutout in 3... 2... dance for us, Ken! RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 18:49, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Tasty is not an adjective I associate with surstromming. Or hakarl. LondonGrump (talk) 08:36, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Over 1000 edits in 48 hours all basically with the same message. According to CP "A high word-to-substance ratio, as in using many words to say little of substance" is an example of liberal style. Then again so is "A never-ending craving for attention" and "Pretending to know more than one does" Guess that makes Ken a liberal.--Mercian (talk) 21:42, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Ouch. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 00:08, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
I'd almost feel sorry for Ken, if he wasn't such an awful human being - all these thousands of edits and hours (including how many marathon editing sessions) since what, 2004? And nothing to show for it, except random entries on a blog that even die-hard conservatives ignore. Trump was at Andy's mum's funeral, and Andy couldn't flatter Trump into saying something nice about CP (the encyclopedia, not what Trump & Epstein got up to). Ed Poor and Jpatt have at least moved on, while Ken has been left to gibber about atheists and homosexuals. We're still waiting for Operation Flying Fortress and Question Evolution, Ken - will those ever see the light of day, outside of your mind? RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 11:48, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Ken has clearly never eaten my cooking. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 12:49, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
Question Evolution was a real thing that Ken didn't create. I think it was basically just a poster campaign, with posters of chimpanzees and the words "Question Evolution" on them put up at busy intersections, that probably came to a natural end after they ran out of posters. Granted, Ken's grandiose ideas about how he would help Question Evolution take on the world and win only ever existed in his imagination. And that includes the 15-page book for middle-school students that never got published. Spud (talk) 13:15, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
At least he’s stopped going on about his annual dance with a long-haired creationist, even if we never did find out what his name is.

atheists need our bland and tasteless food to combat our obesity AMassiveGay (talk) 20:24, 13 September 2019 (UTC) ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────KEN! KEN! Do you think there's a correlation between not being able to make tasty food, and not being a pedophile? Because boy, you tasty food lovin' Christians and Republicans can't seem to keep your dicks out of children and unwilling women. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 12:49, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Given the 'donate' button mentioned above surely a 'Tasty (not tasteful) Conservapedia cookbook' would solve both issues? (Recipe suggestions anyone?) Anna Livia (talk) 16:59, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Hello Ken[edit]

You know I just enjoy making you dance so dance. I’m sitting beachside in Tahiti watching my slim, long haired atheist girlfriend swim while I neck beers and smoke cigarettes. The flight over here was god awful - half cut from a ill advised cocaine binge the night before. It was a hairy flight but not once did I require the services of your imaginary friend. Where’s the booklet Ken? Have you found someone to translate “noted” Swedish geneticist Neilson yet? Ho ho ho... I’ll have a hit of tequila for you. Acei9 00:10, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

What's Ken going to get from this? That he's wrong and you live a fucking amazing life? Or that you think about him while you're on holiday so he should keep up the fight? LondonGrump (talk) 09:47, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
my life is many things but amazing it is not. Acei9 23:13, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Ace, you don't feel any guilt for massive carbon emissions so you can sip Margaritas in the sunshine? What about our children? Oh, I forgot, we can always abort them. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 19:54, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
Well that's just the worst fucking argument ever.--RipCityLiberal (talk) 17:00, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
We all know Boomers give zero fucks about the future of humanity. Oxyaena Harass 17:14, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Rob, you got kids? LondonGrump (talk) 12:14, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
Two that I know of. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 15:01, 18 September
Same here, but with more certainty! LondonGrump (talk) 18:48, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
My youngest has a degree in environmental science or climate science or some shit; when I first read it, it said "econonomics" and I was so proud; then she changed it or it was a typo to "ecology" and I said "Oh shit. These kids these days...whatayagonna do? nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 21:10, 18 September 2019 (UTC)
What? You mean you didn't beat her until she saw the error of her ways, or marry her off, so she could have children instead of an education? So much for conservative values these days. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 08:56, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
My oldest didn't go to uni and he's doing very well in sales. 22, drives a very nice car and almost has the deposit for his own place in London. Don't know where he gets such conservative bullshit values from. It ain't his mum - my ex - because she's a grade A hippy. LondonGrump (talk) 18:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
My oldest is mom with three kids; my youngest (they're 17 years apart), well that's another story. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 11:16, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
I never would have thought of you as Gran'pa Rob. LondonGrump (talk) 05:55, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
My contribution to humanity. They all got the gene that combines staggering intellect with a tinge of rebelliousness by heredity. nobsDie fascists! Make America Great! 19:55, 24 September 2019 (UTC)
Clearly that's from you wife's side. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 10:24, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
Well, that went the other way. I set the joke up to read "staggering intellect" like "staggering drunk," but, you know.... I'm playing a tough room. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 01:12, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

I’ve been reading The Testaments[edit]

That is, the sequel to the original The Handmaid’s Tale novel.

In it, the Aunts (short version: women with power and authority in a society that viciously oppresses women) dine at the Schlafly Café. Phyllis would be proud.MDB (the MD used to be for Maryland, but now means Magically Deliciousthe B is still for Bear) 12:39, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Area 500[edit]

What's going on with CP? About 9 in 10 hits are 500s. Did Ken screw up the database burning something? Whoover (talk) 21:53, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

Also, why is he posting under the tag "Wikignome72"? If he thinks this is some Sun Tzu style deception he is failing miserably.--Mercian (talk) 16:46, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Religion in NZ - A follow-up for Ken[edit]

Ken, earlier this year you made a lot of noise about how Christianity in NZ was going to grow because of some weird theory you had about migrants. Well, the latest Census data is out and it doesn't appear that your prediction will come to pass. Sorry - "no religion" has officially surpassed Christianity. Acei9 02:46, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Ken, now you are spouting the same nonsense all over again which you did before these results came out. Christianity has been dying in NZ consistently for 50 years. Now "no religion" outranks Christianity - jumping up by nearly 10% in 5 years. You lost and keep losing. Acei9 10:35, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
You say I don't see the growth of evangelical/conservative Christianity in NZ slowing anytime soon. What growth? It has clearly and unambiguously been shrinking consistently. It hasn't grown at all. Acei9 10:38, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Yes, but if you would simply ignore all of that aggregate national nonsense and focus on a poll of twenty people from Taupo showing a 5% increase in attendance at one Anglican church on the third Sunday in July and just draw vast conclusions based on that single item you can show that New Zealand will be, carry the six, 115% Christian by the end of the year. Semipenultimate (talk) 14:54, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
He's still twisting in the wind trying to pretend he was right all along. You lose Ken, the people spoke. Christianity is dropping like a stone in NZ and has done for decades. Acei9 21:52, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
I get the gist of his argument, I think. His key presumption is that human beings are incapable of change or growth as they age up, and that the exact beliefs of parents are always impressed upon their children without error or possibility of outside influence or internal reflection in any way. Those whose faith lacks sufficient will to crush and destroy the 'other' will fall away, leaving only the pure ideology. These ideological clones, with their murder-the-fags-and-whores crusader version of the faith, will perfectly and flawlessly carry the system forward by outbreeding the rest of us over a century or two, without any changes whatsoever. So long as you suspend the totality of human experience, it checks out. I mean, just look at the history of christianity; it's never changed once, ever, not in practice or beliefs or attitudes on divorce or adoption or war or polygamy or any other aspect of its identity. If you do find a difference, it's the fault of those devious whores and fags, and definitely not because of any greed or power-lust or ignorance in the 'true' faithful. Semipenultimate (talk) 22:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
Of course in reality many people born into the evangelical tradition, such as, say, the Assemblies of God, are driven from the faith by the actions of the supposed 'faithful'. Amazingly enough I am one of those people! Yet despite the many well meaning people who've tried to witness to me since then, very few of them have had much interest in my own experience with one of christianity's many different branches. If you're reading this, please feel free to send me a private message and I can explain, not that I'm going to exactly hold my breath until the DMs come in. Semipenultimate (talk) 22:17, 1 October 2019 (UTC)
I see the whole ultra-conservative religous ideology as a star going supernova. It is very dangerous as it stands making big noises and doing big damage. However like a supernova it is irreversibly dying, the new suns and planets that will be born because of this will have little in common with their parent as will the children of religous bigots.--Mercian (talk) 16:13, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Oh God, here we go again with New Zealand nationalists rising to defend a leper colony as the greatest place on earth to live. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 17:28, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Unlike the good ole US of A if someone was unfortunate enough to catch leprosy they would get the best medical treatment possible where in America unless they had a $2000 a month insurance policy they would be left to die in horrific circumstances.--Mercian (talk) 18:35, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Ken's latest "User/Conservative-Gentlemen post"[7] was posted, made a big noise and died, just like a supernova and his bigoted hateful ideology.--Mercian (talk) 18:37, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Nobs, thank you for reminding me! I misstated that folks of Cons' ilk presume that people don't change; they also presume the world is a static theater, as well. Also, nobody said anything like that re: 'greatest place on earth to live'- the central assertion here is that there are fewer self-declared christians as a percentage of the population than there were fifty years ago. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:40, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Hmmm, I seem to remember a Coop case that started over me calling Kiwi nationalists the racist scumbags that they are. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 19:59, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
NZ was never a leper colony Rob. And I don't know where you're getting this 'racist scumbags' guff from. Acei9 20:45, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
I heard British Imperialists deported lepers from all over the British Empire to New Zealand. Must've been communist propaganda, huh? nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 21:38, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
No, you just conflated what you heard about the colony on Quail Island with the entirety of New Zealand. One is a single 200-acre island, the other is 30-odd islands of ~66M acres. You've got the facts wrong on a minor topic - it happens. But I wonder, will you demonstrate character and admit to such? Or is anything that contradicts what you think you already know simply written off as an enemy attack? Semipenultimate (talk) 21:58, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
Ok, I got my facts wrong from my anti-Imperialist, communist, public school teachers. But when I Google "New Zealand leprosy", I honestly don't know where to begin. WP says the population of white privileged European's in NZ was 26,000 in 1851; but I can't find population stats of Quail Island anywhere in the 19th century. Quail Island evidently was a quarantine facility for immigrants diagnosed with leprosy. How many of those immigrants came from Asia Pacific islands and how many from Europe? nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 22:41, 2 October 2019 (UTC)
There was also a quarantine island in Wellington harbour. But, no Rob, NZ was not a leper colony. Also Quail Island evidently was a quarantine facility for immigrants diagnosed with leprosy. with a range of potetially communicable diseases. Fixed it for you. Acei9 23:28, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

I find it interesting that Rob equates somebody saying a certain country is largely irreligious with somebody saying that country is the best one on Earth. Spud (talk)

As Hillary would say, "It's been litigated." nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 02:14, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Well, to be blunt, NZ is one of the best countries in the world. Easily one of the most peaceful and safe nations on Earth. It also ranks above the US in nearly every single metric you can rank. So yes, NZ is up there. Acei9 02:28, 3 October 2019 (UTC)
Hmmm, let's see what Rationalwiki says about this: Nationalism#Sense_of_superiority. nobsI'm dumbstrzok! 03:58, 3 October 2019 (UTC)