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I made it to the top. I knew my brother loved me. JSCHLAFLY 08:15, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Liberal Bias

I have been reading though several of your pages and have been noticing an anti christen and anti conservative bias. What gives? GodBlessAmerica 18:13, 11 November 2007 (EST)

And an anti-poor-spelling bias too, but what can you do? PFoster 18:17, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Well, i understand the anti-poor-spelling bias, but what about the extreme liberal bias? GodBlessAmerica 18:19, 11 November 2007 (EST)

I like to think of it as a "critical thinking" bias. PFoster 18:21, 11 November 2007 (EST)

It's well-known that the facts have a Liberal Agenda. Or, more accurately, the lunatic-fringe right-wingers have an anti-fact agenda. Since this place tries to have a pro-fact agenda... well, I think you can figure the rest out yourself. --Gulik 18:31, 11 November 2007 (EST)

By my standards RW's fairly middle of the road politics wise. Susan_{... purrrrrr ...} 18:35, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Ha ha ha ha that's funny. I can't speak for the politics of the UK, but this place ain't middle of the road in the USA. Lurker 21:25, 11 November 2007 (EST)

If what you say is true then I guess that says a lot about the USA compared to a liberal democracy. :-) --Bob^{bing up} 14:39, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Sadly true--the current American political spectrum is distorted so far to the "Right" that people actually thought Bill Clinton was a "Liberal". --SockOfGulik 14:14, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Well, as stated often all over this site the UK Conservative party would probably be considered almost communuist by CP standards. Susan_{... purrrrrr ...} 21:48, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Strange, I always considered myself a staunch right wing booster...... Maybe I'm mixing my left and right again SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 18:58, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Hold your hands out in front of you with the thumbs extended. Whichever one makes an "L" can be used to bitchslap your opponent.--PalMD^{-If it looks like a donut, eat it} 21:17, 11 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks For clearing that up for me..... I remember now, the right hand is the one holding the bible and the left hand is the one holding the beer SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 14:31, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Mostly likely the guy who the comment that started this thread was a troll just looking to stir up trouble ( I suspect the poor spelling was intentional.) Pay him no heed. ^{— Unsigned, by: 129.78.64.102 / talk / contribs}

Sorry its kinda to late, its been 10 days now. 12.75.66.237 20:13, 21 November 2007 (EST)

I have something to admint

I ARE A MASSIVE FAGGOT. ElassintImpersonator 11:52, 13 November 2007 (EST)

You lose. Anyone with a brain the size of a turtle can tell that your not really me. Elassint Throw things at me

Shall I? VirileSterile^yawn! 11:56, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Sure. Elassint Throw things at me

While I'm normally against premanent blocks, I think they should be used for impersonations such as this. In one week the Elassint clone could return and cause some annoying confusion (or could, if he actually had the capacity to do something clever rather than the moronic "I am a faggot" posts). What do you think? DickTurpis 12:06, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Hes renamed, nothing to worry about. Elassint Throw things at me

Ah. Good. Now is a renmaing something a non-sysop can't undo? DickTurpis 12:21, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I believe it takes the supermightypowerz of a crat to rename an account. No mere sysops have the worthiness to think about attempting such.CЯacke® 12:24, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Wow. Suddenly I'm stricken with crat envy. DickTurpis 12:25, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Remember to do something with the "old" name - if it is deleted it can be recreated. Block it for a month or year or two is best. human 14:45, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Anybody see this?

Former U.S. Representative turned comedian Tom Delay gets big laughs in his first stand-up routine at Oxford University. --Edgerunner⁷⁶ 15:21, 13 November 2007 (EST)

I hope he understands just how much he is helping his opposition. Wait, scratch that. I'm really glad he DOESN'T know how much he's helping us. I Eat Glue 15:38, 13 November 2007 (EST)

curved lumber link

The "curved lumber" story link is broken; anyone know where it should be leading to? VirileSterile^yawn!

The site blocks links to particular items so it should probably be removed. Susan_{... purrrrrr ...} 09:44, 14 November 2007 (EST)

It looks more like the result of some searching that depended on a cookie trail to work. Perhaps someone can go to the root there and dig it out again and find a better link? It sounds hilarious! human 14:41, 14 November 2007 (EST)

It specificly said you can't link to bookmarks when I tried. Susan_{... purrrrrr ...} 14:57, 14 November 2007 (EST)

The link goes to a news searching site. What we need is the place the article actually ran, if we can find it. Or delete the entry, of course. human 15:33, 14 November 2007 (EST)

I Found HoG!!!

He is challenging the big guns at Pandasthumb, lol.-- ^{I am the Alpha}TimS_{and the Omega!}. 15:45, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Only two comments in and HoG already mentions Hitler? Norseman^Wassail! 15:50, 14 November 2007 (EST)

HoG actualy used deceit and commie in a response to Stanton near the bottom of the page. Assfly and RobS really have influenced HoG. This kids is why you should not play with conservapedians, they inflate your mind with BS and cause anal leakage when you officaly turn into an ass. (there is a reference to HoG being an asshole towards the middle of the page).-- ^{I am the Alpha}TimS_{and the Omega!}. 16:08, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Wow. It's the loony HoG, too. Alphabet soup dropping, not talking about the topic at hand, and, of course, the utterly spurious appeal to Hitler. Who was, of course, a sensitive man, and liked cake as well. human 16:14, 14 November 2007 (EST)

I also understand that Hitler liked to partake in the simpler pleasures in life, like the innocence of adolescent males.-- ^{I am the Alpha}TimS_{and the Omega!}. 16:18, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Don't forget amphetamines...--PalMD^{-If it looks like a donut, eat it} 17:26, 14 November 2007 (EST)

VirileSterile^yawn! 17:31, 14 November 2007 (EST)

I especially like the bit where he finally just comes out and admits he's trolling, then shuts the hell up. --Kels 19:18, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Good Watching...

The Nova program that HoG mentioned (and complained about) can be seen on the PBS website. [1] My favorite part was the reenactment that included Behe admitting that under his definition of science, astrology would be classified as science. --Shagie 00:20, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, I'll have you ungrateful bastids know that I frontpaged that bitch. I haven't watched it yet, but the girlfriend & I plan to tomorrow. Glad to hear it kicks... also, I heard that Behe's admission is less damning than one might expect, and apparently less damning than herein represented. A friend of mine is writing his A paper (law school thing) on ID, and read all 300+ pages of the testimony at Kitzmiller by Behe. Apparently he said that astrology could be phrased as a scientific hypothesis, that could be explicated by evidence: not that the conclusion of astrology is science per se. Nit-picky? Yes.-αmεσ (tinker) 00:28, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Link to his legendary cross is here. Ctrl-F for "astrology." Note that unnamed NYU Law student, not me, is to credit for this discovery and refinement of what Behe's trying to say.-αmεσ (tinker) 00:34, 15 November 2007 (EST)

I think the point is that Behe's definition of what a theory is is sufficiently broad to encompass astrology as a theory; but that the definition given by US National Academy of Sciences would exclude it. Consequently he is using a personalized or non-scientific meaning for "theory" which allows him to classify both ID and astrology as theories.see here for new scientist's take. --Bob^{bing up} 06:47, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Anyway, I've added something to our Michael Behe article and raised a question about definitions in Talk:Theory.--Bob^{bing up} 07:07, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Just finished watching it--it rockz. Makes me curious about that Bad Frog beer they mentioned in Judge Jones' career story. Yes, I'm an alcoholic.--Bayes^update 03:29, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Interesting link

Does this remind you of anyone? DickTurpis 21:31, 15 November 2007 (EST)

massive page moves etc.

I don't know where the best place to whine about this is, but an awful lot of things seem to be getting moved around today, with little or no discussion, and sometimes little or no palpable reason (cf: Behe: The Edge of Evolution, Interview moved to Behe:The Edge of Evolution, Interview, which removes a space from the title. Can we discuss this before finding that everything we knew the names of has been moved? human 21:37, 15 November 2007 (EST)

Assassin's Creed

Anybody else play this game yet? It's a great game for a new outing into a slightly different sub-genre of steath games. I found it interesting that the game opens with a disclaimer. It mentions that the game is based on historical events (the Third Crusade), but that it was created by a multicultural team of various faiths, background, etc. This is obviously meant to ease the fact that your main purpose in the game is to kill crusaders/Christians. --Edgerunner⁷⁶ 10:23, 16 November 2007 (EST)

I ain't heard of it...is it on Colecovision?~~ Ol' Fart 10:54, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Will it run on my Sinclair (Timex) Z80? Susan_{... purrrrrr ...} 11:22, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Will it run on my windows 3.1? 98.17.56.235 11:24, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Show off! CЯacke®

Can i play it online with my NCSA Mosiac web browser? Elassint Throw things at me 11:44, 16 November 2007 (EST)

MSDOS anyone? Susan_{... purrrrrr ...} 11:54, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Good times, good times. But all things considered, I prefer Windows XP. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 12:03, 16 November 2007 (EST)

CARDIAC? human 12:06, 16 November 2007 (EST)

GEM --Kels 10:40, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Will this game play on ma old horse wagon? Elassint Throw things at me 12:06, 16 November 2007 (EST)

You might need to upgrade the wheels from 4 to 8 (if you haven't already, get with the technology!) to run it satisfactorily. human 13:10, 16 November 2007 (EST)

What about my Amiga? Totnesmartin 13:26, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Or my Commodore 64? Susan_{... purrrrrr ...} 13:29, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Good Gravy! Somebody call the Science Museum! Totnesmartin 13:31, 16 November 2007 (EST)

I live in cave. I have stone. Stone work? Caveman 13:33, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Ha! You not got fire? (Laughs derisively) Susan^{... miaow ...} 13:37, 16 November 2007 (EST)

I burned my Osbourne. human 13:46, 16 November 2007 (EST)

My boyfriend's brother rented the game, he says it looks pretty good. I had a look at the WP article about it, and it seems to be pretty sympathetic to the Muslims, and your targets seem to largely be corrupt governors who took over various areas while the main battles of the crusade are going on elsewhere. Strange we haven't had the usual hue and cry from the Right Wing Noise Machine about it, or at least Jack Thompson's usual idiocy. --Kels 08:28, 17 November 2007 (EST)

I finished the story. It's very atheistic and anti-Abrahamic. I loved it. I'd also love to get Assfly's take on it. --Edgerunner⁷⁶ 21:10, 18 November 2007 (EST)

WTF?

Talk about putting the fox in charge of the henhouse. [2]. DickTurpis 11:37, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Wikipedia is doomed!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Elassint Throw things at me 11:38, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Put it in WIGO? Susan_{... purrrrrr ...} 11:46, 16 November 2007 (EST)

We have a WIGOwikipedia page? CЯacke® 12:09, 16 November 2007 (EST)

Not that it matters, but Ed Poor isn't Jewish by any chance, is he? He says "we Jews" here. This would sort of shatter my notion of him as a fundamentalist Christian blowhard. DickTurpis 10:17, 17 November 2007 (EST)

I can't remember where, but didn't Ed say at one point he was a Moonie? --Kels 10:33, 17 November 2007 (EST)

AKA, LDM, Latter Day Messiahs. The term "messianic Jew" doesn't have to mean a Jewish convert to Christianity, only that they believe Mashiach has come. Perhaps Ed Poor was referring himself via to a passage in the bible, Rom: 2:29 (KJV) But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.TTR 11:05, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Oh man, I love the Latter Day Saints! The best part is where Willem Dafoe dresses up as...oh, wait...wrong Saints. --Kels 18:22, 17 November 2007 (EST)

Global warming hoax

Great story on the bacteria-causing global warming. It's just a shame word got out before CP put it on their front page. DickTurpis 18:52, 19 November 2007 (EST)

So what are you guys doing for Conservapedia's birthday?

What presents are you getting them? Have you organized a surprise party? 65.99.196.69 17:34, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Well, there's this... Totnesmartin 17:42, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Let's not forget these. DickTurpis 17:49, 20 November 2007 (EST)

I think you should get them something nice because without them, Rationalwiki wouldn't exist!!! 65.99.196.69 18:22, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Well, I am about to email Andy and remind him. I put some balloons on conservapedia:timeline to start the decorating. We plan of having plentious quantites of Hoji' Goat Pilaf on hand, as well as bathtubs full of Kool-Aid Martinis. Perhaps we should congregate at conservapedia:first anniversary party to celebrate with funny hats and noisemakers? I haven't had this much fun since the Red Sox starting making winning a habit! human 19:17, 20 November 2007 (EST)

Let's all chip in and get Andy one of these. GrandSoviet 10:36, 21 November 2007 (EST)

Front Page Layout issues

Okay, first of all the notice board really gets no use and serves little purpose, and second of all there is a column balance issue with the according to when they get longer. Any of the layout aesthetic gurus want to try playing with the layout of the front page to maybe nix the notice board and balance out the layout? tmtoulouse ^nettle 12:25, 21 November 2007 (EST)

How about moving FC to where the NB "was", and letting ATSP get a bit longer sometimes? (like 7 entries) human 14:39, 21 November 2007 (EST)

like this User:Human/sandbox human 15:28, 21 November 2007 (EST)

Gets my vote. tmtoulouse ^nettle 15:30, 21 November 2007 (EST)

Feel free to copy it over; though should we wait for more comments first? Or just "be blod"? human 15:37, 21 November 2007 (EST)

No hurry, lets give it a day or so to see what others say. tmtoulouse ^nettle 15:49, 21 November 2007 (EST)

I can dig it.--PalMD^{-If it looks like a donut, eat it} 17:42, 21 November 2007 (EST)

I like it, But I'm a criminal SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 18:36, 21 November 2007 (EST)

Venezuela?

who's in Venezuela? Susan^{... miaow ...} 18:09, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Rationalwiki.com users come from these countries:

Venezuela39.4% Ireland31.0% United States21.1% Canada2.8% Sweden1.4%

Interesting. --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 18:14, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Damn... Ol' Chavez is monitoring us again. --Ζωροάστρης 18:14, 22 November 2007 (EST)

.*Raises hand* NightFlare 18:26, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Do not, I repeat do not let RobS see this.......it will totally blow our cover. tmtoulouse ^nettle 18:27, 22 November 2007 (EST)

What? Does this mean there's only like... two Canadians here? Ouch, my national pride... friggin' Venezuelans care more than we do! Uchiha 19:55, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Well, us Brits are non-existsant! Susan^{... miaow ...} 20:16, 22 November 2007 (EST)

My comic got a lot of Russian Federation folks, but they were probably proxies hosted there than actual Russian nationals. --Kels 20:33, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Aye, Kels has the right of it..........there is a disproportionate number of individuals that ummm use "proxies" to access our site for various reasons.....these are probably the proxy IPs. tmtoulouse ^nettle 20:48, 22 November 2007 (EST)

I thought of that, CP also has a lot of Venezuelan visitors too. Susan^{... miaow ...} 21:02, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Then again apparently we do appeal to a multi-lingual base [3]. tmtoulouse ^nettle 23:54, 22 November 2007 (EST)

It could be me, I have no idea which country I am in at the moment. Genghis Khant 17:35, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Latest figures: Venezuela 37.7%, Ireland 28.6%, United States 22.1%, Sweden 2.6%, Canada 2.6%, Mexico2.6%, United Kingdom 1.3%, Australia 1.3%, Belgium 1.3%

It looks the UK is tying with Belgium ! Genghis Khant 17:41, 23 November 2007 (EST)

United Kingdom 1.3%, Australia 1.3%, Belgium 1.3% Seems to be a 3-way battle. MMmmmm, three way. --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 17:46, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Well Alexa only includes a certain chunk of our stats here are the top results based on server logs:

Why does my country always end up on top? --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 17:51, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Username

I wasn't paying attention when i typed my username so it came out as "Love Gods Waycu" while my preferred username was "Love Gods Way". Can anyone please change it for me? Thanks. Love Gods Waycu 20:58, 22 November 2007 (EST)

Apparently this has been done. human 16:17, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Colors

I say we also change the main page colors. --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 16:01, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Best way to do that is copy the whole thing into a sandbox in your user space, and tweak it til you like it, then give us a link to comment on. What colors do you like to want? human 16:19, 23 November 2007 (EST)

I just think the current colors are ugly. --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 16:23, 23 November 2007 (EST)

New Front Page

Nice work, whoever is responsible. PFoster 16:10, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Yea, i like it. --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 16:11, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Can we move the featured content below the about RW section? - Icewedge 16:17, 23 November 2007 (EST)

I think trent just moved it above. I like it that way. But I'm not going to argue strenuously over it. human 16:18, 23 November 2007 (EST)

We can yea....but let's see what others thing. I prefer our featured content up higher. tmtoulouse ^nettle 16:19, 23 November 2007 (EST)

I'm with Ice on this one. I work with two monitors, it's nice as it is on the big one but on the regular-sized one I've got to scroll down to see the RW section, and I feel it should be more prominent. --Bob^{bing up} 16:21, 23 November 2007 (EST)

(edit conflict) I would like our featured content up higher too but right now our main page looks like a site map at first glance. - Icewedge 16:23, 23 November 2007 (EST)

RW1

What was rationalwiki one? --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 17:07, 23 November 2007 (EST)

When RationalWiki was first started it was a private wiki for sane editors at CP to vent about the idiocy and plot machinations. It was "discovered" by CP sysops and all members were banned from CP the same day. Since it was no longer secret, and there was no need to protect peoples identities anymore we nuked the "club house" wiki we had and started what you see now. RW 1.0 was totally random, no one paid any attention to namespace or anything. tmtoulouse ^nettle 17:14, 23 November 2007 (EST)

Is it still around? or is it buried under this site? Totnesmartin 11:43, 24 November 2007 (EST)

It's no longer "around" but there are several backup copies circulating. TK and Karajou both have one. tmtoulouse ^nettle 11:45, 24 November 2007 (EST)

CP editing still prevented

It's almost 15.30 CET (9.30 AM ET) and editing is still prevented? Do they sleep longer on week-ends? Editor at CP 09:29, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Alexa ranking

If anyone cares we finally broke the 100,000 rank mark on alexa [4]. tmtoulouse ^nettle 11:17, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Er no, not really. Why should I concern myself with such vanities (see Homophobic Style) Genghis Khant 11:25, 24 November 2007 (EST)

I'm not surprised, given Alexa's obvious liberal bias. PFoster 14:54, 24 November 2007 (EST)

English spelling

I think we should adopt an English spelling system to annoy conservatives. --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 13:19, 24 November 2007 (EST)

I prefer French personally. tmtoulouse ^nettle 13:22, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Canadian it is! --Kels 13:26, 24 November 2007 (EST)

:-D Uchiha 14:05, 24 November 2007 (EST)

...eh!

Und vat iss mit der Cherman rong? Anon 14:12, 24 November 2007 (EST)

I went to elementary school in a community called Dutch (Deutch) Settlement (German-founded, same way the "Pennsylvania Dutch" were German) and I'm German/Scots/British on my dad's side, so it's fine by me! --Kels 14:33, 24 November 2007 (EST)

I'd like to make a weak case for Franglais. Genghis Khant 16:12, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Whats Franglais? --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 16:14, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Franglais is French spoken by English people who don't know all the words either in ignorance or in jest. e.g. Donnez-moi le tomato ketchup, s'il vous plait' There was a long-running column in the (sometimes) humourous magazine Punch, written by Miles Kingston who also wrote a load of books on it, which included the Franglais Lieutenant's Woman if my memory serves me correctly.

Esperanto volo pisi ili for plej. --Jeεv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 16:25, 24 November 2007 (EST)

I used to have a client who was old Ottawa French. Which is to say half French, half English, and 2/3 of both was slang. Great fun, he always used to ask if I was embarrassed at taking care of a frog. XD --Kels 16:36, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Watching welsh TV is similarly fun. Welsh, being a stunted weed of a language, has no words for any of the more interesting neologisms, so it borrows them from English. My favourite ever sentence went a little like this: "blah blah blah hotpants, blah blah blah dirty weekend." --Jeεv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 16:52, 24 November 2007 (EST)

My grandmother used to say in Yinglish, "Bother-meir nischt!". I opened an abscess on a Welsh guy the other day. I offered him some good drugs for after, he said he preferred whiskey. I make some comment about too my "c, m, r, y's", etc. It's a good thing I was holding the knife.--PalMD^{-If it looks like a donut, eat it} 22:59, 24 November 2007 (EST)

I think we oughta give Ebonics a try.--Bayes^update 04:52, 25 November 2007 (EST)

Yer in Dem yer taak Dem ivery whip's 'n while, but they mump aids vurriners'l nort ketch vore't. Totnesmartin 07:35, 25 November 2007 (EST)

And I was going to suggest Welsh, but it appears to be the only language mentioned here that has brought out worries of who is armed or not. human 20:07, 26 November 2007 (EST) <-- born in a town with too few - or too many - vowels

I would vote for Cymraeg. Locke ^{Always Watching......} 20:13, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Rowr! Ici we chasse die Dragon! Hai!

Diolch yn Fawr Locke.--Bob^{bing up} 11:29, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Dui wo laishuo, zhongwen shi zui hao de yuyan. (Sorry, the computer I'm on right now can't do characters, might do that up right later.) Researcher 12:41, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Nej, nej, nej - det holder jo ikke en meter, det her! Ren babelsk forvirring! --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 12:53, 28 November 2007 (EST)

That's no dragon... that's a dinosaur! Sterile^{minichatroomthingy} 11:30, 28 November 2007 (EST)

TK Demoted

Here's a shocker: TK was just demoted - he now has no special rights. Has andy gone off his rocker?--Danielfolsom 00:41, 26 November 2007 (EST)

I noticed that. Just posted on WiGO talk to see if I was reading it correctly (as I have no idea what most of those things mean). So it is true then. Wait the fuck is going on? Has the first seal been broken? DickTurpis 00:52, 26 November 2007 (EST)

(I originally posted this in the WiGO talk page, but I think it's funny enough for another mention)

Sure, TK may have been demoted. But with Alltel, he can still change his wireless plan whenever he wants, without extending his contract! [5]. TK's gonna hurt somebody . . . - Master Bra'tac^Kree! 09:07, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Not even denying it...

“Instead, we think: ‘Here’s what the Bible says. Now let’s go to the rocks and see if we find the evidence for it.’ - John Whitmore, young-earth "geologist".

At least the ID proponents try to pretend otherwise... or is that actually worse? Uchiha 17:32, 26 November 2007 (EST)

I have to admit that this is the kind of article that royally pisses me off. The religious nuts are out trying to mold science around their POV instead of around evidence. The problem in the US is also the fact that so few people understand basic sciences enough to call these charlatans out on what they are doing. For example I was on a board yesterday that was talking about vaccines. A person wrote the following on the board: "As a doctor and well know TV radio and internet natural health expert. My firmly researched answer is flu shots are not safe or effective. No.1 the shot you get this year will only cover last years strains nothing new. And no shots protect against H5N1 or MRSA. No.2 the ingredients in the shots can contain rhesus monkey cells or sheep cells, both of which have been proven to cause cancer. No.3 Occillococinum is a homeopathic remedy available at Wal-Mart and most drugstores always works when taken at the first signs of flu. and is safe for babies-seniors and has no drug interactions. No.4 You can strengthen you immune system by eating a grain free, organic fruit and vegetable laden diet including healthy meats. Some great defenses are cod liver oil, real kefir, oregano essential oil, garlic, purified fish oil, lost of distilled water, etc..You can get the exact ingredients of all vaccinations, organic essential oils, kefir along with great free info at www.abundantlifeessentials.com" For starters if people had a basic understanding of what the difference between viruses and bacteria are they would have seen this guy for what he was. Second was his claim to be a famous Dr. and radio host, why should that make a difference? Because the US population tends to be lazy when it comes to researching information for themselves, they would rather have it handed over to them without the effort of truly understanding the world around them.-- ^{I am the Alpha}TimS_{and the Omega!}. 09:21, 27 November 2007 (EST)

The thing that scared me most was this: “If all the evidence in the universe turned against creationism, I would be the first to admit it, but I would still be a creationist because that is what the Word of God seems to indicate. Here I must stand.” That's just a paradox within a paradox. Talk about grasping at straws... GrandSoviet 10:10, 27 November 2007 (EST)

I find the whole "Word of God" thing completely maddening. Just where do they think this word of god came from? There were no reporters with cameras and notebooks during the six days of creation so how do they know it was what really happened? OK my biblical studies are a bit rusty so at what point do we actually learn that someone is writing down what has happened? Did Adam keep a diary? At what point did god actually tell someone; "Well, on day one (and I'm talking a literal 24 hours here not some metaphorical period), I did this - by the way you better take notes as you might need to refer to it later", etc., etc. Even if there was a written record you can bet the goats on the ark ate it. Assuming that there really was some sort of flood, the accounts had to have been written down a long time afterwards and we know how unreliable human memory is. For some reason these literalists can accept that Jesus spoke in parables, using metaphors and allegory but everything else is a notarized verbatim transcript since the dawn of time, and doubting any part of it undermines the whole basis of their faith. Ludicrous! Kenservative 12:06, 27 November 2007 (EST)

If this is the place to rant about biblical literalists, here's my two problems: (1) The bible is translated. (2) The original source material is lost. Anyone who's ever tried to translate from one language to another knows how difficult it can be sometimes to create an exact and concise translation of the source material. For me, it was simply trying to translate Rammstein lyrics from German to English. Some of it was straightforward, but other bits were quite difficult. Admittedly, songs and poems are probably the worst kind of material to try to translate, but it was still from one modern Germanic language to another. Translating ancient Hebrew and Aramaic (sp?) to English (through Greek, Latin, or possibly other languages on the way) must have muddled quite a bit of the original meaning of the bible somewhere. To take anything it says as the literal truth is shear lunacy, I say. --Imroy 14:26, 27 November 2007 (EST)

Surely Adam, Moses and God all spoke English? And Noah revised the spellings for the USA. Genghis ^Marauding 14:53, 27 November 2007 (EST)

days until the presidential election...

... Do we need that? Especially if there is no one to consistently update it? Is there a way to auto-update it? Sterile^{minichatroomthingy} 09:36, 28 November 2007 (EST)

I made it autoupdate; I'll have to change the formula in '08! Sterile^{minichatroomthingy} 12:08, 28 November 2007 (EST)

I like the idea but the wording needs to be more hyperbolic or snarky. tmtoulouse ^nettle 12:14, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Let me think:

• NN days until US signs Kyoto.
• NN days until US rejoins real world.
• NN days until George Bush become eligible for war crimes tribunal.
• Free world to hold party in NN days.--Bob^{bing up} 13:02, 28 November 2007 (EST)

I made the "Electdays" template, and it should work in 2008 (provided I carried my digits correctly!) Sterile^{minichatroomthingy} 13:24, 28 November 2007 (EST)

How about this template: {{Elect} ? Sterile^{minichatroomthingy} 13:32, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Can't make it revolving can you?--Bob^{bing up} 13:34, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Hit refresh... Sterile^{minichatroomthingy} 13:35, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Ah. Cool. Template:Elect. You might want some other opinions though. My "war crimes" suggestion might be a bit too snarky for some. :-) --Bob^{bing up} 13:42, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Awesome work! Another few days and I might have whined about it. I'm gonna add my own random snark to it - something about whether or not the 'lection is, um, postponed due to the start of WW3 in Iran... human 14:04, 28 November 2007 (EST)

I pasted it into the according to page. human 14:08, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Good work. I increased the font size a bit, to make the subtext readable for the old folks as well. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 14:13, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Ah! So that's what it says!--Bob^{bing up} 14:17, 28 November 2007 (EST)

I read it by hitting ctrl-+ three times. I read the forums at one ctrl-+ all the time... human 15:54, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Thank you all so much for making my idea actually function, especially without requiring me to remember to update it... this is so much cooler than the original. You guys rock.-αmεσ (tinker) 14:34, 28 November 2007 (EST)

These are all based on famous Bushisms - should I add?

• Only another nn days to connect Iraq to the war on terror.
• Only another nn days to put food on your family.
• Only another nn days to ask, “Is our children learning”?
• Only another nn days to misunderestimate Pres Bush.--Bob^{bing up} 15:12, 28 November 2007 (EST)

OMG please add those!-αmεσ (tinker) 15:45, 28 November 2007 (EST)

I added the food family one, and modded iraq to be connected to 9/11. human 16:01, 28 November 2007 (EST)

OK, thing is, there is a Bushism, "You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror." - which is what I was playing off. But that's why I asked first - if people don't recognize them as Bushisms then it doesn't work.--Bob^{bing up} 16:13, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Ah, I see. maybe quote marks would make it clearer, like this:

• Only another nn days to "connect Iraq to the war on terror" (it's hard)
• Only another nn days to "put food on your family"
• Only another nn days to ask, “Is our children learning”?
• Only another nn days to "misunderestimate" the Great Decider
• Only another nn days to help Ob-Gyns make love to the their patients...
• Only nn days left to add anti-Bush snark to this template! (metajoke)

Anyway, do feel free to patch in any that you want, we have nn days to roll through them all! human 16:34, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Ok, if they're not on when I get up I'll add them in the "morning". :-)--Bob^{bing up} 16:50, 28 November 2007 (EST)

...to make Bush jokes?

...until normal conditions are restored? Totnesmartin 17:28, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Eh, doesn't Bush stay in office until January '09? Lurker 17:36, 28 November 2007 (EST)

True, party pooper... Sterile^{minichatroomthingy} 17:45, 28 November 2007 (EST) (I suppose I could make a Presdays template to countdown until Bush is out of office; I think I'd change one number... Thoughts?)

Yeah, well, someone's gotta notice; might as well be me :) Lurker 01:18, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Ok... template [[Template:Presdays|Presdays] gives the days until inauguration.... I need to run--fix more later? Sterile^{minichatroomthingy} 19:08, 28 November 2007 (EST)

Cool. Some should be electday, some should be presday. Anyone feel like parsing them and fixing it? human 19:21, 28 November 2007 (EST)

I hate all wiki based internet sites, and I frankly think of one that I like to use. However, there is some comic gold on this site at least. ^{— Unsigned, by: Listen2me / talk / contribs}

I hate to break it to you, but come November 2008, nothing substantial will change. The US won't sign Kyoto, won't give up its consumerist lifestyle or trying to export it to the rest of the world, won't stop sticking its nose in other countries' business, and won't stop using military force against civilian populations whose governments won't toe the line. Remember Kosovo? That's the Democrats for you. So the slightly-less-conservative of America's two parties is going to win? Yawn. Whatever. Wake me up when y'all start militating for real change. PFoster 16:35, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Mind telling me what exactly about Kosovo and stopping ethnic cleansing was bad? Researcher 16:49, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Oh, stopping ethnic cleansing is great - if you're going to 1. Be consistent about it (let's talk about Rwanda and Srebrnica and the Kurds and the Shi'a in Iraq for starters) 2. Not bomb civilian populations in order to do so. I know, I know, "you can't make an omelet without breaking any eggs" and all those other bullshit platitudes, but NATO intervened over Kosovo because it happened to fit with broader US foreign policy goals at the time (as Rwanda and Srebrenica did not) and in a way designed to minimize US/NATO casualties (bombing from the sky) at the expense of Serbia's civilian population. And I know, all those Michael Ignatieff arguments from The Warrior's Honour and Virtual War about the need to use military force to uphold human rights and how the so-called "revolution in military technology" minimises the number of dead civilians, but the point of my argument was that no matter who governs the country, the fact is that America is an imperial power that doesn't hesitate to kill civilians whose governments get in its way. PFoster 17:01, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Personally, I believe that every major world power become an imperial power. The question is to what use that power is put. (Of course, one could say that the failure to act in Rwanda was a consequence of Somalia, and the necessity of acting in Kosovo was due to failing to act in Srebenica and Rwanda...) But, in the end, every major power intervenes in other countries, and the best you can hope for is one that does so for the greater good, rather than for naked self-interest. Researcher 17:33, 29 November 2007 (EST)

I think that history will one day show that in the second half of the 20th century, the American Republic was destroyed by the American Empire. But I can still hope that somehow, the process can be reversed before it's too late. human 18:20, 29 November 2007 (EST)

It's too late. PFoster 20:36, 29 November 2007 (EST)

I can't believe that it's too late yet, if only because the alternatives are all so much worse. It's either a descent back into multi-polarity, in which order is thrown out the window and wars are rampant, or (maybe) we'll go back to bipolarity, with China and Russia teaming up to reprise the old Soviet foe. (My money's more on the former than the latter.) Either way, it's a horrible situation for the world as a whole American leadership as a whole has not been perfect, but in most ways it can be considered better than what came before it. Researcher 20:40, 29 November 2007 (EST)

quoteboxes

We have a dearth of them on the wiki. All I can remember is that one that puts big dumb blue quoties around the text, and makes no allowance for a "byline".

We need one that makes a nice light grey box at 80-90% width, centered, with a nice easy to remember (and type!) name.

Is there something easy to port over from WP?

I posted this on the forum also, but I know some people aren't there or can't go there. human 15:16, 29 November 2007 (EST)

See wp:Category:Quotation_templates (might not be exact link - sorry) - That's right now Susan^{purrrrr ...} 15:45, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Oh, cool. I guess the one we have does allow for a byline, just gotta remember how. I'm still looking for a nice boxquote thing, I'm sure they've got one... human 15:58, 29 November 2007 (EST)

If someone ports one, can you make it a two letter template so simple people like me can remember it? something like "aq" for attributed quote, then I wouldn't have to look an earlier article I'd written to remember the syntax ;) P.S I quite like the big dumb blue quote marks. --Jeεv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 15:54, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Maybe we should at least have some easy way to remember this stuff. Gee, like a cat here for the ones we have? I just called them dumb because they can't speak, btw ;) human 15:58, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Gimme a while & I'll imprt some & do a "help" on it. Susan^{purrrrr ...} 16:02, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Is it possible to edit the text that appears in the edit screen? If it is possible and somebody points me in the right direction, I'll write a quick summary of useful templates to use and stick it with the rest of the editing help. --Jeεv☭s^{Your signature uses all my CPU time...} 16:04, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Not sure I understand your question, Jeeves. If you get an edit screen, you must be able to edit it. Or do you mean the "noinclude" stuff that describes a template, rather then being in the transcluded part of it? Or did you mean something else? human 18:22, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Owzat: Category:Quote Templates, Help;Quotes? I'll import a few more given time & spruce it up a bit more. Susan^{purrrrr ...}

It's very good, awesome, thank you! I added some gibberish text around the rquote expamples to show how they wrap better. human 16:28, 1 December 2007 (EST)

Looks great! --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 16:28, 1 December 2007 (EST)

MediaWiki

What version is this on? At Liberapedia we have 1.6.10. --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 16:42, 29 November 2007 (EST)

That's a question only TMT can answer - he's experimenting @ Rationalbeta.com. Susan^{purrrrr ...} 16:56, 29 November 2007 (EST)

1.10.1 The latest versions are not completely with out their...quirks....24.141.169.227 16:59, 29 November 2007 (EST)

I'm going to kill myself

How should i do it? Emo666 19:32, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Read conservapedia for 10 minutes straight.--PalMD^{-If it looks like a donut, eat it} 19:33, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Overdose on sodium thiopental, and then take a large dose of pancuronium bromide to make sure you won't be able to save yourself. Death results in about 20 minutes.

Serously though, suicide isn't cool. Remember... hell doesn't have black eyeliner. --Ζωροάστρης 20:06, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Should I find it slightly disturbing that you know that? Master Bra'tac^Kree! 23:14, 30 November 2007 (EST)

There is no good way--every method is either painful, scary, messy, or unreliable (or some combination thereof). Plus, somebody has to find your body and clean up the mess. And then everyone who cares for you (and they do exist) will be angry at you and fucked up for the rest of their lives. Better to see a doctor and get some help.--WJThomas 20:27, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Strangle yourself with your bare hands! GrandSoviet 23:47, 29 November 2007 (EST)

"With your bare hands, Captain!"

Wow!

1,785 edits to this page! --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 20:57, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Hey, we're trying to save lives here! human 21:00, 29 November 2007 (EST)

Has any one seen...

this site. Its not very active but still.

Is this parody? "I think our government should be pumping billions of dollars into careful analysis of genomes in a hunt for messages from our designer." Nobody could be that stupid, really. GrandSoviet 23:00, 30 November 2007 (EST)

If genomes are properly commented, we'll figure it out soon enough... human 15:15, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Ways to really screw with geneticists years down the road - http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jun/raw-data-message-in-a-bacterium . Millions of years from now, after humans are a being excavated by cockroach scientists they find a bacteria that encodes "Sorry about that stepping on you thing." --Shagie 16:09, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Submissive Jesus

Man, I gotta get me one of those! :nods: --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 09:19, 2 December 2007 (EST)

Texas, the new Kansas

If someone wants to take a crack at this, some additional reading: [6] --Shagie 02:32, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Who didn't feed the hamster?

^{— Unsigned, by: Bob M / talk / contribs}

We must need more pi dollarzes. human 15:14, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Why is the server so slow 2day? --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 15:33, 3 December 2007 (EST)

Maybe Larry Craig clogged up the innertubes? Ewwww... human 15:44, 3 December 2007 (EST)

AIG busted

Does anyone know about AIG Busted?. Sounds like an ally. Sterile^{minichatroomthingy} 11:41, 4 December 2007 (EST)

Uncyclopedia article!

Well people, I saw that Feebas factor added to the Uncyclopedia page for Conservapedia, adding a red link to RationalWiki. So, I created the RationalWiki article! So head on over, be funny and not stupid, and make sure you type Uncyclopedia.org with a ".org", otherwise it totally won't work. YB ^indeed! 22:35, 4 December 2007 (EST)

And, as it turns out. We need your help! Head over to the page and edit it for the better, because it's in the process of being in danger of being deleted if it's not upkept and if it in general sucks. It should look like a Wikipedia-style article, only Uncyclopedia-like in style. Believe me, it'll be for the best, because if that article stays, there's a link to it on the bottom of the Conservapedia page, and I'm sure it's generating traffic for us. I'm not sure how much, but who knows, it may be slightly significant! Plus, if you do go there and add to it, I will have accomplished something slightly important! 'Tis a good deal for everybody. YB ^indeed! 22:23, 5 December 2007 (EST)

I added my contribution, it will probably get deleted on sight now, lol. - Icewedge 01:22, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I have exciting news with respect to the site's growth in regards to the ranking of RationalWiki's "Conservapedia" article on google search!

I have exciting news with respect to the site's growth in regards to the ranking of RationalWiki's "Conservapedia" article on google search!

RationalWiki's "Conservapedia" article now ranks #7 on Google search!! I unreasonably claim all credit!!!

WOOOOOOOOOOooooooOOOOOOOOOO!!111

Feel free to burst my bubble. Uchiha^KATON! 11:15, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Prick! Genghis ^Marauding 11:19, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Yes, yes, but did you send somebody a very important email about it? That's what matters! --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 11:22, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Actually it was number 6 when I tried it out.--Bob^{bing up} 11:59, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Is because hardly anyone else cares about CP except as ephemeral lulz? If we end up at number 2 or 3 that'll be hard for ASchlafly to explain away... Totnesmartin 12:04, 5 December 2007 (EST)

...and now it's number 6 when I try it as well. Once again, WOOOOOoooooOOOOOOO!!! Uchiha^KATON! 17:20, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Mall shooting in Omaha

Don't write anything about this on the main page if you're trying to make a point. It's thoughtless and inconsiderate, and we are in no position to be making a political statement about it. So don't.

Now excuse me as I go deal with flood waters in good ol' Seattle. --Ζωροάστρης 01:38, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I put something up in the "According to" that you may have an issue with - it's less about the shooting itself than it is about the coverage - and issues directly related to the shooting, too. I'll leave it up to you whether it should stay or go...PFoster 01:53, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Oh, that's fine, I meant something more along the lines of "This is why we need gun control/mental healthcare/2nd amendment repealing". I can't make a rule against this, but I'd strongly discourage any use of this incident to make a political point. --Ζωροάστρης 17:12, 6 December 2007 (EST)

I agree, that would be the same "anecdotal evidence" fallacy CP makes every chance they get. In addition to the fact that tragedies should be mourned, not used short-term to make cheap political points. human 17:28, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Guess who took advantage of the shooting and blamed it on public schools.

New namespace proposal

I propose we create a "Parody" namespace that will be separate from the "fun" namespace. --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 17:45, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Why? We already have it as a category, and a lot of our mainspace articles use some (or a lot) of parody. And there is Essay:, which sometimes contains parodies people wrote... human 18:15, 6 December 2007 (EST)

Abstinence only programs

I have to throw this out there, if Abstinence only programs work then why are priests in the church having sex with boys? I can not think of a position where there is more regulation about Abstinence than the vows of celibacy from priests. Not to mention that since many of these priests are adults we can not make the claim that it was just teen age hormones that cause the lack of judgment. I believe this gives proof that nature can be stronger than indoctrination. One other thing to point out, most of those proponents of these programs, when they fail, claim that the individual just lost faith. Therefore it is not the program but the individual.-- ^{I am the Alpha}TimS_{and the Omega!}. 09:08, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Link to WIGO

Wasn't there a link to WIGO on the Main Page? Now that the Boycott is luckily over, that link could be (re-?)instated. Editor at CP 13:14, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Yes, I only noticed today that it was gone! It should be easy to parse the diffs to put it back. Want me to do it? human 15:38, 7 December 2007 (EST)

DO IT!-αmεσ (tinker) 15:41, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Your to late, i already did it. In fact i was the one who took it off in the first place. ^_^ --Signed by Elassint the Great ^Hi! 15:43, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Haha, I guess I did it again after or beside you. I just reverted the page back to before you took it off, since all the subsequent edits were vandalism and repair thereof. Anyway, iss iz fickssed nough. human 15:48, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Hi Everyone in RationalWiki

I'm here to tell you about the LIBERTY GUARD OF NEW AMERICA. We hope to establish a New America. See our plans at my userpage. LIBERTY GUARD OF NEW AMERICA 18:23, 7 December 2007 (EST)

I wanna join the Falconist Party! Where do I sign up? Secret Squirrel 18:27, 7 December 2007 (EST)

Wow, those plans really show some effort and thought. Why weren't they proofread the morning after the binge? human 18:47, 7 December 2007 (EST)

DO WE ALL GET TO WEAR LIBERTY BODICES? Genghis ^Marauding 18:49, 7 December 2007 (EST)