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Richard Burgess, better known as Vegan Gains, is an Antiguan-Canadian[1] vegan activist, bodybuilder and YouTuber. His channel has over 66 million views, and 320 thousand subscribers.

He is known for his highly-charged videos about bodybuilding and vegan nutrition, his diatribes and meltdowns against those he disagrees with (which includes "SJW" ideas, non-vegans, and other vegan YouTubers) and his abhorrent behaviour and attitudes toward other human beings in general.

In 2021, Burgess claimed that he agrees with killing carnivorous animals if it reduces "rights" violations. He also said he agrees with killing mice populations if the mice are damaging peoples property or eating human food (crops).[2][3]

Vegan Gains or Vegan Ghoul?[edit]

When his 82-year-old grandfather was suffering from a fatal heart attack, Burgess video-recorded the event and intended to post it online in order to use his grandpa as an example of what happens to meat-eaters.[4] Unsurprisingly, it was soon deleted at the request of his family. However, he later explained that his grandfather was abusive to him throughout his life and that this was a reason he filmed him on his deathbed.

When meat-loving bodybuilder Peter Czerwinski (a.k.a. Furious Pete) was diagnosed with cancer at the age of 30, Burgess stepped in to gloat at what he saw as Czerwinski’s "just desserts"[sic] for eating meat and promoting the death and suffering of animals through the use of novelty t-shirts etc, managing to leech heavily off of attention gained from Czerwinski’s enormous subscriber base in the process.[5] He doubled down on the gloating when Czerwinski’s cancer returned after a remission.[6]

Surprisingly, his response to Rich Piana getting cancer in 2016 was distinctly more empathetic.[7]

Unsurprisingly, he returned to ghoulish form after the death of bodybuilder John Meadows. During a live stream, he reviewed a video of John's made a month before his passing. In the video, John stated he was hopeful about his heart health improving within a month. Upon hearing this Vegan Gains broke into hysterical and high-pitched laughter, cackling out "He died! He died the next month! Oh that's too funny". During the same live stream, in an act of extreme empathy and compassion, he referred to John's son as a "loser", and "piece of fucking shit." After seeing a picture of John's son having caught a fish, he stated that "hopefully he dies of a heart attack soon too... hopefully that piece of crap also fucking dies in his sleep." [8]

Other behaviour and stances[edit]

Burgess has confessed himself to be a sadist and misanthropist, and has repeatedly threatened — ironically, he claims — to attack and kill people (including children and babies) who eat animal products, while wielding a knife on camera.[4]

In particular, he holds a strong aversion to vegan activist and former friend durianrider, the only YouTuber he refuses to mention on stream or in his videos.[9] The hostility stems from durianrider's accusation of Burgess' wife flirting with vegan activist- Joey Carbstrong, as well as Burgess' concerns with durianrider's dietary advice and the rape allegations levied against him.[10]

He also routinely posts aggressive and insult-filled video responses to other people he disagrees with, nearly always with the title form "[name] vs Vegan Gains". His targets include people on both sides of politics, extending to those who are not even making an argument but simply making a personal announcement they are not vegan or no longer vegan, which he feels the need to "debate" beyond simply correcting any misinformation he thinks they may have spread in their videos. For example, anti-social justice transgender YouTuber Blaire White’s announcement in 2018 that she had quit veganism after 10 years[11] got a particularly virulent pair of responses from him,[12][13] despite this being among her least offensive videos.[note 1]

Burgess is hostile to feminism, all humans (he hates himself and therefore wants to inflict pain in others),[14][15] Islam,[16] defends[17] and engages in casual racism and opposes Black Lives Matter,[18][19] and is against gender-neutral pronouns.[20] He has attacked Laci Green for her criticisms of the Trump administration[21] and the idea of false rape accusations,[22] as well as transgender feminist Riley Dennis for opposing fat-shaming[note 2] and for her (controversial) opinion that transgender-exclusionary dating preferences may be partly socially conditioned.[23]

Elaborating on his decision to get a vasectomy, Burgess launched into a stunningly misogynistic diatribe. Although he implied (and later clarified) that he was just trolling, the gesture is still disturbing and in poor taste to say the least. Vegan Gain's "trolling" is usually quite ambiguous and is oftentimes confused for seriousness.

Most women only want to have children so that they don't have to work, and that they can get taken care of. Women also use children to control and manipulate you, to prevent you from leaving an unloving abusive relationship, or to steal money from you after you break up. And I don't give a fuck what you say — "oh I love my man and I just want to have babies with him" — it's fucking bullshit. Women trick men into having kids so that they don't have to work, and by the time the kid is five or six years old and it doesn't make any more sense for them to stay stay-at-home moms, and the time comes for them to get a fucking job, they try and trick men into having more children, so that they can keep getting taken care of. And if they don't get what, they want they'll just break up with you and steal money from you until the kid is 18, and the threat of that happening is often enough to trap men into these horrible fucking relationships. I'm not going to let any women take advantage of me like that, and I'm going to take control of things by getting a fucking vasectomy.[24]

The same goes for later comments in the same video, in which he said that babies "make [him] sick", and expressed, in lurid and gory details, a desire to stomp them to death on the pavement.[25] Regarding such trolling — especially on a video that is categorised under "Education" and not under "Comedy" — it might be worth recalling the following Ed Brayton quote: "If you spend a great deal of your time pretending to be an asshole to get a reaction from people... you aren't pretending. You are an asshole."[26]

Burgess has been called out for his stances by saner vegan YouTubers such as Reg Flowers[27][28] and Unnatural Vegan.[29][30]

Health and nutrition[edit]

Burgess argues unequivocally for the nutritional superiority of veganism, to the point where he exaggerates its health benefits and makes such unjustifiably strong claims as "cancer is a preventable illness that is caused by animal products and can be treated through a whole foods vegan diet".[6] He argues that humans are herbivores[31] and takes the stance of "personal responsibility for your health" to the extreme endpoint of attributing people's ailments entirely to their consumption of meat and other animal products to the exclusion of any other factor. One result of this is that he takes the liberty to engage in fat shaming of women,[29] ironically contrasting with his assertions that thin people such as Eugenia Cooney are "not naturally skinny" and have eating disorders.[32]

YouTube restriction[edit]

In September 2021, all of Burgess's content was removed on his YouTube channel.[33]

This led to speculations that Vegan Gains has been permanently banned from YouTube. However, Burgess has since responded claiming he received a second strike from YouTube for making a controversial response video to Enkiri Elite Fitness.[34] A second strike means he cannot upload content for 2 weeks[35], so Burgess' account was only temporarily restricted. He wasn't banned.

Views on killing carnivores and mice[edit]

Vegan Gains debating Michael Greger in 2023

In April 2021, Burgess argued that he thinks killing carnivorous animals is a good idea and ideally all carnivorous animals need to be wiped out so other animals are not preyed upon.[3] In response to this, That Vegan TeacherWikipedia asked Burgess does that mean he believes "all the wolves, all the lions and all the predators should be killed". He replied "yeah" and stated his belief that in "most ecosystems most predatory species don't actually do much of anything to control prey populations".[3] He has claimed that human intervention is more reliable to control animal populations such as using contraceptive guns.[3] Burgess said that he is "against breeding animals, sterilize them all".[3]

In October 2021, Burgess in a debate with Vegan Footsoldier said that "he's in favour of killing carnivorous animals" if it reduces "rights" violations.[2] He did not define what he meant by "rights". In the same debate Burgess stated that he would be in favour of killing every bird of prey on the planet to protect one single mouse from being eaten.[2] Other vegans have criticized these views as extreme and non-vegan.[36][37]

Burgess has said that he is "totally fine" with people poisoning mice populations because they destroy human food (crops) and that poisoning mice is the ethical thing to do to reduce human starvation.[3] His views on mice are contradictory.

Position on eating carnivorous animals[edit]

Burgess believes that there is nothing wrong with hunting and eating large carnivorous animals such as bears and wolves. He says the only issue (and the only reason why he doesn't do it himself) is due to health concerns- for instance, the risk of parasites and zoonotic disease transmission.[38]

Stopped clock[edit]

Burgess has had a couple of stopped clock moments. He has criticized and debunked the pseudoscientific claims of the carnivore diet.[39] He cited a scientific study that refutes the insulin and weight loss claims of low-carb crank Gary Taubes, and is surprisingly correct in his contention that Taubes is not a scientist and is publishing misinformation to make money. He also has criticized the pseudoscientific claims of Shawn Baker and Paul Saladino.[40][41][42]

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External links[edit]


  1. Which is not saying very much.
  2. She "has claimed that it's not your fault if you're fat"? Shock horror!


  1. VEGAN GAINS REACTS TO "YOUTUBE'S MOST PSYCHOTIC VEGAN" Comment by Vegan Gaines "I am not Somalian, my dad is from Antiga. That is a piece of misinformation in the documentary that i wanted to correct"
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 Culling Carnivorous Animals Debate With Vegan Footsoldier
  3. 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 Live With Vegan Gains
  4. 4.0 4.1 Peel, Adrian (10 June, 2016). "‘Be nice to animals or I’ll kill you’: Knife-wielding vegan bodybuilder makes extraordinary threats against meat eaters in a series of bloodthirsty online rants’". The Daily Mail. 
  5. Renfro, Kim (March 23, 2016). "2 YouTube fitness stars went to war over veganism and cancer". Business Insider. 
  6. 6.0 6.1 Vegan Gains. "Furious Pete Has Cancer Again! Oh No!" YouTube.
  7. Vegan Gains. "Rich Piana Has Skin Cancer". YouTube.
  8. YTDRAMA "Vegan Gains laugh at John meadows passing. And makes fun of his son. livestream 2021 08 14" YouTube.
  9. BillBallinger & friends trolling Vegan Gains on "He who shall not be named"
  10. Durianrider Worst of The Fitness Industry(Vegan Gains Re-Upload)
  11. Blaire White. "WHY I STOPPED BEING VEGAN AFTER 10 YEARS". YouTube.
  12. Vegan Gains. "Blaire White vs VeganGains". YouTube.
  13. Vegan Gains. "Blaire White is an SJW Liar". YouTube.
  14. BuzzFeed vs Vegan Gains on YouTube.
  15. Vegan Gains. "Feminist Attacking Veganism?" YouTube.
  16. Vegan Gains. "Islam vs Vegan Gains". YouTube.
  17. Vegan Gains. "Rich Piana Said The 'N’ Word". YouTube.
  18. Vegan Gains. "Tara Mongeau Is An N Word".
  19. . Reg Flowers. "Racist is the New N Word (w/ Vegan Gains & Kat Blaque)". YouTube.
  20. Vegan Gains. "Gender Neutral Pronouns vs Vegan Gains". YouTube.
  21. Vegan Gains. "Laci Green Trump Hating". YouTube.
  22. Vegan Gains. "Laci Green RAPED ME (Parody)". YouTube.
  23. Vegan Gains. "SJW Says Fat And Dating Isn’t A Choice". YouTube.
  24. Vegan Gains. "Why I'm Getting a Vasectomy. YouTube.
  25. Vegan Gains. "Why I'm Getting a Vasectomy. YouTube.
  26. Ooh, Pat Replies To Us Again, ScienceBlogs
  27. Reg Flowers. "Vegan Gains: Toxic Masculinity (and some Prof. Kimberle Crenshaw)". YouTube.
  28. Reg Flowers. "Vegan Gains - Worst of the Worst!" YouTube.
  29. 29.0 29.1 Unnatural Vegan. "F**k your mom. IT’S OKAY I’M VEGAN! (response to Vegan Gains)". YouTube.
  30. Unnatural Vegan. Vegan Gains Should Get a Vasectomy (and stop promoting veganism?). YouTube.
  31. Vegan Gains. Joe Rogan Says Vegan Diets Are Bad. YouTube.
  32. Vegan Gains. "Eugenia Cooney Is Not Naturally Skinny". YouTube.
  33. Videos
  34. Comment by Vegan Gains "I didn't get a second strike from reacting to your video. It was my response to Enkiri Elite Fitness that got me the second strike. Debate offer is still on the table. Just email me and we can schedule a debate on the issues you have with my comments on John Meadows."
  35. "Community Guidelines strike basics"
  36. Vegan Gains Should Change Name
  37. Vegan Gains Supports Killing Predators
  38. Q&A: On Culling Carnivorous Animals
  39. Carnivore Diet Debunked Part 1, although this is no credit to him as literally any sensible person at all knows that a carnivorous diet is a bad idea. Vegan Gains (YouTube).
  40. Do Only Stupid People Eat Carnivore? Yes!
  41. Dr. Paul Saladino on oils, root vegetables and more || Vegan Gains Livestream Reaction
  42. Paul Saladino: July 2022 Bloodwork Review! |​| Vegan Gains Livestream Reaction