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"We were the first nationally distributed spring water brand bottled in 100% post consumer recycled regenerate™ plastic (R-PET) completely eliminating our reliance on petroleum and virgin resources."
from here Am I misunderstanding or are they claiming that they use purely recycled plastic and therefore don't cause pollution? Surely that means that they rely on other companies not using recycled plastic and, unless they buy back or otherwise collect the used containers, then they are delaying, not removing, the pollution.

There's some really lovely woo on the site:
"... Both physical things and non physical unseen things in their purest and most basic form is simply a vibrating mass of energy that consistently produces and emits a frequency.

In other words energy vibrates. The vibrational nature of energy creates a frequency."

That Lex guy might regret drawing attention to it like that: I think I'll dig in a bit more tomorrow. It's lovely! Sheesh!! 01:16, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

We can surely use some of Lex Luthor's edits (quotes) to further mock the product? ħuman

05:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Many people are promoting being "down" with bottled water. Some have even suggested putting a ban on it. When asked why, people generally say that it's the plastic. The use of petroleum, and the plastic in the landfills. Well, here is something to consider, only one third of one percent of the plastic in land fills is bottled water. The rest is plastic from everyday items such as shampoo bottles, make up, razors, detergent, deodorant, office supplies, cleansers, toys, etc, etc. etc. and the list truly goes on and on and on.

Do we put a ban on toys? Do we put a ban on deodorant? Shampoo? Toothbrushes? It seems that the REAL problem is that people are not informed. And by that we mean informed of where they can recycle, or how very important recycling is. Some cities even have recycling bins as part of the weekly trash pick up. Which is great. But also consider the other drinks people drink. Soda (plastic), Smart Water (plastic), Vitamin Water (plastic), Juice (plastic), Milk (plastic), and the list goes on and on... do we ban all of these too?

The answer is simple... People must stop complaining, stop pointing the finger and start recycling. Start coming up with solutions, new eco ideas, and be a voice that also takes action within the community, workplace, and schools. Utilize the recycling stream to create products and containers that are made from recycled materials and eliminate the depletion of our natural resources. And support companies that do.

At H2Om water, we are doing our part by bottling our water in 100% recycled material. Regenerate™ is a safe 100% recyclable, no leach, BPA-free, reusable PET1 container. And we do not use foreign virgin resources like petroleum in the process. We are also doing our part by providing our customers with eco-resources and education, places to recycle, easy tips to create a better sustainable healthy lifestyle. The basic concept is that specially designed positive-themed labels encourage customers to create intention as part of their day. The H2Om motto "Think it while you Drink it"® inspires you to use the words on the label as a simple reminder to harness the power of your own positive thoughts.

We wish tap water was cleaner, but unfortunately most city water has residual traces of pharmaceuticals, birth control pills, lead, rocket fuel, fluoride, chloramines, and the list goes on, and most over the counter filters don't remove all those. That's the sole reason we provide natural spring water, so people can count on having a clean source of fresh pure water. If you have great clean tap water, then we recommend using a refillable container. (you can also get one here on our site) They can last a lifetime! All of our products are BPA-free, no leach, and 100% recyclable (including our refillables) , so if you choose to throw them away, all you have to do it put them in the recycling and you are doing your part, too.

Our hopes are to provide a resource for you whether it be on where to recycle, or where to get clean water, or where to pick up products which encourage you to live from a healthy lifestyle that incorporates putting your attention to creating intention in your life. It can lead to a happier healthier life, and mother earth and the children of tomorrow will thank you, too!

Seems like there is nothing rational about your skepticism. There is a difference between a skeptic and a hater. I am skeptical of people who believe they know what is possible and what is not. This belief leads to dogmatism, and to the dismissal of ideas and evidence that do not fit in. Genuine skepticism involves an attitude of open-minded enquiry into what we do not understand, and this is the approach I try to follow. I've already taken too much time trying to share details of this business and its positive nature. Good luck with your site, I'm sure many will follow your lead of resentment and fear. ^{— Unsigned, by: LexLang / talk / contribs}

It's chiefly the effin' price that gets me: $19.95 for 405.6fl.oz (about 12 litres).? A regenerative filter or even distillation would probably be cheaper. Over here in the UK our water quality is excellent anyhow. 17:53, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Forgot: transporting it? Lorryloads of water crossing countries? 18:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

A con job made out of recycled plastic, is still a con job. If all you claimed to do was sell bottled water in recycled plastic we wouldn't care anything about you. But that is not what you are doing, you are claiming to sell something with magical properties and you are using pseudoscience to promote it. Whether your lying or just ignorant it doesn't really matter, but what you are selling is bullshit. Stop claiming magical properties for your water and we will have no issues. Emoto is crank not a scientist. tmtoulouse 18:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Trent hit the nail on the head. It's not that we think your product is poison, we don't like your pseudoscientific and therefore dishonest advertising approach. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 18:05, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

City water contains traces of rocket fuel? Goodness. Wisest time Hoover! 18:41, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Energy/Matter line[edit]

The line “They also confuse matter with energy, stating that "energy is the building block of everything.” Should probably be removed because energy is the building block of everything. E=MC² and all that good jazz. (I'm still new to wikis btw. If I put this in here wrong, please let me know) 32.97.110.60 (talk) 22:36, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Well all e=mc² just shows that matter is equivalent to energy, but they are no means the same thing, matter can be converted into energhy and vice versa, but they are not the same, the visible universe is not made of energy (well most of the universe is in the form of dark energy) but matter has properties wildly different than energy. This remains true in the early universe (i mean for the first 5 minutes of the universe) it is not that today. Matter is the building block of anything tangible, therefore it makes up the universe, while energy powers it. Bubba41102 ^{Taste the shortness} 23:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry about the long response, i ws haviung trouble getting my thoughts across and i didn't bother to delete any, :) Bubba41102 ^{Taste the shortness} 23:29, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. As a cosmology buff, I tend to think back to the very first moments of the universe when the phrase "building blocks" gets thrown around but I can see that, for all practical intents and purposes, you're correct. 32.97.110.60 (talk) 00:38, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Unless this company secretly has the technology to go back in time to the beginning of the universe , ~~sadly that cant be true~~ ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW THE TRUTH KNOW THAT THIS COMPANY IS WITHHOLDING TIME TRAVEL TECHNOLOGY FROM THE SHEEPLE WAKE UP WORLD!!!!! Bubba41102 ^{Taste the shortness} 02:07, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

the effin price?[edit]

.83 cents for a half liter bottle. If you buy bottled water, that's a lot less expensive and you get all the benefits of the brand values. ^{— Unsigned, by: LexLang‎ / talk / contribs}

benefits of brand values: Analogy: McDonalds is the best food by benefit of brand value. Silly! 18:06, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You can buy a 24-pack of bottled water for about $4 American (less if you shop around). That's 16 cents per bottle, 80% less than your product. I'd call that expensive, wouldn't you? Colonel of Squirrels^{禁止不是法西斯} 18:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Let's do the math: The average American apparently drinks 21 gallons of bottled water per year. That's 2,688 fl oz. If the average American were to get all their bottled water from the 24-packs that H2Om provides, they'd be spending $132.21 per year. If the average American were to get all their bottled water from the 24-packs that, say, Walgreens provides, they'd be spending $26.44 per year. Going with the latter option would save the average American $105.77 per year. Apply that over a few years time, and you could be buying yourself something nice with the money saved. ~SuperHamster Talk 18:39, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Magical properties?[edit]

There are no clams of magical properties. go read http://www.h2omwater.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46&Itemid=53 from the site. We specifically say that there are no magic properties or elixers added. The science we talk about comes from Stanford, Berkeley and Penn State Universities and the Wall Street Journal Science Journals. Emoto is old news, the university scientists have shown in double blind studies that everything in its basic form is made of vibrating matter and that matter is effected by other vibrating matter including music, images, and our thoughts. H2Om did not, and does not claim to have made that up.^{— Unsigned, by: LexLang‎ / talk / contribs}

Please sign talk page entries using four tildes like this: ~~~~ or by clicking on the sign button:

, on the toolbar above the edit panel. Thank you. 18:10, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Repeat:

"... Both physical things and non physical unseen things in their purest and most basic form is simply a vibrating mass of energy that consistently produces and emits a frequency. In other words energy vibrates. The vibrational nature of energy creates a frequency."

= WOO!. 18:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Wait, wait....I am serious here, I would love, to see any double blind study about the nature of sub-atomic physics. Hell any double blind study conducted on physics would do, even Newtonian I don't care. tmtoulouse 18:12, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Does LexLang even know what double blind means, I wonder? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 18:16, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

All he/she knows is that "double blind" is the scientific key word for "good study" and so tosses it around at random. However, I am having way too much funny coming up with scenarios for attempted "double blind studies" for particle physics. Damn ethics committees would ruin all the fun though. tmtoulouse 18:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

That would be hysterical; can we have a double blind study for gravity while we're at it? Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 18:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, it's quite simple. A number of rocks are collected, and then are randomly and blindly assigned to be placed either in a gravity well or in flat space. Robots will be used for this, naturally. The acceleration of each rock will then be measured, and the rocks in a gravity well will then be compared against the controls in flat space. Wisest time Hoover! 19:17, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

That sounds like it would be testing whether rocks are susceptible to gravity, not that gravity itself exists; you would have to assume that to perform the experiment. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 17:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

wait a minute ! vibrating stuff may create a sound , thats true. dunno about the non-physical unseen things ? maybe they mean atoms ? sounds wooish though. What was wrong with washing bottles ? Milk and soda used to come in nice glass bottles that seemed to stay cold longer, and you just returned bottles to the store and they got washed and used again. Now at least in my area all the plastic goes to the landfill because its not profitable for the county to recycle it. Hamster (talk) 18:32, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

your ignorance is astounding[edit]

as I said...There is a difference between a skeptic and a hater. I am skeptical of people who believe they know what is possible and what is not. This belief leads to dogmatism, and to the dismissal of ideas and evidence that do not fit in. Genuine skepticism involves an attitude of open-minded enquiry into what we do not understand, and this is the approach I try to follow. I've already taken too much time trying to share details of this business and its positive nature. It costs less than regular bottled water, it has an inspiring nature to it, it motivates people to have positive thoughts while providing clean spring water to drink. It is not available in the UK, but we are not source dependant, so if it were it would be a local spring that meets our purity criteria. And whenvever we ship we offset our carbon footprint (but you would know that if you looked at the website for more than 2 minutes. Good luck with your site, I'm sure many will follow your lead of resentment, anger and fear. ^{— Unsigned, by: LexLang / talk / contribs}

"it has an inspiring nature to it, it motivates people to have positive thoughts" Bollocks - it's WATER! 18:14, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, if water gets you high, you should try this stuff some time. It'll blow your open mind. Röstigraben (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Skepticism is about demanding sufficient quality of evidence before establishing a positive claim about something. What you are describing is credulity, simply accepting things without critical examination of the claims, logic, or evidence used to back it up. The onus is on the person making a specific claim about the nature of reality to provide sufficient evidence to support their claim. You do not provide such evidence, and instead try and market and sell a product based on such unsupported claims. Provide evidence or retract your claims and all will be well. I am perfectly happy to look at any actual evidence you want to provide. tmtoulouse 18:16, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

perhaps we could arrange a slightly blind study of water at varying temperatures ? The temperature changes the basic vibration rate of the water. Perhaps a test of colloidal gold in the water ? All marketing is based on making your product appear better than the competitors, even if its not. So a good clean water at a nice price is OK . Hamster (talk) 18:36, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Article improvement drive[edit]

So in honor of the visit by H2Om's PR rep, I say we bring this article up a notch or two? tmtoulouse 18:25, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Seconded. I'll get right on it, boss. Lord of the Goons ^{The official spikey-haired skeptical punk} 18:57, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

His link to the website is already comedy gold.

H2Om has everything to do with what you believe in. After all, that’s what makes it interactive, your thoughts, while you drink it. We don't add special potions, or bless the water before we deliver it to you, once you buy H2Om at the store, you let the label inspire you as you put your own belief and personal energy into it. At that moment two things happen, as you create your own personal intention while you drink in the delicious spring water, you are living in the “now", and you are naturally in a grateful state of being. You’ve created an energetic interaction with the element that sustains your life. Your body is completely receptive. You've created a vibration that puts the Laws of the Universe into action (The Law of Resonance and the Law of Attraction) And logically, as you absorb the water, you carry that “intent” with you throughout your day.

If you believe in such things, then you’ll agree this is the most inspiring water that’s ever been available. If you don’t believe in such things, you’ll certainly agree that it’s one of the very best tasting natural spring waters you’ve ever tasted. --Bob ^{Spring is sprung!} 19:02, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually reading it again it sounds like it's the label which is special.--Bob ^{Spring is sprung!} 19:04, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Lol, I was just about to say the same thing, Bob. Hmmm, maybe this can of Mountain Dew I'm drinking will be "Healing Mtn. Dew" so that, if I believe it heals enough, I can get over these damn allergies. AnarchoGoon ^{Swatting Assflys is how I earn my living} 19:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Tangents[edit]

Reading through their press page I noticed a few things. First there was an article from TIME which they imply endorses the idea of this "intentional" mumbo-jumbo. It doesn't, it quotes people who do believe but the overall tone tends towards the skeptical and ends up on a downer :

Still, not everyone is keen on the idea of packaging spirituality. Once the profit motive comes into play, "it's difficult to keep things pure," says George Churinoff, a monk at Deer Park Buddhist Center in Oregon, Wis., who was involved with Intentional Chocolate in its early stages. "Then [the product] may not be blessed in any way with motivation except maybe to make money."

Unfortunately the web article doesn't include the bit quoted about H2Om. So this leads me to the first fork - Intentional Chocolate - which I'm sure might be of interest to some around here. :)

The second topic is a quote from a "research scientist" at the Institute of Noetic Sciences which is probably worth following up.

Dean Radin, a senior scientist at the Institute of Noetic Sciences in Petaluma, Calif., conducted a test in which, he says, subjects who ate Intentional Chocolate improved their mood 67% compared with people who ate regular chocolate. "If the Pope blessed water, everyone wants that water. But does it actually do something?" Radin asks. "The answer is yes, to a small extent."

I'd do some of this myself but my satellite net connection is lousy and keeps timing out. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 19:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear, Dean Radin is an electrical engineer. Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 20:19, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh dear... ħuman

22:55, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

water facts[edit]

Their water facts page might make interesting reading. Did you know you use two gallons of water to brush your teeth? Though those are probably puny US gallons not mighty imperial ones. I'm pretty sure that I don't.--Bob ^{Spring is sprung!} 20:13, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

"You don't use water? Well, then how do you brush your teeth?" "A light Sauterne, Madam." Can't find the source: Anyone? 20:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

I suspect that the "two gallons of water to brush your teeth" assumes that you leave the tap on the whole time, a bad habit some people have. Colonel of Squirrels^{禁止不是法西斯} 20:32, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

To use 2 gallons of water brushing my teeth I think I'd have to leave the tap on, run the shower, and flush the toilet at least once.

23:01, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

really?[edit]

Wow, I really thought that to run a website such as yours you would need to be un-opinionated and have some form of logic when relating to new ideas. Bob-spring has sprung- seems to be one of the few people paying attention. So for the rest of you here we go...just like in kindergarten...

1st to Human Talk (under Quotes category) Further mock the product? is that you are about? mocking products? That's great (sarcasm)

2nd Susan (atheist, Small animal molester profile) Enough said... however, tap water is cheap to buy and bottle, hence your bulk pricing. Spring water, more expensive. I wish the world was a place that municipal water was clean, and free but it's not. look it up on google. search or http://www.nrdc.org/water/drinking/uscities.asp (this is the US)

3rd "it has an inspiring nature to it, it motivates people to have positive thoughts" Bollocks - it's WATER! 18:14, 6 September 2010 (UTC) SusanG Toast

Wow, if water gets you high, you should try this stuff some time. It'll blow your open mind. Röstigraben (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

are you that dense? OK I will lay it out for you... water in H2Om bottle ? -award winning spring water...label on H2Om bottle ? inspires positive thinking. pretty simple. Pricing ? ... normal for good spring water. (if we were a company the size of nestle we could sell it for 5 bucks a case, we sell it barely over our cost, and the profits go to charity.

4th Goonipunk2010... you express your ideas like you play bass in a punk band...I suppose you are a mechanical engineer or metalworker posing as an anarchist, grow up. Sorry about that.

5th Nutty_Roux, yes there are some oblivious people out there that let the tap run while brushing their teeth or washing up, and yes it wastes water. yes, up to 2 gallons. run the shower 20 gallons, flush the toilet 4-5 gallons (or as big as your tank)

6th It really saddens me that so much effort goes into bashing an item designed to provide clean water and a vehicle for positive thinking. No price gouging, no promises of magical water, the only water company around dedicating all of their resources to creating education on recycling (and using the recycling stream as it was intended) world water awareness and encouraging people to be a cause in the matter, as individuals and in their communities. And a carbon free company. here

and I am not the PR person from the company, I am the founder. Get inspired, life is way more fun when you shed the hater mentality. --LexLang (talk) 01:24, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

"4th Goonipunk2010... you express your ideas like you play bass in a punk band...I suppose you are a mechanical engineer or metalworker posing as an anarchist, grow up. Sorry about that. " Wow, you can read a userpage! Good job, Turing! Now if only you could argue at a level about that of a kindergartener, I'd actually care what you think about me! The Goonie 1 ^{What's this button do? Uh oh....} 01:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I bet life must be fun for you, if you are indeed the company founder. You get to make money by selling tap water for hyper-inflated prices. Only a sucker would think of buying your scam., but since there are plenty of suckers in the world, you get to live on easy street. --Onion^talk/edits 01:49, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

that was the joke...nevermind.--LexLang (talk) 01:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Hmm..."No price gouging"? I, for one, ~~don't really mind any of the aspects of H2Om~~ Nevermind, I just read the part about playing music for the water - that kinda scared me, save for its pricing. Based on what I said above, the average American, who apparently drinks 21 gallons of bottled water per year, would save over $100 per year if they go with the commonly-available, $3.99-priced 24-pack of 16.9 fl oz water bottles, as compared to H2Om's $19.95 price. As for being un-opinionated, that's the opposite of what we are. ~SuperHamster Talk 01:45, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

to each his or her own-----LexLang (talk) 01:52, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

The problem that our main criticism of your product is that it makes claims that go way beyond what you are saying on this talk page. If all you advertised was spring water in recyclable bottles we would never have written this article. What you have completely ignored and refused to address is our concern over your use of quantum woo and pseudoscience to promote claims about your water that goes way beyond anything remotely reasonable.

This page right here is right from your site. It is full of claims that are designed to sound like "science", that claim special properties of your water, but are not backed by any evidence anywhere. It is that page right there that makes your product bullshit, and frankly, a scam. Care to address your use of pseudoscience? tmtoulouse 02:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

And then there's the "water science" page, which claims that scientific studies and reputable universities have confirmed the woo behind your product, but offers nothing except a few quotes from cranks. How about citing just one peer-reviewed study that clearly demonstrates the effect of singing and praying (or whatever method you use) at water? Röstigraben (talk) 06:13, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

"to Human Talk (under Quotes category) Further mock the product? is that you are about? mocking products? That's great"

Mock the product since is completely shit, and your comments are fodder for such mockery. ħuman

04:26, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

final comments[edit]

well as we say many times on our site, if you believe in such things as vibration, resonance and water's receptivity then you'll think it's a spectacular product, if you don't then at the very least you'll agree it's great tasting spring water and a company with purpose. that's why we ask the question, what do you believe in?

side note: sorry if I hurt your feelings [human talk]

What we talk about on that page is nothing new, it all relates to the universal laws. (doctrines which have been observed for thousands of years) Some people believe in them and others don't. that's okay.

Universal Laws aren't in any way, shape or form "religious" in nature. They are of a "spiritual or holistic" nature for sure yet there is a tremendous difference in the two.

The Universal Laws and principles that govern every aspect of existence and which are responsible for determining your individual life as well as every event, condition and circumstance in the entire cosmos, operate with the same precise, predictable and unwavering certainty, making no distinctions, judgments or determinations as to who, how, when or what they work for.

They aren't discerning and have no capability for determining what is logical, reasonable, rational or feasible.

They are inescapable, unwavering and are at work 100% of the time regardless of your awareness of or ignorance to them. Their perfect, precise, consistent and unwavering operation make no judgments or determinations based on your age, color, creed, geographical location, education, gender, religious preference, social status, etc. etc. etc.

Just as electricity or gravity make no distinctions or judgments as to WHO they work for, Universal Laws operate in the same precise, immutable and unwavering fashion. and they work best in conjunction with each other.

http://www.abundance-and-happiness.com/law-of-vibration.html http://www.abundance-and-happiness.com/law-of-attraction.html http://www.abundance-and-happiness.com/cause-and-effect.html http://www.abundance-and-happiness.com/law-of-resonance.html http://www.abundance-and-happiness.com/law-of-growth.html http://www.abundance-and-happiness.com/law-of-abundance.html http://www.abundance-and-happiness.com/law-of-polarity.html http://www.abundance-and-happiness.com/law-of-reciprocity.html

I wish all of you the best, and whoever is in charge of the H2Om page on this wiki site, please if you can, try to provide a more well rounded explanation of what H2Om is really about. Award winning spring water, in an eco-friendly container (no virgin resources and utilizing the recycling stream to bring you a BPA free no leach bottle) with labels designed to encourage you to have positive thoughts. The vibration hydration aspect is merely provided as a bonus. cheers! --LexLang (talk) 06:20, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

That's all we hope to achieve, Led. Best of luck.

But that website is "abundance-and-happiness.com..." you're really just setting yourself up. Blue (pester) 06:31, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

you can google universal laws and you will find many, but that is a site (that we do not own) that has a comprehensive explanation of them on it.--LexLang (talk) 06:40, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

That site (abundance etc)

"Much of the knowledge, insight and wisdom that Chuck has acquired isn't taught in traditional colleges and universities.

"He doesn’t possess a PHD in psychology, an MBA in physics, or a Masters in biology.

'nuff said. WOO! 08:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Well, he can be excused for not having an MBA in physics. Röstigraben (talk) 08:36, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Just a quote from the site. I smiled. 08:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Except its all just random stuff people have made up through a combination of wishful thinking and gullibility. I could claim that I am a giant pink elephant with a penchant for poker, but that doesn't make it true. Evidence is the name of the game, and not only is there a lack of evidence for any of these "laws" but most of them violate fundamental principles for which we have ample evidence. 72.38.27.39 (talk) 06:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

And yet again, you make some very sweeping claims about forces determining what happens in reality without a single shred of evidence to back that up. You can appeal to magical thinking all you want, it's not going to imrove your position one bit when it comes to evidence-based reasoning. On your website, you essentially try to sell people a belief system, and here, you suddenly turn around and argue that it's really just good-quality water and that we should ignore all of the intangible "features". It doesn't work that way. Röstigraben (talk) 07:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Ooooh, thanks for the one-stop shopping woobsite! We should have articles on all those "laws"! ħuman

17:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

"...operate with the same precise, predictable and unwavering certainty..." If this is true, then it wouldn't matter if one believed in the magical properties of the water or not, it would have exactly the same effect. To use your example, gravity operates regardless of one's belief in it. ħuman 17:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

But you forget the woo master's get out of jail free card, the predictable unwavering law is that what you believe is true. tmtoulouse 17:14, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Charitee[edit]

It would be interesting to find the accounts for H20M and for the "Love foundation" as the former claims to donate to charity and the latter to be solely for charity. Is this possible in the US? Not suggesting any impropriety, of course, but just out of interest. 06:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

With all the airline security ballyhoo about carrying liquids, last time I travelled through Heathrow (I think) they were selling bottled water (50p for 500ml) with the proceeds all going to a water charity. If you want to feel better about drinking bottles water isn't nice to know that you are helping someone else. This law of attraction BS seems to be more about helping yourself. So I would like to think that any charitable donations would be going to something like this.

Генгис^{RationalWiki GOLD member} 10:21, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I thought that was final comments but I am wrong...[edit]

Always Watching...

maybe I'm just tired... but (not all of you) but some of you are really working with very little in the brains department. I wont mention any names-SusanG (atheist, Small animal molester profile) Enough said... Good luck, everyone! Peace be with you.^{— Unsigned, by: LexLang / talk / contribs}

Keep your eye on us, Lex, we'll be here a while yet. 07:07, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

will do...--LexLang (talk) 07:10, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

peace to you too , Susan...

--LexLang (talk) 07:12, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

If I hadn't looked him up I would definitely think this guy was a sub-teen running loose on his daddy's internet connection. Does he think that everyone's gonna think his bloody water is better for being sung at? Or for having an inspirational label? Or for being twice the price of other similar water? A bear of little brain indeed. Oh but lots of woo!

If he just said "We charge more and give the difference to charity" without all the crap, he'd be on a winner.

Oh and: "Methinks he doth protest too much" If he hadn't caused a stir, no-one would have bothered about him and his dihydrogen oxide but that's what you get if you poke a sleeping ~~bear~~ goat. 08:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

A compromise[edit]

Lex, how about this then:

You remove all such nonsense new age pseudoscientific woo from your product, and instead promote it as "Water in a recycled bottle". (and also stop sounding pathetic by throwing the word "hater" about)

And then we will:

Rewrite the article to say "H20m is water in a recycled bottle. The manufacturer used to claim....."

Do we have a deal?
PS. Are you familiar with the Streisand effect? DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 08:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

have fun!--LexLang (talk) 08:39, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

We are, I do love the Streisand effect. There's other people read us you know. This page should give them a laugh. 08:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

farewell my ...friends?[edit]

sleeping bear... barbara streisand... blah blah blah...blog blog blog...

the ONLY reason I have been having this conversation is so that you, people whom seemingly care about getting information correct, would have a chance to get information directly from the company. YES, I understand you think the laws of attraction and products that are related are a bunch of woo, but I thought you might like to know the product better, mainly to realize that it goes WAY beyond woo. In this world of so many products that are just plain crap, I thought you would like to know one that you thought was crap, actually had some value to it.

in Hollywood we have the Jack Nicholson effect: that's when someone knows their true value and doesn't really care much about what other people think.

my communicating with you was a gesture of good will.

Peace, out... --LexLang (talk) 09:50, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

If you were to say "It's great-tasting water in a recyclable bottle" then nobody would have any objections. It's the use of non-existent and imaginary science that people object to.

Take something from the beginning of your "vibration hydration"

Beyond All The Mind Bending Scientific Equations, Man Made Laws, Doctrines, Dogmas and Analyzing It's ALL Very Simple...EVERYTHING Is Energy and Frequency. When you understand it and learn to "consciously" apply it, you can experience that power for yourself through the events, conditions and circumstances that unfold in your life.

What is it even supposed to mean? To what does the "it" at the beginning of the sentence even refer? What "power"? It's just meaningless.

Also remember that many people here have either a scientific background or an interest in science and don't take the misuse of scientific terms lightly.--Bob ^{Spring is sprung!} 10:01, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

And here I was thinking we were having this conversation because you wanted to turn this article into an advertisement and were constantly reverted. We actually do care about "information from the company" - the whole article deals with it - it's just that it's not going to be taken at face value, and if it turns out to be pseudoscientific nonsense, then that's what the article will say. Röstigraben (talk) 10:44, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

@LexLang: I think it's hysterical that you refused to address the points that everyone has been making and then decided to leave claiming the moral high ground. Tetronian ^{you're clueless} 12:33, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

*Cough* creationist style *cough* DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 12:47, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Epiphany![edit]

I think we might have been a bit closed-minded over the claims of this product; I left a glass of water (from a water cooler fed from the mains water supply) in front of the radio whilst Lenny Kravitz Are you gonna go my way was on. I've just drank it now I feel the overwhelming urge to go Lenny's way! Good job it wasn't Metallica Kill 'em all or something like that, the consequences could've been horrendous! DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 11:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I just had a glass of water while a colleague was playing NWA - Fuck the Police. Can someone bail me out please? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 13:08, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Maybe we should play Electric Six Gay Bar to a bottle of water and send it to Lex? DeltaStar_{Senior Sysop}^{Speciationspeed!} 13:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

fair use?[edit]

Time used a rather ironic image and the same image appears twice on the H2Om web page. The attribution is not clear. Could we use it under "fair use"?--Bob ^{Spring is sprung!} 17:59, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

It's by This guy "MARK MATCHO has been an illustrator for 20 years, and has pretty much worked for every dern magazine out there, at one point or another. He lives in Pasadena with his cat, Skinny, and likes Thai food, English crime dramas, Italian motorcycles, Japanese wristwatches, and American guitars." Wonder if he knows it's there? 18:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Mark Matcho? Does he have ma-cheese-mo? Crundy^{Talk nerdy to me} 19:51, 7 September 2010 (UTC)