Talk:Rome Viharo

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Rome Viharo fake biography[edit]

https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/people/rome-viharo

Recently created, I found it amusing. Contains total misinformation about RationalWiki.Tobias (talk) 14:55, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Negativity[edit]

I actually met Rome (online) and he was pretty nice and civil, I really don't understand the mockery that's being directed at him. Fowler (talk) 08:24, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

He's a concern troll. Mockery is the best response to concern trolls. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 12:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Its a little hard to actually support mockery of a person when you actually meet them. Fowler (talk) 13:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Let me point out that he could have been nice to you and a dishonest concern troll. These positions are not mutually exclusive. ☭Comrade GC☭^{Ministry of Praise} 13:09, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I know, but it still feels good when someone is nice to you, troll or not. Fowler (talk) 13:11, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I remember once meeting a lovely person, nice to their dog and everything. Later turned out they were associated with the terrorist group ETA.Bob ^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 13:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Jesus Christ Fowler (talk) 13:46, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

I live in the Basque Country so it's not really that remarkable. :-) Bob ^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 14:56, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Fowler's account is only a few weeks old. I suspect his account is a sock-puppet of Rome Viharo or somebody associated with him maybe his friend Abd Lomax in an attempt to get the page deleted, check the article and talk-page history, he created hundreds of socks in the past. Viharo is an obscure figure these days, his claim to 'fame' was his troll website wikipediawehaveaproblem but it was suspended by GoDaddy for doxxing users. Somebody wouldn't just meet Rome randomly online, sign up to RW and mention this on his talk-page. So hello Rome or someone who has known him a long time. The RationalWiki is not coming down! Sorry. Johns (talk) 21:10, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

what the fuck are you talking about (rv has a YouTube account btw) Fowler (talk) 06:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Dear Fowler. If you want to understand the mockery directed at Rome Viharo and his BFFs, try checking out the archives for this talk page. The mere fact that this archive is four pages long is an indication of the problem. ScepticWombat (talk) 09:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Lmao bffs Fowler (talk) 10:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

are you not even going to attempt an apology @Johns? Fowler (talk) 12:58, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Could the article be deleted?[edit]

Viharo's website Wikipedia We have a problem was deleted years ago and he quit years back complaining about RationalWiki. It appears he learned the errors of his ways. The article is arguably off-topic and only covers Viharo's old trolling and Wikipedia drama - so should be deleted. Citizen Times (talk) 16:32, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

@Citizen Times - RW:AFD is the correct venue. --Andrew5 (talk) 17:59, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

What Citizen Times is claiming is not fully true. Rome Viharo is still trolling Wikipedia, he now claims to be an "agnostic skeptic" but he is still a believer in consciousness woo, he posts as "Pyrrho the Skeptic" on Wikipedia [1] and has supported acupuncture but now claims to be skeptical about most of alternative medicine. In this recent tweet Rome Viharo says he is relaunching his anti-Wikipedia website (his website heavily attacked RationalWiki) so I suspect he will do the same again when he relaunches it. [2]. For 3 years, Viharo has said he is launching a wiki alternative called "aiki wiki" and he is requesting for $200k to launch it [3]. Vihari claims his "aiki wiki" is being funded by the National Science Foundation, "The project will receive up to $2M from the NSF, which we project is more than enough to finalize, pilot and prove efficacy. This will be done with an academic research partner. Once Phase 1 and Phase 2 are complete, the project will be ready to launch into industry." This is all very doubtful. Jonezdoe (talk) 00:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Rome Viharo is in serious financial trouble (BANK OF AMERICA, N.A. VS ROME VIHARO. I don't see his aiki wiki fantasy being launched any time soon. Jonezdoe (talk) 00:30, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Viharo is insane, in the above link you cited he said his first customer would be the federal government of the United States. Delusions of grandeur. Nobody is interested in his stupid "aiki wiki" that he has never launched, nobody has heard of it yet he pretends millions of people need it. He uploaded a video about Aiki Wiki on Youtube [4], in 8 months the video has 2, yes 2 (!) views. One of which was me BTW. So nobody cares. His alternative Wiki (which is NOT free) he says will not have any mods or admins and everything is built by "consensus". He obviously doesn't live in the real world. Try running any wiki without admins or mods and the outcome is chaos, harassment and vandalism. The man is clueless. 109.123.74.186 (talk) 00:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Aiki Wiki will be launched in 3 or 4 months. This has always been a biased website, there is no consensus here. When Aiki Wiki is launched I will inform the government about how bad this website is. R Viharo (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Two scenarios here, both of which are vaguely amusing and likewise worth a gentle shake of the head. 1) This is said lunatic I had never heard of before, proving that he is a lunatic (and not wrong in one sense) 2) This is a troll pretending to be a troll. Man alive. Kntai (talk) 11:17, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Seriously though, no, I don't think this article needs to be deleted because by that logic we might as well delete articles on people who have taken up painting after they retired from bombing other countries. If we weren't to document/mock past woo, madness, ethical failings, crimes, harassment by prominent folks, there'd be a lot of pages we'd have to delete. Kntai (talk) 11:31, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Is there socking going on? Two redlinked talk pages from two accounts is...suspicious. --Andrew5 (talk) 15:25, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

My God, Viharo has graced us with his presence! It's been so long. Brings a tear to me eye. 主要行事月 (talk) 17:18, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Aiki Wiki came first.[5] It can sue him ;-). Bongolian (talk) 17:39, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

You can ban my account because I am blocked here and I have no interest in staying but I just want to add that Rome has invited me to be a MOD on his new Aiki Wiki website and I plan on creating a whole section exposing RationalWiki - Abd Lomax. Energy-Neutral (talk) 12:02, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Abd have you and Rome written your hit-piece on RationalWiki yet? Rome has said he is releasing Aiki Wiki for over 6 years now but nothing... every year and it is never released, so I believe you guys are full of nonsense. 194.39.126.97 (talk) 03:47, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Just happened to check, and the Rationalwiki article is no longer the #1 Google search result for Rome Viharo, as it is on Duck Duck Go and Bing. ^{— Unsigned, by: 2601:18F:802:E160:3415:C41A:BEE2:E68F / talk}

Rome Viharo promoting conspiracies of Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia[edit]

Hi, I am a Wikipedia editor. Rome Viharo emailed me and messaged me on Wikipedia (he was banned) telling me he has information about the members of Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia (GSoW). I have privately communicated with him and he just seems rather crazy. I am an opponent of GSoW so we both have that in common, in fact I joined Wikipedia so I can fix up various articles its members have put bias on but I am no fan of Viharo's irrational conspiracies. Viharo recently wrote in a blog post that Wikipedia user Manul is the famous skeptic Tim Farley that is obviously not true. I would appreciate if this website would document Viharo's obsession with trying to expose Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia. Like I said I am no fan of that group but Viharo is a real embarrassment because he is going around the web writing total nonsense about GSoW. A. C. Santacruz (talk) 05:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

If you need sources, Viharo is now blogging here [6] A. C. Santacruz (talk) 05:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Santacruz can you please email me. I believe you have been mislead by Roxy the Dog. I am not a troll, I am trying to help people by warning them about the skeptic groups on Wikipedia. WWHP 2022 (talk) 11:47, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

So what have you got against Guerrilla Skepticism on Wikipedia? They look like good guys to me.Bob ^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 13:08, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

They are not good guys, they insert bias into Wikipedia articles. When it suits them they ignore Wikipedia policies, for example to promote skeptic activists like Sharon A. Hill who has hardly any reliable sources that document her life (just POV skeptic blogs). I am currently fixing the biased Sharon Hill on Wikipedia. If we want to close down GSoW we must play it by Wikipedia policies and get admins on our side, we must play their own game. I have now started to do this. It is very likely I have succeeded in closing GSoW down because I am now in email communication with admins. I have given them the bad conflict of interest Susan Gerbic and her team have done over the years and control of many articles. An Arbitration Request has now been successfully passed [7]. It is very likely GSoW is going to be closed down. It is because of my work, nothing to do with Rome Viharo. Viharo is a conspiracy theorist writing nonsense about Gerbic on blogs, he is not doing real work like myself. A. C. Santacruz (talk) 17:23, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

As far as I can tell they work to make WP a better place. Prompting skepticism and critical thinking is something everyone should wish for, so I'm not sure what the problem is.Bob ^{"Life is short and (insert adjective)"} 20:49, 12 January 2022 (UTC)

Rome Viharo's new nonsense[edit]

Viharo's Aiki Wiki was a failure. He's now launched two new websites https://bigmotherdao.com/ and https://seasonone.bigmotherdao.com/test/ . Please update his article. Ixtal (talk) 21:24, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Possible AfD - extremely suspicious accounts and long term harassment on edit history[edit]

@Brisson has asked me to look into this article edit history (including talk page) for a possible AfD in light of the fact Laird Shaw's article was deleted by vote consensus. Shaw is a friend of Viharo's and only ended up with an article because Viharo has a page. Many suspicious and impartial accounts (people who hold a grudge against RV) have edited the page for certain while there are allegations (by RV) the article was created by someone who was involved in getting into a heated debate with Viharo on Wikipedia and created the article as a revenge piece. I could create an AfD later but problems and issues I can currently see while only looking at the accounts who have edited the page and not content:

1. Article creator engaging in sockpuppetry: There is strong evidence of sockpuppetry by the article creator: @David1234 put a retirement box on his account a few days after he created RV's article by a redirect, he then abandoned his account a few weeks later after complaining on his talk someone was trying to dox him. However, he shows up again on a sockpuppet to edit the same article within days: @Debunker (his edits overlap on the same few articles including Rome Viharo, Stephen E. Braude and Craig Weiler, with virtually identical writing style, etc)., that account was also quickly abandoned. The same person almost certainly reappears on either the article or its talk on different accounts weeks, months and later on numerous different accounts: @Philips, @Crackpot Hunter to name a couple.
2. Suspicious SPAs (single purpose accounts with no edits on different articles) solely attacking or criticising RV: Blurp (30 December 2013), @Evanand 1 January 2014, @RBryant (14 January 2014), @Ketone (19 February 2014), @Bertha Hues (8 July 2015), {{Ping|Stranger}] (21 July 2015) Template:Skeptic boy (16 July 2015), Debunkingghosts (5 October 2015), @Losts (16 November 2015), @Tenchu2 (18 November 2015). @Billy the kid (19 November 2015), @Gust (1 December 2015), @Redpenofdoom (3 December 2015), @Hettywainthrop (13 January 2016), @TenchuFatalShadows, 2 Feburary 2016 @Iantresman (February 2 2016). Note: these are 'throwaway' accounts and have only 1-5 edits. A few of them have been blocked for harassment. @Danny D (30 December 2013) is a almost an SPA with only one edit on another article, similar to @Janosz and @Abaza and @Gecko and @Torch. Note the "Tenchu" accounts are very likely the same person.
3. Confirmed account(s), sockpuppets and IPs of Rome Viharo: @RomeViharo, @104.175.42.84, @WikipediaWEhaveAproblem, @158.58.172.99
4. Suspected sockpuppets of Rome Viharo (high probability but not confirmed): @UberRationality, @Citizen Times
5. Meatpuppets of Rome Viharo: (his friends) he instigated to edit article to defend him: @Evolutionist (someone from Skeptiko forum), @Laird (Laird Shaw), @ServiceIP
6. Impersonation and spoof accounts of Rome Viharo on edit history of article: @Viharo (9 August 2014), @R Viharo (renamed account), @WWHP 2022 (11 January 2022, as recent as this year).
7. Impersonation and spoof accounts of other people on edit history of article (many of these accounts have Donnis in name and very few edits, while others appear to be impersonations of Skeptiko forum members and "Goblin Face", a Wikipedia user who debated RV): @JonDonisDUNKER, @TheJonDonnis, @Donnisator, @Jon Donnis Goblin Face, Template:Goblin Face Sciborg S Patel, @J Donnis plays guitar, @Jonezdoe, @Paul C. Anagnostopouloss (Skeptiko member) @Tyler Eveshi Snotgern, @Ben Steigmann (impersonation of someone who formerly had an article), @Waller Joel, @UltraSleuth, @OC68 Stevenson Sumo Internetperson, @Sciborg S Patel, @Kroms (impersonation of Krom), @OC68 STEVENSON MU.
8. Sockpuppets of Krom, @Krom aka @Aeschylus who edited the page as Krom in 2015, years later as Aeschylus, and is known to have been in an online feud with Viharo as documented on Viharo's former website Wikipediawehaveaproblem: (these accounts were apparently all IP checked by a mod and have been tagged as Aeschylus if you view the block log for each): @Agent 47, @Octo, @Freddo, @Tobias & @Debunking spiritualism (however, he claimed the latter account was shared and he seldom used it). I suspect this person has used a few other accounts to edit article.

I do not believe Rome Viharo is innocent - he has created sockpuppets (confirmed and suspected) and meatpuppet to edit his own article and its talk page after complaining, but those accounts are far smaller than the much larger number of suspicious SPA's and trolls attacking him as well as impersonation/spoof accounts. Problematically those latter accounts have added disparaging content on article, without moderation. RV has long complained of harassment on this wiki and it is well documented if you look at the edit histories and examine the many suspicious accounts. It also seems his article was created and primarily edited by people he got into a feud with elsewhere and people have misused this wiki to attack him. Laird Shaw raised many of these same concerns as @Laird but then ended up with an article on here. His article was deleted a few hours ago. Boar (talk) 03:15, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Impersonation accounts again[edit]

Looking on this same talk page in above sections - A. C. Santacruz and Ixtal seem to be impersonations of a Wikipedia user:

http://wikipediocracy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=12429

"The "Viharo" messages on Santacru's userpage of 8 December 2021, have since been rev'del'd." If you follow the link you see A. C. Santacruz is a Wikipedia user who changed their user name to Ixtal:

I doubt either of the A. C. Santacruz and Ixtal accounts are the same person but impersonations by the same bad actor who has probably been harassing RV and creating these impersonation accounts for years on this same article talk. Boar (talk) 03:44, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Note that @WWHP 2022 is an impersonation account of Rome Viharo, so the Sanatacruz and Ixtal accounts are almost certainly the same troll impersonator responding to himself on fake accounts. Boar (talk) 03:47, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Tagging mods to look into this harassment and to approve an AfD: @Bongolian, @CorruptUser, @Flandres @LeftyGreenMario, @Spud @Techpriest. Boar (talk) 03:51, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@Boar Anyone has the right to nominate any article for deletion. So, go ahead with that. Spud (talk) 05:34, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. I will probably create the AfD in a few days. Boar (talk) 11:31, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

@Energy-Neutral (see above) is yet another impersonation account. It claims to be Abd ul-Rahman Lomax but the real Lomax currently only uses Reddit (Abd Lomax had a stroke in April 2020 and has been offline since then with exception of his Reddit account where he has given some medical updates). Boar (talk) 11:31, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

You appear to be a drama whore just submit it to deletion if there is a problem. 82.132.235.164 (talk) 12:13, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

More proof this article talk primarily attracts bad actors and concern trolls. A search of your IP address range on search shows only one person using that range 82.132.2... by Telefonica UK on this wiki - a banned troll, sockpuppeter (who has created hundreds of accounts) and known serial impersonator, Michael Coombs (aka Mikemikev):

Talk:Michael Coombs #Michael Coombs is back "82.132.246.186 / 82.132.184.82"

Old Saloon Bar discussion (from 2019): "82.132.237.148 is Michael Coombs

If anyone is wondering what Coombs' interest in RV is, run a Google search "Mikemikev / Rome Viharo" and you get about a dozen URLs. Boar (talk) 13:28, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

----->I've locked article talk to prevent new users/suspicious IPs for a few days until I create AfD. Boar (talk) 14:14, 26 September 2022 (UTC)