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Science and Math Defeated is one of the most idiotic blogs on the internet. It is run and contributed to by an individual known as "notedscholar", which is unusual as he is both hardly notable and barely scholarly.

It's safe to say that the only thing being defeated here is the pretense that notedscholar or anyone who thinks he's credible has an IQ score higher than 75 obtained a high school diploma paid any attention whatsoever to a single math or science lesson in their lives.[citation NOT needed] The blog became inactive in June 2019, with the last post being about fish breathing in water.[1] A post was made in 2023 "explainng" the absence.[2]


Among their 100% organic, chemical-free stupidity are:

and let's not forget kook ideas about:

...which make those of us trained in even basic mathematics that went to school wince.[note 2] Numerous refutations of the "proofs" and "logic" used in the blog exist around the Internet and sometimes in the blog's comments section, but the stupidity of it matches Time cube, so it is not subject to the stopped clock effect and is not even wrong.

A 2009 posting (that was locked from comments when it was written) indicates that notedscholar is almost certainly a Poe.[10]

Pigeon chess with PZ Myers[edit]

See the main article on this topic: Pigeon chess

Seemingly oblivious to the nature of mutation, notedscholar claims "PZ Myers descended into a Twitter rant/meltdown regarding NS"[11]

The gist of NS's position is that no mutant could ever attract a mate, making offspring impossible. In fact, the overwhelming majority of mutations are neutral. They do not affect an individual's fitness to occupy its niche. Furthermore, unless they are as obvious as five-eyed fish, very few "mutants" are even slightly disadvantaged in the mating game.

Real chess with NASA[edit]

See the main article on this topic: NASA

notedscholar: How many people in the @NASA community watch Gilmore Girls? Are they excited for the reboot?

NASA: Live broadcast is over. One person on the panel watches Gilmore Girls.[12]

notedscholar: You say that there is "water" on Mars, but how do you know it is not some other chemical like XYZ?

NASA: We can bounce signals off the surface of mars. And based on the lights that come back, we can tell the minerals.[13]

Taking the piss[edit]

NS took an unusual path in hating on RationalWiki, "Losers at RationalWiki want a piece of my pageviews".[14]

See also[edit]

  • Poe's Law — Particularly as Science and Math Defeated is so outlandish very few people can believe that it is anywhere near genuine. Especially when it contains carefully-polished gems like:

I have officially lost count of the nails in the seas of coffins of dark matter, like finding a needle in the sands on the seashore.[15]

External links[edit]


  1. Well, cladistically speaking they are, but so are dinosaurs, crocodiles, and humans
  2. And, most damning of all, denies the utility present in those mathematics and gives us instead the advice to follow a system that, from a mathematical standpoint, is pretty damn useless for anything that requires more complexity than a boolean.


  1. 1.0 1.1 Fake Fish: Breathing Edition by notedscholar (June 8, 2019) Science and Math Defeated
  2. Reason for my absense by notedscholar (July 20 2023)Science and Math Defeated
  3. Nazi Technocrats Harness the Power of the Sun by notedscholar (December 8, 2008) Science and Math Defeated.
  4. Where is your brain? Everywhere! by notedscholar (November 17, 2008) Science and Math Defeated.
  5. “0.9999…. = 1” by notedscholar (November 5, 2008) Science and Math Defeated.
  6. Probability (part one) by notedscholar (November 1, 2008) Science and Math Defeated.
  7. Imaginary numbers (part one) by notedscholar (October 22, 2008) Science and Math Defeated.
  8. Infinity (part one) by notedscholar (October 21, 2008) Science and Math Defeated.
  9. The Three Thousand Year Reich of Negative Numbers (part one) by notedscholar (November 11, 2008) Science and Math Defeated.
  10. Professor Kent Hovind completes doctoral thesis under PZ Myers by notedscholar (December 11, 2009) Science and Math Defeated.
  11. PZ Myers responds to my critique of evolution, ignores current research by Klingenberg by notedscholar (October 2, 2015) Science and Math Defeated.
  12. notedscholar on Twitter, 28 October 2015.
  13. notedscholar on Twitter, 28 October 2015.
  14. Losers at RationalWiki want a piece of my pageviews by notedscholar (January 19, 2009) Science and Math Defeated.
  15. Peter Woit, Matt Strassler, and Jester on dark matter by notedscholar (April 13 2013) Science and Math Defeated