User talk:Hochichi667

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Why have you copied a page from Wikipedia?[edit]

Why have you copied the Whitley Streiber page from Wikipedia? What are you planning to do with it? We do not allow articles here that are just carbon copies of the ones on Wikipedia. And an article that's mostly copied from Wikipedia is going to get nominated for deletion too. I recommend that if you want to write about that person (and I don't know what he's got to do with our mission) you start from scratch and write entirely in your own words. Spud (talk) 11:12, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

Why have you copied from Wikipedia a second time?[edit]

It appears that Spud's warning fell on deaf ears, since you have again copied the Whitley Strieber article from Wikipedia. Hertzy (talk) 17:15, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Copying a Wikipedia page without attribution is probably illegal and certainly immoral, if you do it again you'll start getting bans. Christopher (talk) 17:28, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
It's not illegal, just immoral if done without attribution. It also doesn't improve our site. Bongolian (talk) 19:18, 1 January 2018 (UTC)
I remember reading somewhere that the creative commons licence means any derivative works (i.e. the now deleted RW article) have to credit the creator or it's a violation of copyright law, could be wrong though. Christopher (talk) 19:28, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

What? The Wikipedia article was used as a basis, but it's been heavily revised. That so bad?

As for a second time, I just put this up today. No second time about it.

Edit: Ugh. I never meant for the one in October to be posted. I thought it was sandboxed. — Unsigned, by: Hochichi667 / talk / contribs

That's still plagiarism, which is strongly discouraged in most Wikis. With all that effort into "editing" the plagiarised passages, you might as well just write the thing with your own words. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 19:33, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

Signing comments[edit]

You're doing it wrong. You don't put "~~~~" in the edit summary, you put it at the end of your comment, like this: This article is complete rubbish! So much for RATIONALwiki. ~~~~

Resulting in this:

This article is complete rubbish! So much for RATIONALwiki. Christopher (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC) (If I wrote it)

Or this:

This article is complete rubbish! So much for RATIONALwiki. Hochichi667 (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC) if you wrote it.

Christopher (talk) 18:53, 1 January 2018 (UTC)

You're still doing it. You only need the tildes at the end of a talk page comment, putting them in the edit summary (text box below the editing area) has no effect. —Kazitor, pending 04:46, 8 January 2018 (UTC)

Whitley Strieber article has been moved to your user space[edit]

Since that was what most of the users who participated in the AfD discussion wanted, I have moved your Whitley Strieber article to your user space here. Please follow the advice that those users have given you and improve upon it before moving it back to main space.

And, yes, the Wikipedia copy that you uploaded in October was just in your user space. But I still saw its creation in recent changes. And, as has already been pointed out to you, that was still plagiarism. And, knowing that the page would have to be almost completely rewritten in order to stay here as a real article, I just couldn't understand why anyone would put a Wikipedia copy in their user space in the first place. Spud (talk) 08:18, 20 January 2018 (UTC)

It seems like these decisions are a bit willy-nilly. Since a few weeks ago and the 'consensus', I rewrote the article from the ground up and added sources. Sure, a work in progress, but still totally different than what was there before. Now you've moved it to my user page without evidently noticing the changes - still faulting me for past 'plagiarism', etc. RW seems hardly worth the trouble. Hochichi667 (talk) 07:46, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
It's definitely annoying having to do the same thing multiple times, but I don't think copying the initial version from Wikipedia has done you any favours. If you've already improved it so much, then hopefully there's little left to do. But it would probably be best if you sought approval for it once it's finished to avoid further drama. —Kazitor, pending 08:41, 21 January 2018 (UTC)
Not every user new to RW is up to speed on the apparent problems with WP plagiarism. Starting an article in my own userspace based on WP - I still fail to see the harm done. Or why there should be animus toward the new article just because that occurred. As for seeking approval, I'm not sure what that consists of. But I hope it would involve somebody actually looking at the new entry. That doesn't seem to have been done here. Cheers. Hochichi667 (talk) 08:56, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

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I think you (finally) did a good job on the Whitley Strieber. @Spud, @Christopher, @LeftyGreenMario or @Kazitor, care to comment? Bongolian (talk) 22:13, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! Hochichi667 (talk) 22:24, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
It looks alright to me. —Kazitor, pending 22:53, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Effort went into the page, but I think it's a little on the wordy side. It reminds me of the long-winded article called Bryan Denlinger for some reason. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 03:37, 28 January 2018 (UTC)