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"Incel" vs "Inceldom"[edit]

@Spud @Westnichefaise Talk it out. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:28, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

I don't think there's a disagreement between us. Spud seemed to oppose the quote change. I dropped the quote change and merely changed it to a mass noun. I think its useful to discuss as a mass noun rather than countable noun since people seem to view it as a topic. @Westnichefaise Westnichefaise (talk) 17:07, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
@Westnichefaise Yes. Just don't change quotes. That is all. Spud (talk)
That's great! I guess we agree. I won't change the quote. I will simply change the countable noun to a mass noun. Westnichefaise (talk) 07:16, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
oop didnt see this, keep it as incel makes the most sense to me instead of inceldom, cheers!Neiltyson1fan (talk) 21:00, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Lede[edit]

Hello @Ariel31459 I see you are a good faith contributor, lets talk about your citation so we can add it in a way that is accurate. Typically re-introductions of terms arent particularly notable for a lede. Regardless, this is original research on your part as your citation does not say it was decades before the last use of the term. Only rationalwiki says that. Additions to this article should be based on sources. Alana is mentioned in the article, do you have something interesting and informative to add about her using a reliable source? If so, please include it in the relevant section. The lede is not for historical miscellania usally.Neiltyson1fan (talk) 16:48, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

OK. Not a big deal. I just thought it was interesting.Ariel31459 (talk) 20:28, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Terminology[edit]

With what proportion of incels is the 'involuntary' accurate? (ie they 'annoy or worse' women.) Anna Livia (talk) 19:43, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Lol[edit]

How is anybody truly an incel in a world where there are people who will shove their ding dong in anything that has a hole, and vice versa? Now, if you wanted to argue that there's people in this world who can't find anybody attractive... I mean, that's called asexuality though. 71.215.77.190 (talk) 18:38, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

The incel's think the "vice versa" doesn't happen. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:50, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
Those people just need to discover Las Vegas. 169.198.254.65 (talk) 23:19, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
No. They don't. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 23:21, 25 March 2019 (UTC)
IP - do you include this?
To what extent is inceldom a negativie state of mind (and feeling 'everybody else' is having 'a right ding dong' but not them and #them women# are (insert sexist terms of choice)). Anna Livia (talk) 00:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
@GrammarCommie, you must be from Las Vegas, lol. 169.198.254.66 (talk) 00:59, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
No, I'm not. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:14, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
These people actually need to discover basically anywhere that isn't insular Internet communities. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:12, 26 March 2019 (UTC)
Are all dating sites (as well as all social networks for that matter) "insular Internet communities"? Because for a lot of men it is like that: you can literally message every single woman there and get a 100% rejection rate, like literally from everyone, even from overweight grannies.
That statement above about "shoving ones ding dong in anything that has a hole" does stand true for men though, that's why some incels (as in, men who women won't have sex with) start having sex with men out of despair.— Unsigned, by: Asdjfo8a439 / talk / contribs
If you're the type of idiot that messages every single woman on an Internet site with some variation of "wanna fuck?", then, no, you won't get very far. Women are flooded with that shit on any message board that has a whiff of sex and relationships in it (at least, that's my wife's perspective, which is why she won't bother with those type of places.)
From my perspective, the incel community seems to have an often comical, ridiculous view of human sexuality and relationships. I mean, that Chad and Stacy shit is almost straight out of some 1980s teen sex comedy (the stupid kind with jock and cheerleader stereotypes).
Basically, from my perspective, the best way out of inceldom is to find a hobby other than bitching about not getting laid. 72.184.174.199 (talk) 18:00, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

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inane ramblings[edit]

This is the most inane bullshit. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 21:34, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

Bad "psychology"[edit]

This article says that about 28% of men and women between the ages of 15 and 24 "are sexless," which I presume means, in the case of the males, most of them are incels. That is to say, their celibacy is not by choice. The suggestion that this condition presents prima facie as a psychological disorder is dubious. The compilation of violent incidents attributed to incels reminds me of the fact that most serial killers are white men. This is true, but not really useful.Ariel31459 (talk) 15:54, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

You're right, there needs to be affirmative action for young white males who are unable to find a partner. — Unsigned, by: 2607:FB90:A889:4BE9:4061:A6D:A49B:A52D / talk
No. There doesn't. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:16, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
This is hilariously stupid. Well done, BoN. Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 22:12, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

r/braincels[edit]

Should I remove the link to r/braincels, now that it is banned? (And maybe add a link and mentions to r/shortcels) --Electros (talk) 00:49, 13 November 2019 (UTC) EDIT: If no feedback is received, I shall edit it tomorrow.

Seemed you forgot to, yea good idea.Neiltyson1fan (talk) 23:00, 30 November 2019 (UTC)
r/shortcels apparently is now private so you need an invite just to see anything there. --Logos (talk) 17:40, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
They are basically gone from Reddit nowNeiltyson1fan (talk) 14:27, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Foid[edit]

Just came across the words Foid and its plural Foids. Apparently it's incels' term for Female Humanoid. Anyone else heard of it? Is it worthy of reference on this page? Scream!! (talk) 18:17, 8 February 2020 (UTC)

It sounds like a shortening of "femoid", which I swear has been used, but can't find it in the manosphere glossary. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 02:09, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Linking incels.co or (online) blackpill related sites directly should be avoided imo[edit]

Incels.co threads frequently call for mass murder and other illegal stuff, who knows what else is on those sites, so don't think they should be directly linked, cleaned up previous writing of mine. The other sites they own was also removed as I'm not here to advertize them and they're dying anyway. Neiltyson1fan (talk) 03:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia also takes this stance and purposefully never links to them once. Neiltyson1fan (talk) 03:52, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Neiltyson1fan promotes his own wiki and websites here while deleting competing websites[edit]

I have good reason to believe that Neiltyson1fan wants to suppress competing websites and promote his own websites Yourenotalone.co and Incelwiki.com using this page. I believe that this person is the same person that used to admin our wiki, incels.wiki. I go by Master there and I have no intent on hiding my identity unlike he has here.

I am happy to provide proof here of my claims, and I'm confident that I know that this is the former admin of our wiki. We had a dispute and he went on to create his own incel wiki @ incelwiki.com while we continue to maintain the current one at incels.wiki. His attempts at suppressing our websites while promoting his are clear to see with his edits attempting to remove incels.co from this page and the links to our wiki and our forum.

I have never attempted to suppress his wiki or forum while editing here, but he seems hellbent on trying to keep our wiki off the pages as evident in the Fossil Record. He wrote our wiki off as "inactive" or "no recent edits" as justification to removed our wiki from the page, but our wiki is just as relevant to this page as his.

As for our forum, it should have a link to it just as his forum is linked and listed prominently in this article. The Fossil Record clearly documents that he has been trying to "rewrite" and game this page for months now and he uses it as a promotional tool for his websites. So I propose 2 possible solutions to this problem:

[1] Remove all external links to mentioned websites or forums, including ours.

[2] Allow linkage of all external websites relevant to this article like it was before this person made edits to this page.JoesphR (talk) 13:04, 17 December 2020 (UTC)


JoesphR, you conveniently didn't mention the site you work with, which is incels.me/incels.is/incels.co. You do tech work for them and act as their front guy.

incels.co/incels.me mentioned here: https://mashable.com/article/incels-me-domain-suspended-by-registry/

"The registry says the domain [incels.me] was suspended over anti-abuse policy infractions based on the promotion of acts of violence and hate speech on the website. Incels.me has been inaccessible since Oct. 15."
The way Wikipedia deals with your sites is by making a conscious effort to not link to them or to misspell them. Rather than misspell your sites, I made the decision not to link them anymore.
I wrote almost this entire article with no drama, added links to your sites, and then removed them. That isn't exactly suppressing imho.
According to someone in the CVE community, you don't pay for the sites you PR, some guy named 'serge' does, so not sure why you want an abridged version of Incel Wiki advertized that you do not seem to pay for, but rather do once-twice per year tech/theming work on. Also my RW identity isn't secret/hidden, it's just common wiki courtesy to edit on the merits of writing rather than resort to personal anecdotes. And on that, the incels.wiki domain is simply an abridged version of incelwiki.com, and so there is no reason to mention it, considering it was hijacked and the main registered creators/admins/users moved to .com.Neiltyson1fan (talk) 15:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
I'll not revert your recent additions only because I know you'll continue to edit war if I do, and dont have the energy for that. Neiltyson1fan (talk) 15:25, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Also, you acting like I'm a rogue disgruntled guy doesn't make any sense as their are plenty of places explaining that I co-created incels.wiki (before it was taken) as well as incelwiki.com, regardless of which tech admins booted me from where. For example, this interview here https://jyvurentropy.home.blog/2020/12/18/interview-with-the-creator-of-the-incel-wiki/ Neiltyson1fan (talk) 15:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
We've given you the option to leave the radical guys and join us, but you prefer to hold an abridged wiki hostage as of today. Neiltyson1fan (talk) 15:43, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
I'm not holding anything hostage. I was forthcoming with my identity and only trying to add relevant information about our community, which is the biggest incel community on the internet. It simply doesn't make sense to scrub that from this page and not name it. The drama with the wikis aside doesn't automatically make our wiki irrelevant. I believe it's important to document and list all relevant communities in the incel sphere without removing X community for Y or ABC determined this community Y, therefore, it has to be removed. I'm not here to play those games. What you attempted to do here is an attempt to bury other communities to your own benefit.
You keep pushing this narrative about the wiki being stolen when we clearly came to an agreement on your departure. We let you fork our wiki and now you're trying to delete us from the internet in retaliation.
What merits are there for striking a competition community and wiki from a page about incels? Your personal vendetta obviously got in the way when a RationalWiki moderator had to revert the removal of our information from this page by you. It's obvious what you're trying to do.
You clearly own Yourenotalone.co and Incelwiki.com, but you won't admit that. Your sites are just as relevant as ours. Why not just leave it at that? JoesphR (talk) 18:56, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
ok, incels.wiki....
This is rehashing arguments over a simple fact that myself and thebreeze wrote the vast majority of it, did all the management sans checking backlinks, and recruited the users, who, as far as activity, almost exclusively did not come from any forums you help host.
I left this the RW message you are responding to before our nice talk today. I didn't leave your discord room because i was angry, I left on a good note over owning a cat, wishing everyone well, and wanted to leave it at that. We'll leave your sites up, but I do not, in the long term, want to advertise any wikis which are primarily using the work of people outside of blackpill boards against our wishes (Thebreeze from incelswithouthate and me from leftyincel/yourenotalone/incelsupport/love-shy etc). A lot of people are leaving the blackpill boards because it is a toxic mindset and the foundations of it are mostly false (eg 80/20 rule etc). And yes, the forums you are associated with are popular and you and serge personally have a lot of strengths. If the blackpill is your and serge's main concern, a blackpill wiki would be more appropiate than an incel wiki as both this page and the wikis consider consider 'incel' more clinically than as blackpillers and media consider it more a culture. If .wiki were an open wiki, or if I wasn't told in PMs that I owned the wiki multiple times (not "managed", you used the terms like "owned"), this conversation wouldn't be happening. For now though, I have no reason to continue this drama as everything is ok Neiltyson1fan (talk) 01:33, 21 December 2020 (UTC)

Incels.co/incels.me IP editing this page to promote their sites[edit]

Will let someone else deal with this, don't have the energy Neiltyson1fan (talk) 15:46, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

Only adding back what you removed JoesphR (talk) 19:02, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
After doing some research, it appears you, an admin of incels.co/incels.me, or a proxy have made edits here, pretending to be someone else, trying to stir up confusion and drama to escalate your grievance, which includes direct contradictions to your writing above. No one fell for it. Please do not propagate misinfo because you felt I was censoring you by removing my own writing on here. The issue is finished and wish you all the best. Neiltyson1fan (talk) 02:48, 21 December 2020 (UTC)