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Sould we have a recent changes board on the main page since we have the notice board?--TimS 13:35, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

What do you mean? Helios-talk to me 13:38, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

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Something like this--TimS 08:10, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

(I took the liberty of creating a new headline for this. Greater visibility, and better distinction between this and the "largest number" thing.)

Wow, that's sweet! Didn't know that that was possible (at least not the "limit to x entries" thing)... --Sid 10:46, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

What do the little red exclamation marks mean? GodlessLiberal 19:52, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

First, it means you're a sysop -- that's why you haven't seen them on other wikis (at least, I hadn't before). They mark changes which haven't been 'patrolled'. If you (again, as a sysop) view one of those pages or edits, there will be a link somewhere above the content which will say something like 'mark as patrolled'. If you click that link, the red exclamation mark will go away on future viewings. This feature is intended to allow a group of sysops to coöperatively monitor all the changes on a wiki without needlessly duplicating work. On the recent search page, there's a 'hide patrolled edits' link which will let you see just the un-patrolled ones. All that said, I somehow doubt we're either organized enough nor controlling enough to try to keep all the edits patrolled. --jtl^talk 20:15, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

I thought it was something to that effect. Thanks. GodlessLiberal 20:38, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

That sounds really cool. Almost makes me want to be a sysop. ɱɑδ ɱ¡ɳ^{blow in my ear}/_{I did this!} 16:28, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

45 Billion

"The largest number is about 45 billion, although mathematicians suspect that there may be even larger numbers" --Kels 15:44, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

I'll see your 45 billion and raise you a nickel ;). Did you know that, every year, MIT (I think) hosts a "big number" competition? The contestants have to work on one blackboard. It can start out easy. I write "1". You write a "1" next to it (11). I write a 10 below and to the left (10^11). You add an exclamation point (10^11 factorial, yikes). It gets very abstract, very fast. Mind boggling. human^{be in} 17:56, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

You appear to be correct! And thanks for mentioning it, I didn't know of any such competition before. --Sid 18:06, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Oh dear God, I just watched that YouTube video. BRILLIANT! XD --Sid 18:22, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Anyone want to suggest an IRC channel without an obvious name to hash things out? Email me?--PalMD^-Talk 21:22, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Seriously, check out the whole "Look Around You" series. And if you can find it, the periodic table they use for the series is fall-down funny. --Kels 21:27, 22 May 2007 (CDT)

Jiminy Christmas in a padlocked sweatbox! That was absolutely hilarious! :D --AKjeldsen 03:45, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Yet another triumph for the BBC! This is a spoof of British schools televison programmes. ɱɑδ ɱ¡ɳ^{blow in my ear}/_{I did this!} 16:40, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Is it weird if it turns me on when you spell 'programs' like that? GodlessLiberal 18:59, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

I still hold to UK spelling in this context. I admitted defeat to "programs" in respect of computers several years ago. ɱɑδ ɱ¡ɳ^{blow in my ear}/_{I did this!} 15:17, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Score! Two points for the USA. GodlessLiberal 15:23, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Would like to propose a general policy on conservative editors...

...they should be welcomed. This site is about debate & challenge on neutral ground. I for one don't think we'd have much of a site if we didn't have people like HeartofGold (thanks again for joining!) willing to engage us. So... before the issue comes up, can we agree on this? -AmesG 00:07, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I agree with Ames that conservative editors should be welcomed so they do not feel discouraged to contribute to the discussions. --Staple^? 00:09, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Hurray! I think that's our major grievance with CP... insult, protect, block, dodge. I for one plan to block & protect as little as physically possible.-AmesG 00:12, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Agreed, so long as they do not attempt to change the whole perspective of our articles. Make the guideline say something like if you don't agree with the existing content of an article don't delete it, add a properly labeled dissident section. -Icewedge 00:16, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

RationalWiki:Proposed Guidelines friendly poke.

Presumably we have a policy of aiming for neutrality, and not one of deliberate bias like CP?--Bob_M (talk) 04:54, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

It'll be a case of making sure there isn't a situation of ganging up on, insulting, putting down and then blocking any conservative editors. I'd venture that it could be hard getting used to turned tables. Care should be advised initially if and when conservatives appear. Airdish 10:59, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Request for Schlafly Quotes

I've got something I'm cooking up, but I need the help of someone with a good memory (or at least good archive-diggin' skills). I need a number of Andy's choicest denials of reality, particularly where it comes to CP and how wonderfully it's doing. His ringing endorsements of Conservative would be nice, too. No need to clutter up this page with them, so if someone could start a new page, or drop them in a new section of User:Kels/sandbox, that would rock. I'd do the digging myself, but I need to go out in a few minutes, and I'd like to get started soon after I get back. Also, what would people say is Conservative's second-worst article, after Theory of Evolution? --Kels 07:41, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Spontaneous guesses: "Young Earth Creationism" (which should be a clone of ToE by now) or "Homosexuality" (even though I think he's not the only author there anymore). There may be worse, though. I haven't watched him closely. --Sid 11:07, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Hmm...I'm gonna have to check those out to see. YEC is a good candidate, I think. I have a brilliant inspiration (alternatively, a cunning plan, a la Baldric), and I need his two worst. ToE is obviously first, but I'm stumped on #2. --Kels 11:17, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

I would humbly suggest checking his contribs, and looking for something he has written on economics. The articles he creates that don't get fixed tend to be hilariously unclear. You might find one on a "less than arcane" topic. Also, this is hard work, but going through the changes on his talk page and seeing what he says can provide great, um, insight. And some good quotes. Examples: Eh, I'll go to your user page so as not to clutter this one, k? human^{be in} 12:11, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Good idea, although what I'm looking for right now are delusions about how wonderful Conservapedia is and how well it's doing, connected to the PZ Myers project. But I'm sure we could make use of just about anything that trips off his keyboard. --Kels 12:43, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Back in March, there was something on the frontpage, connected to Alexa. For a day or so, CP had been more popular than Rush Limbaugh's site (and two others). Almost right after the announcement, CP's daily Alexa rank fell like crazy.

Links: Andy's version and slight clarification by me. Click the Alexa link in my version and adjust the Range to "3m" to see the traffic development. --Sid 14:12, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Say, do you (or anyone) remember a specific point where he crowed about how well the site was growing, maybe with "Praise the Lord" attached or something? Probably on the main page, I'm busy going through his huge talk archives first. --Kels 14:21, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Check out the edit comments on the Template:AboutC history: things like "updated stats - SURPASSED 9000 ENTRIES!" and "updated stats - very strong growth and 10 MILLION PAGE VIEWS", and lots and lots of mention of "strong growth". Nothing specifically with "Praise the Lord" that I'm seeing, though. --jtl^talk 15:52, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Do you suppose that the 559,440 views of the Ultra Deep Field have been factored into the 11.5 million page view figure? --Huey gunna getcha 15:56, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

(<--) Okay, I went through the archives and got loads of good and amusing stuff, but I'm curious if anyone's got some good quotes of him praising Conservative or the ToE article specifically. I've already gone through Andy's and the Main Page's talk archives, so no need to bother with those areas. --Kels 17:17, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

The only thing I can remember is a bit at the top of Conservative's talk page:

By the way, Theory of Evolution ranks number 3 in our most-visited pages, after the Main Page and Bias in Wikipedia. Well done!--Aschlafly 00:17, 27 February 2007 (EST)

It's also significant that the reason why Conservative was made sysop in the first place was so that he could "implement [his] propositions to The Theory of Evolution page". --AKjeldsen 17:30, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Okay, I got that one already. Just wondering if anyone knew a few more that they'd seen here and there. Check out User:Kels/Schlaflyisms for the full list of what I extracted. I think I need a shower after wading through that sewer. =P --Kels 17:36, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

While I'm at it, related to this, does anyone know of any other pics of Andy, aside from that godawful one with the Howdy Doody grin? I'll go with what I got if I must, but it would be nice to have something more. --Kels 19:49, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

Andy's "LOL" grin cracks me up every time. XD I think he also uploaded another picture on CP... ah, there it is. And you could make screencaps of YouTube videos. I at least saw one with him... there we go! --Sid 12:15, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Sounds like a nice project, but with the amount of nonsense he spews, this will be a very long page--Franklin 07:42, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Seriously. I limited it to just his delusions about the wiki itself, and it's already a long page. --Kels 07:49, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

UXB request

I know this is trivial, but would whoever created "Template:User long knives" build it again? With that awesome bloody knife image? My user page misses it. Thanks! human^{be in} 12:08, 23 May 2007 (CDT)

It's back, as "blunt knife" human^{be in} 12:27, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Articles

I know this is early days guys, and the there isn't a 90/10 rule, but is anyone actually going to write any articles? I have deliberately decided NOT to apply for SySop, simply because there are already too many chiefs and not enough indians. If this is to be a credible enterprise, some stuff needs writing.--CatWatcher 11:51, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Well, I did write one article Godwin's Law, does that count?! ; ) I'm trying to get a feel for the sort of articles this wiki needs/wants really. Trashbat 11:59, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I personally liked that article. I also like the idea of having crank/crackpot ideas to explore here. I remember a huge debate about the Geocentric Theory raging on CP, when RSchlafly locked the page; there are some interesting arguments about that which actually need to be explored - for example, it is entirely possible to "explain" the world in terms of a stationary earth. However, you would have to be really perverse, stupid or pig-headed to actually do it. I started to research a "serious" article for CP about flat earth, based on the Science of Discworld; that is, putting forward all the reasons why it might be true, and as it was CP, tying it into Biblical texts. It was an attempt to stretch the notion of biblical literalism to the extreme and create a reductio ad absurdum. --CatWatcher 12:07, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I've posted a few...we obviously need more authors and contributions. It may take a little time before hitting the RANDOM button does something useful, so tell everyone you know.--PalMD^-Talk 12:12, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Hey, I've contributed to Reparative Therapy of Homosexuality and started bisexuality. I was thinking of tossing up a stub for gender expression tonight, and maybe start thinking of something for an article on paganism today or tomorrow. And I'm working on that pic for the PZ Myers thing, I haven't forgotten! ==Kels 21:30, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I want just a little something on goats.DocSock 22:05, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

I'd post the link, but I'm sure that's your homepage already, ya perv. --Kels 22:07, 24 May 2007 (CDT)

Holy Crap!

CP has fallen off Alexa! Check the 7-day rankings, even on traffic it's gone. [1]

That's weird, as in, the one month still shows them "on the graph" up to the present. But here's the felling blow that will befall them soon - it won't be long before that peak from the blogs moves into the "3 months ago" position and starts making their "change" stats miserable. But you know what they will do when Alexa no longer serves their egos purposes? Stop looking at it. human^{be in} 03:22, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

I predict there will be numerous allegations of Liberal Infiltration directed at Alexa at that point. --AKjeldsen 04:35, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

Apropos of nothing, but isn't that Batman on the left side of the 3m pageviews? --Kels 09:16, 25 May 2007 (CDT)

At first, I thought of it more as a seriously distorted head-and-shoulders stock price pattern, but you're right - it does look more like a Batman pattern. That has got to mean something. --AKjeldsen 18:58, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

What's the deal…

with this? ----Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 08:14, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

According to their FAQ:

Q: Are you guys related to Phyllis Schlafly?

A: Phyllis Schlafly is Tom Schlafly's aunt. She is the widow of Fred Schlafly, Tom's father's brother. She is not involved in the business.

Silly trivia knowledge for the win :P --Sid 11:12, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Suggestion

When you add something about the batshit craziness you've found, how 'bout we make it standard practice to start an article to refute it? For example, the heliocentrism == atheism thing just went up, so that behooves us to start articles on heliocentrism vs. geocentrism, doesn't it? --Kels 20:28, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

You are absolutely right, bootch. loves to ya. Is that friggin' homework? You're worse than Ed Peur! Time to git 'er done. human^{be in} 21:21, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Where's yer damn writing plan? --Kels 21:57, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

I'm all for it: let's refute the crap out of them! MiddleMan

Yes, lets do it. And I love Kels...She's the best!!! I want her to be the high priestess of my new cult--PalMD^{-רפאל ליפשון} 21:55, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

My lifelong dream! --Kels 21:58, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

My cult also has goats, but don't be jealous--PalMD^{-רפאל ליפשון} 22:00, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

That's fine, you won't be after me for "favours" then. --Kels 22:02, 26 May 2007 (CDT)

Who we are and what we do

I've put up a post at the forum that I'd like everyone to have a look at and comment on. It's basically what I see as the best way forward for us, based on our activity so far. I can import it here as an article if people like, but since it's already written there, you might as well just follow the link. --Kels 09:12, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Since not all of us are on the forum yet, I decided to make an essay version as well. It's over at Essay:A Possible Direction for RationalWiki if you're interested. --Kels 13:17, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Looking for Feedback

I just uploaded an image here, can folks go have a look and let me know what you think? --Kels 16:16, 27 May 2007 (CDT)

Problem

Your article on Andrew Schlafly does not help your cause.Bohdan 15:09, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

It seems a little irrational.Bohdan 15:11, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

And it hurts your credibility.Bohdan 15:14, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Well, now, that article was created by a number of trustworthy users, including several Sysops. As a Conservapedia member, you must agree with the Divine Inerrancy of Sysops, and thus, if you disagree with the content of the Andrew Schlafly article, you should start separate articles on each to describe why they may be untrustworthy, as per your own fellow Conservapedia Sysop's precedent here. --Kels 15:14, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Hey, Cool

Looks like RobS is publically recognizing our existence now. Way to go, Rob! --Kels 10:29, 29 May 2007 (CDT)

Radiometric Dating

It turns out we don't have anything on radiometric dating, would anyone be interested in making a "Category:Radiometric dating methods", and articles about Carbon-dating, Potassium-Argon-dating and the likes? MiddleMan

I know there's a chemist lurking around here somewhere. It would sure save me from having to do the research and brush up on it.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 19:29, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

I... um... took my 11th grade chemistry final yesterday. Does that make me a chemist? GodlessLiberal 19:32, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

You're not a real chemist unless you can mix your own LSD. --Kels 19:43, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

How about a category of all dating procedures? Making it radiometric only leaves out a bunch of commonly used methods like optically stimulated light, thermoluminescence, and electron something or other. I have alot of experience in using different dating methods used in archaeology, so I can help in general applications, techniques, and methodology. Beyond any of the basic (and I mean basic) chemistry I am pretty much useless though.Prof0705 20:27, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Internet dating, speed dating, blind dating, and assfly's favorite, playground dating. And tree rings, ice layers, sediment layers, and don't forget counting generations in the bible! human^{be in} 20:57, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

A category of all dating procedures (including an overview of how together they kick the crap out of YEC) + an article on each method, that would be nice. MiddleMan

How about a category for absolute dating procedures, and one for relative dating procedures? Typically, you have to use a mix of the two to get the best results. Is there a way to put both of those under a blanket "dating methods" category?Prof0705 07:06, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

New Slogan

Anyone see this?

"Hot. Science. RationalWiki." should TOTALLY be our new slogan. And it seems that Andy wanted to check if "rationalwiki" is on the spam blacklist, possibly following up on the various censoring actions against the site URL.</theory> --Sid 17:25, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

That is so cool. And the screen shot can be our logo? Better than... "tub girl", anyway. Tub girl? Do people know what ashfly is typing in his spare time??? Has anyone checked their "word" blacklist to see if RW is on it? human^{be in} 19:20, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Or just, Hot science (top), Rationalwiki (bottom), no ashfly ref. I like it!--PalMD^{-yada yada} 19:27, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Did you check the link, Doc? That's why I added the sig line. Even better, follow the diffs. How about "Lemon party... tub girl... RationalWiki"? What was that boy thinking? human^{be in} 19:33, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

yeah, I'm good on the version without Assfly's name on it. Kinda like having "hot" at the top, and "anti-hot" at the bottom. --Kels 19:41, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Ok, outvoted...i can live with it. BANHAMMER ON BOTH OF YOU!!! Oh, wait, im not a sysop.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 19:43, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

I'll do it in your name. GodlessLiberal 19:44, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Thank you...i have a friend who can get you a nice goat for that...when he's done with it.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 19:49, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

Used goatses... even better! GodlessLiberal 19:51, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

The "Hot. Science." parts didn't actually come from Andy, I think... not sure, but I vaguely recall that they were put there by Ed or so... --Sid 19:45, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

I don't care if he didn't type them, he left them. he also friggin typed "Lemon party" and "tub girl" before typing "rationalwiki". Picture that. Doesn't that strike you as a bit.... odd? Even for him? I'm gonna make another ruined RW logo for that... human^{be in} 22:23, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

to do list

Do we still have a "to do" list of articles that need writing?--PalMD^{-yada yada} 19:59, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

If in doubt, check Special:Wantedpages ;) --Sid 20:44, 30 May 2007 (CDT)

"No user is unwelcome!" But that doesn't mean you won't be mocked.75.62.26.189 07:51, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

New Blogs 4 Brownback material

Outtake from their latest "science" post:

"The liberal treefrogs would have you believe that this isn’t a hoax:

Two Russian cosmonauts climbed out of the international space station Wednesday to install protective panels designed to shield the orbiting outpost from dangerous space debris.

Even without access to a complete description of the alleged “incident”, we can use the biased CNN moonbatty summary to see through this concocted occurrence. Space, as we know, is either ether (rendering space flight impossible), or it is empty. If it is empty, why would it have debris in it? Moreover, if empty, why wouldn’t the planets rip themselves apart to fill this void? Nature abhors nothing more than a vacuum. Already, at paragraph one, the lies and inconsistencies in this story evanesce.

Let’s read on:

Commander Fyodor Yurchikhin and flight engineer Oleg Kotov opened a hatch on the Russian side of the space station at 3:05 p.m. ET. The spacewalk ended about 5½ hours later.

Russia, which can’t even hold Chechnya and which only abandoned Communist ludditism 16 years ago, has people in outer space. Yes. You’re actually supposed to believe that."

And then there's the stuff about the 13-year old disproving evolution, I could go on and on, but my point is, parody or not, these guys deserve a place on the main page for all their hard work! MiddleMan

How about an article titled "our favorite links" or something like that? With a brief description of why? human^{be in} 11:15, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Right, we could put B4B, CP, AiG, etc... in the article! MiddleMan

Yeah - how about sections: "Loonies", "Parody" (B4B, include IPU, FSM), "Seriously" (TO, Dawkins, Randi, etc.). I didn't really think the headings through, but you see my point... human^{be in} 11:24, 31 May 2007 (CDT)

Funny

Check out these vids:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ZhuJamOkw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYXii7mg1NU&NR=1

MiddleMan 13:57, 4 June 2007 (CDT)

Another one: http://www.divine-interventions.com/index2.php MiddleMan 11:05, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

That one's slightly NSFW, but still funny. Jrssr5 12:04, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

A bit of vandalism

Hey, our first large-scale vandal, I think: [2] [3]. And interesting vandalism, too. Seems like excerpts from Orwell's 1984 in Serbian. --AKjeldsen 07:02, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Must be a Conservative. They prefer Serbian. Auld Nick 07:13, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Hey, vandal! Do you take requests? Could we get some Dostojevsky instead? Or Tolstoy, maybe? --AKjeldsen 07:24, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Is someone gonna block this fucker, or what? Spica 07:38, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

No, all our sysop belong to him!!!!

Maybe Bohdan can read that stuff?--PalMD^{-yada yada} 08:27, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Probably. The second thing he posted was the Iliad in Russian. --AKjeldsen 08:35, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

Ok, that's probably all I want to know. Just wanted to make sure it wasn't some racist rant in cyrilic.DocSock 08:36, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

216.139.65.46 - there are only two exclamation marks after belong to ... . Please get your memes right. Are you doing requests for major literary works/large-scale historical epics, as AKjeldsen discussed above? Epic of Gilgamesh/Biblical book of Kings would be nice. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!}

A whois of this IP shows that it comes from Reno, Nevada. Anyone know who else lives in Reno besides RW's favorite CP sysop? Of course it could be some anon proxy server. ^{Babel fish}ÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†_{Now look here!} 11:33, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

I dunno. I'm not sure how proficient he is with memes. Still, the fact that he said that all our sysop are belong to us!! (mistakes in bold) suggest that it might be from this. l33t sl4shd0ttaz would not include such basic errors. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!}

Baseball

If you like baseball, or you're from Detroit, you might want to check out the new baseball article on CP. It's actually well-written and informative.DocSock 13:11, 5 June 2007 (CDT)

It's gone, TK, "fixed" it. Try here. human^{be in} 11:44, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

I don't get it. (I'm not from round here.) αιρδισΗ^ταλκ 11:49, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

The contributor is gone, too. DanH blocked him with no explanation. I guess 90/10? That was his only non-talk page contribution. GodlessLiberal 12:36, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

I don't know anything about baseball, but the article looked like it matched other net info on the guy. Deleted and banned just cuz someone at RW liked it? --jtl^talk 13:54, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

It wasn't similar (at least not originally). Without bothering to look at the diffs the CP version said he only played minor league ball when in reality he played 11 years in the pros. There was some other liberal deceit in the article too, subtle enough to make it seem legit, but horribly wrong. Jrssr5 14:18, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Approved Plagarism

Andy is now condoning copying off websites. I'm no lawyer (although I bet I could take Andy down in court) but this seems just a bit wrong. Jrssr5 15:31, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Even if he's right on the copyright issue, he's explicitly contradicting commandment 1 (don't copy) and by example contradicting commandment 2 (cite your sources, even if public domain). --jtl^talk 15:53, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Added irony: Andy made a big fuss about WP copying from a public domain version of the Encyclopedia Britannica (see cp:Talk:Wikipedia#Whining?):

[...] Moreover, is copying OK to "kickstart" a project? No, of course not, especially when attribution is not prominently given for such wholesale copying. [...]

Andy doesn't really seem to know what he wants. "Copying from Public Domain sources is bad! Unless we do it!" --Sid 16:07, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

Shiny, Shiny

Not only did CP trumpet being mocked on an unknown website as a victory, it linked to a site that adversited, shall we say, "adult toys." Not what you expect from a family friendly site, eh?--Franklin 19:53, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

Then the question if there such good christians why would they be on such a site in the first place? -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 20:49, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

It's even funnier to watch them try to defend their slip up of linking to the article. Even funnier is Andy's interpretation of "public outcry." Maybe 2 comments defending CP the rest tearing it apart. CP isn't deceitful, just moronic. Jrssr5 21:20, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

Does anyone know why RobS got de-sysoped? It was 2.5 hours after he "came out" on shinyshiny... GodlessLiberal 01:03, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

I couldn't find that, but consider that "Assfly" and "rash-fly" both posted there too. I suspect TK power play shenanigans. Woo hoo. human^{be in} 01:19, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

That would be awesome. TK is so much cooler than Rob. GodlessLiberal 11:11, 9 June 2007 (CDT)

I was the poster who 'came out' for RobS. I just couldn't resist. Right after I had posted it, and then socked in a nice shocked reaction to it on CP, RobS went into a flurry of frantice offline activity with all the other sysops - "Email me!" "Check your email!" and the like. Then his account was deauthorised and the next day he was talking about his account having been compromised. Poor idiot thought I'd hacked his CP acocunt.... Hurray for coming out of the closet RobS! Doggedpersistance 21:53, 13 June 2007 (CDT)

Waitaminute. You post under his name on an entirely different site... and then he thinks that his account on CP has been compromised? He can't possibly be that clueless, can he? --AKjeldsen 04:26, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

<-- You're kidding right? This is the same guy who makes up phrases on CP because they sound pretty in his head. He's about as clueless as they come and as tech-savy as the rest of the CP sysops. Jrssr5 08:03, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

Alex Beam column on CP

I'm thinking of writing a sort of side-by-side on this one, but I wanted to point out to those who would have no way of knowing, Mr. Beam is pretty much a semi-humorous columnist. I'm sure he's got reporter creds, but he doesn't write at the Globe as a "reporter". One of his occasional personas is "Mr. Fussy". And CP takes it seriously. And, maybe we should make a master list of every slightly reasonable "CP" mention in the various media? You know, conservapedia:In the media? Followed with their inane comments where applicable... human^{be in} 21:08, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

The CP in the Meeja idea deserves following up. God's peed ^{Babel fish}ÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†_{Now look here!} 12:55, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

Citizen Schlafly

Well, I tried my best. The image is over here, let me know what you think of it. I'm not happy with it, but that's not going to make it any better, so I might as well release it for everyone's use. --Kels 12:06, 10 June 2007 (CDT)

I like it, personally. But, of course, disagreeing with the Art Director over art is a blockable offense. ----Linus^{(plot evil tech)} 13:22, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

Well, your art director tends to be down on her own skillz. Comes with the territory. --Kels 13:28, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

Coincidence??

From today's Baltimore Sun crossword puzzle ... 55 down: Scheming Group. Answer: Cabal. Liberal deceit has spread! Jrssr5 12:10, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

You just HAVE to get that to RobS and Karajou!--PalMD^{-yada yada} 12:28, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

Oh, I'm sure they obsessively read every word we post. Gotta watch them self-proclaimed watchdogs, y'know. --Kels 12:30, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

SEE IT BEFORE IT GOES - Update: Gone, but documented

June 14: Check #18 - And "Orphaned Pages" is directly linked to from the Recent Changes...

June 16: And the #1 entry is...

ANAL SEX IS FUN - proof that some sysops really need a manual (preferably one with many pictures).

Here is the log. Everything happened in the same minute, but I ordered the events chronologically (top-most line happened first):

• 02:26, 14 June 2007 RobS (Talk | contribs) protected "ANAL SEX IS FUN" (delete [edit=sysop:move=sysop])
• 02:26, 14 June 2007 RobS (Talk | contribs) deleted "ANAL SEX IS FUN" (content was: '{{speedy}}')
• (cur) (last) 02:26, 14 June 2007 RobS (Talk | contribs) (delete)

Result: An unprotected page that contains "{{deleted page}}" (not the redirect), resulting in an entry in the "Orphaned Pages" list. The page has been fixed by SimonA, but it's still unprotected. I vote to give Simon Rob's sysopship - he seems to actually have a clue how to handle stuff. --Sid 15:54, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

it just got replaced LMAO[4] 216.67.46.145 16:02, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

OMG that is AWESOME!!! ʄĹїþþїɲ^;-) 16:10, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

It's not just fun, it's UBER FUN!! --Kels 16:18, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

In case that Rob actually reads this: The procedure should be:

1. Delete the page
2. Recreate it with a redirect to "Conservapedia:Deleted and Protected" (redirecting to the Template, like Simon did, creates a Double Redirect and should be fixed to redirect at the proper page, but it at least takes the article off the lists like Orphaned Pages for the moment)
3. Lock the redirecting page

Oh, and Rob, while you're at it: Also take care of cp:ANAL SEX IS UBER FUN (found via the Double Redirect page since it also got quasi-fixed by Simon - Simon, if you read this, you might want to do the double redirect fix for brownie points) (Edit: Got into an edit conflict with Kels, so this is old news by now) --Sid 16:23, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

That vandal is brilliant! -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 15:50, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

It's not the vandal that's brilliant. It's the sysops who fail at the entire "How to properly erase these pages" gig. New screencap added, btw. The number 1 entry (as of right now) is there thanks to Niandra transcluding CP:Deletedpage and then locking the article. --Sid 07:36, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Nothing gets by them

God, this is just stupid poor Bob ʄĹїþþїɲ^;-) 16:27, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

SAGAT!

Seems there's an objector....Doggedpersistance 16:31, 14 June 2007 (CDT)

Daily Bible verse

I think we should have a daily bible verse on the front page.

Go out to the flock and bring me two choice young goats, so I can prepare some tasty food for your father, just the way he likes it. Genesis 27:9 --¿ Sta’le ? 00:34, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

That's what I thought as soon as I saw your edit summary (not goats!). We should have one. But who will be in charge of updating every day? Maybe it should be weekly. "Our favorite weakly Bible verse" human^{be in} 00:43, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

It isn't that hard to make it daily. Someone has to find a whole bunch of good verses one day and put it on a list. Then all you have to do is find a verse on the list and put it on the main page. --¿ Sta’le ? 00:49, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

Do I hear a volunteer? It sounds so easy, even a caveman could do it! human^{be in} 00:55, 15 June 2007 (CDT)

Don't put a time-frame on it. But quotes should be up for at least a day and there should be archive page. God's peed ^{Babel fish}ÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†_{Now look here!} 06:31, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Something from the Song of Solomon might go down well to lighten the mood.--Bob_M (talk) 06:44, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Here we go. prefect. Song of Solomon chapter 4 verse 1.How beautiful you are, my darling! Oh, how beautiful! Your eyes behind your veil are doves. Your hair is like a flock of goats descending from Mount Gilead. Seriously. I knew there was a goat quote in there.--Bob_M (talk) 06:48, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Biblegoats listed for your convenience: http://bouncinghoofs.com/goatscripturelist.html --AKjeldsen 17:03, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Let's put them on a template like the "according to" one. People can add them in the "no include" section, and perhaps one or two people can be responsible for rotating them in and out of the "live" section? And, yes, the timing doesn't matter, although they should last at least a day, I agree. Now for a heading, if it isn't "daily bible quotes" - how about "rational biblicisms" or "your daily dose of biblical quote mining" or just "quote mining the bible" or.... ideas? I think I have just barely enough technical ability to set it up once you guys come up with some brilliant consensus. human^{be in} 17:49, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

I created Template:RationalWiki MainPage/BibleVerse to store them and serve them up. I think between "according to some people" and "featured content" would be a nice place for it. Now I merely await a brilliant title for the section! By the way, is "song of solomon" a book or a section of one (too lazy to look it up, human?) human^{be in} 17:57, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

May you rot in hell for your lack of biblical knowledge. Philistine! It's the book which comes after Ecclesiastes and before Isaiah. It's also famous for having more mentions of "breasts" than any other book in the bible. It's surprisingly hot.--Bob_M (talk) 14:22, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

Ill get it included in the main page. -Ĭ₠ŴΣĐĝё 18:00, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

Cool, thanks. I had the template opne, but closed it. I'm too lazy to dig it out again, can you a quick pro forma title for me? "La Bibliotheque" Until someone gets hit by lightning here. human^{be in} 19:07, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

I threw that title up there for now. human^{be in} 20:09, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

I just randomly wandered into a really bad pun about urinary tracts over at Arthur Dent's talk page. If gods pee made the great flood, then the book describing it would be a urinary tract. New title idea: "God's Peed: Tales From the Urinary Tract" I like the vague play on Unitarian, too. But, of course I think it is funny, since it's mine. Any takers? human^{be in} 13:57, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

Hey, don't I get any credit for providing the seminal fluid for this? God's peed ^{Babel fish}ÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†_{Now look here!} 14:00, 17 June 2007 (CDT)

I mentioned where the random accident occurred, didn't I, Mr. Dent? Did I need to be more specific? I didn't mean to pretend it was all my work, after all, if I had understood the past tense contraction, it never would have happened. human^{be in} 16:10, 17 June 2007 (CDT)