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Necessary[edit]

Is this page really necessary? ATM it doesn't add anything useful or debunk anything dumb. SocialismDoneLeft (talk) 21:19, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

"Other channels and podcasts"[edit]

To the uninformed reader, this is a giant list of text with no context, no links and no context. For example, what the fuck is "Chapo Trap House" and why should I care? 99 out of 100 readers are probably not going to highlight the text and right click "search Google for..." I appreciate the input from various contributors, but this list is pretty useless in its current state. I recommend trimming it to only curated links. Otherwise it will devolve into a giant mess like the various webshite link farms we have here that don't reflect good on us. Cosmikdebris (talk) 02:07, 31 August 2019 (UTC)

I think it's always nice to try to give attention to smaller channels, but maybe we should offset this list into external links that hopefully have better lists. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 07:59, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Agreed there's scope creep here into encyclopedic list-making. I suggest that the links to the Breadtube site and subreddit are sufficient, with brief descriptions of a few of the most interesting channels if they fit the RW mandate. Otherwise this may end in YouTube Purge 2.0. CogitoNotStirred (via telepathy) (talk) 17:36, 15 September 2019 (UTC)

Oh god people are still adding to this list. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 01:13, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Uncorrupted[edit]

I couldn't help but notice that Uncorrupted (formerly, The Uncorrupted Report) is missing from the list. He was the one who help me transition away from libertarianism and the far right with his debunking videos. What are the criteria for being on this list (if anything). Would it be wrong if I added his channel here? G Man (talk) 17:54, 2 September 2019 (UTC)

BreadTube by definition is loosely defined I think. So if you think it is, then it probably is. Since you watched those videos, I'll help to summarize style and subject matter. Anyhow, congrats on the transition, it's great you steered away from that ugly path. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 18:29, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for that. There's more to the story, but I'll eventually add it to my biography, which is currently under construction.
I don't remember all of the notability guidelines of this wiki, but we may or may not be able to do an article on him (or, at least, add a section for him in this article).
I haven't been following him for a while, but I can tell you a few things about him. For starters, he's some dude from Michigan (Ypsilanti, I believe) named Marcus. He debunks a few PragerU videos, as well as some of the egregious talking points of pundits such as Candace Owens and Steven Crowder. Naturally, some of his videos (such as one that debunked Stefan Molyneux's racialist nonsense) have been flagged or censored, either because people who disagree with him made bogus reports about them (similar to potholer54), or because YouTube's algorithms mistook his debunking videos for extremist content (based on their titles, I guess).
I do disagree with him on something's, however. For instance, I think he is a borderline tankie, as evidenced in a video he made about his visit to a Soviet war memorial in Berlin in which he claimed the Soviets deserve the credit for helping the allies win the Second World War. (Although, to his credit, he did admit that he resented their treatment of the Polish in occupied territories, as he is of Polish descent. He also criticized their authoritarianism in a different video. Admittedly, I'm left of center, and occasionally I go full-blown centrist by committing the balance fallacy.) Otherwise, he's mostly a social democrat, and I agree with most of his views.
Anyway, I just thought he deserved an honorable mention. I won't do anything more than add an external link to his channel. Perhaps someone may add a section -- or even draft an entire article on him -- if they so choose. G Man (talk) 21:48, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
@G Man The minimum threshold for YouTubers is 1k subscribers, a pretty low bar, but fair. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:20, 2 September 2019 (UTC)
Oh, okay. Thanks, @GrammarCommie! He definitely meets that criterion. I may or may not create a article on him, then. I'm kinda lazy, lol. G Man (talk) 23:10, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

This page should be deleted[edit]

It's pointless, and it doesn't say anything. All it does is tell you that these people exist, and the whole bottom part is just a bulleted list with links. Is Rationalwiki advertising these people? There's nothing critical said about them, and none of their arguments are discussed. This page should be deleted. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 07:24, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

I've now created an AFD for this article. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 16:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Now let's do something about that list[edit]

So we've decided to keep this page but many of us aren't happy about that huge list of eternal links under the heading "Other channels and podcasts". I certainly don't think that just giving the names of a load of YouTubers without giving any description of what they do or why we should care is a good idea. Some descriptions are needed and so probably is some pruning. Spud (talk) 06:23, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I still think we should have some form of list, even if to support the small channels in question. Oxyaena Harass 09:10, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
I take no issue with the list or its size, as long as it is curated. By that, I mean that a short description of the linked channel, what its viewpoints are, and why it warrants inclusion on the list, is very helpful to anyone who reads that page. A list of links with no descriptions is not helpful to anyone. Cosmikdebris (talk) 14:56, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
there is nothing wrong with an index of breadtube, and promoting these people if u call it that is missional. EK (talk) 12:12, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
They're on the same team as us, so to speak, ever since we took the side of the so-called "SJWs" during the Gamergate shitshow and such, I think it's missional, as a sort of recommendation, but maybe not in mainspace. Oxyaena Harass 15:07, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Some additional thoughts[edit]

I've noticed that some have considered deleting this page or revising the "Other channels and podcasts" section. My suggestion: is it possible we can convert this into a special page, like what has been done with Webshites? This could be done by creating a separate page for the list, then adding a brief description of each channel. I feel like some of these YouTubers need a little more exposure, and that some of this site's newer readers could benefit from viewing their refutations.

Also, I would like to nominate Tim Horn to be added to this list. I'm honestly not a big fan of his, but he does provide good refutations to right-wing nonsense. The reason I haven't gone ahead and just added him is because he mostly makes gaming videos -- not to mention that this page needs to be redesigned. (If you're interested in viewing his content on politics, check out his "Debunking Stupid People" and "Liberal Asshole Show" playlists.)

Just my two cents... G Man (talk) 21:59, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Infighting[edit]

Are there infightings between major breadtube YouTubers? How detrimental are they? Dogeatsdog (talk) 10:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

None that I've heard, but I don't really pay attention to Breadtube drama. Oxyaena Harass 11:21, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
If there's no news then it's a good news. Dogeatsdog (talk) 14:34, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
Some people, some of whom post on youtube, got annoyed at contrapoints for some stuff she's done. That's about the extent of it. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:19, 25 June 2020 (UTC)


Thanks and kudos[edit]

Just wanted to say thanks for making my day to whoever described ThoughtSlime as a 'GarfieldEats aficionado'. — Unsigned, by: 2620:10D:C093:400:0:0:5:ED2F / talk