Talk:Pizzagate/Archive2

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Cover story[edit]

Yay[edit]

  1. Reason: It's fucking pizzagate. And it's a silver article, unless it doesn't deserve silver.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 03:39, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
  2. I second the motion. —вιgℓʝвιgℓ (ᴛᴀʟᴋ/sᴛᴀʟᴋ) 23:44, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
  3. Conditional yay: if the graphical section is cleaned up (each graphic should get its own section with the graphic either [1] centered above/below the debunk text or [2] side-by-side template'd). Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 01:04, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
    Like what you see so far, Mr. Cat?—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 08:55, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
  4. I agree with Fuzzy Cat Potato Vorarchivist (talk) 04:35, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
    Is it to your liking now?—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 02:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
  5. Clean up the sections and my vote will count.-D1@m0ndD15c1 (talk) 05:15, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
    Is it to your liking now?—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 02:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
  6. I will agree after clean up, as per FuzzyCatPotato. Bongolian (talk) 05:37, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
    Is it to your liking now?—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 02:53, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
    I'm satisfied. Give everyone else concerned a day or so to review. Bongolian (talk) 00:54, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
  7. It seems a bit better now. I'm with the yays. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:35, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
  8. ClickerClock (talk) 11:49, 28 November 2017 (UTC)

Nay[edit]

Goat[edit]

  1. The article feels very list-formatted right now: Single sentence, citation, newline. Repeat. Not sure that's reason enough to vote against, but... Cømяade FυzzчCαтPøтαтø (talk/stalk) 01:15, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
    What do you say, @FuzzyCatPotato, have your issues been addressed? Bongolian (talk) 21:21, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
  2. Also, we need to clean up the references so that they are clearer (no http showing). They look awful, especially for a cover story. Bongolian (talk) 04:07, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
    Just tried to quickly clean up bare refs 33 to 42 but whoever added them used an unfamiliar ref format, and it didn't take. Leuders (talk) 16:00, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
    Ah. FCP. Clean up your room. Leuders (talk) 16:07, 16 September 2017 (UTC)
    The references are now reasonably formatted enough, though could still use some work. Someone still needs to write the front-page abstract and endnotice. Bongolian (talk) 21:24, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
  3. It debunks the story, but it's messy as hell (hey, I'm not saying I'm the best formatter). I just don't know. RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:21, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
    You'll have to be more specific. What needs to be changed to sway your vote to "Yay"?—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 19:14, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
    I really don't know. I can't put my finger on it, but something just doesn't feel right. Consider mine a non-vote. I don't care enough one way or another. RoninMacbeth (talk) 21:38, 24 November 2017 (UTC)
    Maybe move the reputable sources section as a subsection under "origin and spread"? Not sure if the Fry meme is necessary for this article, I think we can do without it. At the resolution I'm using, the code words table look sloppy and overlaps on the quotebox, positioned to the left of the image and squeezing the text. I also don't think the list format under "Pizzagate: Just The Facts" does its job at organizing information well. And there is no examples provided for some, such a "though it can still be made to fit" when referring to the grammatical wrongness of the French "code" or it can also go into more explanation for its apparent ties to Satanism. Maybe the section on the infographic can be expanded for more debunking? Like, it screams of green ink, pasting an incoherent jumble or images and words that have barely any relationship with each other. The article can do its job analyzing the infographic provided and explain why it's representative of other infographics. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 22:32, 24 November 2017 (UTC)

"You'll see the Podesta's Comet Pizza is the weirdest establishment on Earth." is a bold claim not supported by examples. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 20:29, 25 November 2017 (UTC)

That was me talking out of my arse. Nevertheless, Comet Ping Pong is a weird establishment with weird art. It has a weird hipster and edgy vibe to it.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 21:48, 25 November 2017 (UTC)
Can you explain how, though? The weird art is an example, but any other specific trait can you show to support that Comet Ping Pong is weird? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 04:10, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
If you look at Comet's instagram from the infographics, the owner posted a screenshot of gay men licking a dick; with the text "I love penis", however, the image was obviously photoshopped where the dick was covered by pizza and the word "penis" was replaced with "pizza". There's also a Facebook photo of a guy jerking off and ejaculating pizza.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 05:25, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
well, doctoring of images should be discussed.
one more thing, this article should definitely take a shot a WikiLeaks, the twats who don't curate the shite they gleefully release because it makes Hillary look very bad. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 09:20, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
See this section€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 18:35, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
I believe so but it mentions only how Clinton is screwed over. WikiLeaks, on the other hand, has that nerve to want to screw over other lives of private people (such as James Alefantis) rather than rich politicians and teh elite, which is pretty ironic given the "anti-elite" tone. After all, a gunman walked into there and I'm not sure what other consequences it had on people aside from Podesta and other Clinton-related targets. The article can indeed talk more about the consequences and then use it as a case in point why WikiLeaks is so dangerous if sensitive information is allowed to reign free and let cranks interpret them. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 19:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Whoever leaked these files probably had an ax to grind for Clinton. What worries me more is that we have to trust that WikiLeaks hasn't altered the data. Electronic evidence is incredibly easy to manipulate, especially when you're only providing files.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 20:05, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Even if the information is unaltered, what business does WikiLeaks have with the business at Comet Pizza? I find the motives of why WikiLeaks would release emails concerning mundane information along with more actual damning evidence like Clinton being paid by Wall Street to talk. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 21:42, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

@FuzzyCatPotato @Vorarchivist @DiamondDisc1 @Bongolian@RoninMacbeth @Bigs @LeftyGreenMario: Before I feel comfortable having this article as a cover story, I request you all to comb over the article one last time.—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 20:11, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

I'm just thinking how we can reduce all that white space without padding the text. Any ideas? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 21:42, 26 November 2017 (UTC)
Also, it would be good for people to review the Template:Cover abstract/Pizzagate.Bongolian (talk) 00:52, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
@FuzzyCatPotato @Vorarchivist @DiamondDisc1 @Bongolian@RoninMacbeth @Bigs @LeftyGreenMario: Shall we go along with putting this as a cover article?—€h33s3βurg3rF@€3 Spinning-Burger.gif (talkstalk) 06:23, 25 December 2017 (UTC)
👍-D1@m0ndD15c1 (talk) 03:46, 29 December 2017 (UTC)