RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive108

Oxyaena

I would like to present a coop case against @Oxyaena. I am frustrated with her behavior and I would like to see some remedy to this. Two aspects that consistently happen over and over: general toxicity (insults, provocations, personal attacks) and her tendency to revert my edits, many times without explanation or engagement.

I. Toxicity (mostly to me, but not limited to):

• [1] "asshole"
• [2] "miserable piece of shit"
• [3] "jackasses", "fuckers" (not only me but also against Gunther)
• [4] "dumb fuck"
• [5] "idiot"
• [6] "fucker"
• [7] "ass"
• [8] "incapable of learning/reading"
• [9] "fucker" (2)
• [10] "piss off"
• [11] "piece of shit" (against Hastur)
• [12] "this liberal" (as a pejorative, against user Nerd)
• [13] (against HBC)
• [14] "asshole" (2; against me, Ace and Scream)
• [15] "asshole (3; against Ace)

II. Reverting/undoing/editwarring my edits systematically (for no other purpose than to provoke me):

• [16] Talk:Destiny (person)
• [17] Socialist Party USA
• [18] Zionism
• [19] Karl Marx (1)
• [20] Karl Marx (2)
• [21] Karl Marx (3)
• [22] No True Scotsman (1)
• [23] No True Scotsman (2)
• [24] China
• [25] Socdemnav (1)
• [26] Socdemnav (2)

I am fairly sure I missed some instances, but she is a toxic person. She undermines this very project. She shows no sign of change or willingness to change. If you want to keep this user on this website regardless of how many people she may discourage to join or encourages to leave, regardless of how much she hampers the editing of articles, regardless of how she treats others... Then I do not know what I can do. This is a desperate appeal to the community to punish her for obvious toxic behavior that is clearly excessive, and that she does to not only me, but others. She already lost her tech and sysop status and continues to behave like this. However, if she can behave like this without any punishment, then there is a clear stance of acceptance of her conduct. Alea iacta est. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 19:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Wait, when did she have tech status? That's not something you mess around with not that I'm particularly deserving of itCoryUsar (talk) 19:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Oh yeah, whether or not to take it away on the grounds she was abusing it was quite the argument a few months ago(was it a few months? even I can't remember...). I can't blame you for not knowing about it-sifting through all the GR-bage is quite tiring.-Flandres (talk) 19:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

For the record I revoked tech status myself. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:01, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

For the record - you would have lost it anyway so stop pretending you did something noble. Ace^Moderator 21:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Blocking

Endorse something (this isn't a vote)

1. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 19:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Endorse Nothing (this isn't a vote)

1. Pathetic. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 19:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
2. What crow said.-Flandres (talk) 19:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
3. You read my mind, Flandres. Lmao. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
4. This is super stupid. Next time GR coops a user over something so ridiculously non-coop worthy, I'll coop him myself. Please don't waste the community's time and set up even more drama over shit like this GR. ShabiDOO 19:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
5. At most, Oxy is guilty of being "mildly annoying", which at most deserves a trout upside the head.

Whack! You've been whacked with a wet trout. Don't take this too seriously. Somebody just wants to let you know you did something silly.

I could be wrong and my vote could change, but, eh. CoryUsar (talk) CoryUsar (talk) 19:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

1. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
2. This is stupid. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:14, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Goat

1. Good god, Raven, why are you continuing to stir shit like this? You compared me to a murderous dictator, have said numerous problematic things (such as equating anarchists to fascists etc), and yet I haven't cooped you in months. I was willing to let this slide. Jesus Christ, Raven, you said you'd improve and you haven't. Be better, I`m not falling for your bait this time. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
2. Don't make votes within 48 hours of starting the coop. Also, this is literally using the mob to further a current dispute. Proposing immediate archival and consideration of boomerang because this is just a bad faith cooping. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 19:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Heartily seconded.-Flandres (talk) 19:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Seconded.

   Except when I was cooped, the 48 hours were ignored. I am following precedent. That's all. (See: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/RationalWiki:Chicken_coop/Archive104) — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 19:25, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Shouldn’t have started a vote so quickly. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   That was because other people deemed that any useful discussion to be had on your conduct had expired. I didn't open your coop with a vote because that's not what you're supposed to do when cooping someone. You're supposed to open up a discussion and eventually leading out of that someone else may consider a punishment vote. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 19:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   I'm only following precedent. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 19:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   So you're categorically incapable of admitting responsibility for your own actions. Wonderful. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Did you read the part where crow did not open with a vote, GR?-Flandres (talk) 19:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   I withdrew my vote because I’m uncertain about this coop case’s legitimacy. Also a month is super excessive, I was thinking a week at most. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

3. How about an interaction ban between Raven and Oxy? Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:32, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   That's fair, but I think it should go with the topic ban as well. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   I have advocated for a topic ban in the past, and I will do so again here. Even if it has the effect of giving this pathetic charade of a coop case even the mere pretension of legitimacy.-Flandres (talk) 19:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   It's the very definition of a tantrum lmao. But aside from that, I`m fine with the topic ban. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:38, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   I'd suggest yes on both an interaction and a topic ban. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 19:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   No, if she doesn't get punished for her behavior I'll just leave. No topic or interaction ban needed. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 19:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Sayonara. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:41, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   You will find that trick does not get you far when only a handful of users place any great value on you, GR. Even noted obstinate firebrand Ikanreed could co-operate with a simple topic ban.-Flandres (talk) 19:43, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Threatening to leave doesn’t work on anyone. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

4. I don't think this is worthy of a coop case. Ad hominems are contrary to civility, however, 1) Oxy, you should cut out this inflammatory language: it's not helping your case. 2) GR, in general, it would be better to tell the person making incivil remarks to knock if off. If they fail to do so, you have other options: give the person a short-term block, or bring the problem directly to a moderator. Bongolian (talk) 20:09, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   @Bongolian She was blocked. Then Spud unblocked her. This is my last plea to do something about her. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:10, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   You blocked for 0 seconds, then Gunther blocked her for vandalism for 9 hours, and Spud unblocked her because he said it wasn't vandalism. You could have blocked her for 9 hours to 3 days since the inflammatory language has been persistent. Bongolian (talk) 20:18, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Ok, so I can block her for 9 hours then? Aight. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:19, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Can you at least use an excuse other than edit warring? Crow literally proved to you she was not edit-warring before Gunther blocked her.-Flandres (talk) 20:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   "You could have done X" is not the same as "go do X". I would think someone as smart as Raven would already know as much... ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Also, does bongolian know we were reaching a consensus not to block? Mods can't fight the community.-Flandres (talk) 20:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   I did not give permission to anyone to do anything. Sysops already have the right to block people for misbehavior, and it should not be abused. Incivility is contrary to our rules of behavior, so it is inherently worthy of a block, but blocking should be used judiciously: allowing people to cool off, apologize, and improve. Bongolian (talk) 20:38, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Okay, first let me apologize to you, and second...GR seems to have also not quite gotten what you said.-Flandres (talk) 20:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

5. As a rule of thumb for life in general, when people start cracking it "it's either her or me" that is a good time to, how shall we say, carefully disengage with that person,hmhmhm....-Flandres (talk) 20:14, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Proposing archiving this Coop as it is a disingenuous waste of our time

For not wasting our time

1. For ShabiDOO 19:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
2. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
3. Im not sure what GR wanted to accomplish with this, anyway. What did he think would happen? I find it funny he feels the need to create a far-left conspiracy to explain his chilly reception. We "crazed red fascists" could not possibly hurt him as much as he hurts himself.-Flandres (talk) 20:06, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

   Those spooky scary socialists are out to get him lmao. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:08, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

4. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 20:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

For wasting the community's time

1. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
2. Yes, this coop is probably a waste of time. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 20:00, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
3. I repeat my previous comment. This is stupid. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:15, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
4. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 20:22, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, since I received a greenlight to block her, I am satisfied. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:23, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

By one person. Also, have you been reading the block log? Or crow refuting your charges of edit warring?-Flandres (talk) 20:24, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

• By a mod. Now I have my answer. Whenever she is toxic, I will slap a block on her. Feels pretty good. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Mods can't overrule the authority of the mob, whoever gave you permission to do that should be demodded immediately. That is not a good sign. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:27, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘I did not give permission to anyone to do anything. See above. Bongolian (talk) 20:41, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Because we can totally trust you to only block when she deserves it, not when she says something you don't like.-Flandres (talk) 20:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Flandres Yeah? I haven't blocked her a single time, if you look up the block log. But it can be undone whenever you feel it's unfair. She was toxic and now she will get a 9h block. I am satisfied. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

But you have blocked her twice just now! Is everything okay, GR? Furthermore, you are violating community consensus.-Flandres (talk) 20:32, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Then don't unblock her? Let her sit out the 9h. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

What about the whole "community consensus" thing? GR, can you just step back from the wiki for a few days? Also as gc said could does not mean should.-Flandres (talk) 20:34, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

So the will of the mob doesn't matter? Brilliant. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Raven seriously just blocked me

Here Okay, I was fine with letting this be archived before. But I seriously am considering recommended Raven be promoted and possibly even banned now. Ultimately it's up to the mob, but at the very least Raven shouldn't have sysop. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:26, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Calm down. Besides, it was only nine hours. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:28, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I would say demoding is too far, but he should re-read to see how many people were against blocking oxy.-Flandres (talk) 20:30, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Now he did it twice. Jesus Christ, Raven, you're too petty for your own good. Take a break from the wiki or something. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:31, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@GR Raven, unless you can give me a reason to not recommend a moderator to place you into sysoprevoke right now and do a vote afterwards for gross abuse of power, stop fucking blocking Oxy. This is borderline harassment. Just because Bongolian told you that there was a valid reason to block her during that dispute doesn't mean you have free range to block her. This is petty childish shit. Cut it out or face the consequences. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 20:36, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Seconded. Crow, have you considered running for mod?-Flandres (talk) 20:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, Crow, I appreciate it. This has been.... an experience for sure. I didn't think Raven would go this low. Guess I thought wrong. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:37, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Can I have an answer to this, @Bongolian? — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:38, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Raven, you're seriously making me nauseous, for everyone's sake, please cut it out. I did nothing wrong here, why can't you accept that fact? — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:40, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@Bongolian Please hold off on commenting. I'd like @GR to get off his lazy ass and actually explain himself. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:41, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

“”grow a motherfucking pair you spineless shithead.

—@The Crow

— Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:42, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

This is not about crow, it's about you. Why diverting the attention? Are you afraid of what we will find?-Flandres (talk) 20:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

So Raven, you don't actually have a case to defend yourself? I see... ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

A comment made at 20:39 UTC on discord (for reference, my original comment in the coop was at 20:36 UTC) in an attempt to get you to fucking quit being a disingenuous shit. But if we're citing...

“”don't care unless i'm in sysoprevoke i will block her. and if I am in sysoprevoke i'll leave

—@GR

Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 20:45, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Well, if there is NO other way to change his conduct...-Flandres (talk) 20:47, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

To be fair, you did something to piss Crow off, because normally he doesn't get that mad. Knowing you, I'd wager you deliberately set him off, and are quote mining him because you know you don't have a case to defend your conduct with. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

TL;DR - I told Raven to piss off with the blocks, pointed out that it was borderline harassment and that he lost the right to block you when it got to ATIM (because then it became the task of the mob to deem a punishment and since this is a contested block). He then called me a "partisan hack" and implied I was okay with you "harassing him" and he said to not talk to him. I lost my temper and told him to grow a pair. Deem for yourself if that was an adequate response. I will in retrospect admit that losing my temper was not a smart move. Techpriest ^{(I am Alpharius! / / / )} 20:51, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

It was an appropriate response, he should be permanently exiled from the community for what he's done. This is unforgivable by far. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Given what he is doing I think you can be forgiven, albeit you should be more cautious in the future. Besides, GR only brought this up because he knows his own conduct has gotten him in hot water. He wants a distraction.-Flandres (talk) 20:54, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I want a final answer

So the community consensus is to not punish Oxyaena for the toxic stuff she has said and done to me? I just want a clear answer. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:44, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I think you should answer Crow's question first. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 20:47, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

So do I, I recommend sysoprevoking Raven immediately for what he's done. Stop playing the victim, Raven. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:48, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I want final answers from the mods. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:50, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

And, pardon my French, but I want you to stop fucking harassing me for once and grow up. I've been nothing but civil to you this whole time, and yet I get blocked thrice, cooped for no reason, had my character assassinated etc etc etc. Pardon me if I`m more than a little frustrated. Stop playing the victim, Raven. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

My answer would be, that's quite a loaded question you have here. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:53, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

You boasted about having me put in sysoprevoke, you boasted about me losing my tech status. You get your sysop back, and I`m stuck in sysoprevoke. You said it's your goal to have me exiled from this community. Raven, what is wrong with you? — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:55, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario I don't think it's contentious that she is toxic and has done toxic things. I beg you to reason with me. — Godless Raven ^talk_stalk^walk_balk 🌹 20:56, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

You compared me to a fucking murderous dictator, and you didn't even apologize. I have done nothing of the sort to you, calling you an "asshole" does not equate to equivocating me to a mass-murdering tyrant. You're the toxic one, Raven. You're categorically incapable of admitting fault. I may be "toxic," but that doesn't excuse what you have done. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:58, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Oxy, I will caution you to cool off and see what the mods say whilst fully agreeing with you. He is looking for distractions from his own conduct, and he will try and make this about you if he thinks he can.-Flandres (talk) 21:01, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Fair point, he's trying to get us to lose our cool. I`m dangerously near that point, so I'll take a break for the time being. Thanks for the reminder, Flan. — Oxyaena ^Harass 21:04, 20 August 2020 (UTC)