RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive89

Nerd

Constant edit-warring and tone policing by Nerd on WIGO World (most of these 13 revisions), and, ludicrously, on the United States of America article, believing that some random factoid is of such great importance that it needs to stay in the article. Apparently he believes RW needs to be neutral and objective, contrary to our SPOV. Oxy and I have been arguing with him but he just won't listen, so I'm bringing it to the coop. I've had enough for one night. Goodnight! Avida Dollars^{her again} 20:47, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Neutral no, Objective yes. If this website is going to ditch objectivity, then I'm out. I have no desire to be part of an echo chamber seeks to gleefully emulate Conservapedia. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 21:17, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I don't think this complaint is appropriate.Ariel31459 (talk) 21:23, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

I think it is slightly absurd that the factoid involving states beginning with M is deemed relevant. Pretty sure it could be dealt with on the talk page though. — Dysk (contribs) 21:29, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Not coop worthy, but we can tell Nerd to knock it off. If he likes neutral Wigo entries, I suggest he find some good Wigo and have the reward of customizing as he wants. --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄 21:31, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Agree with Dysk and LGM. Nerd goes way too far with the tone policing sometimes, but that's a talkpage problem, not a coop problem. DuceMoosolini^{Your friendly RW dictator moderator} 21:39, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

Annoyingly so, and he will ignore the consensus to do so. — Oxyaena ^Harass 00:20, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ What my Comrade @GrammarCommie said. Nerd (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

It's hard for me to get worked up about WIGO as it's rather ephemeral. Try to resolve the issue in the talk page. Bongolian (talk) 00:16, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

It's been a long-term policy that you don't fuck with other peoples WIGO entries. If you have a problem with it then vote it down. Aceⁱ⁹ 05:11, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nerd @GrammarCommie @Bongolian What Ace and the rest of us have been saying, the consensus is clear on this. Fuck off with your tone policing. — Oxyaena ^Harass 05:19, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Frankly, I haven't paid a whole lot of attention to WIGO, but that does sound like a reasonable policy. Is it stated somewhere, or is it a matter of tradition? Bongolian (talk) 05:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Tradition I think. — Oxyaena ^Harass 05:31, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I joined in 2008 and ever since I have been part of RW editing someone else's WIGO is frowned upon. Aceⁱ⁹ 05:44, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@OxyaenaAt no point during this Coop did I call for tone policing. In fact, I have posted once prior to this post and that was in response to "Apparently he believes RW needs to be neutral and objective, contrary to our SPOV." I would kindly request an apology by you for putting words in my mouth. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 12:25, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

You posted about it being "objective." — Oxyaena ^Harass 18:08, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ This could probably be archived now unless anyone has something important to say here. — Dysk (contribs) 13:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

on the wigo score, i am with nerd. aside from anythng else, i quite dislike being told how i should feel about some news story. its usually pretty clear how you would be expected to view a piece, for or against, that i dont need an aside that comes under the no shit sherlock category. a piece about trump saying something stupid doesnt need to tell me trump a dumbass when its the whole point of the piece. i know im not the sharpest tool in the box, but for fucks sake, credit me with some intelligence. if i disagree with the leaning, a quip isnt going to change my mind. if the wigo cant speak for its self its a bad wigo and its not the place to nail your colours to the mast. if there is something specific point you want to make it, theres the talk page for that. AMassiveGay (talk) 15:40, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Agreed. On the matter of state names initiated by the letter M (the most for any letter), that this is interesting to someone is at least interesting in itself. The letter N comes in a close second with 6. Together they represent 26% of state names and only 8% of the alphabet. Surely this means something to someone somewhere? I second the motion to archive.Ariel31459 (talk) 17:38, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Fuck that shit, this is RationalWiki, we have SPOV for a reason. — Oxyaena ^Harass 18:08, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

honestly unless the wigo is outstandingly offensive I don't see the justification in editing it. WIGOs have always been about posting something you think is clever/interesting and then measuring your e-peen according to the votes it gets. As far as the letter m... There are a lot of weird facts we can throw in the article, best to save only the funniest/most missional ones so it doesn't get cluttered"Shut up, Brx." 18:10, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Brx. Also, in the interest of full disclosure, one of the WIGOs Nerd edited was mine, and I like it the way I posted it. DuceMoosolini^{Your friendly RW dictator moderator} 18:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Is this even a good faith editor?

[1]"Shut up, Brx." 18:19, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I propose we do something about the constant fucking edit warring by @Nerd. — Oxyaena ^Harass 18:22, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

The source is a dead link, so I removed the whole thing. Are we cool? I did not put it there if you're curious. Nerd (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Stop edit warring so much, take it to the talk page. — Oxyaena ^Harass 18:27, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nerd You calling AOC a racist is kinda embarrassing in my opinion. [2] [3] — Dysk (contribs) 18:34, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Not really intended as a joke: lawful-neutral faith. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 18:36, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

The dead link source.

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Dysklyver I have already explained myself multiple times. If she wants a certain group to receive special treatment only because of their race or ethnicity, that counts as discrimination, racial discrimination in this case. I mentioned that when I added that category. Just look at the history of the page and see for yourself. And again, I removed the relevant statement on her page because the source link is dead. Nerd (talk) 18:38, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

No that's affirmative action, you're wrong here, Nerd. — Oxyaena ^Harass 18:40, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

You can call it whatever you want, Oxy. But racism is racism, regardless of whom it is directed in favor of or against. Anyway, can we let this one go? The source link is dead, so the whole sentence got removed. Nerd (talk) 18:43, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

So I recovered the source, made a screenshot and uploaded it. — Dysk (contribs) 18:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

The problem is not all Latinos are descendants of Native Americans, quite a few are purely of European descent. Puerto Ricans themselves have barely any Amerindian DNA in them. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:17, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ @Dysklyver Thanks, but I have something even better: straight from The Hill itself. The Hill is a generally reliable source. They also have her on camera. Nerd (talk) 19:19, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

So @Dysklyver I thought since you made the effort to find it, I should use it. Thanks again! Nerd (talk) 19:29, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nerd Maybe not call her a racist this time, capisce? — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:39, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

1) I do think that Nerd is editing in good faith. 2) What AOC said in that statement is what could be called racism. Does a single statement make one a racist? I don't think so. 3) The reason why that statement is dubiously racist is: 4a) Guatemalans (for example) never had a traditional right to live in what is now the US. US Native Americans have additional rights because of treaty obligations, which at least in principle have the the force of international law. These treaty rights pertain only to official treaty members and are heritable, but not strictly genetic (hence the Cherokee have such rights despite substantial mixing with whites and African Americans). But 4b) Latino is a very broad category including some indigenous people, mixed indigenous people (such as presumable AOC), Afro-latinos, recent (e.g. Italians to Argentina) and long-ago European migrants, as well as Jews and Palestinians who migrated into Latin America. Bongolian (talk) 19:43, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

@Oxyaena It appears this lady wants to dig up a can of worms known as people's racial histories. It is my personal opinion that a wiser strategy would be to try our best achieve equality under the law and ignore inconsequential things such as sex, gender, color, race, or ethnicity. But sure, I won't call her "racist" or "discriminatory" even though, frankly, a rose by any other name would smell just as sweet, as I explained above. Instead, I will let people think for themselves. In exchange, I'd like you to stop throwing swear words at me. I will treat you, and everyone else, the way I want to be treated. Do we have deal? Nerd (talk) 19:47, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

This is all talk-page argument. As far as I can tell, Nerd creates considerably more main space content than his detractors. There are almost no "good" editors in the sense of being capable of editing an authentic encyclopedia. But this is not one of those, so how about that archive thing?Ariel31459 (talk) 19:45, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Yes, archive. Bongolian (talk) 19:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

I would have archived it hours ago tbh, but i'm not doing it because it's someone elses turn :) — Dysk (contribs) 19:56, 3 June 2019 (UTC)