Talk:2021 U.S. Capitol riot

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Voter roll purge / Voter intimidation[edit]

I feel like the article could be me made a little stronger if we added a little about voter intimidation and voter roll purges. https://twitter.com/va_gop/status/1307504349120262144 https://twitter.com/greg_palast/status/1314622308653260800 Kind of hard to fit the current flow of the text, but even a short bit might cement the message further. Helpdesk (talk) 19:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Nah, methinks it'd be a better idea to include that in a separate article on voter suppression. That has little to do with this particular event that preceded it. --Goatspeed. How's my editing🎃CircularREmail2.gifasoning🎃See what I'm planning 20:04, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

It is amusing that the Insurrectionists have the nerve to lecture others on patriotism[edit]

Because trying to murder elected officials for not overturning a fair and democratic election is so patriotic. --Resident Evil 7 (talk) 22:04, 24 December 2021 (UTC)

Renaming?[edit]

It's been renamed on Wikipedia to "2021 United States Capitol attack". While we don't follow what Wikipedia does, the name for this article was decided pretty shortly after the attack occured. It may be useful to evaluate how our sources describe this incident and rename the article accordingly. -- Techpriest (talk) 20:28, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

I'm a fan of describing it as an 'insurrection'.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:02, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
I think riot works. 🎄Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano🎄Ask about our holiday specials! 20:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Article is propaganda[edit]

Uh-oh!
Congrats, we made the cheerful overweight harbinger of destruction himself sad.
Mario's looking pretty upset at this discussion.
Your mileage may vary, but you'll quickly find unpleasantness down here!

Noone was killed in the horribly violent terrorist white supremacist insurrection except one of the rioters (an idiot Qanon nut who was unarmed).

Nobody was killed and nobody was armed with guns (2nd amendment), the rioters weren't even attempting to murder any elected officials.

People who think this was anything more than a riot that got out of control are fools. Stop playing into the hands of the deep state elitists (the people who said Iraq had WMD and Trump colluded with Russia). — Unsigned, by: 158.222.160.238 / talk

I'm sure they just wanted to metaphorically hang Mike Pence, just for funsies... ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:18, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
More seriously, you're the one spouting propaganda here. You're the one subscribing to conspiracies. Your the one talking out of his ass. Fucking grow up. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
It's fascinating to see how many idiots peremptorily wade in with "Trump didn't collude with Russia" when the investigations found that he very much did. I almost wonder if drive-by tripe like this isn't really about the article but about trying to more firmly plant the idea that Trump had no Russian ties. His adminstration trying to get out ahead of the Mueller report and lie about what it said took some brass neck, and I don't know whether there really are people so stupid that they believed it or whether it's just part of their inauthentic performance. Queexchthonic murmurings 16:36, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
No doubt the riot was a shitstorm of yahoos, and many of the rioters were indeed dumb propaganda fueled yahoos and nothing more. But the revealed details behind the Oath Keepers "seditious conspiracy" charge alone should put to rest any "just a riot that got out of control" narrative. PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 18:14, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
"nobody was armed with guns" That's just straight up false. Pence and Pelosi were also explicit targets.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:40, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
A common theme on this website seems to be rabid partisanship and detachment from reality. Do you really believe Trump (who IMO is a buffoon and voted against him twice) colluded with Russia? This is from the 2019 Mueller Report itself "we stated in the report that the investigation did not establish that the Trump Campaign coordinated with the Russian government in its election interference activities". Also from reliable source thehill.com debunking the Trump-Russia collusion conspiracy theory "Special counsel Robert Mueller said in his highly anticipated report that Russia sought to help President Trump win the 2016 presidential election, but that the Trump campaign did not directly assist in that process." Also here is the very well-respected Robert Mueller lying about WMD in Iraq. https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4740652/user-clip-mueller-wmd-21103 The corrupt deep state is real, not a conspiracy, many ppl across the political spectrum are aware of this fact and are waking up to the reality including radical right-wingers like Dennis Kucinich and Glenn Greenwald. https://greenwald.substack.com/p/after-the-deep-state-sabotaged-his. Kucinich on the U.S. deep state: "The political process of the United States of America [is] under attack by intelligence agencies and individuals in those agencies...You have politicization of agencies that is resulting in leaks from anonymous, unknown people and the intention is to take down a president...Now this is very dangerous to America. It's a threat to our republic, it constitutes a clear and present danger to our way of life". Don't believe what you hear and read in mainstream corporate U.S. media, they lie and have corrupt elitist agendas. 158.222.160.238 (talk) 05:41, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
sigh --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 06:10, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
That's interesting. We shouldn't believe what we hear in corporate media. Then how do we get information on international affairs? Subscribe to Glenn Greenwald, the Russophile? We know that Trump is a very stupid man, who is unable to read more than a few sentences at a time, from the reports of his own staff. I wonder why you care about Trump and his followers? They are all truly fucked.UncleKrampus (talk) 21:45, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
OMG how dare someone be a Russophile (you sound like a xenophobe, or maybe you are even worse, maybe you are a "racist" and you should be banned because rationalwiki loves labeling everyone who has right-of-center views on racial issues a "racist" or "white supremacist"). You don't have to believe what i'm saying about the Trump-Russia conspiracy theory, just read the words of the people who put out the report that prove no collusion/conspiracy between Trump and Russia occurred e.g. "Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election" and "Russia sought to help Trump win but did not collude with 2016 campaign".https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/439544-mueller-russia-sought-to-help-trump-win-2016-election-but-did-not A lot of people on this website are clueless if they think no military-industrial complex/deep state exists in the U.S (btw most ppl outside of U.S. know this massive corruption exists). Anyway like i mentioned previously they are the same power elite behind the WMD in Iraq lies in 2002/2003.158.222.160.238 (talk) 11:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
The report makes it very, very clear that tacit collusion (in the common sense, rather than the technical legal standards the report had to work to) occurred. The military-industrial complex - the 'power elite' in your weird parlance - is indeed very corrupt. It's also the same side that benefited from Trump/Russia. By downplaying the interference, you're doing their work for them, you muppet. Queexchthonic murmurings 12:41, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
@158.222.160.238 To the accusation of partisanship, has ever occured to you that A) the GOP might be based off of the whims of nutjobs and con men and B) some us might not like the Dems either? To think of politics purely in a partisan binary is to retard one's faculties. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 12:56, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
Well, this BoN did call Glenn Greenwald a "radical right winger", which IMHO is pretty idiotic. (IMHO he's more of a Chicken Little doom-and-gloom sensationalist type than anything else.) Trump's a dummy overall, but for some reason he's able to attract a lot of ass-kissing yes men who are happy to do his dirty work for him. "The Trump campaign colluded with Russia" is fair enough shorthand, IMHO, for what was (more or less) willing support from Trump's stooges to wink and nudge at Russia's efforts at interfering with the 2016 election and beyond. Yes, this interference didn't quite reach the level of a coordinated conspiracy -- which allows for the Trump-friendly side to wiggle their finger and say, "it wasn't a collusion!" and the other side to say "it was!". (Never mind that there is no official crime of "collusion", so making a big deal about this particular word is moot). It's pretty clear, though, that Trump stooges like Michael Flynn, Paul Manafort and Roger Stone were a wee bit too comfortable talking to Russian stooges and hackers. Nothing obviously illegal to bring about election conspiracy charges, but unethical enough for them to feel the need to make false statements about it to official investigators (and ending up getting dinged for that). PanGalacticGargleBlaster (talk) 14:32, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
This BoN has nothing batter to do I see. I'm surprised he hasn't tried to vandalize the Mueller Report article.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 20:54, 31 January 2022 (UTC)
As far as Greenwald being a radical right-winger, that's called "irony". It's also the same side that benefited from Trump/Russia - but wouldn't Russia be against the U.S. military-industrial-complex? I'm confused by your sentence what are you trying to get at? 158.222.160.238 (talk) 11:12, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
It's the US right that's tightest with the military-industrial complex. It's the Republicans that push military spending through the roof when they can, much moreso than the Democrats. The Russians don't give two shits about US hawkishness because there's no realistic prospect of an all-out war, and proxy wars benefit both the Kremlin and the US hawks. The entire point of the military-industrial complex is that it benefits from both war and the threat of war, win, lose or draw. Russia's motivation in helping Trump get elected is obvious: few things could damage their greatest rival more than being led by an incompetent clown with the attention span of a mayfly. Trump never was an outsider in any meaningful sense; he was the swamp he claimed he wanted to drain. As so often is the case with the right wing, his waffle about the 'deep state' was projection; nobody benefitted more from unaccountable backroom horse-trading than he did; he pretended it was his opponents doing it to try and pre-empt any examination of his own actions. You need to learn that 'military-industrial complex' and 'GOP' are close to interchangeable. Queexchthonic murmurings 11:24, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
I agree, that's why i hate the GOP and Trump (also their economic stance is too pro-wealthy and social issues e.g. i'm very much pro-choice and pro-LGBT). But do people here really think politicians like Biden (who supported the illegal Iraq war in 2003) or Clinton or Democrat elitists aren't also big fans of the deep state? Look at what Biden is doing now with Russia. To be clear i don't like autocrats like Putin but is this Ukraine thing really worth it for U.S. to get involved? 158.222.160.238 (talk) 11:43, 1 February 2022 (UTC)
The error in all 'deep state' hypotheses is in assuming there exists a centrally-controlled organisation operating to some plan, which people are either a part of or not. The reality is there's just a bunch of rich, amoral assholes serving their own interests piecemeal. Some politicians are similarly amoral and have no problems with mutual back-scratching, others accept that they have to deal with that reality and imagine themselves pragmatists. There's no 'deep state' to be a fan of, in reality. The root problem is corporate capture of politics in general in the US; military companies are just the biggest dogs in the pound. I'm a firm believer that corporate entities should be banned from making political donations, and that personal donations should be capped low, maybe $1k a year. Queexchthonic murmurings 11:56, 1 February 2022 (UTC)

proud boys 6MWE shirt was taken somewhere else[edit]

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/proud-boy-6mwe/ the photo was captured in DC but took place in 2020 so its unrelated to the riot. — Unsigned, by: Meltedfire / talk / contribs