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1. Probably missional, but it has too many problems to mention in only one comment. If it's difficult to measure most of the deaths caused by Christianity in the recent years I imagine centuries ago, where most deaths probably took place. According to the article "The most famous estimate is 56 million deaths, but a more critical examination would put Christianity's death toll at 9.064 to 28.734 million. However, if you widen responsibility to mean any mass atrocity caused by largely Christian societies regardless of motive then the death toll of Christianity would ascend to 82.069 to 106.734 million deaths." Apparently the claim of the 56 million deaths comes from a book called "The Rationalist's Manual", written in the XIXth century. I don't think it was possible to measure such thing decades before econometrics became a real science, and even today with precision. Another source is a guy called Matthew White and a and his book The Great Big Book of Horrible Things. Acording to his site he's a librarian with little to no academic credentials, so, not a very good source, I believe. The words "communism" and "communist" appear on this article almost 30 times. Apparently the author wants to put both on the same level, who knows. GeeJayK (talk) 19:16, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

   I don't belive the mentions of Communism is supposed to equate communism with Christianity or anything like that. The mentions of "Communism" come from the association between Communist governments and anti-Christianity atheism among Christian apologists (particularly China and the Soviet Union), so apologists tend to paint deaths under authoritarian communist regimes as purported "deaths due to Atheism." ℕoir LeSable (talk) 19:39, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

2. Ahistorical nonsense, unsalvageable. Christopher (talk) 20:04, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
3. Christianity definitely killed many people, albeit we are unable to know an exact figure. This is particularly the case when it comes to deaths from bygone eras, before ecometrics even existed. This article has a lot of bad sources along with a significant presence of needless commentary. In my opinion--unless this page gets dramatically fixed--it doubtlessly must be expunged from this wiki.~April 21:02, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
4. UShistoryanalyzer (talk) 21:13, 23 June 2021 (UTC)
5. As others have already said, while yes, Christianity did undeniably claim countless lives for nearly two millenia, looking for the exact body count across such a huge-ass period of time that goes all the way back to long before we were capable of calculating exact numbers of people on such a large scale is pointless and downright silly. A similar topic is handled far better in this article- which also includes deaths from other religions, e.g. Islam. --Goatspeed. _{Watch me}CircularRasoning^{See my experiments} 00:26, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
6. 𝒮𝑒𝓇𝑒𝓃𝑒 ^talk 00:58, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Keep

1. Just because you can't find a reliable death toll figure absolutely does not warrant removal of the article. It is very missional as already stated. However, I would support a split as well. Gale5050 (talk) 21:12, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

   But supposing it is possible to measure this are we going to keep an article that has poor sources and is probably wrong just for sake of a possible edit in the future? That does not convince me. GeeJayK (talk) 00:48, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

   This is the problem with about 90% (including my) AFD's. They just need expansion, copy editing and better sources. I will refrain from making such future AFD's and this also has an extensive edit history. But I will change to a weak keep. Pinging @Lucid dreaming lucifer, the creator.Gale5050 (talk) 01:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

   That user wasn't active for over three years.. Monet ^Ye 07:22, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Merge/redirect

1. Merge into a section of the main Christianity article. There's too little sourced or reliable information in order to justify a full page on this. Celeste (talk) 12:31, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Goat

1. One of y’all better delete all of the red links this will create! Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 11:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

   I'll do it. There's not that many of them. Spud (talk) 04:55, 25 June 2021 (UTC)