User talk:VictoriaJohansen

Your welcome to RationalWiki is lukewarm at best, VictoriaJohansen. This observation is due to the nature of your initial edits. Pull up a goat and try not to make trouble. We realize it is possible that you do not understand the nature of the site or our objectives. Please see our guide for newcomers and our community standards to clarify things for you. If you're still interested in contributing, please see what our articles are intended to be.

Don't use Wikipedia as a source, and even if you didn't please format correctly. I am 95% sure somebody reverted your edits. --Andrew5 (talk) 00:02, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Victoria!

Uhm, can I ask you to stop editing for a second, just so I can fix the talkpage? I think there are a lot of us trying to edit simultaneously and it seems kind of broken now. Don't worry though, I'll straight copy and paste your stuff and not lose any of it. Just give me two seconds. Also:

What is going on? World Blogs Clogs Elections The Bar (talk) (talk) (talk) (talk) (hic) Welcome to RationalWiki, VictoriaJohansen! Check out our guide for newcomers and our community standards! Tell us how you found RationalWiki here! If you are interested in contributing: Read what our articles are intended to be Check out the to-do list See our help page and Wikipedia's formatting cheatsheet If writing a new article, consider writing up a draft And most importantly: Pull up a goat and have some fun!

I myself don't know much about the topic you are trying to argue about, but I DO know that if you keep it civil you stand a better chance at getting a good, high quality response from someone who DOES know. Good luck! - Rairyu75 (Talk) 22:47, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

It appears to have been fixed by one of our regular editors. Should be good to edit now if you wanna expand upon any of it. - Rairyu75 (Talk) 22:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

(I think you logged out but continued editing as your IP address? Unless another person is editing your work? Might wanna log back in, so someone doesn't revert your stuff by accident by assuming it's someone else. Right now it looks to us like there are two people editing the one paragraph you and number 83.227.82.108. It's better to edit when logged in, we'll remember your username that way and you'll keep your IP hidden from people. Peace.) - Rairyu75 (Talk) 23:28, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

About your edits on the Sweden Democrats

Hi, you've made some edits on the Sweden Democrats article, but they have some problems. Some people would revert them right away, but I personally prefere a more direct approach. Basically, your edits are full of typos and have many unsourced claims. We don't have, as far as I know, an official WP:COMPETENCE policy, but I'd like to ask you to put a little more effort on your edits from now on. GeeJayK (talk) 00:13, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

VictoriaJohansen, I think you wrote from a gut reaction without really understanding the old text. The key thing about the old text is that it labeled Sweden Democrats as largely "cultural Christians", and cultural Christians are in large part secular. It basically sounds from the added text as if you were trying to re-create and add an explanation of what cultural Christians are, without using that term.

Maybe we can agree on this: In Sweden, elements of Christian culture are part of the "old" and "traditional" and so tied to the vague idea of "Swedishness" and nationalism, separately from actually practicing the religion. The actually truly religious Christians (a minority in Sweden) indeed largely prefer KD (the Christian Democrats), though there's a split in attitude and a significant minority of them embrace SD.

It's basically good to elaborate and clarify the old stubby text, but I think a more concise reworking would be better. Some of the added stuff may be good to use, for example the short paragraph about Church elections could be added as a note when describing what religious Christians prefer. --ApooftGnegiol (talk) 13:59, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes it is so that a majority or the left wing parties and liberal parties have an uncontested politicall controll of the Swedish church in Sweden. Making christians essntially more left wing or liberal in their politicall opinions than the general population. Exactly like America the left wing parties have such a large control over the church most believing christians in the Swedish church are left wing or liberals. That have lead to the conservative parties opposing the church itself. While the few conservative christians left in Sweden have created more traditional churches with a robust hierarchy and no democratic elections. In Sweden Christianity especially the Swedish church the left wing have almost complete control over it.VictoriaJohansen (talk)

The Social democrats have been the dominant party for ages in the Swedish church. They have extensive cooperations with jews and muslims. They banned all priests from preaching in the Swedish church if the did not bless homosexual couples. They also wanna push race related issues such as racism and homophobia and islamophobia threw the church. Essentially making it ideologically controlled by the left. They also wanna have more church and mosques built together to support interfaith dialogue. A majority of priests are even females. Showing that the Swedish church probably is the most left wing liberal church in the world.^{— Unsigned, by: VictoriaJohansen / talk / contribs}

For the record, IMO you're free to make those edits, as long as you post the sources of your claims and put a little more effort on writing the whole stuff. Most people agree that the adding sources is one of the most boring parts of Wiki editing, but it's really important. You might wanna check Help:Manual of style before making edits on the mainspace. You might also want to take at look at RationalWiki:Sandbox. Also, please sign and indent your posts. GeeJayK (talk) 14:24, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

The majority of priests do not even believe in hell and only in paradise. They even support the Social democrat's policies concerning Israel and condemns Israel and Trump just like the Swedish government. In this period I would not call the Swedish church apolitical. I would call it a support organization for the Social democrats.

https://www.svenskakyrkan.se/pressmeddelande/statement-great-concern-about-deeper-divisions-following-trumps-initiative?publisherId=1344892&releaseId=1973079 https://www.svenskakyrkan.se/default.aspx?id=1269183 https://www.svenskakyrkan.se/lunds-ostra-stadsforsamling/marta-och-black-lives-matter- VictoriaJohansen (talk) 18:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

VictoriaJohansen (talk) 18:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

As far as I understand these claims are more about the S/SAP and Sweden itself than about the Sweden Democrats. If you can provide sources about your claims and want to write about them, I believe you should contribute on the Sweden article instead. Also, please, indent your posts on talk pages, including user talk pages, it really helps the discussion. You can see here how to do it. GeeJayK (talk) 18:36, 21 September 2021 (UTC)