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Ohayo Gozaimasu[edit]

Welcome to RW! Even if I doubt you'll really be active here, I think we all appreciate the force for good you are at CP. EternalCritic 11:36, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Thank you! I am sad our last conversation was cut short and that it was I who reverted you, but will keep trying over there. Who knows what can happen? --TokyoRose 12:10, 13 December 2008 (EST)
It deserved reversion. It was all garbage because I was just angry at Ed at the time. EternalCritic

Wishing you best of luck.--symuunWords! 12:41, 13 December 2008 (EST)


:D AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 13:05, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Domo arigato Mr. Roboto[edit]

Sorry, that's about as Japanese as I get :)

You said: A couple of editors, whom I shall not mention, keep returning despite this treatment, which leads me to believe they are either saints or masochists.

Believe me, it's the latter.

UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGH I just saw that Ed blocked me (FOR A FREAKING WEEK) for "personal remarks", after I pointed out that he DIDN'T block Bugler for personal remarks. Seriously, Jessica, leave now. There is no saving the site, and it's best just to avoid the frustration and complete idocy of the man. JazzMan 14:19, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Unblock yourself and block Ed for "defending a vandal" (his block reason for Brichtigen) as he defends Bugler. :P AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 14:37, 13 December 2008 (EST)
If asking Ed a question is personal remarks, I'm sure I can find some personal remarks of Ed's for which to block him. But then I would be stooping to his level. JazzMan 14:40, 13 December 2008 (EST)
Not necessarily, just more like giving him a taste of his own medicine! :P AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 14:46, 13 December 2008 (EST)
But all he (and Bugler, and TK) wants is for me to leave in such a way that I can get demoted and perma banned, thus never able to attempt to thwart their goals of destroying the project. Blocking one of Andy's ass-suckers would be a good way to garuntee this. I've already lost this war, but I'm not going to give them any more ammunition with which to continue fighting other wars. JazzMan 14:59, 13 December 2008 (EST)
The fundamental problem at CP has always been Andy himself - he's completely unable to accept criticism, and he either can't or for some reason won't step in as a manager and actually establish some sort of authority over his sysops. It is this combination that basically gives people like Ed, TK and Bugler free reins to do as they please. I have a great deal of respect for people like Jessica and Jazzman both for speaking up and for actually trying to improve the site under such circumstances, but unfortunately, nothing is going to change unless Andy changes. And so far, he seems to only have changed for the worse. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 15:12, 13 December 2008 (EST)
Theoretically, the rest of them could self-regulate underneath Andy. The problem is it's parodists and people trying to destroy the site while claiming they are for it against known liberals and people who really don't agree with the party line. CP is such an illogical place, that the people who are supposed to be denouncing the site are the ones who are defending it, and the people with all the real power desire to see the project fail. JazzMan 15:50, 13 December 2008 (EST)
I see where you're coming from, sorry for trying to give bad advice. When your block expires, what then? Bring the situation to Andy? Silently quitting won't give you a chance to thwart their goals, plus there's nothing stopping them from just blocking and deleting your userpages with the reason of "he quit anyway". What'll you do when your block expires? My hope is that Bugler and crew don't start up with super-kawaii JessicaT in the same manner. AndyToad.gifNorsemanCyser Melomel 16:53, 13 December 2008 (EST)
If I can't stop them I'm certainly not going to stick around and frustrate myself. I was supposed to have quit already, and move on to greener pastures! JazzMan 19:14, 13 December 2008 (EST)

(UD, new thought) Bugler's response: you don't agree with the party line, so you might as well be one of them. I'm telling you Jessica, you seem like a very nice girl. Just leave now. There has got to be a better wiki out there. JazzMan 15:50, 13 December 2008 (EST)

You seem to be joining a week late.[edit]

Were you not due December 7th? Carptrash 14:27, 13 December 2008 (EST)


So you're Japanese? Can't be many conservative Japanese Christians! Dunno why you bother with that dysfunctional site. Why not edit wikipedia instead? It's not as bad as far as editors are concerned. >8^J86.43.183.68 15:06, 13 December 2008 (EST)


I love your subversive RW nickname. It tickles the historian in me. :) --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 01:13, 14 December 2008 (EST)

RE: Your reply below. It really is an amazing story. I'm assuming you're referring to the life of Iva Toguri D'Aquino...?
Absolutely. I had known the name "Tokyo Rose" but never the story behind it (interestingly Japanese school kids still use it for somebody who tells tales). When I was writing the cp:Tokyo Rose bit, I actually burst into tears myself when I got to the bit about one of her former accusers saying, "She never said those words..." (I can be such a girl at times!) Her story and Fatty Arbuckle (I read the Yallop book) must be the 2 worst bad-justice cases I have come across. Strangely, I can find no info on any of the other "Roses." very strange. --TokyoRose 08:48, 16 December 2008 (EST)
The other "Roses" went under the radar of history, it seems. One was Canadian, as I recall, but that's about it. I didn't know the phrase "Tokyo Rose" had found its way into Japanese language! That's very interesting, since it was a name given by the Allies to the various Roses, as opposed to something any of them called themselves. --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 09:47, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Sorry Everybody[edit]

This idiot ran out of airtime at the crucial moment last night. Will reply in full now. (thank you for so many replies). JazzMan, I could not believe what Ed did -basically use my appeal as an excuse to block you. (and reinforce my point that people are unapproachable on there) I think given that Ed, Bugler and TK have basically told me to shut up (and swallow the koolaid too I suppose) speaks volumes. Still, I feel if I leave now, then 'they' will have won - and I do not want that. Besides, I hate leaving things half-finished.

On the subject of Dec 7th there is a story that your should never fly to Hawaii on Japan Air. The pilot makes an announcement, "Ladies and gentlemen, we are approaching Honolulu airport... and they do not know we are coming." As for conservative Japanese Christians, well we are all conservative to a degree (although I would still probably be branded a liberal due to my beliefs on gun control - the idea of owning a gun is simply alien to me), but Christian - if there are one million in total that would be a great deal. We are very much the minority, although my family does not totally ignore the traditional beliefs - everyone else out side my immediate family are Shinto and I am one of the few (I think) who has been both a shrine maiden and an altar girl on the same day! I though TokyoRose was fitting, seeing as I am "broadcasting to the enemy", plus I was amazed when actually learnt the whole story. --TokyoRose 05:57, 14 December 2008 (EST)

BTW - I have been worrying about this post and edit comment (I have since fixed up the article). Should I take this as an attack on me, or not? (I know it is a part of our history that we are not proud of, but still) --TokyoRose 06:02, 14 December 2008 (EST)
I think that's just Ed being Ed. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 07:18, 14 December 2008 (EST)
On the Internet we don't see the other person's reaction. It can be difficult to tell motives. I would like to aplogize for upsetting you with some of my vandalism on Conservapedia. TK, Bugler, Ed Poor, Aschlafly deserved it but you didn't. Proxima Centauri 07:06, 14 December 2008 (EST)
I am sorry too Proxima - but whatever else I stand for, I will block for vandalism (that one changing the links in the Creation article was creative, and lucky I just decided to follow the links.) I did laugh at your indignant - "3 of her first 4 blocks were all against me!" though. I did not have it in for you, promise! --TokyoRose 07:16, 14 December 2008 (EST)
I don't think Ed's edit summary was addressed at you Rose, as it was made before your plea for sanity. It's probably just part of Ed's inate racism but may also be a subtle dig at PJR. Unfortunately his little jokes often leave a sour taste. So long as you keep making good edits and do what you think is right you will probably be OK. While I won't go as far as saying that they are on your side, PJR, CPAdmin1, Learn together and would probably back you up if you were unfairly picked upon. Currently Ed Poor is only the really hostile sysop while TK, Bugler and RW are just your peers. Until Andy decides to promote any or all of them then you are reasonably safe. As many people on this site can attest to, the worst thing you can do is get into a dialog with the likes of TK (and the wannabees) as they will suck the life out of you. Redchuck.gif ГенгисYou have the right to be offended; and I have the right to offend you. 07:32, 14 December 2008 (EST)
You said:
I know it is a part of our history that we are not proud of, but still
But I'll add that all of us would be hard pressed to defend all the actions of our ancestors. Well, except the Canadians, and even them . . .............. Carptrash 12:56, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Oh, we manage. --Kels 12:58, 14 December 2008 (EST)
We Canucks have plenty. Residential schools, interring the Japanese during WWII... Well, the Americans have us beat? Publius 13:06, 14 December 2008 (EST)
We made William Shatner, doesn't that count for something? --Kels 13:15, 14 December 2008 (EST)
It so does. No one wants to acknowledge it, though. --Purple George!YossieSpring in Fialta 08:35, 16 December 2008 (EST)
Canadians are good. . . . . Carptrash 13:34, 14 December 2008 (EST)


Glad to see you crossed the great divide. keep up the great work! --PsyGremlinWhut? 09:58, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Hi Rose. I don't usually read CP so I can't comment on what goes on there, but based on your comments here you seem to be a very reasonable individual. I hope you stick around.--Bobbing up 10:03, 14 December 2008 (EST)
I'm also glad to see you here. I often think your knowledge & hard work are wasted on CP (although obviously CP would be better if there were more editors like you). Well done for taking a stand against the bullies. weaseLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 19:03, 14 December 2008 (EST)
Looks like Ed took his own stand and blocked Bugler for...2 whole hours. Wow. That'll make him learn the error of his ways. *eyeroll* --Kels 19:19, 14 December 2008 (EST)

I wanted to say welcome as well, but missed the bus since I was in Seoul all weekend. I thought your appeal was very well-written. Welcome to RW!--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 21:02, 14 December 2008 (EST)

Thank you again, everyone. Your warmth is amazing! Although now I think I must retreat into my shell a bit for the time being. TomMoore - I do not know how much you managed to see in a weekend, but what was Seoul like? It has been on my 'to go' list for a while now. --TokyoRose 11:08, 15 December 2008 (EST)
I saw the DMZ, two museums (royal palace and modern arts), the craft district, and Seoul Tower amongst other places. But then I live in Korea, so I wasn't trying to cram too much in. If you're thinking of going, definitely do so; the public transportation system makes it easy to get anywhere, and there is a huge amount to see.--Tom Moorefiat justitia ruat coelum 18:00, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Wikiindex has a whole Category of wikis about Japan. Some are in English. Japan Wiki has an English language section. I got this random page. If you would like to write about Japan and improve your English that looks like a good place to work. Here’s what you see if you click on the Japanese flag. I strongly advise you to get involved with wikis that reflect your interests and don’t involve Conservapedia. Whether you stay at Conservapedia or not you should not be psychologically dependent on the dysfunctional people at Conservapedia. Proxima Centauri 14:01, 15 December 2008 (EST) It's me! The annoying rat who stuck his nose in where he wasn't wanted. Congrats, again, for you remarkable appeal which will be ignored by the powers that be.--Totally |<sup>clueless</sup> 17:59, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Hi there Wave.gif[edit]

I seem to be the last person to have found you. I am sorry about the whole fake Jinx thing. Once you get rolling on something like that it is too much fun to stop. Are you going to be hanging around a while? If so do you want to become an official member of the club? CPadmin1 took offence to me demoting him so I think I have to ask now. - User \scriptstyle(6\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}n^{-2})^{1/2} 20:47, 15 December 2008 (EST)

Thank you 3.14159 - I thought your first apology was very kind of you. No harm done, although I did see red at the time :) As for your offer - thank you, but I should decline it. My presence here is being frowned upon and I would rather that I did not undermine my status at CP too much. I think I can still do much to help there. I will be watching, even if I do not reply too often. --TokyoRose 05:56, 16 December 2008 (EST)
Okay then, have fun. - User \scriptstyle(6\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}n^{-2})^{1/2} 05:59, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Quick request[edit]

I know you don't want to stick around here much, which is fair enough, but I'd be interested to know what you think of our article on Japan, most of which I wrote a couple of months ago. Obviously it's not meant to be encyclopedic, just a brief social & political overview. But any feedback would be appreciated, especially if you think anything in it is inaccurate or too judgemental or anything particular should be added. Cheers. weaseLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 10:08, 16 December 2008 (EST)

I had a quick look at for a short summary, I think it looks good. I like the analysis of the religion - neither Buddhism or Shinto has a central god, so it is right to say that if asked if people believe in "god" they would say no, but they can still be religious. Although I am not sure if i would call Shinto "pagan" - but I cannot think of a better word right now either.
I've changed it from "paganistic" to "polytheistic and animistic", which is more accurate. Thanks for looking over the article. weaseLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 07:54, 18 December 2008 (EST)
I dunno, pagan/heathen would be a decent fit, since it comes from the "country dwellers" originally. The name pagan got smeared quite a bit, but if you go back to the original "countryside faith" idea I would say it fits the attitude decently. --Kels 10:18, 18 December 2008 (EST)
I guess maybe what I was trying to highlight with the word "paganistic" is that (getting pretentious here) Japan & Shinto present an interesting counterexample to the traditional anthropological view that civilisations progress from animistic to polytheistic to monotheistic religions - Japan has retained what outsiders might consider a pagan sort of religion & culture throughout its ancient, feudal, industrial and modern development. But then "pagan" is still a bit misleading, since Shinto is too idiosyncratic & distinctively Eastern to be easily compared with European pagan religions, for example. weaseLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 12:37, 18 December 2008 (EST)
Oh, animistic is the best there, to be sure. I guess in my mind, "heathen" doesn't carry the baggage that, say, "pagan" has been forced to carry, and it's a lot closer to the whole "reverence for natural wonders" thing, like mountain spirits and so forth. --Kels 12:41, 18 December 2008 (EST)
Really? I thought "heathen" was worse - one of those words like "infidel" or "unbeliever" & with connotations of "savage" too, whereas "pagan" has been reappropriated by modern polytheists & animists. weaseLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 12:44, 18 December 2008 (EST)
Well, by Established Church standards, "infidel" and "unbeliever" is exactly what they are, and I think the Franciscans called the Shinto folks that at one point. But it's used a lot less than "pagan" in any case, I don't think I've heard anyone much use it as a pejorative in a long time, at least not seriously. --Kels 13:04, 18 December 2008 (EST)
Certain branches of neopaganism have kind of adopted the term "heathen" instead. Mostly northern European ones. Researcher 13:53, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Season's Greetings[edit]

I am off on my holidays now, so would just like to wish you all a Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year. --TokyoRose 05:57, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Thank you. Have a great Christmas too & Happy 2009. weaseLOIdWeaselly.jpg~ 07:55, 18 December 2008 (EST)

Quick question[edit]

What do you mean here by "Blaise Pascal had secretly worked out the first twenty-three propositions of Euclid by himself"? You can't prove them all to start with (no. 5 is the classic example) and for any student studying maths before the 20th century Euclid's Elements was the standard first textbook so he would have been taught them all by a teacher. So what is the point you are trying to make? - User \scriptstyle(6\sum_{n=1}^{\infty}n^{-2})^{1/2} 05:15, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Time to go?[edit]

'Nuff said. Toast 13:18, 28 December 2008 (EST)

Conservapedia blocks[edit]

I've read a bit of what TK wrote to you. I didn't read the whole lot because reading TK's bullying and reading about unfair blocks frustrates me. I thought I'd give you some objective information. Sometimes the same users make constructive edits with one account and vandalize with another account. A lot of the time that happens when users can't get a reasonable point accross. Users who know they'll get blocked for writing anything sensible decide they might as well vandalize. When you thought I was vandalizing I was having fun doing something I knew the Admins wouldn't like. I was also trying to warn Conservapedians about TK and trying to point out the arguments Conservapedia had against evolution aren't valid. I guess some of the vandals are the type of irresponsible vandals that haunt all wikis. I don't know which. I'm sure some of the blocks are as unfair as they seem. Ed Poor, Bugler, Karajou Aschlafly and others are the sort who will abuse power if they have power without responsibility. Proxima Centauri 13:43, 29 December 2008 (EST)


I made several redirects so RationalWikians who can't remember your exact username can reach you. If you don't like it please ask any admin to delete the redirects. Proxima Centauri 14:20, 29 December 2008 (EST)

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Deleted due to pointlessness. Harmonic bastard Phantom Hoover! 16:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Delinked due to deletedness. --Sid 23:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Sunlight is the best disinfectant[edit]

We're here if you care to share anything reflecting TK's true nature (disgusting) and dishonesty. CP is one thing, and a fine enough example, but he works in the shadows as well. Hope you're well. Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svgUser:Nutty Roux/sigtalk 15:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

"Now that TK and JPatt are openly playing their parodist hands, it will be interesting to watch Andy's project continue to stagnate." Her opinion. Proxima Centauri 16:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Nutty (may I abbreviate?). I do not know if should do that, as I will really be stooping to his level (although it is worth mentioning he accused me of being both a stalker (of him!) and an alcoholic (I do not even drink sake!) in his last e-mail. What a lovely individual he is). I know most people here hate him, but I think he has serious problems and should be an object of pity, especially as he gives lie to Andy's claim of 0 mental problems. Anybody who spends the time he does obsessing about trivialities needs help. --TokyoRose 10:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

"TokyoRose" (isn't it funny how liberals present themselves?), not much is "clear to" a determined atheist. I've managed to read your rants and noticed that you expressed support for the gay agenda, so my confidence is over three standard deviations away from the mean that you're lacking a largely defensive weapon of gun. You are in complete denial that that abstinence deters insanity. As I've said before, this site is growing rapidly. This is logic and there is nothing ironic about it.--Aschlafly 23:54, 20 April 2021 (UTC)


Hi Jessica, thanks for your comments on the WIGO talkpage and it's great to see you around again! Stop by anytime. Ace McWickedi9 23:49, 20 June 2009 (UTC) P.S. I made you a sysop. Ace McWickedi9 23:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Hello Ace, and thank you for the re-welcome. You will be pleased to know I was watching your football team last night (I have never been so cold in my life!). They are as strong as the US Military - they couldn't beat Iraq either. {^-^} --TokyoRose 10:33, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
No, the US military is undoubatably the strongest force currently in existance (maybe Israel man-for-man). I may have said this before, but the war was not lost by the people who fought it, but by the way it was fought. A series of stupid decisions made the war unwinnable. To use a chess analougy, the US player starts out with 4 queens, and the opponent with none, but the US sacrifices all of them, and squanders their advantage to the point where regardless of strategic advantage to the point where they made it unwinnable. A Perfect example of squandering tactcap knowledge- the Millenium Challenge training excircise- a retired general playing as what was essentially a terrorist group completley annhiliated the US forces. The militaries response was to ignore it. Such a pity when stupidity and arrogance cost lives. The Emperor Kneel before Zod! 10:52, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
Meh, us kiwi's are not known for or footballing skills thats for sure! I understand you're in South Africa? I have spent much time there myself. Its a beautiful country. Ace McWickedi9 01:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Lol - I am not so sure about my country's either, after we lost to the "pizza eating" Aussies (as our captain called them). I am in SA, moved here with my diplomat parents, who then stayed on to manage the family business interests in the region. It is indeed a beautiful country, with amazing people. --TokyoRose 15:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
HA! Pizza eating Aussies! I'll make sure I use that as a term of abuse next time I am talking to an Australian. Like PJR, hehehehe. Yup, I love them South Africans. So much so I am marrying one. Ace McWickedi9 20:07, 22 June 2009 (UTC)


I haven't seen you around before, so hi! Also, I farted in your userspace (that's my way of showing friendliness). SJ Debaser 16:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)