RationalWiki's 2020 Fundraiser

There is no RationalWiki without you. We are a small non-profit with no staff – we are hundreds of volunteers who document pseudoscience and crankery around the world every day. We will never allow ads because we must remain independent. We cannot rely on big donors with corresponding big agendas. We are not the largest website around, but we believe we play an important role in defending truth and objectivity.

If everyone who saw this today donated $5, we would meet our goal for 2021.

Fighting pseudoscience isn't free.
We are 100% user-supported! Help and donate $5, $20 or whatever you can today with PayPal Logo.png!

Donations so far: $3500Goal: $3500

Talk:Xi Jinping

From RationalWiki
Jump to: navigation, search
Icon sociology.svg This article contains information about one or more living persons.

Articles about living people must be handled carefully, because they are more open to legal threats.
Reference any contentious allegations solidly; unreferenced allegations should be removed.
If legal threats are raised on this page, please direct the potential litigant to RationalWiki:Legal FAQ; do not interact with them.

"Power is Paramount"[edit]

I removed the section because I felt it derives from pure speculation and is poorly written, having no sources whatsoever. Furthermore, most it has to do with Xi's predecessors Jiang and Hu. For instance, the paragraph made some serious but unsubstantiated claimed that Zhou Yongkang murdered his wife and is the "godfather" of Kim Jong-un, despite the fact that Wikileaks indicated the Chinese leadership has serious problems with the Kim family, and had no problems with an unified Korea under ROK.--Alpharius (talk) 15:16, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

I removed that comment because I feel it derives from pure speculation and is poorly written, having no sources. WalkerWalkerWalker 15:18, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Should i revert the edit. Bubba41102Taste the shortness 15:48, 7 May 2015 (UTC)
Apherius if it is poorly written the perferred thing for you to do is make it better, if it is unsourced we perfer if you sourced it before reverting an entire section if a section needs to be removed talk about in the talk page (as you have done) Bubba41102Taste the shortness 15:55, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Categorical imperative?[edit]

Why is this article in the categories "Homophobia" and "Sexism"? I'm sure that Xi has endorsed or carried out polices in those categories, but they aren't mentioned in the article at all.Vivisectionist (talk) 02:34, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

Dengism[edit]

Mao was the ultimate real estate wizard.

Dengism is capitalist revisionism, I wouldn't take Wikipedia as a reliable source on this. Oxyaena Harass 02:06, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Tell me specific components why it's so then, and why it's not communism. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 02:14, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Dengism is and was a revisionist excuse to bring back capitalism to China, specifically it redefines socialism away from class struggle to "the development of productive forces," which is absurd revisionist bullshit. Oxyaena Harass 02:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Just look at how Jiang Zemin quietly added private property into the official Constitution of China, real communism precludes the existence of "private" property entirely. China has become an imperialist nightmare, far from what Mao envisioned China to be like and far closer (ironically enough) to Chiang's vision. Deng was actually sent to the camps during the Cultural Revolution for his revisionist tendencies, which should tell you something. Oxyaena Harass 02:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I've always considered China's current system to be "communism-in-name-only", so I'm not opposed to keeping Oxy's preferred revision. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:21, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
I want to hear a case from @Jaydogg1994 before I decide, so I'll wait a little. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 02:23, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Same as Duce, though I'd also like to point out that China likely wouldn't have been much better off under Maoism, all things considered. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:26, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, China would've been a different kind of dumpster fire. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:27, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Maoism is an improvement over traditional Marxism-Leninism in that it involves the masses on a large scale, and theoretically the mass line is supposed to serve as a bulwark against bureaucratic elements that have the potential of ruining the revolution as they did in the USSR and after Mao's death, hence it's more "democratic" than main line Stalinism, but we know how that works out in practice. Mao actually took a rightist trend because the Cultural Revolution nearly destroyed the social order of China, any socialist worth their salt would've allowed it to have continued. Oxyaena Harass 02:36, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Just want to say thank you for sitting down for a little for an explanation. Please try to do this more in the future when there's an edit conflict, okay? --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 02:39, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

Okay. Oxyaena Harass 02:40, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I did not expect that my use of the word 'communist' would be controversial on a page that has the communist navpage on it! That being said, I think it should be changed to 'Chinese Communist Party' (not CCP since it's the only occurrence on the page. That makes it as unambiguous as it can be made, I think. If someone wants to create a page describing what the CCP has stood for over the decades, then all the better. Mao was autocratic and not very detail oriented; the communist ideology was a convenient dressing. Bongolian (talk) 06:08, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Mao was better than Deng that's for sure, and I`m not gonna shed any tears over the mass executions of landlords. Oxyaena Harass 06:58, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@Oxyaena My best friend is a landlord, You bernouts like to see landlords killed for some reason, It's fucking disgusting and juvenile. Jaydogg1994 (talk) 07:20, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Apparently Oxyaena is not shedding any tears for the 30 million peasants starved during the Great Leap Forward either. Mao actually got hit with a wet noodle by the CCP for that fuckup.
I have had three landlords/landladies whom I considered humane: one got me a new bed for my furnished studio apartment and I never even asked for it (he was appalled by the condition of the old one when he saw it); the other two lived upstairs in split-level houses and so they were friendly neighbors. Bongolian (talk) 07:34, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I`m not gonna shed any tears over the mass executions of landlords. Wow... AceModerator 07:37, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
@Jaydogg1994 Your best friend is an exploitative piece of shit then, no one should have to pay to not be homeless. @Bongolian I've already said I`m not a Maoist. Remember next time someone gets evicted onto the streets because they missed a rent payment because they were extorted for lacking insurance that you have no problem with that. Oxyaena Harass 07:46, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I have never been a landlord, and I was not defending all landlords. I know from personal experience that some of them are shits. The "masses" serving as a bulwark against bureaucrats in China in reality meant a struggle between reds (CCP members) vs. experts (scientists and western-trained medical doctors). Red vs. expert nowadays sounds strangely some other authoritarian. Bongolian (talk) 07:58, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
I`m not condoning the Cultural Revolution at all, and in regards to landlords remember this is a systemic issue, not an individual one. I`m just adding nuance into an incredibly unnuanced discussion, just look at my rip into that newbie on the Mao Zedong talk page, Mao was a complete dipshit, he also betrayed the revolution when he let the KMT crush the Shanghai Commune. Oxyaena Harass 08:02, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Oxy, you need to calm down. Stop saying things like I`m not gonna shed any tears over the mass executions of landlords because we all know if someone said I`m not gonna shed any tears over the mass executions of the homeless you'd ban them into infinity. This isn't abuse on my part, I have no problem with you editing at RW but can you tone down the hysterics? BTW I'm a landlord and have been for years. I'm fair and my tenants like me. AceModerator 08:25, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
And that's fine, Ace. There are good landlords out there, my landlord is one of them, but the problem with landlords isn't an individual one, it's a systemic one. Oxyaena Harass 08:29, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Just to clarify I`m memeing when I say "kill all landlords," that's a hamfisted solution that doesn't really solve the issues that private property brings about. Mao's move did make him popular with the peasantry tho. Oxyaena Harass 08:30, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
The problem is your hysterical reactions. You banned someone the other day for mentioning someone was a high school drop-out because it demeaned people who dropped out of high-school but here you are wanting to kill landlords. AceModerator 08:31, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
You have to look at the power difference, someone who's dropped out of high school is a lot less powerful than a landlord is. I`m fine with punching up, punching down is what I have a problem with. Oxyaena Harass 08:32, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Mod-locking the page[edit]

You gonna remember to unlock it again after this is over? Because I had to get my ass elected to be able to link an article I created in Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:14, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Huh, I set an expiration on it, just one hour? I hope it'll unlock itself somehow. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 02:16, 5 December 2019 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't see that you set it to expire. Good-o. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 02:18, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

6 Is Not 7[edit]

Earlier in the article it mentions a leaked list of 7 dangerous Western values. But I only counted six...not sure if the entirety of mathematics has changed recently or I just caught a tiny error ;)

Also I've never edited this or any Wiki in fact before so if this is grossly informal/not how it be done, I apologize — Unsigned, by: 2601:42:c07f:f5e0:a009:ad8:d7c5:9ab / talk

Corrected it. New comments go on the bottom of talk pages, but other than that, your formatting is okay for anon editor standards. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓(T|C) 05:27, 15 April 2020 (UTC)