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Now how to get the TOC below the menu. . . --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 18:35, 17 January 2009 (EST)

I'm not sure why you'd want to. It will push the actual saloon bar discussions way the hell down the page. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:37, 17 January 2009 (EST)
It looks ugly like it is right now. But, we could try moving it to the center. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 18:38, 17 January 2009 (EST)
Place it on the right underneath community chalkboard, it doesn't need such a prominent position. - User \scriptstyle4\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{n}(2n+1)^{-1} 18:44, 17 January 2009 (EST)
(EC)"Leave it alone" again? Why do we need that sci-fi stuff when it's only of interest to one or two people? Better on a user page maybe? If we're including the "menu" here at all (which is by no means certain) it should at least be mildly amusing things of some interest to other people. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:45, 17 January 2009 (EST)
Plasma 'leek' soup is fairly easy to understand, and most users have heard of BG, as evidenced on the Saloon Bar page. I won't be putting any Stargate references in there, but Star Wars might be an option. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 18:47, 17 January 2009 (EST)

Congratulations, Pi. Now we don't even have the chalkboard. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 18:49, 17 January 2009 (EST)

If you would stop fucking edit conflicting me out I would tell you I have removed until there is agreement on this other tha "I like it so I shall do this". - User \scriptstyle4\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{n}(2n+1)^{-1} 18:51, 17 January 2009 (EST)
I was edit conflicting you? By the way, cursing is only permitted in the back alley. Now on to the conflict: The menu, for the most part, is fairly easy to understand, and would be even easier if we added links to pages when appropriate. I've been sticking to easy to understand sci-fi puns- no Stargate or Santucary. Most people have heard of leek soup, and could get the gist of 'plasma leek.' 'Cylon salad' is more debatable, but I think enough users get it to leave it there. In addition, the fact that one user doesn't get it is no reason to delete it. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 18:54, 17 January 2009 (EST)
(EC)For the record, I'm sorry I made that menu. It was meant a throwaway piece of nomsense to relieve the tedium of what was already a fairly inane thread, not as something to be permanently displayed somewhere prominent. If it stays here, it should be because people want it here (I.E. not just CUResistor), & I really don't think it should include the odd SF stuff. It's incongruous with the rest of it. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:55, 17 January 2009 (EST)
& Cursing is permitted everywhere, goddammit! ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:56, 17 January 2009 (EST)
It's a vicious, foul-mouthed little weasel! Help! --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 18:58, 17 January 2009 (EST)
Back on topic: Are we going to have a vote about this too? I do hope not. It seems that people with negative opionions are more likely to respond. Instead, I think we should randomly pick members, and ask them if they think it is amusing. Also, the SF is funny. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 18:58, 17 January 2009 (EST)
If it get a permanent place on the page it should not be top left. Below the community chalkboard, give the actual information more prominence. Also, CUR, if someone tell your joke isn't funny, instead of trying to convince people it is funny come up with on that is funnier. - User \scriptstyle4\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}(-1)^{n}(2n+1)^{-1} 18:59, 17 January 2009 (EST)
Contributions are welcome, as you know. And which one is less funny? Because I really like plasma 'leek' soup. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 19:01, 17 January 2009 (EST)
I'm still not sure I even get plasma leek soup. I don't know what Cylon is & I certainly wouldn't have made the connection with Caesar. Most of all, as I said, they're incongruous. The jokes about users' names at least will make sense to people, but following them up with obscure sci-fi references is just weird. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 19:06, 17 January 2009 (EST)
What's a deep-fried tribble? And Weasel, how can I get the community chalkboard in the center, and the menu a bit higher? --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 10:04, 18 January 2009 (EST)
"What's a deep-fried tribble?" You are. & Whatever you were trying to do with this failed again. We don't need the silly menu up here, & as you invited us to take it out again, I've done so. Also, as I predicted, your arrangement was pushing both the TOC & the actual discussions at the saloon bar way the hell down the page, which isn't desireable. So I've taken it back to an earlier version. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 13:17, 18 January 2009 (EST)
I invited you to improve it. Oh, and why do we need the community chalkboard? The saloon bar is for stuff that really isn't about RW, and doesn't fit anywhere else. So maybe the menu should replace it. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 15:45, 20 January 2009 (EST)
Why is that silly menu here as well, now? Your not knowing what a tribble is strikes me as odd. And your suggestion is silly. ħumanUser talk:Human 15:48, 20 January 2009 (EST)
What's silly about it? We really don't need the CC here, it is almost everywhere else. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 15:50, 20 January 2009 (EST)
It conveys no information (the menu). It would put a useless chalkboard in a place of prominence (your suggestion). The CC was written for the saloon; it then was added to a couple other places. ħumanUser talk:Human 15:53, 20 January 2009 (EST)
Dude, the menu is fucking silly - IMHO. In particular the sci-fi refs are inane, unfunny and lame lame lame. Ace McWickedRevolt 15:55, 20 January 2009 (EST)
In that case, I'll make an eaterie of my own. --"ConservapediaUndergroundResistorMOAR KITTY:[1] (wasn't me) 15:57, 20 January 2009 (EST)

Edit war[edit]

Anyone care to discuss their views here? It's better to talk, and all that... Totnesmartin 13:02, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Looks like PC just wants to add something to the drinkquote template but hasn't noticed it's there. ArmondikoVtheist 13:21, 4 February 2009 (EST)

Quote thingymabob[edit]

Is there a way to make the space the drinking quote appears in a bit wider? It looks awfully cramped at the mo, especially for the longer quotes. --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:35, 24 April 2009 (EDT)

Summer[edit]

Now that it is summer, are we going to change the Bar colors with the season? I was thinking a kinda green and blue mixture... ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ the most colourful sig on RationalWiki! 16:35, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, go for it. I've changed it sporadically in the past, but haven't got around to it recently, & nobody else has bothered. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 09:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I love the seasonal answer to a year-old comment! ħumanUser talk:Human 09:35, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Heehee, I didn't notice that. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 09:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Buttons[edit]

That works nicely, Pi. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Revamp?[edit]

eh? ħumanUser talk:Human 09:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

See below. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 09:45, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Revamp[edit]

I think the framed part of this takes up much too much room. You have to scroll down the page before you can actually see the TOC & forum list. It's also too full of randomised things which were a novelty when we first set up the Saloon Bar, but have become rather tired. Now that the WIGO pages etc. are being redesigned, we could have a look at revamping this one too. One possibility is to redesign it along similar lines to those. Personally, I'd prefer to keep the pub sign flavour, but slim it down a bit. My suggestions are as follows:

  1. Scrap the drinkquotes - we've all seen them all hundreds of times, it takes up a lot of space and can display very clumsily if your browser isn't maximised.
  2. Get rid of the jukebox - another novelty item from the early days. I doubt that anyone listens to it now.
  3. Get rid of the smileys - I could go either way on this one so if people like them, they could stay it as they don't take up a whole lot of space.
  4. Get rid of the beer/whiskey pictures - they don't take up vertical space as they're alongside the bar sign, but they do contribute to the cluttered look, there aren't enough pictures for the randomisation to be interesting, & there are copyright / product placement issues, for those who care about such trifles.
  5. A more concise summary of what the Saloon Bar is, without links to junk pages like the casino.
  6. Unhiding the Pibot (on the SB page) so that the archive search box appears on the page again, as there should be more space for it after trimming down the bartop.
  7. Change the bar sign background colour, just because it hasn't been done in a while.

What are your thoughts, comrades? WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 09:44, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Pibot is ugly and takes up a lot of space. - π 09:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Again, you can use {{Talkpage/SearchArchives}} to get just the search box. -- Nx / talk 09:49, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm really not seeing the big difference. One is green & sits at the side of the page; the other one isn't & sits in the middle. The difference in vertical size looks fairly slight, really just down to the links in the Pibot box to the archive list & the Pibot page, which are probably worth keeping in view. Am I missing something? WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 10:05, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I think the antipodeans are just taking the piss, don't worry. The laughter will reach our continents within hours. ħumanUser talk:Human 10:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
It cuts out the text and it allows you to place it where you want to. For example in place of the quotes. -- Nx / talk 10:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I took the liberty of changing your *'s to #'s so we can use numbers to bitch or agree. Hitting preview now...
1. Yeah, but are teh funny. I still like them. Also, remind people to maximise their sheep browser.
2. Agree, I doubt anyone uses it.
3. Likewise, just a space-waster.
4. Don't waste space, and at least one (mine) is copyleft. Cleanup? Get more drinks pix that are copyleft?
5. Casino is junk, yes. Should be one simple concise line of text.
6. Simple link to barchives is enough, the search box there is awesome. No need for it on the page.
Summary: I'm all for trimming down the bartop, but can we do it without killing the fun aspects of it? ħumanUser talk:Human 09:56, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
What Human said.  Lily Inspirate me. 11:19, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I think drinkquote is the biggest space-hogger, or can be, depending on what the quote is. It would be a bit wider when we take out the jukebox, & hence fewer lines for regular quotes. Maybe we should also look at taking out the quotes which are whole song verses & poems, as they tend to expand the bartop ridiculously. Alternatively, it could be collapsible. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 11:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I think I agree there. When the drinkquote is one line, it's one line. When it's seventeen line Irish pub song, it might be a bit over the top. ħumanUser talk:Human 11:55, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
If you're going to collapse it, you might as well just remove it. Collapsible won't collapse until the whole page loads (which in the case of the saloon bar, can take a while), so it'll look broken. And it won't collapse if you have javascript turned off. The quotes are already quite useless, and noone will be uncollapsing them, so why have them at all then? -- Nx / talk 12:13, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Certainly a good point regarding the collapsing. It works fine when the collapsing templates are at the bottom (the help one, I think) or on a short page. But for the SB, your average impatient user will have started to scroll down before it's fully loaded, so will miss it collapse. Something to be avoided, I think. And as much as the fun aspects are fun, you have to remember that it will be ignored once people are used to seeing it, therefore it may as well be reduced to a short lede and sign that's no more than perhaps a third of its current height. Scarlet A.pngsshole 00:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

For consideration[edit]

Armondikov's gravel box. Also local sandbod for playing. - π 11:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

The first one might be too jarring of a change. But can anyone at least figure out a way to draw a line from the curve on the title down to the box on the right??? ħumanUser talk:Human 11:57, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
It leaves a single line gap if you got there via a redirect. - π 12:16, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Is there no fix for that? Can you do it at the sandbox, even if it might fail? And wait, do we even have any redirects to these pages? ħumanUser talk:Human 12:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm currently back on a campus computer using IE8... words cannot convey how insane that orange looks on this monitor. It was fairly nice on my home computer, work computer and even the netbook but wow, seeing it on this monitor makes me want sunglasses! Scarlet A.pngsshole 13:42, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Off the wall idea[edit]

Admittedly this would probably take up more space rather than less, but maybe in the SB the WIGO buttons could appear on bar taps (like this kind) to keep the pub vibe. Could look pretty cool if it was done well. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 12:12, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Idea indeed, good. ħumanUser talk:Human 12:15, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
It'd be an interesting graphical idea to try. But I think the issue is that the bartop just gets ignored. There's nothing there you want to actually look at, is there? Once you've got the jist, you leave it and scroll down to the content. The same was the case with the WIGOs, with people adding new rules and ideas to the top and changing them. It doesn't matter what it says, because people will only ever read it once and then mentally block it out (perhaps one of the reasons that Spotify constantly changes where it places its ads?). So it may as well be short and to the point for newbies and non-intrusive for the people who've seen it all before. Scarlet A.pngsshole 23:59, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Experimental evidence[edit]

I have evidence the jukebox and drinkquote can go - I removed them and no-one even squeaked - David Gerard (talk) 23:41, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Good work, that man. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 23:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Why do I miss those days?[edit]

I was reading the lead section, and despite how frustrating all that was, I kind of miss CUR. When he didn't get his way he went off and tried to set up his own Saloon bar. He was entertaining in a highly disruptive way. - π 09:54, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

I conCur. He was disruptive in a highly entertaining way. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 09:59, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
Indeed. There were times when he was truly "one of us". And times he wasn't. I miss being courteously served a beer by the minor. ħumanUser talk:Human 09:58, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I just read some of Weaseloid's talkpage archives, goat those were funny. The ceiling cat and the watching you masturbate with the username trick, those were classics. - π 10:29, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
I have read over the CUR archives several times since his withdrawal. I am amused each time. Acei9 10:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Condense[edit]

Time to lose the Dive Bar link? Redchuck.gif ГенгисRationalWiki GOLD memberModerator 20:50, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

If anything I think the whole thing needs cleaned up and condensed down a little. Even on my largest monitor it fills most of the screen. Scarlet A.pngpostate 20:52, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
Indeed. The two small pictures to either side and the emoticons are dumb, the title picture is about twice too big, and there's too much text.--ADtalkModerator 22:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
I was in the middle of moving the emoticons but got distracted by IRL stuff, sorry for leaving that half done. Scarlet A.pngpathetic 23:53, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
I've taken out the junk, but left the picture same size. It ought to be a fairly big header in my opinion. WěǎšěǐǒǐďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 00:18, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
It looks enormously better.--ADtalkModerator 00:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
'Tis pretty, IMHO. So the SB has gone from being one of those "old man's pubs" to one of those "old man's pubs" that's had a new lick of paint and some new IKEA chairs because the smoking ban has made people realise there's a strange smell embedded permanently in the walls. Scarlet A.pngbomination 18:30, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Wow, my life must be really low on meaning right now if I'm excited by the prospect that the icon is a shortcut to Add Section... Scarlet A.pngbomination 18:31, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
Icon beer yellow.gif

Invision-Board-France-355.gif Icon beer yellow.gif Beer.gif Drinks drunk.gif Beer.gif Beer.gif Invision-Board-France-355.gif steriletalk 00:15, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

In other words a bunch of presumptuous nerds with shitty taste for cheap furniture who live to create make-work for themselves to wank over by doing stuff like this or putting copper medals on shitty articles realized they might just push the old men out (perhaps the old men don't even know where the meeting was to discuss turning their local into a TGI Fridays) and decided to force a smoking ban, replace the Hank Williams on the juke box with Katy Perry or some unlistenable shit, hang some anime pictures, paint the walls earth tones, put toilet paper in the bathroom and pick up the needles, sweep up the sawdust, peanut shells, cigarette butts, and vomit, and replace the red 40 watt lightbulb and neon beer and liquor signs with BÖJA pendant lamps ($59.99 ea. at ikea.com), etc. If you're looking for some inspiration have a look at the Max from Saved by the Bell. Looks perfect. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 12:59, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Vote to return the smilies[edit]

This vote has been closed. Please do not add, remove or change votes.
The result of this vote was: Smilies are awesome and shall be returned to the Saloon Bar header

Bring them back[edit]

  1. Please consider this my usual account's vote. Pimobile (talk) 12:24, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
  2. I don't believe they'll come back... our bar's too "professional" ... but hell, let's vote. steriletalk 03:37, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
  3. They can fit somewhere, can't they? Peter talk, or type, or whatever... 03:41, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
  4. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 04:12, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Keep them gone I am a boring twat[edit]

  1. Did someone say boring twat? Blue Talk 03:50, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
  2. The new Facebook sucks! Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:15, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
  3. --Dumpling (talk) 04:20, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Discussion[edit]

Unless you can make them take up less space, the old header was an amateurish looking mess. Scarlet A.pngnarchist 12:33, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
That is the way we liked our hangout. The saloon bar was the editors of the wiki's page not a content page for readers. It is like how you wear a suit to work, but wear an old tshirt and shorts at home. Pimobile (talk) 12:50, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
There's a lot of whitespace on the sides, maybe we could put the there? -- Nx / talk 13:14, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
I quickly messed about in preview with putting two more panels in for {{GuestBeer}} and {{GuestWhisky}} but without modifying the size for those templates it looked a bit crap. They'd have to be scaled right to the 126px. Scarlet A.pngmoral 13:25, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
Bump. Тytalk 03:34, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
8 more hours and I get to declare it overwhelming won in my favour. Go circle-jerk! - π Moderator 04:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
It's not quite 'overwhelming' anymore, but I believe we've technically won... Right? Peter talk, or type, or whatever... 19:44, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
This was a very informal vote. All we've established here is that of the seven people who actually care about the smilies, they're nearly evenly distributed. Somehow I expect it'll all be sorted out in the end. Blue Talk 20:07, 14 November 2011 (UTC)
No, I win by majority after a week vote. - π Moderator 11:12, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Can somebody put together a prototype of how you want them? I've tried putting them into the current arrangement & couldn't come up with anything that wasn't terrible. ωεαşεζøίɗWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 00:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Wished I'd noticed this vote. I like it much better the way it is now. C'est la vie.--ADtalkModerator 11:40, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Yeah now you know why I feel like I have to go back through days of Recent Changes so I don't miss shit like this or a vote to ban another user. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 13:02, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the boringification of RationalWiki continues. Soon, people will fall asleep as soon as they log in. No smileys--too fun! steriletalk 13:35, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Perhaps the smileys can go somewhere like at the top of the barchives page. They can go back in this template if there's a suitable way to put them in that doesn't create acres of whitespace or clutter, although I kindof like it without. WèàšèìòìďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 13:40, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Well, if you want to Wiki-Lawyer it, I recall voting to get rid of them, but as I also added the comment "unless you can make it look not shit" it was moved out of the vote and into the discussion above. Scarlet A.pngbomination 13:50, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
But whatever, the smilies are all teh wacky and zany!! 2 uber-kewl 4 skools lol!!11 Scarlet A.pngtheist 13:52, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
When exactly did we undertake "voting to get rid of them"? steriletalk 13:53, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
The above section, "bring them back" vs "keep them gone I'm a boring twat". Scarlet A.pnggnostic 13:55, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
That was a vote to bring them back. They were eliminated from the bartop without a vote. Just clarifying. steriletalk 13:58, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
Same difference. Scarlet A.pnggnostic 14:03, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Removal of content[edit]

Human recently removed:

  • The discussion clubs DPL
  • The poll
  • The To Do List link
  • A number of forum links

I see no reason to delete these things. They help with navigation to pages people might miss, and the poll can sometimes be amusing. Blue Talk 04:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

The fora/clubs are pretty much dead, but the polls are fun. ТyrannisAn iron, but caring, fist 21:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Polls are OK when they're a few options on one line each. The current poll is six options, each taking up four to five lines when crammed in this sidebar. It makes the bartop very very long, and would be better posted somewhere else. ЩєазєюіδWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 22:51, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Most of them had very old datestamps. Also, the whole template runs over whatever is in the first section. This is the bar"top", not a giant list of dumb things. No one is going to pages last edited in April. How about a brief series of links to the three or four dpl'd topics instead? Then those pages can be expansive? ħumanUser talk:Human 04:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
So it could list:
  • Forums (last edited x/x/x)
  • To do list (last edited y/y/y)
  • Polls (etc)
  • Discussion clubs (etc)
Most of this stuff is lame short-term tripe, that no one edits any more. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:07, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
There's no such thing as a 'sideways collapse' is there? Peter with added ‼Science‼ 04:08, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I'm having trouble imagining that, unless you rotated the writing sideways... Blue Talk 04:09, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I imagine that it could be done by someone who knew enough CSS. Also, the "collapsed" box could probably be one word wide, rather than one letter, thus obviating the need for vertical text to label it. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 04:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Can we at least keep the poll? I liked the poll. Don't care about the rest.--"Shut up, Brx." 04:24, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I recently added' the to do list, such that maybe people, would, you know, work on Main occasionally. The rest I could care less about. sterileevolutionist story telling 04:39, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

I made an even smaller version (minus the header thing). Could the poll be collapsed in some way, perhaps? And isn't the whole thing supposed to do so too, judging by the code in the table? Peter with added ‼Science‼ 04:42, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

You can collapse most things, though you should do it via common.css in order to take advantage of proper CSS rather than the inline variant - collapse id tags are needed and you can't rig those up inline. There are two main issues with excessive use of collapse boxes, however: 1) The browser still has to load everything up as the collapse is applied afterwards, so if things are slow and jerky it can make things worse. 2) Collapse doesn't really work on mobile browsers, or at least support for the script that does it is less universal.
You forget yourselves, peons, it's Human's wiki, he can do whatever the fuck he likes, without having to ask anybody else. If he doesn't like something, it goes. Capice? --PsyGremlinHable! 13:08, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Why don't we delete the bar. After all, it does nothing towards the Wiki's goal as the 'go to' place for refuting pseudoscience and the anti-science movement and is often full of the in jokes and cruft that does so much to put off potential newcomers. Bad Faith (talk) 13:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Exactly! You fuckers are here to work and build a wiki. None of this talk-talk-talk bullshit. Who on earth give you the idea that this place should be fun? --PsyGremlinParla! 13:35, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
I think we should collapse the wiki. Put the whole damn thing under a {{trolltop}}. WeaseloidWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 17:23, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
Trolltop doesn't work on some mobile browsers. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 18:47, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
But how can those poor mobile users recognise trolling? WéáśéĺóíďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 19:58, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
When "RationalWiki" is in the URL. Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 21:15, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Keep the poll[edit]

The Saloon Bar just looks...empty without it. I can see the other stuff gone, but having the poll in the to do list feels completely out of place. If someone can find a way to collapse it properly, do it.

And Human, please don't do this before reaching some form of consensus. *readies for flame war* Osaka Sun (talk) 00:33, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

New idea[edit]

Revert it all, collapse human. --84.158.34.35 (talk) 00:57, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Lol. Cheap shot, easy for noobs. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:17, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Blue![edit]

Th hug.gif Osaka Sun (talk) 19:00, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Just doing my job, ser. Blue Talk 19:09, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
Make it so it doesn't steamroll the first section maybe ok. Better yet, just a link. Did you even look at some of the poll titles? ħumanUser talk:Human 04:18, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Polls[edit]

Should we have the random polls on this template? There seems to be a dispute over this. Mr. Anon (talk) 04:56, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

I think it is fine +1 for leave it/put back. Pi 3:14 (talk) 05:02, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Agreed, the polls were a fun way to gauge the community's opinion on interesting issues. +1 Mr. Anon (talk) 05:03, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Keep the polls. And if you look two threads above, you'll find a number of other users in favor of keeping the polls.--"Shut up, Brx." 05:06, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
Keep 'em. But I don't suppose they could be induced to use the space a little more efficiently? Peter with added ‼Science‼ 05:10, 29 May 2012 (UTC)
I'd like to suggest adding Template:Clear to the end of the bartop template. This should prevent some clutter. It would look like this. Alternately, we could move around __TOC__ and see what that looks like--"Shut up, Brx." 05:44, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

This is ridiculous.[edit]

I removed the endless lists of random shit; I kept links to each of the topics. Please discuss. ħumanUser talk:Human 02:49, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

I agree, currently the template is too long and it crushes the opening saloon bar text. Links look good and appear...cleaner. AceModerator 02:50, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
I proposed adding Template:Clear in the section above. The end result would look like this--"Shut up, Brx." 02:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Human, if you look at the preceding sections here you will observe that a fair number of people want the Pointless Poll, at least, to stay. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 02:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
@Brx: That looks even worse, you'll be having a fluctuating empty space instead on a continuous, working, single template. AceModerator 02:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
There are other ways to do it, I suppose. Various __TOC__ permutations might help.--"Shut up, Brx." 02:57, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
So the solution is to fiddle with everything else except this one template? AceModerator 02:58, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
So far, it seems people don't like Human's revision. If someone comes up with as satisfactory new version, that could then be implemented assuming enough people agree with it--"Shut up, Brx." 03:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Well you don't at least. And you also seem to be really gung ho with blocking me a half hour at a time after each reversion of my edit you make. That is not sysop material, that is ignorance in action. ħumanUser talk:Human 03:04, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Two sections above this one is a bunch of people objecting to your revision.--"Shut up, Brx." 03:07, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
I think it is fine, it has been longer for months. I think Human should just lave it well enough alone. Pi 3:14 (talk) 03:14, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
Maybe a reasonable compromise would be to put the Forum links and the poll into a couple of collapsed boxes. WèàšèìòìďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 00:01, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
All the content is there in Human's edit, it's just behind links rather than cluttering up a huge box. Putting content behind collapse boxes is functionally no different than what Huw's done. You still have to click a button to see the stuff. My impression is that people support every change Huw made except removal of the polls. Now you're saying you want the forums. A real compromise would be to edit the DPL to include maybe the 2 most recent forums and polls and move on from a discussion that's gone a bit sideways in places. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg 00:57, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
The thing on Genghis' talk page might be worth considering. Thoughts? Peter Blessed are the cheesemakers 02:10, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Cucumbers? WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 07:00, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
Them too. But I was referring to (it turns out) Template:Userhead. In other words, it's auto-collapsed and follows you down the page. Peter Blessed are the cheesemakers 08:09, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
I agree with Human, and hate the way it is. Far too busy. It's supposed to be a high-traffic discussion page, not a homepage. Eliminate all the cruft.--ADtalkModerator 10:55, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Yup, do it. Looks like shit at the mo. AceModerator 10:58, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I would rid of the pointless polls altogether and keep the damn to do list. But then again, I gave up a long time ago on people actually doing stuff here, so I guess I don't care. sterileevolutionist story telling 15:42, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Lessen the number of forum links, make sure polls aren't too long but keep them. And Sterile: lol. Blue Talk 15:52, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
I think Weasloid's compromise was pretty decent; keep the poll but put it under a hide box. Mr. Anon (talk) 15:56, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
Collaps'd. Blue Talk 16:06, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Forums and debates[edit]

How do I add current debates to the bit that shows current forums without it replacing the forums? SophieWilderModerator 20:26, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Try: ![[RationalWiki:Debate]] |- |{{#dpl: |namespace=Debate |category=General discussion¦Site-related discussion¦RW Article discussion¦Loya Jirga discussion¦Religious discussion¦Politics discussion¦Sports discussion¦Club discussion |noresultsfooter=#nbsp; |ordermethod=lastedit |order=descending |shownamespace=false |scroll=no |count=6 |skipthispage=false |addeditdate=true |userdateformat=H:i, j M Y |addnew=true |format=,¶#²{#ifeq:%NEW%¦true¦<span style="background:#FFFFAF;">¦<span>}²[[%PAGE%|%TITLE%]] <small>(%DATE%)</small></span>, |allowcachedresults=true }}

After the "}}" on Forum bit? No Idea if it'll work :-) (look at it in "Edit") Scream!! (talk) 20:37, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

No luck. All I got was the words "RationalWiki:Debate" floating to the right of the forum stuff. SophieWilderModerator 22:18, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
I used to know all that dpl stuff but it's gone, sorry. Scream!! (talk) 22:32, 29 December 2014 (UTC)