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"Blaire White showing off her push up bra."

Feels a bit insensitive. It's not clear from the picture alone that she's sexualizing herself to sell an ideology or product. 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 05:34, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Changed.—CheeseburgerPlate  (talk • stalk) 05:51, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Her twitter

While browsing White's twitter, I found this. Uh...—CheeseburgerPlate  (talk • stalk) 06:14, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Comparison to Theryn Meyer

I'm planning to make a page on Theryn Meyer when I have time, since White's just a more abrasive clone of her, but in my research so far, I found that these two intersect a lot- Would it be OK to put where they line up on this page first, or does it belong on Meyer's when I make it? This is what I came here to ask before I saw there's nothing about the Trump videos, BTW.^{— Unsigned, by: SonataBlack / talk / contribs}

You can have that in the intro I guess.—CheeseburgerPlate  (talk • stalk) 07:39, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

what does that even mean?

can someone help me understand this sentence? or simplify it? "which is based on that she doesn't look like how she mocks her trans critics for looking, and challenging her to put up pre-transition pictures to prove she didn't get plastic surgery to look more feminine. Because even when she's the victim of that kinda behavior, it's still not transphobic at all. " ^{— Unsigned, by: Benaresh / talk / contribs}

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White is notorious for taking her high profile critics in the transsexual community, and giving the oh-so-intelligent response of either attacking their looks (going even further if they're transitioned like she claims to be), or their femininity if they're a woman. On the femininity thing, she has a particular obsession with saying their vagina smells like hot dog water, which kinda says far more than it should about her. Anyhow, at one point pre-Youtube, one of her tropes was even calling attention to how much she looks like a real woman, as opposed to all the "ugly" trans males. That's kinda part of how this started- No pre-pics, no transition pics, and she constantly called herself more "real." The conspiracy is that she's using that wording to pass a confession off as bragging. If you watch the video, they even call out that some of what she had to do to have her figure is impossible without surgery, unless she was allowed to start at like, ten. Which leaves her with three options: She's lying about being a transsexual, she's lying about not having cosmetic surgery, or she's a complete hypocrite on that whole "acceptance of a trans minor is abuse!" shit she concern trolls the LGBT youth community with. Does that help enough for you to re-word it? Because I can't be bothered.SonataBlack (talk) 07:01, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

The "Acceptance is Child Abuse" Thing

I was ignoring this until now, because it fell too close to her other crap, but White's developing a little bit of an obsession with comparing acceptance of a transsexual minor to child abuse. She has a few videos about it where she tries to justify this by saying that if you accept them, you're trying to force-transition them, which actually would be abuse if you were doing it. There's a lot to say about this, but would this work better as just a paragraph in an existing section, or should I begin a detailed write-up for a section of it's own? ^{— Unsigned, by: SonataBlack / talk / contribs}

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Gender binary

The article seems to suggests that since she's transgender, her belief in the gender binary is somehow hypocritical. However, I don't think her views are inconsistent as she considers herself one of the two genders. 80.220.177.163 (talk) 20:38, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

That's a fair point. Feel free to change that. Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 21:29, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

"she uses the word "tranny" quite liberally"

You are aware, that gay people managed to turn the term "gay" from a slur to an accepted term for (male) homosexual self-identification via just using it, first often in a self-mocking context and later in general language describing themself? The process is called "amelioration" or "semantic change" where a pejorative word get's its bad conotation changed to something positive. Other examples of amelioration are: "Ratatouille" originally meaning a rather cheap mix of remains and scrappings used by the poor, today meaning a French haute cuisine and is found on the list of many serious restaurants. "Marshall" - originally meaning an inferior horse keeper and stable boy, to today the highest military rank in the army. "Free spirit" originally a pejorative term for someone whose behaviour doesn't fit into religious and traditional society norms, today a positive description for someone who uses their mind in a creative and empowering way.^{— Unsigned, by: 79.205.237.85 / talk / contribs}

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I agree, it's like calling a black person racist for saying nigger or a gay person homophobic for saying queer. Christopher (talk) 09:06, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

"Conspiracy" section

Oh, and every time she tries to claim that she's never experienced transphobia, or been dragged through the mud over her transition? There's an actual conspiracy that claims White's a natural born woman who's merely claiming to be trans to ride the tokenism train,<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZeseAqykB4&t=183s</ref> which is based on that she doesn't look like how she mocks her trans critics for looking, and challenging her to put up pre-transition pictures to prove she didn't get plastic surgery to look more feminine. Because even when she's the victim of that kinda behavior, it's still not transphobic at all.

I don't believe for a second that Blaire is secretly cis there's just no evidence for it. However it is worth talking about the fact that she clearly had the resources at her disposal to transition at a young age and she can easily pass for cis. I think it's safe to say that this heavily factors into her beliefs. In general she seems to have a problem understanding trans experiences outside of her own.Bmvolkow (talk) 17:24, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

What is this and why was it here? αδελφός ΓυζζγςατΡοτατο (talk/stalk) 19:19, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Sonata's edits

Oddly enough, White begins one of her backstory videos by telling people she "looks like shit because her husband beats her"<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_1Rlvj_RxU</ref>, then immediately retracts it as a joke, showing in the most thorough way possible what she thinks about real abuse- At least, abuse towards women. Later down the road, she made a homophobic video asking a lot of smear questions that she tried to pass off as "returning the favor".<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUoI30m3p2M&t=145s</ref> In short, White's also a fairly open homophobe beyond simple slurs as well, but so much of it crosses over into her transphobia that what doesn't might was well go under this heading.

White's joke is shit. Her intent is unclear, however. For this joke to "show what she thinks about abuse", she'd have had to belittle abuse towards women. Instead, the intent seems much more likely to be self-deprecation combined with the crass dark humor that YouTube conservatives so enjoy. I would compare this to Colbert's joke about Trump as Putin's cock-holster.

White's "smear questions" don't appear to be "openly homophobic". At best, they're tired, bullshit dog whistles akin to her video that "transgenderism is a mental disorder".

TLDR: I think Sonata's edits make White sound more extreme than what's true. I invite Sonata to defend their edits. Mʀ. Wʜɪsᴋᴇʀs, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 01:17, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

I had to ready those edits a couple times over and I still wasn't able to understand what Sonata meant. I agree FCP, it does make White sound just a little bit too extreme. A messy death is your first warnin'. 01:58, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Opinionated vs. Factual

It is my understanding that all Wiki pages should be factual and include no personal bias, as they're here serving a purpose to the general public to be a factual source of information on a specific topic. Granted, this is not the official wikipedia page, though it should follow the same general construct, especially as when you type in White's name, this is the page that pops up.

Also, on the topic of the Privilege Grant "scam," it has been rebuked and proven not to be a scam whatsoever, as Milo Yiannopoulos has already announced the first 10 winners of the grant. This line in the page is not accurate, and was obviously not based on any factual evidence and should be removed. Zing dager (talk) 17:23, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

If this were Wikipaedia you'd be right. However, we support a snarky point of view here. We make no claims of being neutral. As for the rest of the claims, I'm not sure. Another user can address those. A messy death is your first warnin'. 17:52, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

RationalWiki is not Wikipedia. RationalWiki intends to have a snarky point of view, not a neutral point of view like Wikipedia. Nonetheless we do strive for truth. As for the scam, well perhaps it's not accurate because no one bothered to update it. It was declared a scam last year in April or so, but last month a former underling of Milo, writing for the somewhat-less-than-reputable Daily Caller, announced that grants had been awarded.[1] Take it with a grain of salt. The official site only gives the first names of the winners: is it that embarrassing to win?[2] Bongolian (talk) 17:54, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

It was declared a scam by who? Other "somewhat-less-than-reputable" websites? "The Daily Beast," or maybe "Redstate?" I'm sorry, but more than one person has/have come out - including Milo Yiannopoulos and Mike Cernovich, one of the donors - saying that it wasn't a scam. Not to mention he has already given 25k out to the students, I'm not sure why this isn't an obvious debunking of the "scam," in of itself. I do indeed do my own fact checking, and wouldn't have even put this in the Talk Page had I not been curious to see actual facts and things that might have been important about the main topic of this page, Blaire White. However, you (as in the community who have edited this page, not you individually) blatantly misinterpreted a lot of what was said, both by Ms. White and Milo. Especially regarding her views on transgenderism. While I have no problem with this site taking a "snarky point of view," as you are so fond of using, it is certainly disheartening, not to mention cause for suspicion, when certain pages, while claiming to have a scientific point of view - or including facts and statistics and/or the likes thereof - disregard actual evidence in support of their misconceived opinions, going out of their way to find "evidence" that supports their claims, rather than fact-checking. It is now apparent to me that this is not along the same lines of other more prominent Wiki sites, such as Wikipedia, and I admit I should have looked more thoroughly at the site's "snarky point of view" before my first comment. And I'm not saying you shouldn't have opinions as well, I'm just saying factual evidence should be the basis of your opinions, not the other way around. Zing dager (talk) 18:49, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

More often than not fact is the basis for an article, and the snark comes afterwards as a way of making points more clear and adding humour. Now, I'll make sure we take a look at this article. Fair enough? Don't decry the entire site based on this one article. A messy death is your first warnin'. 21:20, 14 May 2017 (UTC)

This wiki is full of left-leaning nonsense, calling themselves the "rational wiki" should give you a clue as to how far their own heads are up their own asses. If you're looking for facts here, you might as well look in encyclopedia dramatica. And no, I don't want to sign my shit. ^{— Unsigned, by: 24.176.3.104 / talk}

Well, too fucking bad for you about signing.

I assume that you're calling our content "nonsense" because you disagree with it politically. Well...alright then. I suppose I could call ED's content nonsense because I disagree with it. And so I shall. ED is full of right-wing nonsense.

See? Where is this getting us? What is the point of this whole debate? It's not like you're going to change my mind or vice verse. So just go on with ED, I'll go on with RW, and we can just call it a day.

Also, the "Rational" part is a reference to the general science/skepticism stuff, not politics. RoninMacbeth (talk) 04:06, 6 July 2017 (UTC)

It truly is heavily biased against her. Be "snarky" if you like, I don't plan on coming here for info anyway, it was just the first link that came up, but letting opinions come through over facts heavily discredits this article to those truly trying to learn. ^{— Unsigned, by: 99.203.27.135 / talk / contribs}

Is it really necessary to insult her for passing?

The image box seems to denigrate Ms.White for having the audacity for passing as a trans person. While I dislike most of her views I think it reflects poorly on us to use that as an excuse to insult her. Plus it just gives her and MRAs/anit-fems like her ammunition against us. --Doulomb (talk) 04:41, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

Snopes article on Blaire gets blowback

https://twitter.com/snopes/status/930657640069435392

https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/7d2jlr/ethics_snopes_doubts_blaire_whites_maga_hat/ 32℉uzzy; 0℃atPotato (talk/stalk) 19:52, 15 November 2017 (UTC)

Is she a Trump supporter?

When I was looking through her stuff, I saw that the little she brings him up, she's talking out both sides of her face, but seems to be supporting him overall. I know that we can't do anything with her silence on Mike Pence (despite claiming pro-LGBT) because of the lack of evidence, but is there enough to work with on her Trump double speak, of should we sit on that for a while?^{— Unsigned, by: SonataBlack / talk / contribs}

"As of January 4th 2018, White's YouTube channel had over 366k subscribers and 36.7m views.[3] By contrast, her website had virtually no traffic.[4][5]" Sometimes I forget just how awesomely petty and vindictive you people are, and it just makes me smile... Do you guys seriously still consider this website to be anything other than the far-left's answer to conservapedia anymore? It's like you actually think having a left-wing circle jerk is synonymous with reason... ^{— Unsigned, by: 67.193.133.228 / talk}

"But I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki!" Drink! LuodiWang (talk) 21:42, 31 January 2019 (UTC)

Blaire White tweets fake news

Being white isn't embarrassing, but white guilt sure the fuck is.^[a w] The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 19:28, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

Transphobia section

I don't really get why it's relevant that White has been the victim of transphobia. That's normal for every trans person. What isn't normal is her contribution to transphobia. I'm trans, I've been a victim of plenty of transphobia, and I still don't feel the need to harm the rest of society because of it. It sounds like your typical sociopath complaining about what a difficult life they've had. Cat A. Lonia (talk) 20:19, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

To clarify, were White merely a victim of transphobia, she would not have an article on RationalWiki. She is notable for her contribution to transphobia. Cat A. Lonia (talk) 20:20, 4 April 2018 (UTC)

You have a point. Maybe we should revise that section to say that no matter how horrible one particular trans person is, it's never okay to be transphobic. —ClickerClock (talk) 03:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

I just made an addition to that section somewhat along those lines. Feel free to revise of course.--Yisfidri (talk) 13:26, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

Calling someone a "ditzy girl" is an example of sexism/misogny, not transphobia/transmisogyny/cissexism. That is an attack on her gender not specifically on the fact that she is transgender. What I think could be relevant about that particular source is the fact that the commentator says "girl" with the little pause before it and intonation people use when doing scare quotes.115.189.93.167 (talk) 00:08, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Suicide(?)

Blaire White has just deleted her account and her last tweet was talking about killing herself. https://mobile.twitter.com/Dashiell_Qwerty/status/1016561546032377856 LuodiWang (talk) 18:58, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh... we have to wait and see if she really did follow through or not. Does anyone know any of her friends/acquaintances? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:02, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Joey Sarson is her fiancé. Shoe0nHead is one of her closest friends. Shane Dawson is another one of her close friends. Onision has recently befriended Blaire White. Eden the Doll has also become friends with Blaire White. LuodiWang (talk) 19:04, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Okay, we'll see what they'll have to say about Blaire White. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:07, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Is there any way we can contact them through Twitter? LuodiWang (talk) 19:11, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Errr, I don't know, that's the thing. I was expecting other people to ask eventually, though. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:12, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

What about DMs? LuodiWang (talk) 19:15, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Btw, Jaclyn Glenn is also friends with Blaire. LuodiWang (talk) 19:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

I have just tried contacting Joey Sarson. https://mobile.twitter.com/TheProgressiv15/status/1016797673351974913 He hasn’t responded yet. LuodiWang (talk) 21:43, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

One person responded that "@shoe0nhead said that she's fine and she's taking a break. I am so happy she's okay." --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 23:31, 10 July 2018 (UTC)

Oh, ok. I think I might have overreacted a bit. LuodiWang (talk) 00:39, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Blaire White's latest video

Does anybody know which people Blaire White was talking about in her latest video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7Ft2E_ibxQ LuodiWang (talk) 22:45, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Blackface

Blaire White is now trying to argue that her use of blackface was not racist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNG3IQ2HSXw LuodiWang (talk) 19:12, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Because it wasn’t? That’s not blackface nor is it racist... that’s a fucking facial mask. That’s why it doesn’t get near her eyes. I get you guys are obsessed with her but damn. This is a bit much no? Reading this page has me laughing. Like one person actually wanted the fact that she was attacked for being trans removed from the page because heaven forbid someone you dislike gets viewed with pity. This shit is like Kiwifarms for lefties. It’s sad.TheBigPompa (talk) 21:48, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

^{— Unsigned, by: CogitoNotStirred / talk / contribs}

@CogitoNotStirred It's a facemask on a post that references Black Lives Matter... Are you actually so daft as to not understand that the context of wearing a black facemask becomes racial when it's posted in reference to a racial topic...? BoomerButter (talk) 03:14, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

It's not me you ought to be pinging here. Read the thread a little more carefully, please. The concern troll is TheBigPompa. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 03:29, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

Not alt-right

Merely associating with those on the alt-right doesn't make Blaire White alt-right. Her views are more moderate than people such as Lauren Southern, Ben Shapiro, and Tim Pool, and since they are only consider alt-lite, I don't see why it's correct to label White as alt-right.YXTQWF_climbThe^Stairs 01:32, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

"Alt-lite" is just the more polished and "respectable" version of the alt-right. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 02:19, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

This is not guilt by association, Stairs. A YouTuber known for transphobic, homophobic, misogynistic, racist, and genocidal comments is "alt-right." CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 02:52, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Other conservatives a lot farther to the right of Blaire White aren't considered "alt-right" on RationalWiki. Also, when has she made comments that are misogynistic or genocidal?YXTQWF_climbThe^Stairs 05:51, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

Did you read the article, and did you read the RW definition of alt-right? "Y is more conservative than X on some issues" does not refute the premise "X is alt-right." Angela Merkel was not personally pro-same sex marriage and Milo Yiannopoulos (presumably) is, but one of them is an odious alt-right arsewipe and the other is a moderate conservative German politician. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 12:58, 24 September 2019 (UTC)

So which of Blaire White's views would classify her as alt-right? She is more progressive on trans issues compared to most conservatives. She isn't particularly racist; generally, the alt-right supports "race realism", believes in white genocide, supports an ethnostate—none of that is true for White.YXTQWF_climbThe^Stairs 09:54, 1 October 2019 (UTC)

You seem to have a bit of difficulty wrapping your head around this, but Ms White is of interest to RW because she represents alt-right viewpoints. Not every YouTuber gets a write-up here. The article itself gives ample reason why she ought to be regarded as such. Accordingly I am going to roll back to @GrammarCommie's last edit. If you wish to make a case that she is not alt-right, the burden of proof is on you here. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 03:42, 18 October 2019 (UTC)

More material

I have compiled quite a bit of up-to-date material on Blaire, including an expansion on her specific transmedicalist views and her behaviour toward other trans/nonbinary people, including some references to left-wing response videos (featuring her footage) rather than her original videos (so as to not send views her way). I would like to go ahead and add all this material to the article if I may. —Vermilion (talk) 05:36, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

• OK, I've added the stuff I have, with references. There may still be more room for expansion of some points. Hope you like it. —Vermilion (talk) 06:28, 8 February 2020 (UTC)