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RationalWiki tends to catch the ears of people whom it criticises, who strangely don't enjoy said criticism. Below is a list of people who are pissed at us for one reason or another, which serves as irrefutable proof that we are shills for everyone and their opposite.

Notably absent from this list is Encyclopaedia Dramatica, which does have a scathingly hateful article about RW, including a guide for how to troll the site. But as ED has that for pretty much everything, this is seen as standard and so doesn't really count.


[edit] Organizations

I'm still waiting on my goddamn Obama propaganda money.

[edit] American Thinker

The hard-right website American Thinker posted an article that objected to being labelled wingnut[3] while not actually refuting any of the accusations of wingnuttery (Obama conspiracy theories, global warming denialism, creationism, Birtherism, etc.). At times they just seemed to make things up, such as saying that rationalwiki doesn't go after Leftists or saying there were no arguments on the page when there were but they were apparently ignored. Their comments section wasn't fond of us either, for instance:

American Thinker is probably the most civilized web site to opine. Most other sites are no more than troll bait.

I truly appreciate this site and its members for the opportunity to learn other's [sic] opinions and comment on my own.

Civility is a dead art to liberals, and RationalWiki just proved it.

[edit] Discovery Institute

In an article entitled "Media Promoting Misinformation about the Santorum Amendment", the DI claimed that RationalWiki were misrepresenting the Santorum Amendment by claiming it would "promote the teaching of intelligent design while questioning the academic standing of evolution".[4]

They claim the Amendment reads "It is the sense of the Senate that -- (1) good science education should prepare students to distinguish the data or testable theories of science from philosophical or religious claims that are made in the name of science; and (2) where biological evolution is taught, the curriculum should help students to understand why this subject generates so much continuing controversy, and should prepare the students to be informed participants in public discussions regarding the subject." (Ironic bits in bold.)

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The Santorum Amendment represents a successful amendment where both Houses of U.S. Congress ultimately endorsed language which supported teaching students about the scientific controversy over biological evolution.

"Teaching the controversy" being the thinking behind intelligent design in the first place.

[edit] VDARE

Out of all the denialism they could have written about and exposed, VDARE picked denialism of...(drumroll please)...the War on Christmas![5] RationalWiki, described as "a group of more-than-usually-obnoxious atheists", features prominently among their list of deniers. VDARE takes issue with the statement in our article, "The so-called ‘War on Xmas’ is a right wing demagogic neologism referring to secular progressives' attempts to keep the December solstice holiday shopping season culturally inclusive".

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Under the heading of “So what's a war without war profiteers”, the RationalWiki guys accuse the American Family Association of profiteering off [sic] the War On Christmas because of its Naughty or Nice Christmas List of retailers that “avoid, ban, or use the term ‘Christmas’ in their advertising.” ...Of course, it’s the retailers who are profiteering—to the tune of close to 600 billion dollars in pre-Christmas sales. The AFA, like VDARE.com, is supported by (tax-deductible) donations.

[edit] Internet forums

[edit] Anglo-Saxon Foundation

Members of the Anglo-Saxon Foundation forum responded to our article about them by accusing us of being "anti-English" (inevitable, really, as they seem to consider almost every site on the Internet to be "anti-English") and repeatedly complaining that we don't criticise Islam, which will doubtless come as a surprise to the members of Islamic Awakening (see below). Our article was later discovered by a seventeen year old idiot named Sobotnik, and RationalWiki was blamed for his subsequent trolling spree.[6][7]

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You have to feel sorry (NOT!) for these pissants who have nothing better to do in their pathetic lives but sit in their lonely little rooms staring at a screen, trawling for who knows what guided by their inexperience and limited points of views, so they can mock others who do not think like them (thankfully). They must also think it makes their tiny penises bigger or something. Perhaps if they got out in the real world and did something useful with their limited time on this planet instead of fabricating derision for a site nobody reads, the world would be just that much of better place. This of course does not enter their minuscule brains. We can only hope Darwin is right... [8]

[edit] Free Republic

It seems the far-right forum Free Republic doesn't care for us either.[9] After the American Thinker wrote a piece about Rationalwiki that proved... something, they paid more attention to our wiki (apparently they don't hear about something until a wingnut website mentions it). Matthew Bracken also noticed his article though oddly enough didn't seem all that bothered by it, though he did have this to say:

Rationalwiki must believe that good Republicans: equivocate; rationalize; cave on the superior knowledge of Democrats and their think-tank allies; will do anything to keep their political power as defined by their best friends, the Democrats; look the other way when a Democrat breaks the law; believes that there are moderate muslims, and praises the efforts of CAIR and other peaceful muslim groups== list continues...

[edit] Islamic Awakening

Islamic Awakening is one of those sites where Muslim extremists, pretending to be moderate Muslims, get together to fantasise about killing people they disagree with. In 2011, they had their own awakening to RW's article on them. One user blew a few irony meters by saying "I ask Allah to grant a miserable life to everyone intentionally involved in mocking the Prophet" in reference to the article, before in the very next sentence stating that "It's very easy to go on a message board and collect random statements to blow them out of proportion or purposely misconstrue them for sensationalism..." So, quote-mining and straw-manning is wrong, unless it's you that's doing the quote-mining and straw-manning. Glad to have that one cleared up.

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I hope you forget your blender plugged in and on the ground, for some reason, and your illegitimate babies stumble into it - head first. Quote that please.[10]

[edit] LessWrong

LessWrong has an up and down relationship with RW. With a small but notable overlap in userbase and Yudkowsky's one-time insistence that hardcore rationalists can be recruited from sites like RW, it still attracts ire from LW users, quite a lot because they claim the word "rational" as theirs, dammit. And that we are the go-to site to learn about Roko's basilisk. Apparently we're the "Sith" to their "Jedi",[11] which would be a great analogy if the Sith mostly paid the Jedi no attention at all.

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Regarding the phase "Note for the clueless (i.e. RationalWiki)" (emphasis added)

Or, rather, whether that's what he meant to express; I don't believe he actually believes nobody other than RationalWiki is clueless. Roughly speaking, I would have taken it to be a subtle way of expressing that RationalWiki is so clueless nobody else deserves the label.[12]

[edit] Ludwig von Mises Institute

Members of the forum for the Ludwig von Mises Institute noticed our article about libertarians in January 2011. Considering the von Mises institute promotes the Austrian school of economics, developed by libertarian Ludwig von Mises, they weren't happy.[13]

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RationalWiki is a product of the Progressive Dawkinsian atheist, who is so immersed in the religion of liberal statism that he is not aware it is a religion. These people are intellectually of little value, simply repeating the tropes they learned in college, but they are representitive [sic] of the 'elite' in the United States.h [sic]

[edit] Metapedia

Those lovely folk at Metapedia seem to have a problem with us because... well, because we don't seem to hate everybody else. The article on RW may be a mixture of parody and satire, however; it describes RW as a "genetic-egalitarian race-denialist propaganda website", which is fair enough but stating that Richard Dawkins is RW's messiah is a bit of a leap. It is also notable for attempting to create a "power structure" of RW, based on user rights logs.

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The website fraudulently portrays itself as being “rational”, and opposed to “pseudoscience”, yet promotes exactly the thing that they claim to oppose: the irrational spiritual pseudosciences of genetic egalitarianism and race denialism. On top of such deceptiveness, Trent Toulouse solicits donations (on the website’s main page) under these false pretenses. That fits within the definition of criminal fraud.[14]

[edit] Objectivism Online

In July 2009, RW came to the attention of Objectivism Online, a forum dedicated to Randroids. A thread on this topic was closed shortly after an RW user invited them to discuss criticism on the talk page of the objectivism article.[15]

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Don't waste your time with it. The entire page is a poorly-written smear-job.

[edit] R. K. Hilbert Space

Whoever runs the above Twitter account (who describes himself as a "Metrosexual Tech Oligarch") took exception to our article on the Salem Hypothesis.

Salem Hypothesis http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Salem_Hypothesis … rational wiki is a KGB front organization. This article absolutely bleeds communist. [16]

[edit] Reddit

Not content to how they are covered, multiple communities on Reddit have variably become pissed at us.

[edit] KotakuInAction

Naturally, the angry gamers who continue to pretend that a campaign of harassing women and anyone who finds their methods disgusting is "actually about ethics in video game journalism" found the light cast on them by our Gamergate article to be unbearable.[17][18][19][20][21][22][23] RW continues to receive a steady stream of BoN's and new accounts to cry about this site not being "Rational" and for allowing "SJWs" to take over the place.

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It's a wiki that purports to be the rationalist/humanist counter to Conservapedia. And is a den for SJWs and pretentious pseudo-progressives who think they're intellectual.
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As a disclaimer, I used to anonymously edit some RationalWiki pages before (until its pages became too skewered [sic] and SJW-pandering to even consider salvaging), I'm a liberal-centrist and I'm sympathetic to the conventional and moderate strains of patriotism, nationalism and cosmopolitanism.

...And I find it hard to agree with what amounts to be a one-sided polemic masked by intellectual jargon. That's not even getting to their coverage on the LWs, gamers and GamerGate.

And a quote from a BoN
The gaming community is tired of you. The internet is tired of you. The American people are tired of you. The days of your ideologie's [sic] popularity is [sic] numbered.[24]

[edit] MensRights

After RW was put on the Skeptic sub-reddit forum in 2013, it quickly gained a couple of good up-votes and some positive comments (indeed, most RW users will agree that it's biased, and should be used as a resource rather than a reference). Then a few creeps from the MRA contingent, MensRights, decided that the place was "overrun by radical feminists" (which should have come as a surprise to Cathy Brennan). The sub-reddit then decided to "invade" (or "brigade" or whatever they call it) and mass down-vote every single comment that asked them for actual evidence that RW was overrun by radical feminists.[25] 317 comments and one piss-take response[26] later, the clusterfuck of derp finally died down.

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Patriarchy, yes you can demonstrate it, the hateful 2nd wave radical feminist conspiracy theory Patriarchy Theory that was built up around patriarchy, is just that - a hateful conspiracy theory that is contradicted by the fact a woman is more likely to be the family abuser than a man.

[edit] Shitstatistssay

Being an anarcho-capitalist subreddit, Shitstatistssay saw our articles on universal health care and Austrian school, and they didn’t like them,[27] not one little bit.[28]

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tbh I'm not going to critque something like this


Not a serious article. Just smug ignorance. Oh and it kicks off with a quote from one the guys responsible for modern neo-Keynesian economics (and communist apologist).[29]

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The entire website is like that.

It is indeed fitting that the site's logo is that of a brain, as it offers an insight into the warped and twisted mind of the statist.[30]

[edit] The Right Stuff

The hordes of the The Right Stuff already have our target brand in mind. RationalWiki, a site that has surely been a thorn in the side of all sane people, has been polluting the internet with obnoxious political snark and a pretense to 'rationality' (which is always biased towards liberalism circa insert-current-year-here) since it first began as a really bad Encyclopedia Dramatica rip-off in 2007.[31]
...I am calling upon all writers from the Right, whether you wish Hitler won WWII or just kind of wish Romney won the presidency, whether you're an obscure monarchial neoreactionary or an Odin LARPer, to help us rip down and spit in the face of RationalWiki. There are more than enough articles to destroy, whatever the topic.[32]

[edit] Ron Paul Forums

In a thread from April 2009 titled "And you thought liberalpedia was bad,"[33] several Ron Paul fans expressed dismay and resentment at RW's admitted left-of-Ron-Paul political stance and info on Ron Paul.

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If it computers were cheaper, I'd have thrown my computer out the window in anger. It is so stupid and full [of] rash generalizations, non sequiturs, and idiotic assumptions about the marketplace. "RationalWiki" is about as rational as the average communist.

[edit] SCEPCOP

RationalWiki was criticised in a thread at the SCEPCOP forum started by Winston Wu himself.[34]

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Did Bigfoot piss in their proverbial Cheerios? LOL.[35]

[edit] Stormfront

Stormfront users have, on several of their forum posts, expressed their anger at our distinct lack of concern about the threat of white genocide.

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You art [sic] probably aware of the libtard site called rationalwiki.org. It includes a totally biased and insulting page denigrating sf. One thing they do is dismiss the need for white racial survival as if it were a crackpot idea, without explaining why whites supposedly don't need to worry about their survival or explaining our position. [36]

[edit] Vanguard News Network

As it is a forum which is basically Stormfront Junior, it goes without saying that Vanguard News Network does not like us.

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"Rational Wiki" is like a kiked up version of Wikipedia on steroids - and Wikipedia is well-known as a kike cabal of censorship and strict political orthodoxy.

There's nothing rational about Rational Wiki at all - it's like walking into a Satanic synagogue of camel-faced, hook-nosed, hate-filled Khazar vampires. All around you are the inbred Ashkenazi swine, bobbing their heads up and down, speaking in Yiddish and broken English and spitting and spewing their vitriol with every other world being "Nazi" "Anti-Semite" and "racist".[37]

[edit] Whitaker Online

Whitaker Online is the website of Bob Whitaker, author of the infamous mantra "Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-white". Several commenters on the site were not too fond of our article.

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Just pathetic, the author really doesn’t know what we stand for and probably relied on information from our enemies. The reason I am so pissed is because when people on sites like Youtube see our comment and decide to Google it, they might come across this twisted description of us.[38]

[edit] Woden's Folk

Woden's Folk is a neopagan organisation based around an "ancient prophecy" which is so vague as to be meaningless (something about a bloke with a hood, Herne the Hunter, days of the lion, light and darkness and trembling guilty people). When we revealed the fact that this "ancient prophecy" actually originated in the 1980s television series Robin of Sherwood, certain members of the cult were less than pleased. One supporter, calling himself "Eassex cempa" (The translation, as far as I can manage, from horribly mangled Old English is Essex Warrior), tried to cover the group's backside with some nonsense about "Wyrd" and an argument by analogy involving compost. Curiously, he also implied that RationalWiki is a pro-Catholic site, and that we were making a specifically left-wing criticism — as though the mainstream right sees nothing wrong with worshipping Robin of Sherwood.

The group dislikes having its views discussed in public.[39] Wonder why that could be...

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It's funny how the central core of wyrd of our folkish faith is understood by us and never understood by the oh-so moral lefty arses.

Wyrd had me doing a random chain of searches via google and the ensuing linked topics last night. The linked topic took me to the WF page on theRational Wankie site for the critique of all and sundry that the left don't like. One thing they got all moist about on Rationalwiki was the usage the Hooded Man prophecy from the 80s Robin Hood. Well all fair in a world that does not have a Northern Germanic faith that, as mentioned above, has wyrd at its core. The left may well see nothing wrong with the pope getting revelation from the White Christ and then transmitting it to the faithful, so why is Wulf of WF picked out for seeing a revelation in the works of a person, priest or not, who just happens to write for a program. As it is said, Wyrd goes where it must and if it needed to find an outlet via the pen of another then so be it. Let's be honest here, putting diluted animal shite on the field you grow food crops on sounds disgusting if you don't understand the mechanism involved in the crop, so if you don't understand the web of wyrd then how can you judge the harvest of revelation and the field from which it came forth.[40]

[edit] The World Freeman Society

The World Freeman Society has a forum supporting the "freeman on the land" concept. They were not pleased with our article on the subject, but seemed confused as to what site it appeared on, as some people referred to it as a Wikipedia article.[41][42] One member referred to RationalWiki as "the communists" and pointed out that the authors' names were not listed on the article, which shows a slightly wobbly understanding of how wikis generally work.[43]

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Someone should sue wiki for spreading malicious propaganda with intent to provoke violence.[44]

[edit] /r/aznidentity

/r/aznidentity is a subreddit accused rationalwiki of being racist because ... uh... we don't like pseudoscience? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯:[45]

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Actually, I would argue that rationalwiki is inherently racist, in that they view themselves as "rational" so that everything they oppose is "irrational." From what I've seen so far of it, they too often ignore the cultural, social, and philosophical issues that surround the issues they oppose. While they mostly focus their ire on Islam, that outlook nevertheless bleeds over into other facets of their opinion. Rationalwiki is imperialist by supporting the status quo and silencing non-western ideas as irrational or superstitious. While as far as I know they don't have a bone to pick with Asians, I don't consider them my friends.

Whether intentionally or unintentionally as a side-effect, the bottom line is that rationalwiki has a western-centric borderline imperialist view. They support New-Atheists such as Sam Harris who are known imperialists. Of course they're going to paint whites who go to Asian countries in a good light. If you want to change how they view sexpats, you're going to have to change their whole business model.

That's why it isn't worth your time. We're not just dealing with unintentional racists here, or even well-meaning fascists. The whole place is misguided from first-principles to its conclusions, and dealing with them will take more out of you than anything you can get from it.

[edit] Individuals

[edit] Cathy Brennan

Man-hatin', trans-hatin' radical feminist Cathy Brennan noticed our article on her (about five minutes after it was created by a new user, go figure) and responded by taking the "yay, we struck a blow to the oppressors" tack. The most disturbing part came with a full cyber-stalking of our very own Blue, with some choice comments that don't need reprinting. A swiftly reverted edit to the article on transphobia, calling it an emotive reaction to silence "criticism" of transgender people, also caused some pain on the blog's comments, and she then returned to call the goat-loving Rationalwiki "...a known manarchist bro space!"[46] Though where, exactly, it's well "known" as such is still a mystery. Particularly to the MRAs.

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BTW, you should totes update that RationalWiki page to say I am standing outside of your house selling magazine subscriptions RIGHT NOW.[47]

[edit] Carl Gallups

Pastor Carl Gallups, aka PPSIMMONS, took offense at his portrayal in the RW article and posted a point-by-point "refutation" on his blog that makes for an hilarious read.[48]

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This rationalwiki article was so full of errors that it simply begs the question - if they are so wrong on such a simple matter (simple because the truth was so easily accessible) then how much less should they be trusted on issues that really matter? By that we mean issues of eternal consequence like eternal life, transcendental realities, and salvation. If they could not get the identity of PPSIMMONS right, how could they ever get the truth about God right? Answer: they cannot. They are living in a delusion: the most closed-minded philosophical delusion facing our time.

[edit] Historyblogcritic

A ranting semi-literate blogger who has written two frenzied over-the-top tirades dedicated to us.[49][50] If one enters the search term "Rationalwiki" on the blog multiple additional references can be found in the same style. He's also got a downer on what he calls our "sister site" — Wikipedia and "all the other skewed Wikipedia agenda sites like Conservapedia".[51] Apparently we hate religion, but love Islam, somehow.

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They are creeps and ultra-fanatical in their beliefs about discrediting all the wackos out there on the web that they do not like, nor care about. They are truly out there, more out there than the galaxy itself. That is if you want to define it.

They like to call critics of Islam, Islamophobic because they love Islam because it undermines the Christianity that they hate to death. Their hatred of religious people is unrivaled in my opinion.

Their stupid and idiotic crusade has to stop otherwise it will kill us all.

RationalWiki is quite simply, an abomination of science and in no way represents science, but rather the narrow beliefs of a few atheists who claim that science is on their side with discrediting God and other strange beliefs, but in reality is not because science cannot interfere with beliefs in religion, nor can religion interfere with science, especially evolution and creation.

Google of course shills for these people by promoting this “thinking man’s encyclopedia” that is not factual, but full of loaded opinions of people that are quite full of themselves.

[edit] Karajou

Sometimes referred to as Conservapedia's "resident swabbie", Karajou holds the distinction of being the Conservapedian most obsessed with RW. Forget User:Conservative's "red telephone" messages, or Andrew Schlafly personally coining the term "Hot. Science. RationalWiki", Karajou has taken it off-wiki and to his own blog and various leaked email comments where he has been shown to fantasise about suing the site and holds delusions that the entire site is responsible for DDoS attacks against Conservapedia (as if anyone who edits RW has the technical knowledge to pull that one off...). His paranoia knows no bounds. Such is Karajou's terror of RationalWiki, that he can no longer even bring himself to speak its name, referring to it as "Otisburg", a reference to a scene from the 1978 film Superman, featuring the character of Otis, the dimwitted henchman of a deranged megalomaniac.

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It's called RationalWiki. A place called a "trash heap" by one, and "inhabited by thugs" by another. They're on record as using "cyber-terror tactics" in an effort to remove Conservapedia from the internet; they're the ones who employ DDoS attacks, major and minor vandalism, links to porn and worse...and all because they were thrown out of Conservapedia when they couldn't get their way.[52]

[edit] Seán Manchester

Seán Manchester is a vampire-hunting Bishop (seriously). But rather than being one of the cool kind from the movies that don a pair of sunglasses and go on a kick-ass killing spree against the legions of the Undead, Manchester confines himself to blog ravings. After one RW user began writing an article on him, he decided to take action by decrying it all as falsehoods, taking up most of his blogging time around January 2010. The quote below comes from one of his posts in January, summing up his opinion of the site.[53]

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Deconverting folk from Christianity clearly appears to be a mission close to their heart. For them a Christian is someone who "must handle snakes, hate homosexuals, go door-to-door like the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons, roll-in-the sawdust, babble-in-tongues, rock back and forth with your eyes rolled back in your head, eschew card playing, eschew dancing, eschew Demon Rum, campaign for the prohibition of alcohol and other drugs, send the man on the TV your money, flog your children (and stone them if they object), make anti-Semitic remarks (ala Pat Robertson and Billy Graham), burn CDs (in the literal sense involving fire, not the sense of recording CDs) which spew Satanic messages (that you were explicitly looking for) when you play them backwards, watch for black helicopters, look for commies under every bed, preach that the UN is going to invade America, join a militia, take Harry Potter books out of schools, believe that your beliefs must be the law for everyone (because 'we' have to 'get right' with God), and believe that the existence of a single non-Christian anywhere in the world means that you're being oppressed."

[edit] Dennis Markuze

Dennis Markuze is a strange individual who posts barely coherent screeds on forums with large atheist populations. The term "pissed at us" does not seem entirely accurate, largely because it is hard to gauge his emotional state (he instead comes across as being a rather different kind of "pissed") but he certainly did not appreciate our article on him. In one edit he twice proclaimed it to be "JUDGMENT DAY" while insulting James Randi;[54] "for little dick pz... ATHEIST GENOCIDE" he said in another edit, linking to a forum thread which has now been deleted but was presumably another one of his rants.[55]

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lying fuckers[56]

[edit] Kevin Martin

Kevin Martin turned up to object about our article on him and his site TheWeatherSpace.com, edit warring and complaining that "75% of the stuff on there [is] libel." Also went nuts on the RW Facebook group.

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"If this is not taken care of we will put an article out with libelous stuff on it about your company, including hosting child pornography. We are connected to Google News at TheWeatherSpace.com and we will most certainly make your site a living nightmare for not listening to us.

You are to REMOVE what we tell you, and I am the CEO of the company and I have that power to publish a libelous article about your site. We will accuse all staff members of child pornography and it will go on the top search engine searches for your site. We will further encourage all to not associate and/or donate to your site.

Do you really want to start a war with me, son?

Kevin Martin TheWeatherSpace.com CEO"

[edit] Bill Muehlenberg

Bill Muehlenberg[57] feels extra-special persecuted about us.

RationalWiki I just stumbled upon one the other day. I don’t necessarily want to draw attention to these hate sites, nor do I usually spend any time looking through them. But this one was from an atheist wiki site. I will just offer the first statement from the page: “Bill Muehlenberg is an American-Australian Christian and homophobic/transphobic hate leader.”

Such is life when you seek to serve God, stand up for truth in the public arena, and promote biblical values in an ungodly and demonic-controlled culture. So it should come as no surprise to get such hate, abuse, persecution and vilification. It goes with the territory. It is part of the Christian’s job description.

[edit] Mohamed El Naschie

El Naschie is an Egyptian mathematician and crank. He has a particular dislike of us, though we are not sure why, as no-one here can read Arabic and the machine translation is... lacking.

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Machine translated into English: Beware as well as university students and young researchers from the dependence on Aloueckabidia source of information and there is worse, there are monster in the hands of people suspected the so-called Rashinal Wiki How is a blog written by the suspects for the purposes of far from the public good in many cases, and up to slander and assassinate the reputation of innocent In some cases, and that in return for paying small amounts, as well as to market goods through advertisements in the same page, which gives the suspicious information.[58]

[edit] Notedscholar, of Science and Math Defeated

Warning: Poe's Law is in full effect for this entry.

Notedscholar wasn't too happy about our article on Science and Math Defeated, as indicated by his blog post during January 2009. At one point Notedscholar seemed to get confused by the way the Internet worked, saying "losers at RationalWiki want a piece of my pageviews" after RW linked to Science and Maths Defeated. Just think about this one for a minute and the way round that interaction works regarding who gets a piece of whose pageviews.

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Look at this. Apparently thinking they haven’t been discredited enough, the unorganized hate fest oxymoronically called Rational Wiki have put up a hit job on me. As you can see, it’s not gaining any steam. There are apparently a record number of gutless users who “vote” for my blog, but no one is willing to reveal themselves. Not surprising.

The moral of the story is: if you can’t take the heat, set up your own closed Internet society. In fact, take a page from Orwell and call it rational.[59]

[edit] Denyse O'Leary

Denyse O'Leary is a journalist and proponent of non-materialist neuroscience. She discovered our article on such,[60] which was highly critical of her, Mario Beauregard, and Michael Egnor. Obviously, she responded by making specific points about the science behind non-materialist neuroscience and didn't just attack RW for mixing up the order of authors of her book and not mentioning that others have written about the topic too. Wait, no.

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Trent: You are an embodiment of just what is wrong with your tradition.

You make your site LOOK LIKE Wikipedia, but now you claim that it is not, after all, an encyclopedia.

No, it isn’t. It is a rubbish dump of detraction.

I have given you the names of many more people to detract - every one of whom is certainly a more thoughtful and creative person than you could ever hope to be.

Thus your dump will grow. And if you seek your monument, look around you.

I am sure it’s the world’s fault if the world doesn’t think you are any Christopher Wren.

[edit] Mensur Omerbashich

Omerbashich is a small-time conspiracy-loving crank with an interest in Comet Elenin. It seems that in July 2011 his annoyance with the stuff that the Internet was saying about him reached its peak and he went on a spree of email writing and complaints to any websites that mentioned him, successfully getting Blogger to remove (albeit temporarily) the main blog post refuting his work. Before you could say Streisand Effect he had his own RW article of fair length and detail. He has a giant CAPSLOCK rant on his website declaring all of his critics a part of a grand conspiracy, including Google, NASA, Cornell University and RW.

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[edit] Luke Rudkowski and friends

While conservative conspiracy theorist Luke Rudkowski has not directly condemned RationalWiki for our critique on his persona, our page on him has been subjected to a series of anonymous attacks. One simply needs to check the Fossil Record on his page to see that it has been subjected to many pseudo-criticisms by anonymous users, who simply either blank out detail on Rudkowski they do not appreciate, or insert immensely hurtful insults such as "this is a load of presumptuous crap!" Placing into consideration the anonymity of these attacks, it is unknown as to whether Rudkowski has launched any of them himself.

The page of conspiracy theorist Mark Dice, a friend of Rudkowski, was also blanked on a couple of occasions by anonymous users. Dice is yet to attack us for our page on him, but we're sure he'll get to it soon.

[edit] Rome Viharo

Crank enabler, egomaniac and internet troll extraordinaire Rome Viharo tried to prove he's not a troll...by trolling the RW Talk page.[62]

On the 8th of June 2016, Rome claimed via Twitter that "This year I'm going to be initiating legal recourses" against RationalWiki.[63] (And the crowd goes mild!)

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You already had the opportunity to 'ignore' me. It's too late for that. Stopping now just means it will be less time consuming for me. You've written a highly misleading and harassing article on me, design [sic] to demean and humiliate me. You're bullies. You're using wiki forums to troll people and hiding behind their infrastructure to do so. Now you're going to get attention for that.[64]
Nah, I'm just getting warmed up with ya! You're helping me keep the drama alive and being the perfect foil. Keep it coming! [62]

[edit] Witch Hammer (Twitter handle)

Don't know the gentleman (or lady) but they have taken somewhat of an objection to our article on JayMan.

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This reads like parody. RationalWiki has always been a leftist pit-toilet but this may be their magnum opus.[65]

[edit] YouKnowIAmRight

YouKnowIAmRight (Clive to his friends) ran a now-defunct YouTube account with a number of interesting videos, including a speech by David Irving on Holocaust revisionism, footage of aliens and a conversation with the ghost of Douglas Adams.[66] A believer in the "freeman on the land" concept, Clive made a whole video expressing his umbrage at our article on the subject.

Top quote (after finding that RationalWiki's IP address is registered to Dr. Peter Lipson)
Lipson Name MeaningJewish (eastern Ashkenazic): variant of Libson, a metronymic from the Yiddish female personal name Libe, from Yiddish ‘love’.Jewish (eastern Ashkenazic): patronymic from the Yiddish personal name Lipe (a short form of Lipman).English: patronymic from Lipp 2.English: habitational name from Lipson in Devon, which is possibly named from Old English hliep ‘leap’, ‘steep place’ + stan ‘stone’ so he's an AHSKANAZIM JEW probably a fucking Zionist.

[edit] Abuz Zubair

Abuz Zubair (proprietor of the aforementioned Islamic Awakening) took exception to our article on him, moaning "My son should sue the pigs for libel."[67]

Top quote (from one of Zubair's supporters)
RationalWiki is maintained by 14 to 24 year old biased hipster atheist. Written in a patronizing and narcissistic tone their menial site gets barely any attention, so they have to seek it by being provocative in the hopes that someone will be offended enough to actually care. This is not an insult, nor am I trying to degrade anyone, it is just a fact.

Whoever gets their facts from a website like that, whether Muslim or not, isn't deserving a morsel of anyone[']s time anyway. Besides, what would you sue them for? These are teenagers whose belongings range from dirty socks to twilight posters. Good luck brother.

[edit] Dewey Larson

Ever since we started covering Dewey Larson's particular flavour of truly military-grade pseudoscience back in March of 2012,[68] Larson — the (as of 2016, still active[69]) inventor and master architect of reciprocal theory (the soon-to-be-recognized grand theory of everything) — took serious offense. He also—with no sense of irony—took issue with the amount of science on RationalWiki (which isn't primarily about science in the first place).

  • May 18, 2012 — Larson posts Response to Rationalwiki.org Article on Dewey B. Larson, in which he goes through our article on him and his theory word for word and issues us grumpy miniscule corrections, technobabble, galileo gambits and various escape hatches.[70]
  • October 21, 2012 — Larson posts another, quote: "Step-by-Step Refutation of the “RationalWiki.org” Nonsense Article About Dewey B. Larson", this time titled Update: Critical Rejoinder to RationalWiki Article on Dewey B. Larson.[71]
  • October 23, 2012 — Having gloriously battled accosted us on the reciprocal theory talk page, Larson decides to post yet another step-by-step guide in anal retentiveness, this time titled Refutation of RationalWiki.org Talk Page Nonsense about Dewey B. Larson[72]
  • July 30, 2013 — Larson "decided to take deeper look" at RationalWiki. It would appear — based on his astounding levels of grump — that he must've leaned in so close as to poke himself right in the ol' spotter.[73]
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According to "RationalWiki.org," the Reciprocal System is "psedoscience", so we decided to take a deeper look at “RationalWiki.” It turns out that this supposed online encyclopedia is just an outline, more or less, and a very poor one at that; it seems like the articles are written for 9th graders. Very few of the articles have scientific value. We could find no article on space-time, electric current, thermal current, capacitors, magnetism, stellar energy generation, or galactic structure. We did find some very weak articles on radiation, atoms, subatomic particles, chemistry, gravity, and stars. There is only a one sentence description of cosmology! Thus, it’s obvious that there is vastly more real science here on our Reciprocal System Database site, https://transpower.wordpress.com. Forget about “RationalWiki.org”–it’s a pseudo-encylopedia!

[edit] Manufacturers

[edit] Dynamiclear

Dynamiclear are unusual in that they actually came to RW to discuss things on the talk page of their article and were actually reasonable in their requests. Initially an email was sent accusing the site of slander and in the pocket of Dynamiclear's competitors (could all members of RW involved in the cold sore business please raise your hand?) but it wasn't long until a user appeared to discuss more specific criticisms with the article's principal authors. Undoubtedly, the extra attention lavished on the article because of this improved it considerably.

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Hi People, by the overall tone of the Dynamiclear page it seems you still think our product is not genuine so I would like to make you an offer: If anyone of you has cold sores or herpes we would love to provide you with a sample of Dynamiclear. You can see first hand the results it offers. This offer will be available for a limited time and to only a few members. So let me know if you really want to find out if Dynamiclear actually works.[74]

[edit] H2Om

In September 2010, RationalWiki was graced by the visit of Lex Lang, founder of "H2Om:Water with Intention". Lex wasn't exactly thrilled that RW described his product as an overpriced example of water woo, and tried to whitewash the article several times. Owing to the Streisand effect, this only attracted the attention of other editors and led to increased scrutiny and the expansion of the article.

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as I said...There is a difference between a skeptic and a hater. I am skeptical of people who believe they know what is possible and what is not. This belief leads to dogmatism, and to the dismissal of ideas and evidence that do not fit in. Genuine skepticism involves an attitude of open-minded enquiry into what we do not understand, and this is the approach I try to follow. I've already taken too much time trying to share details of this business and its positive nature. It costs less than regular bottled water, it has an inspiring nature to it, it motivates people to have positive thoughts while providing clean spring water to drink.[75]

[edit] Legal threats

[edit] William Dembski

In November 2009, cdesign proponentist William Dembski posted in his blog Uncommon Descent that RW's article The Search for a Search - Measuring the Information Cost of Higher Level Search constituted copyright infringement.[76][77] Though RW server owner Trent willingly provided contact information, Dembski never followed through.

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RationalWiki is reprinting large portions of an article I did with Robert Marks that far exceeds anything permissible under “fair use” copyright protections. I was getting ready to contact my attorney about having them remove our article from their website (go here — I’ve saved this page in case it changes as a consequence of this post), but couldn’t find any contact information on the site.

Question: Who is running this site and how to contact them?

[edit] Ramanand Jhingade

Somebody using the name "Wth" posted to RationalWiki claiming to be Ramanand Jhingade and objecting to our article about him.[78] There was some speculation as to whether or not he was the real deal.[79] Naturally, over a year later, he left a childish rant against Tmtoulouse over on Wiki4CAM.

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You have also defamed people who are licensed, qualified doctors by calling them quacks. If you delete the web-pages we asked, it's gonna be fine or else my friend, an astral projectionist is going to bring you to justice.[80]

[edit] Kent Hovind

In February 2014, noted young Earth creationist Kent Hovind sued the RationalWiki Foundation in federal court for defamation, requesting damages of $2.5 million. His complaint is available here.

[edit] Kevin Martin, part deux

On an otherwise uneventful April of 2014, Kevin Martin came to his article's talk page in which he demanded that we remove references to his site TheWeatherSpace, as it was trademarked. Once he realized that's not how trademarks work, he settled on suing for libel. Eventually, he produced a list of things to add and to remove in his article;[81] members of this site were not slow to notice that many of his claims were... bizarre, to say the least. After a polite refusal, he doubled down and decided to add a cyberstalking suit on top of that.[82]

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WHAT YOU ADD ... - "Kevin Martin has autism, which enables him to forecast the weather. Why? Because someone with the disorder focuses on one subject their entire life. That is why people with the disorder can be good at music, math, numbers, and various sciences. Albert Einstein was said to have this disorder. Here is your link reference to this - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/2988647.stm On top of that, Martin is a strong believer in God. Attending Church weekly, Martin believes he was born with a gift from God to forecast the weather and save lives."

[edit] Northants English Welfare Society

A rather curious example. The minor nationalist organisation NEWS is covered briefly and in almost entirely neutral terms on our article about the Steadfast Trust, but a representative of the group nonetheless objected strongly enough to repeatedly remove chunks of information.[83][84] In the process, of course, the society gave us a very good reason to make fun of it. The anonymous NEWS member made a brief legal threat in the process, although exactly what the group expects us to be charged with is unclear.

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Northants English Welfare Society is concerned that biased left - wing malcontents will re-edit this section and similar articles concerning the society and are seeking legal advice to counter such activities.[85]

[edit] External links

There's many, many more.

[edit] Footnotes

  1. https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/474227-my-own-opinion-is-enough-for-me-and-i-claim
  2. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=RationalWiki%3ASaloon_bar&diff=1238321&oldid=1238314
  3. http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2014/11/rationalwiki_emamerican_thinkerem_is_a_wingnut_publication.html
  4. Media Promoting Misinformation about the Santorum Amendment
  5. James Fulford: Announcing VDARE.com’s War On Christmas Competition 2011—Defy The Deniers!
  6. http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1178194
  7. http://www.englisc-gateway.com/bbs/topic/34421-facepunch-asks-questions/
  8. File:Anglo-Saxon_Foundation_on_RationalWiki_page_4.png
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  10. http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f38/we-have-our-own-wiki-48911/index3.html#post509331
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  12. http://lesswrong.com/lw/4g/eliezer_yudkowsky_facts/
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  17. Behold, RationalWiki's GamerGate "Article" at Present: A Testament to Pretentious Hypocrisy and Irrational Double Standards
  18. I used to troll Conervapedia.... Now they have a better gamergate article then RationalWiki... Makes me sad
  19. Anti-GG's recent strawman take on GG is that we are all sockpuppets to a Neo-Reactionary movement. Thoughts?
  20. Not directly relevant to GamerGate, but this RationalWiki essay on Nationalism shows the kind of smug, pseudo-academic quality the site's associated with, including its GamerGate "coverage."
  21. What IS up with RationalWiki?
  22. RationalWiki goes full retard
  23. Did anyone else know about Rationalwiki jumping on the SJW corruption bandwagon? I'm genuinely disappointed
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  25. Reddit - You Should Know about Rational Wiki
  26. http://sphericalbullshit.wordpress.com/2013/07/07/femme-heil-2/
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  28. http://np.reddit.com/r/Shitstatistssay/comments/1l2bs2/try_and_see_if_you_can_get_through_this_article/
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  36. https://www.stormfront.org/forum/t1144460/
  37. https://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?p=1673462
  38. http://www.whitakeronline.org/blog/topic/look-at-how-rational-wiki-org-portrays-us/
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  42. http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?p=100954#p100954
  43. http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?p=99881#p99881
  44. http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?p=91304#p91304
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  48. PPSIMMONS: PPSIMMONS Slams Atheist Site Rationalwiki on Erroneous Posting
  49. RationalWiki The Encyclopedia that is an Insane Asylum. historyblogcritic. 2012 October 1.
  50. RationalWiki’s OCD like obssessions. historyblogcritic. 2013 June 27.
  51. "Wikipedia is a joke along with RationalWiki and all the other skewed Wikipedia agenda sites like Conservapedia, so do not use them at all."Wikipedia's "Fringe Theory" Anti-Intellectual Nonsense. historyblogcritic. 2012 August 6.
  52. http://karajou.blogspot.com/2011/03/coward-part-2.html
  53. http://web.archive.org/web/20120203174416/http://bishopseanmanchester.blogspot.com/2010/01/what-is-rational-wiki.html
  54. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Dennis_Markuze&diff=prev&oldid=732980
  55. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Dennis_Markuze&diff=prev&oldid=783409
  56. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Dennis_Markuze&diff=prev&oldid=752687
  57. You will be hated
  58. In the original Arabic and...Translated to English via Google
  59. Notedscholar. Losers at RationalWiki want a piece of my pageviews. Science and Math Defeated. 2009 January 19.
  60. http://mindfulhack.blogspot.com/2007_08_29_archive.html
  61. Omberbashich's website (archived by WebCite)
  62. 62.0 62.1 http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARome_Viharo&diff=1272184&oldid=1272183
  63. https://twitter.com/rome_viharo/status/740651473143402500
  64. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Rome_Viharo/Archive1#Well_you_put_Rome_in_Rational_Wiki_to_begin_with
  65. https://twitter.com/Witch_Hammer/status/508135045455163392/photo/1h
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  71. https://reciprocalsystem.guru/2012/10/21/update-critical-rejoinder-to-rationalwiki-article-on-dewey-b-larson/
  72. https://reciprocalsystem.guru/2012/10/23/refutation-of-rationalwiki-org-talk-page-nonsense-about-dewey-b-larson/
  73. https://reciprocalsystem.guru/2013/07/30/the-simplistic-irrational-nature-of-rationalwiki-org/
  74. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dynamiclear&diff=prev&oldid=644244
  75. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:H2Om&diff=prev&oldid=650437
  76. http://www.uncommondescent.com/legal/rationalwiki-copyright-infringement/
  77. http://archive.is/oXUBL
  78. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Ramanand_Jhingade&diff=prev&oldid=708522
  79. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Ramanand_Jhingade#Impersonator
  80. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARamanand_Jhingade&action=historysubmit&diff=955582&oldid=886181
  81. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Kevin_Martin/Archive1#Stuff_To_Remove_Completely.2C_Stuff_to_ADD.2C_and_Stuff_To_Keep
  82. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Kevin_Martin/Archive1#Time_For_Talk_Is_Over
  83. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Steadfast_Trust&diff=prev&oldid=1119081
  84. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Steadfast_Trust&diff=prev&oldid=1119071
  85. http://rationalwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Steadfast_Trust&diff=prev&oldid=1119054
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