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UKIP MEPs never voting on anything

Can we have the source for this? It would be very useful. ^{— Unsigned, by: 86.21.1.46 / talk / contribs} 01:57, 14 July 2013‎

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http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=United_Kingdom_Independence_Party&diff=1597843&oldid=1597827

Feel free to discuss on the talkpage. oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 23:31, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

His links: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-22952950, http://www.mirror.co.uk/for-the-record/alex-wood-an-apology-6209529 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 23:32, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

I feel it's worth mentioning in any case, to show that sometimes media is sometimes a bit too quick to jump to conclusions and call UKIP members all sorts of things. It could be phrased differently, maybe? Carpetsmoker (talk) 03:07, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

I wanted to rewrite it, but I see someone else already did. Looks good now! Carpetsmoker (talk) 04:32, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

'Handbags at dawn'

Any comment on the incident so described by one of the proponents? 82.44.143.26 (talk) 14:31, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Organisation of article

The material on the Gerard Batten, 2018-onwards era and its tilt to Islamophobia is split between 2 sections, United Kingdom Independence Party#Gerard Batten and United Kingdom Independence Party#UKIP and the BNP, EDL etc. It might be an idea to combine all of this into one section? The article has a slightly strange structure where the History section stops around 2005 with other sections covering the glory years. Some of the material on policies is out of date too. Maybe it could be divided chronologically into 3 parts covering (1) early years (the existing history section, eclipsing BNP, etc), (2) heyday up to the 2016 Brexit referendum (which would be the bulk of the present article including the policies section and most of the Farage years), and (3) the post-referendum aftermath with the headless chicken mode and Batten. --Annanoon (talk) 16:40, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

Is UKIP an extreme hate party?

I would argue yes. Any British people with a literal phobia of being replaced by Muslims can be motivated by nothing other than irrational hatred, probably for the color of the skin. Twist Spanker (talk) 13:34, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

I would argue it's very rare to call it an extreme hate party, and that mainstream reliable sources don't ever go that far. — Dysk (contribs) 13:43, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't think its an extreme hate party. In fact, if the Conservatives were to stop Brexit or give us a really soft Brexit I'd probably end up as a full-time UKIP voter. It could also be argued that anti-Semitism in the Labour Party is far greater than Islamophobia in UKIP or anywhere else. --RWRW (talk) 15:14, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

Spanker is a sock of a troll and his edits were reverted. In regards to UKIP's current extremism- it has moved into far-right territory under Gerrard Batten's leadership since it has became associated with street hooliganism and Tommy Robinson's Islamophobia, the latter influencing UKIP to come up with bizarre policies such as "Muslim-only" prisons or something as absurd; Batten also let alt-righters join the party like Paul Joseph Watson and has recently claimed UKIP want to scrap all equality laws. No wonder the party has fallen to 5% in opinion polls, loosing many of their MEPs including Farage to the Brexit Party. Under Farage's leadership UKIP were classified by academics and the media as right-wing populist, not far-right. The party under Farage though often flirted with xenophobia and was anti-immigration, although it always distanced itself from extremist politics like the BNP; populism has key differences to the far-right, but it still shares many similarities.Arcticos (talk) 16:39, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

@RWRW, what's your opinion of the Brexit Party? I find it laughable: Farage leaves UKIP over it becoming far-right, but joins a far-right party - the founder of the Brexit Party - is as Islamophobic as Tommy Robinson.Arcticos (talk) 17:12, 24 February 2019 (UTC)

There is a certain irony in that. I'd heard of this Brexit Party but I know very little about it. To be honest Farage should have stayed on as UKIP leader until after Brexit - it would have been morally better and UKIP wouldn't have become as irrelevant as they are today. --RWRW (talk) 09:03, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Fash?

A BoN wished to add UKIP to the fascist category. Would we have any objections? I am easy either way, as I feel that a person could argue both cases quite well, depending on what definitions you wish to use. I would like to encourage a bit of a chat on this (I didn't smite the edit with my mighty sysop mop to crush dissent from a passerby, just in case anyone is thinking that). - Rairyu75 (Talk) 17:45, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Fascist is an actual word with an actual definition, so I'm gonna need more justification than "they're more right wing than we would like". Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 18:35, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I would support calling them right-wing populist, but they don't seem to have any desire to create a dictatorship, so I would not say they are fascists. A single absolute leader is a necessary criterion.-Flandres (talk) 18:40, 17 September 2020 (UTC)