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proud boys 6MWE shirt was taken somewhere else[edit]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/proud-boy-6mwe/ the photo was captured in DC but took place in 2020 so its unrelated to the riot. — Unsigned, by: Meltedfire / talk / contribs

Coup[edit]

Given the preponderance of evidence (J6 Committee hearings, etc.) that this event was planned and desired by certain elements, I think that it's well past time to rename this page "2021 U.S. coup attempt", leaving a redirect behind. Bongolian (talk) 20:43, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Done. If anyone has a problem with this, feel free to leave a comment on the talk page. Vee (talk) 20:50, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
@Bongolian There was a subpage I missed. Do you know what it was? I need to change the double redirect. Vee (talk) 21:01, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
I'm not sure. I thought there was a list of participants that was transcluded before being deleted, but it may have just been deleted. Bongolian (talk) 21:17, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Oh please, really? We’re gonna get mocked for being hysterical about this. It was a riot and it should be called such. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 22:08, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Guys, you don't understand, unless we call the attempted and purposeful push to overturn the results of a democratic election a non political word like "Riot", normies will think we're weird. Please, God, shut up. This was an attempt to subvert democracy, it is objectively a coup attempt. ---Ozzyboo (talk) 22:11, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Here we have the Cato Institute,[1] tRump's former Senior Director for Europe and Russia of the National Security Council (Fiona Hill),[2] and the January 6 Committee[3] calling it an attempted coup. I don't see what the problem is. Bongolian (talk) 22:30, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Hmm. It’s a fair title, but I’m still concerned it comes of as hysterical. I won’t do anything to oppose the rename though. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 22:35, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
RW has always been known to piss people off for being blunt. I don't see what the difference is here. Vee (talk) 22:50, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Here in NZ we call it the 2021 Omni-Shambled Cluster-Fuck. We could change it to that? Acei9 23:42, 8 November 2022 (UTC)
Nah, Duce, the term I think at this point is correct. Technically, I think the riot best fits the category of "attempted self-coup" instead of it being a full-blown "traditional" coup (with military involvement etc.), but that's a subset of the coup category, so it fits. It would only merely be a riot or insurrection if Donald Trump and his associates had little involvement in the actions of the rioters, but at this point it's pretty clear that Trump was doing everything he could to stay in power regardless of legality, and had large influence on the rioters' actions. 72.184.99.135 (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Aren't clusterfucks omnishambolic by definition? Bongolian (talk) 00:44, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
BON, there's also the issue of brevity in our titles. Vee (talk) 00:45, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
coup attempt, definitely 100%. FairDinkum (talk) 09:17, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

not asking to take the piss, genuine question, but what's the difference between calling it a coup and an insurrection, from our perspective? Jake Holmesyell at me 00:48, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

The difference is technical, but a coup at least as far as I can tell is an attempt by those already in power or desiring power to take over government. Honestly it's a matter of semantics, but I think if we call it an "insurrection" it gives off the impression that this was a grassroots affair, and not the (poorly) orchestrated attempted power grab it really was. It absolves the plotters of responsibility. Vee (talk) 00:50, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
i see now Jake Holmesyell at me 00:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
I think insurrection is a better descriptor, but I welcome the change to be more precise with this title.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 21:02, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
Isn't there also a numbers element as well, and possibly a timeframe (the main drama of a coup happens over a relatively short timeframe, and an insurrection is more diffuse and longer). Anna Livia (talk) 21:16, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
This is the kind of unnecessary partisan aggrandizing that leads to people not taking the site seriously-Hastur! (talk) 20:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Nah, the general Internets are too busy on their Tiktoks to care about old small Wikis in the first place. :) For the political Internets anyways, I think only butthurt Trump simps would truly care about this name change... they can go cry in Breitbart for all I care, and continue to do what they are doing (which right now, it's... complaining about Mitch McConnell. Oy.) Even one of those columnist for that "oh-so-leftie" (/s) National Review has referred to the event as an auto-coup. 72.184.99.135 (talk) 21:06, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Joe Biden[edit]


Similar cases[edit]

Since someone added the 6 February 1934 crisis, should we also add the Beer Hall Putsch to the article? GeeJayKWhere all evil dwells Where every lie is true 12:52, 18 September 2023 (UTC)

let's consider renaming the section[edit]

this section reads like a lengthy "see also" section. it's a massive red herring that interrupts the flow of the article and borders on irrelevant. the least we could do is rename the section to something like "comparison with other countries." that way, these cases at least somewhat relate to the subject of the article. The G (talk) 06:23, 5 April 2024 (UTC)

Updating tasks[edit]

Status quo[edit]

The outline for updating: Bongolian (talk) 01:03, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

  • Total number of convictions, with date of last known J6 arrest,
  • 2024 election results
  • Threats against J6 committee and prosecutors by Trump and Kash Patel
  • Biden's rather limited scope of pardons for J6 committed and prosecutors
  • Jack Smith's wrapping up of the prosecution against Trump's coup attempt
  • Trump's promise to pardon the "non-violent" convicted coup participants, followed by him pardoning them and all the violent ones.
  • List of coup participants subsequently arrested or killed for doing more violent shit (Tarrio, that asshole in Iowa, others?)
  • Senate Republican rubber stamping of Patel and election deniers during confirmation hearings
    Anything I missed? Bongolian (talk) 18:50, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
    Don't forget the assholes arrested for child sexual abuse violations soon after being pardoned. Antares (talk) 19:28, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
    I don't think I had read about them, but worth including. Bongolian (talk) 19:35, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
    Perhaps it shouldn't be surprising given the QAnon baseless claims of child sex abuse conspiracies, and the psychologically projective tendencies of the whole MAGA movement ("Given the blanket pardon for his role in the riot, his lawyer may argue that the child pornography the police found cannot be used in court, as it is connected to January 6.").[4] Bongolian (talk) 19:41, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

A source on the J6 convicts:[5] The trumpist government is currently in the process of memory-holing the entire event.[6] Bongolian (talk) 01:03, 14 March 2025 (UTC)