RationalWiki:Chicken coop/Archive94

Ace McWicked 1

Ace has continued to ignore the will of the mob in unbanning repeat trolls and continuing to shit stir and engage with trolls the mob has officially declared to be persona non grata. Mike, Smith, and Morris are persona non grata, and LGM has expressed with me annoyance over Ace's stubborn refusal to move with the times. — Oxyaena ^Harass 01:29, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

do u have specific examples or no EK (talk) 12:26, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

cough morris cough. — Oxyaena ^Harass 12:31, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

no I mean show diffs/logs of the specific actions EK (talk) 12:44, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

He unbanned the user User:FanOfFlan even after it was pointed out that this user was a sock of Morris, he refuses to acknowledge the problem Morris represents and continues to ignore all criticism directed towards him, such as when @LeftyGreenMario said he relies on the past too much to make present decisions and that shitheads like Morris are easily detectable by their editing patterns, specifically a flood of socks and bons designed solely to harass and taunt me for losing the mod elections. — Oxyaena ^Harass 13:10, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't think this is worth a coop case ngl EK (talk) 16:25, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@EK Agreed. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 16:26, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

There is certainly not much specific evidence being presented. In any event, as for actions "against the will of the mob" is concerned: firstly, I don't think that's necessary the same as "against the community standards" and secondly I don't actually see any mob here waving pitchforks in support of the complaint.Bob^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 16:36, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

There is a legitimate problem with Ace's blocking policy, and I am goddamn sick of it. He refuses to even consider the possibility that ignoring trolls doesn't always work. — Oxyaena ^Harass 16:51, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I don’t think any action is appropriate for this. I also generally tend to lean towards Ace’s philosophy of taking a light-handed approach towards trolls. Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 19:19, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

@DuceMoosolini Not when it comes to people who troll specifically to harass me and others and be general pieces of shit. — Oxyaena ^Harass 19:41, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Oxy, Ace hasn't hurt anyone. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 19:27, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

So, do I have to do anything here or can I carry on with my morning? Ace^Moderator 19:34, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Eat a burrito for starters or else I'm afraid I'll have to ban you. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:41, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

And you should try to ignore Ace and ignore trolls and just stop talking about this drama. 'd rather be talking about baby crows and ugly mermaids. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:43, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Normally I would say no to a burrito for breakfast but I’m powerfully hungover so maybe not a bad idea. Ace^Moderator 19:43, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Ayyy do it. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 19:46, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes but it requires movement which causes me to sway and feel nauseous. I need opium. Ace^Moderator 19:48, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Are we ready for the archivist?Ariel31459 (talk) 20:26, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

I don’t see anything coop worthy so yes. Ace^Moderator 20:28, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Ace McWicked 2

Ace is trying to undo everything Dysk and I have done to make RW less of a hellhole, remove him from mod now, he's a shit-stirrer and an asshole and he's utterly unqualified for the job at hand. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

While I agree with you in your criticisms of him, I do not believe exactly that removing a legitimately elected moderator is the best course of action or would set the best precedent for this wiki.Summa Atheologica (talk) 20:24, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I do grunt work daily and I barely get any recognition, he just complains and nags and somehow gets mod. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:32, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

In his absolute defense complaining and nagging is also the only thing I ever seem to see you do. This was also cited as part of the reason why many thought you were not exactly cut out to be in a moderator position. --Yay for me, RightyBlueLuigi!^{(Not a Mod)} 20:34, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I edit Wigo near daily, I do other grunt work like archiving the saloon bar, as well as my many contributions to mainspace. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:35, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Not sure why I am here. I haven't abused my mod rights or sysop rights in anyway. Ace^Moderator 20:45, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ace McWicked Ah, but I know why you're here. Eat another breakfast burrito or else I'm afraid your shiny sysoprevoke button won't be there the next time you wake up. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:49, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I need some LSD and steroids to help get on top of my day. Not this burrito malarkey. Ace^Moderator 20:50, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

You can wrap them in tortilla. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:52, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ace McWickedThe thing is, Ace, you're attempting to severely damage and/or eliminate the ancient and sacred rights of the Techs, to impose your blocking philosophy on others, and to thereby expand mod and especially your power and influence, you know this, and this coop is simple, legitimate self-defense.Summa Atheologica (talk) 20:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Oh, screw the ancient and sacred, we're RATIONAL. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 20:58, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

He needs to knock this shit off. — Oxyaena ^Harass 20:59, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@LeftyGreenMario}Any structure not based on consistent and unaliable or near-unaliable rights is doomed to succumb to tyranny, and/or anarchy.Summa Atheologica (talk) 21:04, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

But RationalWiki has elements of anarchy! I'm afraid we're too late. --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:06, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

No, I mean full anarchy, like HCM 0, not the sad excuse for anarchy we have right now.Summa Atheologica (talk) 21:09, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Are you saying our anarchy isn't anarchy enough!? Well then, let's continue screwing with the sacred and ancient! --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario! 21:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I believe that with the case of Ace, tyranny is the real threat.Summa Atheologica (talk) 21:15, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Is this tyranny?

Ariel31459 (talk) 21:33, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

"Hail, Hail, Freedonia, land of the brave and free"! Bongolian (talk) 21:46, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Oxy, I appreciate your frustration with Ace, but being an asshole is not a valid complaint. Face it, RW is after all an asshole magnet. To have a chance winning a coop case, you need to cite a rule or rules that Ace has broken and give links to instances where he has done so. Bongolian (talk) 21:46, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@Ariel31459Yes, I would consider it as such.Summa Atheologica (talk) 21:48, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

I just want some resolution that can be worked out. — Oxyaena ^Harass 21:51, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Ace specifically tries to enforce the guidelines as if they are law, when the community standards page itself states that "these are not site rules but rather a list of standards we as a community try to live up to." (emphasis mine.) — Oxyaena ^Harass 21:53, 2 December 2019 (

Ace is the next Napoleon Bonaparte. First comes the triumvirate, then the dictator for life, then Emperor of the French. On a more serious note, can we close this silly coop now?Chef Moosolini’s Ristorante Italiano^{Make a Reservation} 21:54, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

What’s the fucking point in having comm standards if we aren’t going to adhere to them. Ace^Moderator 21:56, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

@DuceMoosoliniYes, I think we can. At least I don't see how further argument can possibly lead to a productive result.Summa Atheologica (talk) 21:57, 2 December 2019 (UTC)