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Two meters[edit]

So where's the article? - David Gerard (talk) 12:18, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

I should not be working on it, as I am busy with finalising thesis... But I was annoyed with red link. Some references are available if anybody wants to have a pop. ·Femilisk 12:27, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Ill take a crack at it I figure i have enough of my own disabilities to speak from some experience. --Laurelai (talk) 12:29, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

thoughtcatalog?[edit]

Are we sure there isn't a better reference than that site? - David Gerard (talk) 16:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm absolutely positive there's a better one out there. I viewed it as a placeholder, but maybe a "citation needed" would be better. MarmotHead (talk) 17:22, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Mental illness discrimination[edit]

Discrimination against people with mental illnesses (depression, bipolar, borderline, etc.)- would it count as a form of ableism? If so, would anyone mind if I was to mention it? If it's a separate thing, what is it? MESSIAH OF DOOM A sea on earth is a sea of tearsDolan.png 07:30, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I think it fits. Some might call it "mentalism" (yes, really), which I like to reserve for the subset of magicians and charlatans (depending on how much they claim its reality). I think it fits. The existing structure of this article may not fit it perfectly, but don't let that stop you! MarmotHead (talk) 15:06, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
From my own experiences in activism, ableism is the correct term. I've never heard that other one used. --PosthumanHeresy (talk) 03:22, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

"disabilities"[edit]

Isn't that an ableist term? ħumanUser talk:Human 22:37, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

That would mean the World Health Organisation along with governments across the world use and promote ableist language. Also, ableism is frequently defined as discrimination against persons with disabilities... Nullahnung (talk) 23:10, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
FWIW, along with "impairment", the terms "disability" and "handicap" are used prominently in research to describe different things (ADLs and such vs. social role functioning). Oddly one term is seen as more offensive in the US and the other more offensive in the UK. I don't remember which is which. MarmotHead (talk) 20:37, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

"can't help but be a bit disturbed upon encountering a drive-thru ATM with braille"[edit]

Um, I might be missing something, but why would that be disturbing? 141.134.75.236 (talk) 03:43, 25 July 2015 (UTC)

The implication that someone blind enough to need to read using braille is driving a motor vehicle? --transResident Transformers fanform! 03:53, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
The drivers aren't always the only people in a car. Heck, these days there's even cars that don't need drivers at all. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 04:27, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Self driving cars aren't all that common yet and won't be for a while. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 04:39, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
Very true, but I'd say the broader phenomenon of passengers in cars is rather common. Additionally, I also think just walking up to such an ATM without the use of a vehicle is unlikely to stop the machine from functioning. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 04:46, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
TBH I can't see a person who needs to use braille walking to an atm designed around you being in a car to use it :P . or reaching out from the passenger seat of a car to use it, but eh, more braille is always better. Atleast it isn't like at my university where many phones have a short list of numbers next to them that have braille for the numbers but not what they call. --"Paravant" Talk & Contribs 05:13, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
What if they were the passenger in a mail truck, and so didn't actually have to reach any further than the driver in an ordinary vehicle? WalkerWalkerWalker 07:26, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
As the person who added it I can confirm that it was a bit of observational humor, as AutoFire noticed, that I borrowed from Penn and Teller. And lest you think these things don't happen, I give you this as a fairly hilarious example (it's old, but it was more hilarious than some more recent ones). The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:16, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Wait, do mail trucks have passenger seats even... WalkerWalkerWalker 03:24, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Justifying 'ableism'[edit]

What about those cases where 'absence of certain medical defects' (eg colourblindness) is a necessity? Anna Livia (talk) 18:29, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Blade of northern lights is wrong[edit]

The origin of something coming from a disability, and the term simultaneously being used as an insult isn't the same as all those other cases of the exact same thing because "wikipedia". You're gonna have to present a less inane case than that. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:05, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

If you can't be bothered to read the underlying sources, I'll leave a couple here. UPenn, more UPenn, and the Tiger Woods comments which meant nothing to Americans but freaked out British golf fans. Plus I'm sure you know of the etymological fallacy, words can rather dramatically shift away from their original intent (does anyone get offended at Irish twins anymore?); like, say, what happened to this word. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 03:42, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Can, but they're fucking not. It's the exact same shit as "retard". Literally the same behavior. I do not grasp why you're so committed to this. You're just wrong. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 14:49, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I am unimpressed by Blade of northern lights ideas here, tbf. Definitely leaning towards ikanreeds version. NekoDysk 15:08, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
It sounds like TBotNL hasn't caught on that the "ableist language" deal is about finding controversy where mostly none exists. I'm actually pretty anti-ableist language overall, but there comes a point where the response gets so disproportionate it's just embarrassing. Ranting about the etymology of "spaz" and "lame" won't make anyone take you seriously. It might scare off some folk from taking ableism seriously though. 2A02:1810:4D34:DC00:2876:3C83:70A9:92EA (talk) 15:47, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Sounds like you're ranting about those things, and I'm just taking out an extraneous and untrue statement. Sorry we're not "politically correct" enough to adhere to your vision of language. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:53, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm sorry you're so sensitive. I'm more a Lenny Bruce sort myself, and that you simply deny that which I've laid out right before your face shows this isn't worth engaging further. I won't, dare I say, spaz out over it. No idea what the BON is going on about. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 16:54, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Lighten up. You just made a bad edit, with poor justification. I have never ever actually objected to the term, just the shitty reasoning of your parenthetical. It makes no goddamn sense. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:57, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Projection much? It's not that big a deal to me, just an observation; it's not an offensive term in American English, but you don't see it as necessary to say as much. Not worth getting my knickers in a twist and going full potty mouth over policing other people's language. I added something unrelated too, incidentally. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:01, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── And it's wrong for the reasons I described, which you never addressed, frankly because you're being a dumbass. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:03, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

You gave one reason, which we disagree on. Have fun talking to yourself after this. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:38, 20 March 2019 (UTC)
Alright. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:53, 20 March 2019 (UTC)