Talk:Authoritarianism of Donald Trump

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Authoritarianism of Donald Trump: Strongman Envy

I've read the article, and I thought that this specific part seemed very weak. Very, very weak. I'd like to know how Trump, when doing dealings with foreign leaders, he just does it in a business mans perspective (i.e. flattery and keeping the person in a good mood; no insults allowed, stuff along those lines) is him having Strongman envy? Seems a lot like a stretch to me. ^{— Unsigned, by: Fe rony / talk / contribs}

Given his authoritarian domestic tendencies (no, I'm not going to spell this one out for you, you should know by now) and his rather noticeable hostility toward democratic countries (note which countries he's tried to extort, note the types of governments they have, note who he doesn't praise...) I feel that the section in question is quite strong. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 16:36, 21 November 2019 (UTC)

If he was just saying the same textbook appeasing stuff that Bush and Obama said then you'd have a point, but he tends to focus on and praise the brutal things these leaders do instead of just ignoring them like the aforementioned Bush and Obama. That and his rhetoric of de-legitimising the media(fake news), scapegoating certain groups(They're rapists) and painting himself as a messianic figure(Make America Great Again) suggests he does suffer from strongman envy.Evilatheistheathen (talk) 12:13, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

This article...

....looks on the face of it that it should be in the Essay category. It’s title and focus doesn’t read like an article Thoughts? Ace^McWicked 06:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

This was spun off from the main Donald Trump page. It's both missional and well-referenced. Why exactly do you think it belongs in Essayspace? Bongolian (talk) 02:18, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Because the title, not the content, sounds awkward as a title of an article. Maybe just my reading of it and of course it is on mission - the title just sounds like a university paper title. Perhaps Donald Trump and Authoritarianism would be a better title? Ace^McWicked 03:18, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

This wiki isn't what it was a decade ago, Ace. — Oxyaena ^Harass 05:44, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

WTF is wrong with you? I'm querying the title and suggesting another. This has nothing to do with the wiki now or then. Ace^McWicked 21:38, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Would "Authoritarian tendencies of Donald Trump" work? I'm just trying to stick with the "_____ of Donald Trump" pattern that the other Trump articles have. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 22:01, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah but I still think my suggestion (Donald Trump and Authoritarianism) works better. I don't know - just something about this current title sounds awkward. But your suggestion is good too. Shall we just make the change to one or the other? I would do it but I suspect Oxy would blow a gasket given how much she follows me around. Ace^McWicked 22:11, 25 November 2019 (UTC)

Bad citations

Can you all cut it out with the crappy YouTube and Twitter citations dealing with current events? Neither of these are legitimate news sources. Cosmikdebris (talk) 16:54, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm pruning some stuff

Just a heads up to y'all, I'm keeping an eye out for non-sequiturs as I'm going along formatting the references. I sometimes forget to give edit summaries, so if you edit this article and wonder why I deleted something, I'll try and justify it here, cause I don't want people to think I am whitewashing this thing.:

• "Federal agencies under Trump appointees have been purging even the mere mention of words like "climate", "warming", "planet", "sea levels", or even "temperature".(Ref)" This doesn't belong in the Intimidation of the press section. The man is a climate change denialist, for sure. Is it a good example of how shitty he is towards journalist?
• "ALEC, a lobbying group funded by Koch Industries, is spearheading laws that increase penalties for protesting energy pipelines (or just protesting in large groups), ban protesters [...] Some CEOs such as Kelcy Warren have even said that people who disrupted the Dakota Access Pipeline should be "removed from the gene pool". (Ref)" Yeah, rich asshat CEOs are being asshats. They did this before Trump. They'll do it after he is gone.
• "In 2020, Ron DeSantis, Governor of Florida, following in his president's footsteps, announced a series of proposals increasing penalties and creating new criminal [...] a protester charged with violent assembly appears in court, and terminates all state benefits and employment options if charged with violent assembly.(Ref)" But the article ISN'T about Ron DeSantis. How does a governor proposing shitty laws prove that Trump criminalized protests?

Regards. - Rairyu75 (Talk) 21:28, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

Latest developments

Given the surge in hostile rhetoric coming from Trump (and... everything to do with Project 2025), shouldn't we update this article to include that? Carthage (talk) 19:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Trump's team seem to be treating Project 2025 in the media as a group of think-tankers trying to hawk jobs for themselves... and it's hard to see how that isn't true. I'm still not certain they won't hand those people those jobs. Anyway, it's best to focus on actions rather than words, but team Trump has been talking about exacting political revenge on people who were basically just upholding the democratic process, recently, so much that it could be worth a mention. Though I'm not sure how it would be added in specific. Chillpilled (talk) 20:35, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

Given the entire coup process, I think there's reason to be skeptical. Carthage (talk) 20:44, 14 December 2023 (UTC)

As far as I know, the Heritage Foundation's "Project 2025" is intended as a blueprint for any Republican president... though it seems written with Trumpism in mind, and is being spearheaded by many in the Trump "sphere of influence" like Stephen Miller. Some of the goals seem contradictory, both within itself (Shrink the Department of Justice!... but, make sure that the Justice Department vigorously ensure "proper enforcement and administration of our immigration laws") as well as Trump's revenge-oriented social media posts.

Trump's "official" agenda is a loose collection of words called "Agenda 47". A lot of this is what you'd expect (eg attacks on immigrants, equality / social justice, and public education, along with laughable rants on "globalists" given that he is a "globalist" businessman, seriously). But, based on what I remember of the Heritage Society's typical views, his desire to battle "Big Pharma", other protectionism musings, and his stated aim to completely protect Social Security and Medicare is gonna conflict with the Heritage folks. BobJohnson (talk) 22:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)