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Fox, I used to live in Southsea and regularly stood on the terraces at Fratton Park, so although not a supporter by birth I am always glad when they do well (though not at the expense of my own team). Also, Carl Sagan's words are humbling, to say anything else about them would only detract from their power. Jollyfish.gifGenghis Marauding 18:29, 5 April 2008 (EDT)

Heh, "I take my seat in Fratton Park, that's my buzz: the Fratton End, a feeling I would recommend". That's a fantastic cover of a great Coldplay choon, btw; don't skip following that link :) I am forever Pompey Blue :) Southsea - now there's a place. I think it has a great atmosphere, particularly off-season. There's something special about roaming Southsea on a grey blustery afternoon, the smell of the sea dust in your nose, then popping in somewhere warm for a few jars. I'm not Pompey by birth either, but I spent a lot of my childhood there, including my (Royal Marine) uncle taking me to Fratton Park, then returned when I was variously at HMS Dolphin, Haslar, and X-poled aboard HMS Richmond. When I left the forces, I settled in Wiltshire, then almost immediately moved to Hampshire. I live nearer to Winchester, but Portsmouth has a special place in my heart, it really is a very special city. It isn't unusual for me to just tip up at Fratton Park on a weekday morning, just to soak up being there lol. Although, in many ways, Portsmouth illustrates what is wrong with post-War Britain, I firmly believe it is a great example of how it is not the Briton/Portsmouth native that is truly at fault, but more the actions/lack thereof of successive weak and fuzzy-thinking British governments. Adult male relatives who visit me for more than a day are always treated to a all-day sesh on the shant in Pompey, btw, and they all go away with a new respect for what - despite the "we hate foreigners and foreign begins at Havant" act - really is a warm (metaphorically), friendly piece of an England that once was but is no more.
Pale Blue Dot... Yes, I never feel like adding much to what he says there. It fits with my belief in a non-interventionist G-d, rather than questions His existence (for me, that is) and is very good at "grounding" one's thoughts. Suffice to say, I find it a very emotional combination of words, images and music.
Mogwai are a wonderful band, woefully under-exposed and appreciated. They remind me of the sound that my own band (Iscariot) were looking for in the mid/late 80s, but never achieved due to a)no talent! and b)too much boozing/carousing :D The JAMC (and also, to be fair, Fields of the Nephilim) influence is staggering - who'd have thought Psychocandy would bring us My Father My King? I like that piece perhaps more than Stop Coming to My House and Mogwai Fear Satan (a very Catholic choon lol follow this link, turn your volume up to 11 and skip to the point at 6mins 20 secs for full effect), particularly the (obvious) Jewish influence (Avinu Malkenu). There is a great mash up of the original Nosferatu movie:

V. vulpes 09:54, 9 April 2008 (EDT)

Wow, someone mentioned pop culture and I got the ref! (JAMC). humanUser talk:Human 19:59, 10 April 2008 (EDT)
Hey Fox, I went to school with legions of Pompey boys - our dads were all in the Navy or Marines. Fair to say Portsmouth is pretty special to me too. My parents set up their first home there, where my brother was born. My sister was christened there on HMS Intrepid on which dad later sailed from Pompey to the Falklands. Very moving memories of waiting at the quayside as she sailed, battered but intact thank goodness, up the harbour. Picked my dad out amongst the crew lined to acknowledge us, and ran up the gangplank to greet him. Dad served until 1987 - any overlap? His subsequent postings were HMS Achilles (back to the Falklands!), then a stint at Northwood, and his final gig was sea trials on the newly built Ark Royal. In 2002 we scattered dad's ashes from aboard a naval launch in the Solent. I was last back there in 2006 to take the ferry to France and fittingly spotted Intrepid, alongside Fearless, rusting in the Harbour waiting to be broken up.
I'll be back in England celebrating my sister's (she of Intrepid fame) wedding on Cup Final day - but hopefully will find time to sneak a look at how your boys are doing. Play up Pompey! Matt 08:57, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Hey Matt :) Yes, some overlap, although (it doesn't say here now, but once did) I was originally Army, and only "0n loan" to the Navy and Air Force. However, after my first tour as a pongo ("when the Army goes, the pong goes") on HMS Richmond (in the South Atlantic, coincidentally) I did regretfully admit that I wished I had signed up in the Navy rather than the Army. I eventually - and mainly because I was very strongly opposed to the bombing campaign conducted by NATO against Serbian civilians because of Kosovo - resigned in 2000. I spent a long time in the Falklands, a fantastic place. The Solent - yes, I'm sure that there is no finer place for a matelot to find as his last resting place. I come from a family with a strong history of military service - my grandfather was a Royal Fusilier (City of London Regiment), my uncles Royal Marines and Royal Navy, my father Royal Air Force, my mother QARANC, my eldest brother RAF, myself Army. I think there is/was a drive for first/second generation immigrants to "stand up and be counted" for their adoptive homes, which is now sadly lacking/non-existent. A huge chunk of the original family that arrived/were born in England also left off for Australia in the 60s where they served with distinction in the Aussie forces. My eldest daughter grew up wanting to be a Royal Marine (a Commando sniper, to be exact lol), but left England and joined the IDF instead. My eldest son isn't quite of age yet, but I have a feeling he will also go IDF. My youngest are too young to even contemplate such cruel notions as war, and - like any good Jewish parent I would prefer them to have a career in medicine or law lol - but who knows?
Congratulations are in order for the wedding et al :) and I hope that when you look up the scores we have royally kicked Cardiff's waggy ass. If we don't then c'est la vie, but I think it is time that the City of Portsmouth had something - other than their wartime stoicism under intense bombing (until recently, the bomb sites were still there, ignored by government spending and grants! :( ) and devotion to national duty - to smile about :D Fox 16:58, 11 April 2008 (EDT)


I missed out on most of what happened at conservapedia. Are you not coming back? You were such a valuable content editor :( SHahB 15:49, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm not really following who is who, but I'm hazarding a guess that you are Bohdan? Sorry if I'm confused about all that. Anyway. CP. I haven't retired from there, but it has been made very clear to me that I am not welcome, and will be blocked whenever possible, and may as well not waste my time there. IF that situation was to change, then I wouuld go back to finishing my series of biblical articles, for example (see my CP articles on Jude/Hebrews/Philemon; I have a huge chunk of hard drive still devoted to works in progress, and my Revelations article would havce been a show-stopper). As I said, they've made it clear that WeirdEdMoon and TK are their rising stars and my edits are unwelcome. Fox 15:57, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Don't forget Karajou, and his miraculous ability to be personally offended by different things.-αmεσ (decider) 16:02, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Come back. I will do my best to ensure that you are not blocked unfairly. Without content editors, cp is drifting away from it encyclopedia goal. SHahB 16:10, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
ShabbyBohdan, you know they've got bigger problems than a lack of content. The content they have sucks, too, and is mostly geared to offending people they don't like. Not to mention to the schoolyard bullies.-αmεσ (decider) 16:11, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Amos, I am not thrilled with the "Liberal ____" articles either. True or not, you won't find any of that in a real encyclopedia. However, if you and your buddies weren't so passive-aggressive, you could look beyond that and add actual content to the encyclopedia. If only you didn't keep getting yourself blocked, you could write about non-controversial topics. Like write articles that don't have anything to do with politics and abortion or evolution. But sadly none of you could do that. SHahB 16:42, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Bohdan, If you check my contribs, I spent most of my time there puttering around on non-controversial topics like the building trades and some music articles. However, I was not just blocked, but banned for amusing myself with other people who thought CP was a bit "off" at another website. (My bannination was undone by some sockop gone postal, and reinstated as five years, so now I am just "blocked"). humanUser talk:Human 22:13, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Come off it Bohdan - why should people from here help Andy by writing "non-controversial" articles for Andy's benefit? CP is a blatantly ideological project with a very thin educational veneer. Andy tolerates benign articles like Bethany's parade of second-rate fantasy literature only because it's the only way he can claim that CP is not what it is - a narrowminded, ideological, hateful blog. Thise "Liberal-----" articles are not the exception, they're the freakin' rule. PFoster 16:48, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
PS - We help Andy out enough here with our crack team of proofreaders pointing out all of his editorz tyops, spellig misteaks, factuooal errorz, vandalllissmms and unintended racism and sxism. You're welcome. PFoster 16:57, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Full agreement there. The "noncontroversial topics" are nothing more than a transparent figleaf, when the front page is nothing more than an anti-liberal blog aggregator, and encyclopedic articles are considered punishment for people who disagree with the sysops. CP isn't "drifting away" from the encyclopedia goal, Andy has deliberately set sail in the opposite direction at full speed. --Kels 16:51, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Conservapedia has thousands of articles on topics that don't mention politics, ID, abortion, or the word "Liberal". Many are stubs, but all of you cp bashers seem to forget about those pages. SHahB 16:57, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Wait, I'm confused. Are you talking about the hundreds/thousands of copy-pasted public domain glossary stubs, the dozens of copy-pasted public domain 20k+ articles, or the dozens of copy-pasted articles that should be deleted for being copyright violations but still exist because they were created by sysops or their best friends? Or did you mean empty articles like cp:Umbriel, cp:Nereid or cp:S-type asteroids?
And like others said, nobody really cares about those articles. Nobody ever goes there. Otherwise, we wouldn't have things like cp:Miles per gallon (Explain the parts about table cells and subgroups!), cp:Toluene ("Toluene is a colorless liquid of the aromatic group of petroleum hydrocarbons, made by the catalytic reforming of petroleum naphthas containing methyl cyclohexane." - It's all so clear now!) or cp:Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry ("ATSDR serves the public by using the best science, taking responsive public health actions, and providing trusted health information to prevent harmful exposures and diseases related to toxic substances." - Guess why this sounds like an ad!) - all of which were created by sysops. --Sid 17:33, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Ha! I tell you what, the day Andrew restores my sysops and blocking privileges, I'll return. Can't say fairer than that :D 16:18, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Replying to the "Without content editors, cp is drifting away from it encyclopedia goal." bit: Sorry, you're far too late. It's not even the "Liberal [noun]" articles themselves. Those are just symptoms of the much bigger problem CP has. For almost one year now, CP has run as a Top-down, two-class society where the Ruling Class edits by a completely different standard than the Lower Class. Decisions are not made by the community, but by single sysops or a small group of sysops at best. Non-sysops are simply regarded as cheap labor, not as editors. Sysops on the other hand are free to break ALL Commandments and Guidelines. And even when they're caught and cornered, nothing bad ever happens to them. Not even a slap on the wrist. And you're wondering why you don't have content editors anymore? It's like asking yourself why nobody is joining some sorta Forced Labor Camp even though you switched the sign at the entrance to "Happy Fun Editing Hangout". --Sid 17:49, 11 April 2008 (EDT)
Its even less 'funny' now when Ed randomly assigns cp:writing assignments to people and people point out that editing is a volunteer thing and so no one can really say "do this." --Shagie 18:06, 11 April 2008 (EDT)

(undent) Bohdan, it becomes difficult to write "non-controversial" topics when even physics (Dicke, GPS) and math become controversial topics. This is to say nothing about astronomy, geology, meteorology, or biology. It seems that anything that can be written on becomes controversial. The only way to write something that isn't controversial appears to be "plagiarize a .gov site" or "write something that fits Andy's definition of reality." --Shagie 17:24, 11 April 2008 (EDT)


I'm a bit of a 'yes' fan the logos & covers are excellent too! SusanG 13:24, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

(sadly they're heavily copyright, but I've got 'em on my machine - bootiful! SusanG 13:28, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Awesome good band! I still listen to at least one of their albums each day. Particular favourites include Close To The Edge, Yours Is No Disgrace, Awaken, The Gates of Delirium, The Revealing Science Of God - Dance of the Dawn and Ritual - Nous Sommes Du Soleil. It was when I was spotty adoloscent that I first got into them, way back in the 70s, and I can't recall whether I actually listened to them first or just bought an album on impulse because of the Roger Dean artwork :D Fox 13:53, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Yours Is No Disgrace!! SusanG 13:59, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Heh :) Ah, the good ole days... Fox 14:03, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
Only saw 'em once 'twas phenomenal! SusanG 14:06, 12 April 2008 (EDT)
On a massive Gabriel-era Genesis kick at the moment. The Fountain of Salmacis still blows me away after - what? 37 years? Awesomeness. Fox 06:18, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

A Jews for Jesus Passover[edit]

My qat. She's waving to you!
Hey Fox,

I had to share a story with you that I think you'd appreciate. So, my girlfriend is Jewish, but she's an atheist. Her family's traditionally Reform. But, anyways, she very much identifies with Jewish culture, and Israel, so we put together a short-form Passover Seder for us and our friends on Saturday night. We got a little bit into the Haggadah (which we'd downloaded off the webs), and one of my friends points out, "hey, the Haggadah says something about Matthew & Luke. And somebody called Yeshua." Me - "Oh no." Oh yes. While trying to do our best to put on a Reform/atheist Seder, we had inadvertently used a Messianic Haggadah.

I thought you might appreciate our brief and accidental foray into Messianic Judaism :-). And a belated happy Passover to you (I don't know the Hebrew greeting that's proper...) and your family!-caius (orator) 20:28, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Hehe that's a class faux pas :D And just goes to show that even the atheists and the Reform can't escape Moshiach forever /wink Fox 20:41, 21 April 2008 (EDT)
An interesting interpretation! *singing Enrique Iglesias* You can run, you can hide, but you can't escape the Messiah! Hmm. We'll see. Anyways, we also made a discovery. If you're making macaroons, but don't freeze the "dough" overnight like you're supposed to, perhaps because you forgot to :-), they turn out flat instead of round. And they're delicious and easier to eat!-caius (orator) 20:56, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Also, my cat is antisemitic! Girlfriend and I made a clay dreidel, and the cat hunts it down and knocks it off tables, beds, shelves - wherever I put it!-caius (orator) 22:46, 21 April 2008 (EDT)

Is it a Persian cat? :D j/k Fox 06:20, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
I attached a picture of kitty to the page. She's not Persian, but she is ADORABLE-caius (orator) 18:19, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Haha antisemitic indeed - I strongly suspect she is not waving but is instead presenting me with her "third eye" as a gesture of contempt :D Fox 05:10, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Oh, incorrect! This gesture came right off of her itching her ear. I can only imagine she was saying hi. Either that or she hates me more than she hates you....-caius (orator) 16:39, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Speaking of Passover, our article is a shameful stub and could use some 10,000 point improvements by someone more familiar with the tradition... humanUser talk:Human 20:28, 27 April 2008 (EDT)

Oh noes![edit]

I am officially middle-aged :( I have a burning urge to grow my hair very long (before it starts to disappear), and while the children are at their maths tutor this morning I plugged in my bass and actually played along to "The Fountain of Salmacis"! For shame. I shall warn my wife to keep me away from motorcycle showrooms. Fox 06:38, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

You're screwed, man. Might as well buy a lifetime's supply of Werthers, book a Saga holiday, and check out the stairlifts and walk in baths in the back of the Saturday Telegraph magazine. Oh, and visiting motorcycle showrooms is compulsory.
Happy birthday! Ajkgordon 06:44, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Congrats, Old Man! And Happy St. George's Day.  Lily Ta, wack! 08:04, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Happy birthday, youngster! SusanG  ContribsTalk 09:56, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
Aw shucks; thanks all. By the way, I stole my wife's credit card recently and bought CS3 Extended - I shall now attempt to shop a piccie to see how long hair would suit me now I am wrinkled and greying. I'm actually quite serious about the hair lol - I began to grow it as a teenager, then joined the Army, and have for a zillion years had a hair cut every Friday ever since. But I really want those flowing locks :D See the first few seconds of this viddy to see my (current) beard, as worn by Phil Colins, and I'm wondering if I should go with the hair length of Colins or Gabriel... My wife says she will not go out in public with me if I have long hair. I'm wondering whether that's a good thing or a bad thing :P Fox 16:19, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Did Andy teach you nothing? A woman shouldn't be out in the first place ;p! Anyway, your appreciation of prog rock fills me with a strange combination of fear and awe. You are hereby some form of being simultaneously shunned and exalted by the musical world. I think that's a good thing. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

Heh Prog is the Messianic Judaism of the rock music world, combining simultaneously true faith with apostacy and heresy :D Fox 16:38, 23 April 2008 (EDT)
I only managed 'I've Seen All Good People' before my ears began to bleed. --
Heathen :P Fox 17:49, 23 April 2008 (EDT)

Don't grow the hair: Rick Wakeman; Peter Stringfellow; Nuff said! SusanG  ContribsTalk 10:38, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Hm, point taken. Stringfellow... *shudders* But can I counter with Sam Elliot or Viggo Mortensen? Fox 14:00, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
have you the Charisma to carry it off though? SusanG  ContribsTalk 16:32, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
Ha! You know what? My rogueish charm may just allow me to carry that off :D Fox 17:32, 24 April 2008 (EDT)
BTW I knew (slightly (NOT in the biblical sense!)) Peter S back in the 60's - he & his brother ran their 1st club (the Mojo) in Sheffield - He was a wazzock even back then. SusanG  ContribsTalk
And ... if I could keyboard like Wakeman, I wouldn't care what I looked like. SusanG  ContribsTalk
Indubitably. Awaken in particular showcases his genius. Fox 17:32, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Mr Poor[edit]

Just Googled: unification church "ed Poor" - try it! 332 finds. SusanG  ContribsTalk 07:14, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

I'm only a few entries into the results and already, my reaction is "Wow, that's fucking scary." WeirdEdMoon has his nasty little tentacles into a lot of "educational" sites... Fox 07:23, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Something that I thought of yesterday: the long-term moonie members, the devoted disciples, all work for the UC (and often live in its accomodation.) WeirdEdMoon has always been less than forthcoming about where he works etc - I feel more convinced today that he is in fact a full time "employee" of the UC. Fox 07:28, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Similarly - it seeems that he's anywhere that will allow him room. He almost MUST be a full time apologist for them - hours in the day etc. - Wonder if Andy S. is aware of his spread/reach? SusanG  ContribsTalk 07:31, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
(RatWiki comes in @ number 10 on my google!) SusanG  ContribsTalk 07:32, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
I got it at #8 :) Some of the comments at "Welshman's" blog are enlightening, too. I shall continue to dig at this, even though I may just be polishing a turd. The whole thing is starting to stink of UC. Fox 07:47, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Daily Kos:
The Moon organization wrote the book on spin. Poor doesn't appear to be working that discussion page now. However, he is listed on the staff list for Moon's own Wiki, the "Encyclopedia Project" which is part of Moon's Universal Peace Federation. from IT Consultant and Wikipedia liaison: Ed Poor"
SusanG  ContribsTalk 08:12, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
That moon-wiki is locked down tight with lots of unviewable pages :( Going back to the dailykos thing, it looks as though WeirdEd shows up there, as he may be the poster "Ibyron"; the implication is that they were expecting him to turn up and spin the moon gospel, and Ibyron also uses some of the same points that Ed uses in his "True Parent" articles... Fox 08:35, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
There's nothing to see anyway… some event planning. --Linus(plot evil tech) 11:21, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

(undent)Thanks for the google suggestion, Susan - this has been eye-opening. I've long had suspicions about Poor and once I actually started looking for info on the UC and how it operates, my tin-foil hat conspiracy theory began to develop. I talked about it with a few trusted associates, and the last 24 hrs have really blown this thing wide open. I'm still trying to take it all in, figure out who knows what. Its fair to say that none of the other sysops realize what's going on under their noses, although at least 3 of them have now emailed me expressing concerns about the possible Moonie agenda. Fox 10:03, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Also try: Moonie "Ed Poor" brings up some anti-Ed ones - but not many. It's hard work reading all the rubbish (Encyc Dram says he works for ABC (tv) - Shome Mishtake Shurely) SusanG  ContribsTalk 10:09, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
There's The Encyclopedia. It's a wiki - no way of contributing & the talk pages don't appear to be accessible (but they're asking for donations!) you can however search them & Uncle Ed's quite prolific on them Needs A RatWiki Article! SusanG  ContribsTalk 10:20, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
Try this page (yes, it's raw) to find out that the only thing one needs not provide (at this time) is the name of one's first born, (or the sooper seekirit location of one's Holy Hanky). CЯacke® 12:53, 3 May 2008 (EDT)


Your front page mention reminds me of a WW1 poem I once read on the subject:

Tidworth's all right in its way

With its woods and dells

But I would rather be in France

Or else the Dardanelles

I gather you felt similarly! Fretfulporpentine 11:49, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

Hehe - definitely! An absolute hole of a place. Fox 12:11, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

was that you?[edit]

on conservative's talk page? Rubico 20:23, 1 May 2008 (EDT)

It were me.-caius (orator) 20:24, 1 May 2008 (EDT)
It was him ^ I'm not sure what he did though, still catching up on what happened while I was in the nest. And I only have one account on CP, no sox, and never wandalize - its hard enough just trying to get the truth on there as it is :/ If I ever went over to the dark side and did any of that stuff, I would only wandalize WeirdEdMoon anyway - I have no beef with any of the others: it isn't completely their fault that they have been hoodwinked into being a moonie front, and are part of the brainwashing of the young. Plenty of better minds (I'm thinking journalists in Washington...) than theirs could have avoided the same fate but didn't. Fox 04:55, 2 May 2008 (EDT)
Uh...I'm not sure it's fair to say they were hoodwinked into brainwashing the young, considering that was part of the plan from the outset. The Moonie part is the only new element. --Kels 22:54, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Oo ooh![edit]

My missus bought me a new PC, a slightly smaller but infinitely more powerful version of BlueGene/L :) City Link have just delivered it, so I will be going offline for a short time while I rewire my house :D Fox 06:24, 2 May 2008 (EDT)

Congrats on the pretty new box'o'wires'n'stuff? Best of luck... humanUser talk:Human 01:15, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
Meh, it's been a nightmare, "carefully" moving everything over that I want to keep. I use bittorrent a fair bit, if you see what I mean. Plus, DX10 seems to have broken some of the hacks I previously had made for various games using DX9c. I haven't yet figured out why. Fox 07:33, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

O hai…[edit]

…Erm… Concerning the word "kike"… --Linus(plot evil tech) 22:48, 2 May 2008 (EDT)


How I doth love smiting fascists ... --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

Hehe, did he go away in the end? I went off to play Guild Wars :) Fox 12:26, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
A sensible decision. I pottered around for a bit, added the words 'white supremacist' here and there, and then decided that my time could be better spent throwing explosive barrels at headcrabs. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
You know, I still haven't gotten around to finishing the battle against the striders. On the other hand, I've lost count of the number of times I've kicked GLaDOS' non-existant butt. --Kels 15:08, 3 May 2008 (EDT)
 :( Running it in boot camp off my Macbook, I haven't partitioned enough space on the whole thing to install Episode 2. Agree with you on GLaDOS, though - I've spent several spans of time just running and jumping to avoid rockets and listening to the entire speech. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום


12:11, 6 May 2008 Aschlafly (Talk | contribs) changed group membership for User:Fox from (none) to Block, edit, Upload SusanG  ContribsTalk 12:17, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Well, I'm as surprised as everyone else. Fox 12:28, 6 May 2008 (EDT)
With great power comes great responsibility.
Block Ed then vandalize his userpage with anti-UC pictures at night. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:59, 6 May 2008 (EDT)


Well as much as I like you Fox, I don't think I'll be taking up the offer to "Learn Biblical Hebrew On Line", even if it is with 'Israel's best teachers'. Maybe we should have a page dedicated to listing what each editor gets linked with. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 14:08, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Hehe - they're quite lulzy aren't they? Fox 14:21, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

You're famous, my friend[edit]

Did you know that Metapedia describes you as a "Zionist Sysop" on their page about CP? I think I might have cracked their code... 14:10, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Awesome! I gotta go look :D Fox 14:18, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Actually, it's more "sickeningly evil" than "humourous" unless it's presented in bitesize anecdotal form. And they have an inexplicable liking for red links. 14:21, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Ha! I know who that piece of shit Liteditor is. He's some guy I called out on WP for using sox to write his own biog in order to increase sales of his shitty poems. He was using his WP page to give credibility to his status as awesome pen-smith, and writing his own reviews, sotospeak. LOL what an arse. Fox 14:23, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
I would laugh with you, but now I'm worrying about your zionist agenda. Incidentally, it looks like he wrote those bits on the second day he was a Metaprick. Priorities! 14:27, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Holy shit. Ajkgordon 15:05, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Attacking CP when sites like Metapedia exist is illustrative of the RW user-base's intellectual laziness or moral cowardice :/ Fox 15:09, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
I had no idea it existed. I am, for once, genuinely shocked. Ajkgordon 15:12, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
(Damn you and damn your edit conflicts) Not really. Metapedia love feeling like they're being oppressed. If we attacked them it would only make the situation worse. Just like with red ants. 15:14, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Which - of course - never happens with CP... ;-) Fox 15:16, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Metapedia is repulsive, even enough to understandably drive away someone attempting to bring it down (though I personally don't mind, and am glad to see some of my unoriginal spoofs have survived). NightFlareSpeak, mortal 15:21, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Heh, is that rof edoc "it's easier to keep throwing brick-bats at the homskollars" eh? I just think that with the skills, experience, organization, "tightnittedness" (I know, I made up that word :P), intellects and strong sense of right/wrong that RW displays (not necessarily in the right places) that Metapedia would be high on the agenda for wandalism. Fox 15:26, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Ahem. Ajkgordon 16:21, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Metapedia aren't actually that active. They'll probably fizzle in a couple of years without any intervention from humans. Bravo to anyone who manages to sneak pseudo-information into that place though, NightFlare! I'm currently wondering what "Nigger also refers to the fully grown niglet" means. 15:47, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
That's probably true but... I've always wondered how fun it would be if we extended our reports to the likes of Metapedia, CreationWiki etc. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 16:04, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
MP was given a thorough going-over in its early days. I had a dream... ;) It's just too obscure to worry about now, though, and its luserbase is tiny. --Helena Bonham Carter 16:08, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Compared to CPs massive userbase, right? I'm with NightFlare on this. The pooled skillz and knowledge that users here have, well, fuck me sideways, you could run rings around Metapedia and a lot of other equally deserving sites. Fox 16:10, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
(Damn edit damn conflict) Urgh. Just our luck that we've unearthed this conundrum on the same day that we're also foxed by the problem of expanding WIGO. Cannot the cruel gods of fate just leave us be for a little while??? — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs And I'd like to add that I wrote this before the two comments above, and I will not be robbed of my right to preen! 16:09, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Fox, you wiley old beast, are you trying to distract us from CP with all this sly praise and midirection? Rational Edperception 16:25, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Darn! You discovered Ken's "Operation Smoke & Mirrors Redux" !!! If it wasn't for you pesky kids... etc. LOL no, I just think that arseholes like Metapedia are more deserving of efforts than CP. Fox 16:32, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

(undent) Yes and no. Yes, they are more obviously disgusting. But, no, since they wield virtually political influence at all. CP represents a major subcurrent in American politics, and showing how similar they often are to people like MP is more important. IMNSHO, anyway. And anyway, I prefer our articles de la debounk more than our CP stuff. humanUser talk:Human 16:37, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

The resurgent power of the neo-nazis - both home and abroad (for me) - is the be-all and end-all. If you see right-wing philosophies expounded at CP that you find as vile and loathesome as I do, then you should be asking where these ideas are coming from? Treat the cause, not the symptom, I say. Fox 16:42, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Stop bitching at us then, and get your arse over there, Foxy. They require email verification before you can edit, so you'll need a dummy account and a fast proxy. --Helena Bonham Carter 16:53, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Me can do. I good at being red neck. Fox 17:19, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Fox, fascists might actually have more success in the long run with a CP approach than a MP approach. Successful fascism is very seductive and sly. Rational Edperception 17:24, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
I'm hearing alot of excuses about why the mental midgets at CP are easier targets than anybody else. While they may reassure you that everything is A-OK in RW, it just makes me wonder. I've always respected RW as the counterpoint, but now it seems that really its just a schoolyard bully, who is actually afraid of the older guys. Fox 17:34, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Oh, all right. Your unbelievably cliched accusations of cowardice have worked. I could throw together a version of WIGO running for Meta if you like, but will you lend me a hand setting it up maybe? I'm thinking of doing one big one for MP and SF together called RationalWiki:What's going on in the Fourth Reich? — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 17:54, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Of course I will. I live for that shit :) For the other courage-challenged users here, I should maybe qualify all this before you get the wrong idea. I still think CP is on the wrong track. I still think Ed Poor is a fucking evil, anti-semitic, head-fucked, brainwashed tosser. I still think TK is to the internet what tubercolosis is to Man. But you all seem to underestimate me somewhat in your desire to pigeon hole me with the people you detest at CP. I'm a Jew hated by Jews, never mind the rest of the world. Most of my family don't talk to me because of my religious beliefs. I grew up in a hard, violent working class environment, a "pit" village in an otherwise rural area. I've spent most of my life fighting people. I joined the Army and got paid for fighting people. I raised my two eldest in the ultra-racist environment of an Army married quarters estate - my eldest daughter grew up having to beat up the older boys who taunted her "baby brother" for being a "Yid". (And she got good at it.) I once shaved off all my hair (its an intimidating look) and walked into a nazi-filled pub and offered them all out rather than let them carry on slagging off my wife (who worked there part-time in those days) with their Auschwitz gags. They bottled it. Even now, we face hostility at a level you intellectual prima donnas could never survive. We live in a tiny village and are having to move to a tinier village to escape the hostility we engender - simply by homeschooling!! - here. I am due in Crown Court in a few weeks for ABH on a guy that slagged off Jews to my daughter recently when she came to visit after putting her life on the line for "her" people (people that don't even accept her parents). I will probably avoid a custodialn sentence, my brief reckons - no previous, good character, etc. But I'd do it all again. You see, while some people are internet-brave and like to throw their intellectual weight around, I actually stand up for what I believe in. When will you all see that its time toi "grow up" and move on from the (as I put it recently) "shooting fish in a barrel" at CP and do something worthwhile..? You're making a stand against a bunch of kids and their teacher. Wow. I tip my hat. Fox 17:59, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
I appreciate the glimpse into your life story. You are an angry man. I find it amusing that you think you know anything about me (if, indeed, you are including me in your characterization). And I still don't understand why you continue to support CP by editing there. Is that an example of courage? Perhaps an accusation of cowardice would motivate you, but I find it childish. Do you really believe anyone here hesitates to bother with MP because of fear? Try lack of interest. Rational Edperception 18:33, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Is "anger" somehow suddenly wrong? It is the main driving force behind RW, is it not?? Or is your anger "more equal" (oink) than anybody else's..? I find it amusing that you find me "amusing" - that says more about you than any other edit you have ever made here. Thank you for that insight. I "support CP by editing there" mostly because it riles Ed Poor - what is your raison d'etre for being here? "Childish"? Oh come now, that's the last refuge of the intellectual scoundrel - why not tell me to "go away and grow up"? LOL Cowardice? You in particular stink of it. Fox 18:40, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
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Convenient Edit Button[edit]

And I like Motorhead. Fox 18:19, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
No, you like Mogwai. Stick with Mogwai. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 18:20, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
I adore Mogwai :) Fox 18:21, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Just not enough to wikilink them, or drop them randomly onto the end of any comment. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 18:23, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Mog have some great links above -- watch the Nosferatu mash up I linked, really, please - it really is masterfully done. Art, on so many levels. And I didn't link last comment (although I now have) 'cos I was watching Lemmy :) Kike that he is lol Fox 18:31, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
Heh. I hadn't seen the video for Friend of the Night... It's very odd... — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 18:37, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
"And the moral of the story is... Onions." — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 18:39, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

"You're making a stand against a bunch of kids and their teacher." and Behe, and Stein and his silly movie, and anyone else we get in our sights. I think you suffer from looking at RW through CP-tinted glasses, Mr. Renard. humanUser talk:Human 18:58, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

You're making a stand against Behe and Stein at Conservapedia. What efforts are you directing at websites other than CP that are linked with Behe and Stein? Or is CP the first port of call for people seeking information on those two people? Do they have websites, blogs? What is WP saying about them? If its just for the lulziness of CP, then that's no different to sniggering and calling a disabled kid a "spakka", is it? If it isn't, explain how so. Fox 19:04, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
"You're making a stand against Behe and Stein at Conservapedia." - no we/I amaren't! We are doing it here, using their directly sourced mumbo-jumbo. If you haven't seen the ELG, sourced from the Expelled website, or the Behe "interview" thing, sourced from his author page at Amazon, you might want to check them out. We'd know about them even if CP didn't exist. And many of us are active on various blogs dealing with other cranks, and were even before they had heard of CP. Your point is rapidly getting lost in the haze, M. Renard. humanUser talk:Human 21:13, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

It takes all sorts[edit]

Fox, you seem to be riling against some people for taking on CP instead of MP and accusing them of cowardice for not attacking the latter. Surely you can agree that all of it is worthwhile? If everyone concentrated their fire-power on Nazis, would that not give the likes of CP free-rein? And, to be fair to contributors here, perhaps they attack CP because they know more about the religious right than fascism. Besides which, anti-Nazi fighting is a serious business. Mocking some of the lunacy at CP just wouldn't work against Nazis. Just because something is not as important as something else doesn't mean you should drop the former and concentrate on the latter. It takes all sorts. Ajkgordon 03:30, 8 May 2008 (EDT)

I'd love to take on the fascists, but I think it would take much more resources than we have here (and my intemperance would bring me out in a rash of four letter words, probably. CP's rather like a baby fascist site & is also bloody funny!) SusanG  ContribsTalk 05:31, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Fox, it is not an ideological choice. This place was born (100 %), lives (90 %) and will die (probably) with Conservapedia. For an all-encompassing wiki check Wikipedia. I'm sure some Metapedia users, socks and vandals would be happy to create Rationalwiki II: Metapedia. It is true that RW is not limited to CP and makes interesting efforts in other directions (as the Exiled one), but don't criticize RW for what it is not. (Editor at) CP:no intelligence allowed 06:01, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
I understand all that, really I do. :) I was just hoping to fire up some honest-to-goodness anti-nazi fervor. I appreciate that places like StoryFront and Meatpedia are hellish hard to attack - and that while Andrew might block you and call you a Liebrul, the aryans at a/m sites might come round your house, horsewhip you and shag your dog. I don't want a sympathy vote, but I do straddle the fence here. I actually do like most everybody at CP and most everybody at RW. I see all your POVs and even if I don't agree with them, for the most part I respect your right to hold them. The tiniest part of me even acknowledges that Ed Poor is entitled to believe what he believes, and he's obviously - from the UC POV - a devout man. (I just wish he was a Buddhist, or a Sikh, or anything that didn't co-opt Judaeo-Christianity :() I appreciate that - when all's said and done - your mission here is to attack the wrong-headedness you perceive at CP. Fair play to you all. If nothing else, you certainly should get CP copy editors barnstars :D I'm sorry if my anti-nazi rants took us down a path where I was actually being offensive to any of you. I just see red with nazis. And anytime I see red with nazis I am haunted by Image:Red coat.jpg. It can make me an unpredictable acquaintance :/ Fox 12:50, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Personally, I would prefer to stay away from activities that place me at risk of being horse-whipped by a bunch of angry skinheads. If that makes me a coward, then so be it. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 13:05, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Heh. Usually me too, although, as I've pointed out elsewhere, I do own a gun ;) I lied about the ammunition. Fox 13:16, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
(Edit conflict conflict edit) No fair, you used the phrase "see red" to mean two different things. Now I'm confused :). But seriously, I don't think anyone was actually offended. We probably should be widening our focus a little, if only, as Radioactive Afrikaman was saying, to give RW more longevity.
AK, I don't think horsewhipping was ever really on the cards. Not until we get to know them a little better, at least.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 13:08, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
I admit being told I stink of cowardice did offend me a bit, but I guess I deserved it after tellling you to go away and grow up. For the record, I was not criticizing you for being angry - I was acknowledging that the glimpse you gave us into your life gave you the right to be angry. But I try not to let myself be defined by my anger. If you can find a way for me to get another IP I'll start launching attacks on MP today. Rational Edperception 13:27, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
You could be a Tormouse, like me. :)— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 13:34, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Here's your equipment, soldier. Jigsaw 14:08, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
Sir, yes sir. Rational Edperception 14:13, 8 May 2008 (EDT)
If you want to attack Nazis it's better to have an untraceable user name that's nothing like your real name and a location somewhere like 4 light years away and untraceable on Earth. Proxima Centauri 04:34, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Please stop calling people Nazis...[edit]'s in poor taste. PFoster 11:40, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Go fuck yourself. A Nazi is a Nazi. Not my fault you don't like the truth. Fox 11:44, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
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Never call anybody a Nazi unless he/she really is one. And Metapedia are Nazis. Proxima Centauri 11:48, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Oh and we have to go by your definition of a Nazi, right? ie not one of you 11:50, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
I wasn't aware there was doubt about the definition? Swastikas, hate of foreigners, an unwholesome love of small Austrian corporals, etc.? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 15:14, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Not to mention monocles. PFoster 15:17, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
Fox, you devalue the evil perpetrated by genuine Nazis when you sling the term as an epithet against anyone with whom you disagree. Get a thesaurus. Rational Edperception 18:33, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Can't you just see the conversation about all this at the Fox household tonight? This won't happen. Metapedia are Nazis. Proxima Centauri 04:29, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

"Daddy, what did you do today?"
"I called someone a Nazi, honey"
"Wow! Were they a skinhead?"
"Oh. Well, were they some other sort of fascist?"
"Er...not that I know of."
"Well, were they anti-semetic? Or white supremecist? Maybe a militia member?"
"Uh...not that I could see."
"Did they at least do something violent?"
", they didn't."
"Well, what on earth did they do that made you call them a Nazi?"
" is...they said something mean on the internet about someone."
"That's it?"
"That's it."
"You suck, daddy."

Hmm. Maybe he'd better just not mention it. --Kels 18:52, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

"Daddy, what did you do today?"
"Not much, I stood around down the mall watching some guy mock and abuse some family that were passing by."
"Wow! Why didn't you step in and say something?"
"Well, I guess it was probably his right to laugh at them, they weren't like him."
"Did anybody stand up for them?"
"No, his friends stood around laughing too, and then yelled at anyone who tried to point out that they were wrong. I decided not to say anything in case I offended them."
"You're a coward, daddy."
Brilliant. Because we totally need another community flamewar. Let it go, people. --Linus(plot evil tech) 19:23, 10 May 2008 (EDT)

Can we let this die now? Jigsaw

Seconded. I thought we'd got over the whole 'swarm like vultures over someone's userpage thing. PoorEd makes a good point, but my Very Important Email to Fox should clear some things up. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום
Yeah, well, I gave Fox an eight hour or so time-out for calling another user a "Nazi". Mostly, when he is off line, and won't even notice. BUT! Hey Fox, it's not OK to call people "Nazis" unless they give evidence of being such. Your version of what constitutes a "Nazi" is lame, in this context. humanUser talk:Human 00:16, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
No, you seem to have some closeted view that a "nazi" has to be a skinhead, or wearing a swastika armband, or in the Klan, or gassing Jews, or beating up passing black people, or some other cliched caricature. When the truth is that bigotry and prejudice and hating someone because they are different to you is nazism, and trying to pretend otherwise is not simply naive, its deceitful. Dictionaries? Try this: "One who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance." Would it be considered okay to make fun of a LGBS family? Of course not. A large gypsy family? Never. Nazis aren't confined to the Third Reich, and nazis didn't just target Jews. They targeted anybody who wasn't exactly like them, even if that was simply a case of being a "liberal intellectual", or a trade unionist. Take off the blinkers, and explain why singling out a family, that you've never even met, for public mockery - just because they are white, Christian homeschoolers with a lot of kids - is any different. You can pretend that you're just being provocative intellectuals, courageously pushing the envelope in your attempts to show CP=bad. But when you turn to blind, uninformed bigotry just to get laughs, deciding that some types of people can be mocked, humiliated and slandered with impunity, then you need to stop and think about difficult truths, stop and ask why you do not hold everyone to the same standard of mutual respect. "The ignorant but rational bigot is still a bigot, just as the drunk driver is still a murderer. Threfore, choose not to spare feelings when you hear ignorant arguments that, if put into policy, would perhaps lead to genocide. A bigot is a bigot."
No, Human was right. It was lame. --Horace 07:41, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Nice speech. Could you go write something similar on Andy's talk page? --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 07:57, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

I've got a suspicion some of this boils down to semantics. How prejudiced must a person be before that person is called a Nazi. Nazis arn't all skinheads. Nazis arn't all fools in Jackboots like Oberleutnant Hakenkreuz. David Irving is also a Nazi. I'm as bit sorry for Fox. He/she is being punished for expressing a sincere opinion. I haven't had time to read all this closely. As far as I can see every case where Fox called someone a Nazi that person is a Nazi or that person is very prejudices and close to a being Nazi. Proxima Centauri 14:28, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

This thing has had me thinking for two days now. Michael Ignatieff once said that "genocide" is a word that gets used too often in cases where it should not be and not nearly enough in cases where it should, and I think that the same can be said about "Nazi." Strictly speaking, one could argue the word should be applied only to a historically specific political movement that existed in Germany from 1928 (?) until 1945. From that position one could expand one's use of the term to similar political movements that existed around the time (and then deal with the debate over the question of whether or not fascism and Nazism are equivalents or simply similar in some ways), to political movements that see/define themselves as the intellectual/political heirs of Nazism, to movements that meet some sort of objective criteria for application of the term no matter how the people involved choose to define it, to what Fox seems to have done (and forgive me for putting words into your mouth here), seeing a particular resonance between a stated position and Nazi ideology. The problem with this last bit is that it can be read as being pretty subjective, and runs the risk of sliding into calling anything that doesn't agree with your own politics as "Nazism" - which seems to be the objection of many here. I don't agree with Fox on this one, but I do see where he's coming from. I have serious issues with a couple having 18 kids - especially 18 kids growing up to have giant Western-sized environmental footprints. That strikes me as selfish and not particularly forward thinking. That doesn't make me a Nazi, it makes me a political and environmental realist, but whatever, that's just one guy's opinion. My take: use the word Nazi when dealing with political movements or ideas that are racially-based and exterminationist and find better, more precise words in other cases. PFoster 14:48, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Well put, Foster. If you advocated executing the parents and their children, or putting the children to work in a slave-labor camp, that would make you a Nazi. Expressing an opinion that their actions were unintelligent and perhaps selfish does not. Rational Edthink! 10:26, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Nazi Proxima Centauri 14:57, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

Re:Metapedia, Stormfront[edit]

If you send me an email, I may have something interesting to discuss with you. --מְתֻרְגְּמָן שְׁלֹום

Well Fox... will you send that all-important email??? Hopefully there will be interesting results from this as well! I offer full emotional support in whatever project you may or may not be undertaking. Resolution of conflict is important as well. UchihaKATON! 23:55, 10 May 2008 (EDT)
IMPORTANT EMAIL IN THE OFFING!!! (not) humanUser talk:Human 00:09, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Hey, I just found out about Metapedia, I live in Australia with alot of young Israeli tourists right across the street so I'm not afraid of some skinhead fuck, (besides just hide your IP). If there is a plan to take these fucks down, count me in! DLerner 09:39, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
Here's our headquarters gloating grounds. NightFlareSpeak, mortal 12:57, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

People Who Will Miss Fox[edit]

On an unrelated note, your triumphant return to CP...[edit]

How did you handle or finagle that? You were fun to have here, sad to see you back in the cave, watching the shadows dance on the wall.-caius (orator) 11:47, 11 May 2008 (EDT)


I love you. Don't go to the dark side! --Linus(plot evil tech) 11:58, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

I'd rather you stay here, too, for whatever it's worth (and seeing as how you had my sock's quote about how G-d cares about people not politics on your CP user page for a while, maybe it's worth a little sump'n.) PFoster 12:18, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
  • Strong support: I agree with all of the above. You can't leave, Mr Vulpes -- I've hidden your left kidney somewhere on the wiki, for one thing.— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 12:42, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
  • Yay. So, is Fox actually leaving or are we doing this for the sake of novelty? NightFlareSpeak, mortal 13:02, 11 May 2008 (EDT)
I really hope he isn't leaving. Hence my vote. There was a little bit of novelty involved, though...— Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs 13:08, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

See, Fox, if you leave, the Messianic Jew Cabal will be reduced to one, which will result in the upsetting of our EVOL PLANS FOR WORLD DOMINATION BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! --Linus(plot evil tech) 12:54, 11 May 2008 (EDT)

  • What: I'm very sad. Every day you were here I marvelled at how well (usually) you got on with everyone else, on such a politically charged wiki - despite marked differences in political ideology. That satisfying and inspiring example has apparently been discontinued. Furthermore, you're ruining our plan for worldwide illiteracy. UchihaKATON! 09:21, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Haven't you caught on by now that Fox was here only to persuade RW to turn our attention from CP to MP? Rational Edthink! 09:24, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
That... seems a rather futile task. Not that we might not turn our attention briefly/sporadically to reporting on/vandalizing MP, but CP is kind of at the center of RW. Although if you're right that would imply political opponents are usually only drawn together by a common enemy... UchihaKATON! 09:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Radioactive Afikoman[edit]

The concerns he has expressed at various places on the wiki today lead me to say that I have to disassociate myself from something that - for all anybody except the direct participants knows - is sailing very close to being illegal. Fox 04:13, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

How did you so eloquently put it? Braaaawk, bruk bruk braaawk. Rational Edperception 13:50, 12 May 2008 (EDT)

FA Cup[edit]

They deserved it on the day. So pleased for Harry. Jollyfish.gifGenghisYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 12:33, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
Fact, true, yup. I never wanted it for me, I always wanted it for the "city" and for "'Arry" :) Fox 12:50, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
And yes, I cried like a girl :) Me and the family will be down at Southsea for the parade tomorrow Fox 12:59, 17 May 2008 (EDT)
Hey Foxy, here's a little present. > > >
 Lily Ta, wack! 05:13, 18 May 2008 (EDT)


I suspected as much. Hello Army. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink Is this lulz inducing? 19:18, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

Hello shrink. Be warned - there's an army of me =) Fox 19:22, 26 July 2008 (EDT)
OMG. FOX IS BJORK!! RUNNNNN!!! --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink Is this lulz inducing? 19:23, 26 July 2008 (EDT)

No subject[edit]

We do not ban users based on their comments elsewhere, such as on their own blog. Wikipedia will monitor users' blogs and ban them for their exercise of free speech on their own blogs.

You have an account on RationalWiki. Therefore you should be banned as well as Jareddr. Obviously none of the guidelines on CP matter when used against liberals, we all know that. But I really and truly didn't expect this from you. You are being as utterly ridiculous as everyone on that site. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink Is this lulz inducing? 11:22, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

The Schlafly doublethink virus has got to you at last Foxy. Wanker! SusanG  ContribsTalk 11:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Good grief. How long is a declared RW user expected to last on CP? Take a look at the aims and objectives of this site. Yes, there are users such as myself who exist on both sites. Also Wikinterpreter. I tried also to unlock (off top of head) PalMD, Ames, possibly Human, etc. I'm here under sufferance. As soon as I say something that stings, I get a block. Users here have called me a paedophile without serious censure from the "community". Similarly, there are many users on CP who I recognise as RW users. As soon as they say something that is a blatant falsehood I block them (hello Marge/Pam). It is a symbiotic relationship, in many cases. Jello's butting in on the argument was not out of liberal concerns, it was a personal insult weighed up after reading yesterday's discussion here. I blocked for 24 hrs, but said editor couldn't resist further digs here. I'm not the only person reading this site, obviously. I think I was lenient, given that jello will back within 24 hrs under a new name. And Susan, nice to know that you think being called a paedophile is such a minor thing. Fox 11:39, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
What did Jareddr do wrong exactly? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink Is this lulz inducing? 11:44, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Answer this first: How is being called a paedophile a lesser concern than blocking someone from CP? Fox 11:46, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Who called you a paedophile and when? I was not around when that happened. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink Is this lulz inducing? 11:50, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
You're over-reacting. Sheesh didn't know you were an admin and he only spoke of the obsessive sexuality editors, and only retorted after your threats of physical violence. If he really did aim the insult at you, I would've blocked him or at least commented had I been active at the time. That's my answer; what's yours to the initial question? NorsemanWassail! 15:27, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Yeah. I didn't call Fox anything at first and never a pedophile. Saying otherwise is a lie and he knows it. I believe I was commenting on what I see as the excessive interest in "sexual perversion" exhibited by some editors over at CP and noting that Andy and Ed (to name some names)only found power and influence in among children and used their position to be bullies and creeps. Fox choose to (mis)take those remarks as being directed at him personally. I had no idea who he was at the time and don't really now. I just wish he would STFU about an incident that he manufactured essentially whole cloth from otherwise unremarkable bit of critique on my part. Exasperate me!Sheesh!Not the most impressive contributor here 16:33, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Cunts and Twats[edit]

Fox, maybe you missed it, but I - and I reckon a few others - would be grateful if you stopped using female genitals as an insult. Calling people a "cunt" or a "twat" at every turn is tiresome and speaks ill about how you think of half of the world's population...PFoster 13:05, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Does this mean PFoster that you are one of the elusive females I've been hearing so much about? Just for future reference and to satisfy my own curiosity. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink Is this lulz inducing? 13:11, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Prick. Fox 13:16, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Shrink - nope, sorry. Fox: classy.PFoster 13:21, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Pfoster - Dun't care. Fox. Schlong. --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink Is this lulz inducing? 13:23, 30 July 2008 (EDT)


Hello Fox, --Foxy 15:21, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Hello Fox, --Faux 15:21, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Hello Fox, --Fox hunter 15:22, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Hello Fox, --Outfoxed 15:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Hello Fox, --Focks 15:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Hello Fox, --Fax 15:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Hello Fox, --"Fawkes" 15:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Hello Fox, --Fawx 15:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Hello Fox, --Faukes 15:24, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Oh, Hais. I can have fox burger?--Waiting for Godot 16:20, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Littlefish, remember to write your passwords down when you mass-produce accounts. Also, you have the most warped sense of humour I have ever witnessed. Save for my own, obviously. Marginally Less Chaos!Audacity! 04:21, 31 July 2008 (EDT)
If user:Fox desires, these doppelganger accounts can be moved to "innocent" usernames (ie "Iwasadumbass1" etc.) Just say the word, M. Renard. ħumanUser talk:Human 04:38, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Message to all users[edit]

I regret to inform people that it appears that Fox's account has been hijacked by a 13-year old going through a particularly angsty period of puberty and desperate for attention. Please do not think ill of the real Fox we all know and love, as these are clearly not his own words and actions. ThunderkatzHo! 16:08, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Yeah, I hate it when that happens. Bloody 13-year olds. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 16:09, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Looks around feet for rug rats. I think I'm going to just put mine in jail from 7 (or the first time they get mouth) till they are 18 and legally someone else's problem. --Waiting for Godot 16:17, 30 July 2008 (EDT)
Amazing how they can manipulate code in seconds that takes others weeks to do. HEAR THAT TRENT? -- 16:18, 30 July 2008 (EDT)


Fox, Hope you don't take the block the wrong way; I just felt that the whole phonecall thing was going nowhere. Nobody wanted to take you up on it and you continued to prod talk:wigo about it. In general, the whole tone of the discussion was becoming antagonistic and was not constructive in any way. Bonsoir, Bondurant 17:57, 30 July 2008 (EDT)

Re: Your New user Page Essay[edit]


You make some interesting points, and I'd like to respond to some of them.

First and foremost: I think you're making precisely the mistake which is the major fault of both CP and RW. You talk about "you people" as if we were some sort of contiguous group with a unified philosophy and identical positions. We're not. Chances are, I have very little in common with many of the people here. I don't particularly hate anybody at CP (how could I? I've never met any of them.) I think there's a tremendous amount of hypocrisy and dishonesty there, but I also acknowledge that there's quite a bit here. While I'm willing to call people out for hypocrisy--and to use humor as a weapon against it--there are certain lines I will not cross. I would never, for example, vandalize or attack a website; nor do I approve of such activity.

As far as the whole "Punching things and people" issue goes, I can't applaud you for it. That has nothing to do with your faith or anti-Semitism in general; I just don't think it's a good thing when people lose control and physically assault one another. I won't even lie and say that there are absolutely no circumstances under which I would do the same, but I think it would take a lot.

If alcohol causes you problems with self-control, I'd suggest avoiding it. That's not meant as an insult; it's honest advice from someone who never touches the stuff. I am quite aware that I have a highly addictive personality; therefore, I avoid substances to which I do not want to become addicted. The same logic, I think, should apply to substances that can compromise your judgement to the point where you punch holes in walls.

At any rate--the fact that I disagree with you doesn't automatically mean I hate you. Just something to consider. --Phentari 15:17, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

I as a bit taken aback by the "you people". I've never insulted you or even taken much interest in CP (which I personally believe is a lot more boring than many people seem to think) - I've never told you or Andy to "fuck off" or called anybody a "paedophile" etc etc. Whether your criticisms are correct or not I'm not in a position to say, as I couldn't keep up with the last round of debate. But RW is more than the people who chose to debate with you and you may be painting with slightly too broad a brush.--Bobbing up 15:29, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
I find areas of agreement with both comments, but diasgree. Comment 1 is from a non-Jew who therefore cannot be relied upon to give a subjective PoV from a purely Jewish perspective about Holocaust jokes: qv user:DLerner. Second user, well, perhaps you should take more interest in what a website you purport to support claims. caveat emptor.... 15:43, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
I'm a bit puzzled. First off, I don't believe my faith or lack thereof has ever been established. Secondly, my comment had nothing to do with Holocaust jokes, other than the tangential matter of the response to said joke. I would respond the same to an atheist punching someone for saying "Atheists are going to hell," to a Christian punching someone for making jokes about the Passion, or a native of Japan punching someone for making a joke about Hiroshima. I don't and wouldn't fault any of them for being offended--but I will not applaud the lack of self control implicit in allowing words to goad one into a physical attack.
I don't accept the premise that only those who are members of a given group are entitled to criticize the actions of a member of that group. --Phentari 16:00, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
Like I said, you cannot be relied upon to give a decent opinion on the subjerct. Had you parents been lucky survivors of some extermination camp set up to gas atheists and their babies, I would detect some common sense in your answer. As they patently were not, I detect some scorn in my opinion that you are therefore talking out of your starfish =) Fox 16:11, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
I'm sorry you're unable to detect the common sense in my answer. And as I said the last time you took this position: it's remarkably presumptive. First, you presume to know more about me than you do; second, you presume that all children of Holocaust survivors will share your viewpoint. Third, you seem to be concluding that your parentage frees you from any criticism whatsoever as long as you can link it to the issue of the Holocaust in any way.
Had you hit the man with a rock, would I still not be qualified to criticize your actions? What about shooting him?
On a related subject: how far does this unique insight extend? Will your children be exempt from criticism if they engage in similar acts, on the grounds that their grandparents were Holocaust survivors? What about their children? (That's more than a rhetorical question, by the way, and I'm honestly curious as to your answer.) --Phentari 16:36, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
LOL if you genuinely can't see that you are playing semantics and, frankly, talking a load of old shite, then perhaps RW is your resting place. No other site - except Stormfront and its ilk - would have you. Does that speak volumes about you as a person, or about RW..? Fox 16:41, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
And my children? If you think its any part of this site to involve our extended families, then trust me, my children would happily mete out justice on those who think it is fashionable to apologize for genocide. Wouldn't yours? If not, perhaps you need to reevaluate what they're learning. Fox 16:45, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
I think you're both talking at cross purposes. Ajkgordon 16:46, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

(Unindent) Okay. I'd like to touch on a few things here.

First: take a step back and compare our exchanges. Have I insulted you? Have I talked down to you? I've said I can't agree with some of the things you've said and done. I've also acknowledged that, under certain circumstances, I might be tempted to do the same. The main point of difference is that I don't think it's the best response, and I don't think I'd be justified if and when I did get angry enough to haul off and punch someone. I offered you some advice, and I hope you didn't take that as insulting--it was honest advice, based on what you seem to think yourself is a self-control problem, from someone who has a similar problem.

Now, compare that to your responses to me. You've repeatedly told me that I'm not entitled to have an opinion on the subject, despite not knowing anything about me other than that I don't wholeheartedly agree with you. You've voiced your scorn for me, used profanity, and are now making not-so-thinly veiled suggestions that I would find Stormfront congenial.

C'mon, Fox...I belong on Stormfront? Really? Saying "I don't think punching someone in the face is the right answer" means I'm a white supremacist?

Which of us is showing anger and intolerance towards the other?

I can't help but wonder: based on the discussion we've had so far...and the fact that you've apparently decided that I'm a Holocaust apologist...if I were sitting face to face with you right now, would you be tempted to punch me in the face?

I have no children; if and when I do, I can't say that I would encourage them to "mete out justice." I would encourage them to seek justice, certainly. I would encourage them to stand up and strongly denounce those who do wrong. Should they choose to seek a career in which they were charged with enforcing police, or in the military...I would support their decision. That wasn't really the point of my question, though; I'm attempting to determine who, exactly, you feel would be qualified to offer an opinion on the subject. (What is the subject, by the way? My initial post had nothing at all to do with the Holocaust, so how did it become an issue?)

I'm not sure if you're going to be willing to really look at this exchange and see the point I'm trying to make, Fox. I hope you will. You have some good insights, and I've enjoyed reading them in the past. But if you choose to see everyone as an enemy, it's easy to make that a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I'm not your enemy. I'm disappointed that you apparently view me as one. --Phentari 17:05, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

It isn't that I view you as an enemy, altough to be fair, this site in general will swear black is white to find fault with its detractors. To your direct question: What then is the judicial punishment for a non-Jew who mocks a Jew - and his teenage daughter, veteran of the IDF - with jokes about the Holocaust? What if I had instead followed the law of the land, and gone away to report this to the "local constabulary", as a law abiding citizen? Firstly, they might have asked the name of this supposed "nazi sympathiser". I didn't know it. (I do now, of course, lol...) Or a description ("Guy in jeans and black Tshirt") Let's face it, today's judicial process isn't interested in that. I would have spent 3 or 4 hours making a statement, the police would have nodded and made "hmm" noises and life would have gone on. As it happened, I chose not to follow that procedure. I chose instead to explain loudly that I took offense at his humour, and then chose instead to strike him - as hard as I can remember, harder than I ever struck anybody before or since - with my bunched right fist in his face. My knuckles connected perfectly with his cheek, shattering his zygomatic bone and tearing his flesh, resulting in a permanent disfigurement. No statements, no ID parades, no ambiguity. "Twat got his". Afterwards, as everyone else urged me to "run away", I stood my ground. I waited for the polis while he sobbed and whimpered and bled and snotted on the floor. The souls of six million Jews *may* have looked on. Many may have felt I had gone a "punch too far". But if only one screaming baby, inhaling zyklon B, agreed that this dick got a good slap, that was justification enough for me. He'll still be a twat, but at least now every day he will wake and shave and remember that sometimes the objects of his humour rise up and strike back... My children have been raised to do the same. Does that make me the bad man? Perhaps it does in your worldview. But not in ours. Fox 17:30, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Let me try to respond to one thing at a time.
1. The "hitting the guy" issue. As I said, I can't agree that this was the right choice. Please note: I didn't say "don't," I said "can't." That's a matter of my religious faith; I'm a strict pacifist as a matter of faith. Even so, I acknowledge (as I said) that there are probably situations where I would do something similar. If someone were to attack my wife, for instance, I'm realistic enough to acknowledge that my pacifism would probably go right out the window. I do admire your willingness to accept the consequences of your actions.
2. I never said you were a bad man. I said I couldn't agree with all of your choices. There's a world of difference between the two.
3. The thrust of my initial post wasn't specifically the fact that you punched this one was the fact that you seem to get into moods where you feel the need to punch things in general, literally or metaphorically. I can at least understand punching the guy, even if I don't wholeheartedly support it. On the other hand, when I hear someone admit that they sometimes get angry enough to start punching walls, I see that as cause for at least mild concern that there's an anger management problem.
I think that's what's carrying over to these boards in a metaphorical sense; you get angry, and you start swinging. Maybe sometimes you hit the guy who made the offensive joke, maybe sometimes you hit an unoffending wall...or maybe sometimes you hit someone who just happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. I honestly feel like you got in a few good shots on me in this exchange that I didn't really deserve. The Stormfront thing hit in a sensitive spot, I'll admit it. Your parents were Holocaust survivors; my dad was a civil rights activist from Louisiana who had members of his own family disown him for "betraying his race."
4. And that brought me to the advice...which, again, was honest advice: if you know that alcohol can result in behavior you're not proud of afterwards, maybe it's best just to steer clear. For some people, it's not a good choice. I know it's not for me; it sounds like it might not be for you.
--Phentari 17:45, 4 August 2008 (EDT)
You see, this is where all this bullshit starts. There's nothing wrong with my walls. They're all "punch free". Its the bullshit merchants at RW who spread this crap. I *don't* go around randomly flinging fists at passers-by - or walls - who disagree. That's just way "you people" say/imply. I will admit that I will punch anybody who supports the shoah, and I don't care what your "moral" judgement of that is. If *I'm* wrong, it doesn't matter. If *you're* wrong, G-d will - hopefully- forgive me. Meantime, I have the moral backing of a people who feel that 6 million (including 1.5 million children) was going a little buit too far... Alcohol is a double-bluff - I wasn't drunk when I punched that twat. Hence the judge's comments that alcohol may have been a disinhibitor, but wasn't the cause of the punch. Surprisingly, had the intoximeter demonstrated I was "legally" drunk, I may have been treated even more leniently by the court. I don't have "previous", not even a parking ticket. I scarred that twat good, and the judge 'fessed up in the Goodyear Direction that normallly I would have received 12 months porridge. But I had a good character, clean, and was to some degree - in judicial terms - provoked. In this instance, the provocateur got what he deserved. How about the provocateurs here..? Fox 18:01, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Ah. You have my apologies, then; I misunderstood. In fairness, though, I misunderstood based on what you had written in your essay:
You make a big thing, recently, about me getting pissed and "punching holes in bathroom walls" and having to "move house". Listen to yourselves. I admit, alcohol is such a rarity in my household that I'm not as used to its effects as some of you. The judge in my infamous nazi punch case said that my "lack of familiarity" with alcohol - bearing in mind that I rarely drink - may have acted as - his words - "a disinhibitor", and that he didn't feel that alcohol abuse was a problem in my life. I admit its true, I'm anybody's after a shandy. And after a few beers, I am completely "disinhibited". I would almost certainly give the Pope a mouthful after 2 pints, so, after 4 or 5, I can only say that the next day I will probably be ashamed of my actions =/ Not the best thing to do, but surely better than being an alcoholic or frequent boozer? Call me a PuP, but don't imply I'm a wino.
Based on that paragraph, I thought you were saying that you had punched holes in your bathroom walls, and that you thought the people at RW were unreasonable for making a "big thing" out of it. Again, please accept my apologies for misunderstanding that. You might want to rewrite the paragraph to clearly indicate that you didn't do that and you object to people saying you did.
On the other hand, it really does seem like you're very sensitive about this issue, and like you're not willing to give others a lot of benefit of the doubt when it comes up. (Did I really say anything that merited suggesting that Stormfront would be a good place for me?) Would you agree that that's a fair assessment? --Phentari 18:12, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Fox, I'll throw in my two cents here as well. Phentari made the point above about speaking in terms of "you people" and I agree this is a fundamental error made by everyone at one time or another. I think your suggestion that Stormfront is the only site other than RW that would have some of us is reactionary and beyond the pale. You punched a man in the face because he made some off color (perhaps even truly horrible) remarks about the Holocaust, but not everyone who thinks your choice to punch him was incorrect is a Holocaust denier or apologist.

Now, I made an off color joke the other day about the Holocaust, and I would bet that there are some who would say that since I'm a Muslim it must mean that I hate Jews and that I deny or lessen the events of the Holocaust. Let me be plain when I say that the cold blooded extermination of millions of Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, and other "undesirables" is the worst crime in human history and anyone who suggests it didn't happen is a terrible person. Now, I respect that it's a more personal event for you having (from the sounds of things) lost family to the gas chambers, and I can't imagine how that must feel. Here's what I can imagine: Every day I hear horrible things said about my religion. People argue that Muhammed was a demon-possessed pedophile, that we should invade the Middle East and covert everyone to Christianity, that we should just bomb the ME into a glass covered parking lot, etc etc etc. Despite frequent provocation, not once have I had the urge to take out my frustration physically, though Daniel Pipes would have you believe that I'll go into Sudden Jihad syndrome mode and suicide bomb a public place.

In fact, the angriest I've ever been in support of my religion is when Andy denied the Bosnian genocide, yet for all your fervor and the well known statement of Never Again, I don't recall seeing you supporting the inclusion of the Srebrenica massacre in the list of genocides.

I digress, but the point is this: we are brothers, Fox. I bear you know ill will, and I only hope that you feel the same way. Stile4aly 20:01, 4 August 2008 (EDT)

Foxey, Baby.[edit]

Hitler everywhere. Auschwitz victims on the front page in a shout-out to Ricky Dawkins. CP and the Shoah. Your views as one of the chosen people and a regular at the site? Lotsa love....PFoster 19:40, 22 November 2008 (EST)

My views... are censored heavily at CP. Notice that as soon as I start to lead in to the primary source of anti-semitism, eg Christianity, they wade in and start asking for "ancient texts" and moar prewfs. And then throw in some blocks to make the uppity red sea pedestrian stfu. Hitler would never have had his scapegoats if there hadn't been all those centuries of "previous" from the Church. Meh. Fox 19:44, 22 November 2008 (EST)
You pwned me witht he lolspeak ;) I hope your hand is getting better? ħumanUser talk:Human 22:15, 22 November 2008 (EST)


Is that for real? Matt 05:26, 24 November 2008 (EST)

As printscreened from my inbox a few minutes back. Fox 05:30, 24 November 2008 (EST)
This may well be the most exciting thing that has ever happened to me. Matt 05:35, 24 November 2008 (EST)
If it isn't true, then it is part of TK's disinformation game (which he plays fantastically) among the sysops at CP. I've asked "Deep Throat" for further information. Until then, I'm just going to get a pot of coffee so I can sit and analyse every single edit you ever made here XD Fox 05:38, 24 November 2008 (EST)
Hmmm. I wish to prove my credentials as an Englishman by pointing out that Nottarf Krap is quite a funny anagram. Matt 05:39, 24 November 2008 (EST)
I once saw a car in the USA with a Scummer's bumper sticker, so you will have to try harder than that =P Fox 05:41, 24 November 2008 (EST)
They get everywhere. Here are my favourite teams, in order. Nobody could make this up: Brighton, Liverpool, Dumbarton, Exeter, Barnet, Ipswich. Matt 05:50, 24 November 2008 (EST)

re:Blocks & CP[edit]

Chill the frak out. You know I'm right, and if you're trying to prove yourself to Aschlafly by blocking me, that's kind of sad.-caius (orator) 18:08, 25 November 2008 (EST)

I could block and revert instead if you prefer, Ames. What you contribute there when I'm not watching RC is one thing, but if I ignore you saying who you are when I'm actively editing it just undermines my position even more, which is - as usual - shakier than a wino's hand on welfare check day, thanks to the presence of my arch nemesis, Barbra's little boy. Besides, who would you rather have block you - gentle ole Fox, or some other sysop with a mouthful of invective shot your way? Fox 18:13, 25 November 2008 (EST)
Barbra'S little boy. I suppose that's KenDoll. Proxima Centauri 06:00, 27 November 2008 (EST)
TK. And I wouldn't give him the satisfaction of blocking me =) Fox 06:05, 27 November 2008 (EST)