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Profanity on CP

I love that the most vulgar page on CP (aside from the Main page) is Andy's creation. Awesome. [1] ʄĹїþþїɲ^;-) 17:42, 16 June 2007 (CDT)

That last regex is awesome. It amused my entire office. MyaR 09:22, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Has anyone managed to make sense of it? --Stevo 09:32, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Actually I take that back - just had another look at it and it's not that complicated. Pretty funny though! --Stevo 09:35, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Sort of. We're considering a competition to find the best possible match. Someone figured out that it looks like Cheeseface and Woodhead are blocked, but she wasn't positive. Time to break open the toolbox, maybe. We should be able to figure out some amusing substitutions they haven't covered there, too. And they don't really know non-American English, also helpful. MyaR 09:37, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Doesn't the final \b render the entire thing useless if you just add a final letter or number onto your chosen profanity?

--Stevo 09:46, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

In fact, that regex doesn't work at all, because it's case sensitive to lower case, and the first letter of a username always becomes capitalised. Just successfully registered 'Peckertrack'(?) and 'Blowjob' --Stevo 10:16, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Awesome! The lack of tech knowledge is kind of staggering. Well, the lack of knowledge is really staggering. MyaR 10:19, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Have y'all seen Andy's awesome article on cp:Regular expressions? Totally incomprehensible unless you already know what it's trying to say, and check out the "\bin" example. --jtl^talk 14:35, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I don't get it. But it's concise! --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 14:48, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Thanks, Andy, for that interesting and informative article! I learned a lot about regular expressions there. [will be sharing that -- colleague's response: "why do they even try? the example's not right, either. \bin won't get 'thin'"]. MyaR 15:00, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, Conservapedia is great with articles - as long as they're not in ancient Greek. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 15:12, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

<-- Doesn't Andy know that UNIX became popular at UC Berkley (as did LSD, coincidence??), the liberal hippie haven? Should he really be promoting its use? Jrssr5 15:08, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Hmmm...

Does anyone know anything about this [2] ?

Simon Article

Somehow I don't have to register to read it. It's possible that I'm just awesome. Kinda a boring article, I thought it would be more entertaining. Jrssr5 10:21, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

I didn't have to register either. I did a search for the author to find it, though, if that could have had a bearing on it. αιρδισΗ^ταλκ 11:01, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

You can always get login details from bugmenot.com. --Stevo 11:03, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Well I posted the link after registering, so I guess you all got in on my account. However, the article has also appeared on www.southflorida.com which showed up in Google. Over on the dark side [3] they finally got around to fixing the Exxon Mobile spelling error on George W. Bush. Something I pointed out six weeks ago and I was not the first to do so. The funny thing is that they all are pleasantly surprised at the balanced POV from a liberal newspaper!! Can you imagine if Fox (how I shudder to type that word) News had done a similar comparison? I don't think many here would be saying how surprised they were. God's peed ^{Babel fish}ÅЯ†ђŮŖ ÐΣй†_{Now look here!} 13:01, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

I read it and it is OK. Over at CP, they see the piece as mostly positive. I think when we see the LAT letter section in a day or so, we will see comments that point out some of the goofball aspects of CP, such as Hillary's mental state, the BC/AD/CE/BCE thing, and the 15 year old who thinks that evil liberals are out to destroy her.--Franklin 11:23, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

Hey, it's not just liberals, it's the deists too! ^α_ι^ρ_δ^ι_σ^Η_τ^α_λ^κ 11:30, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

I thought it was a good piece in that both 'sides' could take positives from it (although some of them are getting a bit carried away). Articles ridiculing conservapedia have been done to death, so it was good to have one that was slightly different and tried to give a small look at the people behind the story. I thought the way the vandalism was written about was rather unfair in a few ways though - and it made it seem like the people from RationalWiki were defacing CP with porn images all the time. --Stevo 11:33, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

I guess we can thank Karajou or so for the vandalism portrait (and how he makes himself look like a dedicated anti-vandal fighter). Bet you money that he sent carefully selected (and quite likely edited) pages from RW1 to make it look like we're a bunch of Net Terrorists and the main source of vandalism. Either that, or she was carefully guided to the few instances where somebody here said he had vandalized CP (I honestly couldn't think of an example right now, though).

Either way, it's nice to have Doc's fight against Andy over Breast Cancer in there. --Sid 13:14, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

I think flippin said something about cyber-terrorism in his letter to her. Pal's bit was the best thing in there (aside from the RW big-up of course). _δ^α_ι^ι_σ^ρ_Η^ταλκ 13:21, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

It's the first article I've seen that included two things - reasonably fresh research (mentioning history pages, for instance, cool), and quotes that date from later than ashfly's first press release. I'd say, overall decent journalism. We may not look like white knights, but the article isn't about us. We might need to be prepared for a small wave of curious visits over the next few days... I added the article to Conservapedia:in the media human^{be in} 13:46, 19 June 2007 (CDT)

As I said a few days ago, wait until you see the letters section of the LA Times. Here it is: <http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/letters/la-le-saturday23.4jun23,0,5102944.story?coll=la-news-comment-letters>.

BBC Article

Been at CP for a while just watching what's going on, biding my time, and have just found this site thanks to Conservative. They're having a field day with the BBC at the moment, filling the article with news of the recent liberal bias report. But some earlier good deeds have gone unnoticed, which should cause a chuckle for all the UK readers. Hmmm - Fox is from the UK and has been active in the BBC discussion...

The BBC is a crown corporation supported by tax money, specifically a licensing fee applied to television owners[1]. However, the government allows it to operate somewhat autonomously. The BBC produces many well known television programs, including Bod, Grange Hill, Holby City, Are You Being Served?, Terry and June, Crackerjack and Doctor Who.

Mralph72 07:43, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I'm not that fussed about it containing cruft references, and I quite like the idea of one day creating a "Bod" article - that little guy is such a trooper :) - or even on the relative merits of pre- and post-Zammo Grange Hill. Little things like that can be dealt with over the course of time :) לול 08:02, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

The End of the World

Woo, second media reference.

But what really caught my eye was this -

'We at El Reg are looking forward to the final, Ragnarök (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnar%C3%B6k)-style confrontation between Conservapedia, RationalWiki and Wikipedia. The outcome of this titanic battle will be decided by either natural selection or according to God's will, depending on which one of them is really telling the truth.'

I say that we give them a titanic battle, and call dibs on Jörmungandr. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!}

Expertise

Idea:create some sort of category marker to indicate if a user wishes to claim expertise in a certain field, so that others may go to them for assistance. Those of who have been here from the start pretty much know each others' strengths and weaknesses, but hopefully we will cont to build. Just an idea.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 16:28, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I just made a category called Go-To Guys and one called Mathematicians, which I have placed myself in. Looks ok, though maybe having the category at the bottom of my user page could be a problem. anyways, it's a start. Thoughts? _δ^α_ι^ι_σ^ρ_Ηταλκ 17:11, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Cool, if others like it, we can self-add and post a link on the main page.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 17:17, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I suppose we could get Stevo to give us a bit of his magic to blank out the category boxes from usernames if we want, or linus could work his own brand of mojo on it. _δ^α_ι^ι_σ^ρ_Ηταλκ 17:18, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Yes, any solution i might jerry rig would be inelegant, to say the least. This nested category idea is a little unwieldy, but may be the best soln.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 17:19, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

So, Stevo has come up with something to blank out the category box on usernames, should you wish it. Check out the sample version of my user page._δ^α_ι^ι_σ^ρ_Ηταλκ 17:58, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Clean Slate....

Interesting what Colin added has been removed. Did anyone specifically ask him? --TK_/MyTalk 22:01, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Colin is a sock. Im not sure of whom yet. I've never seen him and Bohdan in the same room.--DoxXox^-DawkT0wk 22:02, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

• Who is Colin? Is that the same person as ColinR? Bohdan 22:03, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I just do what the goats tell me to do. Tmtoulouse 22:05, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Hmmm..insincere protests>?--DoxXox^-DawkT0wk 22:05, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

The problem with doing what you are told, is it often lands you in shit, lol. But answer avoidance is a high art here. If no one minds, I think it was an important welcome page statement for many users who might show up from other places due to the recent press, and I am going to restore it. --TK_/MyTalk 22:10, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I don't think anyone specifically objected to it. Check the diff history, and message the user who changed it.--DoxXox^-DawkT0wk 22:12, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Frankly, its not really needed, and is outdated. I see no reason for it to be there. Tmtoulouse 22:15, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Since the server is owned by Colin, and since he recently told me its still needed, who are you Trent, to remove it? I think a community vote is in order, no? Or have you now changed once again, how the place is run? --TK_/MyTalk 22:20, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I am not going to feed the troll. Tmtoulouse 22:21, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

So now, accepting the way you said things are to be run here, you lable me a Troll, for asking why there wasn't discussion before removal of something ColinR specifically added? That's rich! Play your psych games somewhere else, Trent. --TK_/MyTalk 22:23, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

TK, I think maybe you should have a warning that if a conservapedia user shows up here you assume the worst in some cases. Heart♥Gold ^tx 22:24, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I don't know if you quite realize this, but most of us were CP users when we came here. Oh, and Hi, TK! Go fuck yourself! Your new name, by the way, is Frank Burns. human^{be in} 22:31, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Ferret face? --Kels 14:27, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

I think the statement ColinR added stands on its own, and is appropriate for people coming here from CP, WP, anywhere. I just don't see why a couple people here woke up one morning and decided it wasn't needed. I won't go so far as to say they never liked what Colin added, and want it removed, but certainly some will think that. I've done my part to keep something he felt was important, and obviously, lacking a vote of all members, the "leadership" here will certainly have its way. --TK_/MyTalk 22:38, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I think people from CP will be more concerned about what sysops at CP will think than how they will be treated here. I don't see any reason for the disclaimer. Heart♥Gold ^tx 22:40, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Well, Heart of Gold, ColinR, who owns the place, and the server, did. Does. Isn't that enough? I restore anyone booted for just being a member here, so I don't hear much concern from users about that anymore. And it is a welcoming message so that others who might have vendettas here, because they dislike somone from another wiki or board, can feel safe. What's wrong with that? --TK_/MyTalk 22:43, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I think the message is still there, just not in the prominent location you wanted. I haven't seen ColinR dictating such things, but you're welcome to go complain to him if you think that will help your cause. Heart♥Gold ^tx 22:45, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Go fuck yourself..? This is the warm welcome that these cretins claim to have waiting for the CP homeschoolers they are gonna rescue?? LoL - they can't help but let their true colours show through, can they? לול 22:46, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Colin doesn't need you to speak for him, TK. I also don't think it's necessary any longer; the only users who might reasonably have been affected are either already here or apparently aren't coming. --jtl^talk 22:47, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

If a sysop decides to, they can certainly throw him a block for the Go fuck yourself, however, TK seems to be a legitimate target. If anyone wants to tell me to go fuck myself, im happy to not see them banned for it. This isnt CP. Its a lot more like the real world.--DoxXox^-DawkT0wk 22:49, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

In the "real world" vandalism and using language liable to cause offence are criminal offences. לול 22:51, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

He was already blocked for it. --jtl^talk 22:50, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Im not sure about England, Foxy, but here, i can tell anyone to go fuck themselves without fear of prosecution.--DoxXox^-DawkT0wk 22:53, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Well, you can't here. לול 22:55, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

"language liable to cause offence 'is a' criminal offence"? Well, whatever that sig reads, you can go fuck yourself, too, and take a few homoskulled kiddies with you! PS, on a lighter note, I agree with HG's position on this. Has anyone provked TK yet? No? That's good. human^{be in} 23:02, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the quote. I'll be sure to keep it safe ;) לול 23:06, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I'd recommend your user page, that's where I keep the real gems. And you're welcome! human^{be in} 23:14, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

• Heart of Gold, Colin's message had nothing to do with only Conservapedia, but was intended for people from anywhere. It wasn't my idea of where to place it, and in fact in restoring it I removed the "big" font that Colin had in it. I never dreamed putting something back that was removed with any community discussion, per what Trent has always demanded, would cause such a stir. Sorry I brought it up, and I assure you I will never again participate in community life, which is what some of you seem aiming for. I thought I was a member of this community to. Obviously I am mistaken. Could someone tell me if there is a way to "Unjoin" this community? Or if once you join, you are forced to remain, talk page and all? Seems if that is your idea, some warning should have been given on entry. --TK_/MyTalk 22:54, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

You "unjoin" the community by just not coming to RW anymore. ¿ Sta’le ? 22:56, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I got "unjoined" at CP, so I guess it can be done. Waht, not blocked again yet? human^{be in} 23:04, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

This is the community discussion you said you wanted. I don't see "such a stir". As to unjoining, just leave and don't come back. --jtl^talk 22:57, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

"Again you fail to understand the way things work around here, we do not "discuss" things in private, but out in the open, "admins" do not make decrees from on high. Its up to the community to decide these matters and I am putting it before the community. Tmtoulouse" [[4]] "Clean Slate"

Jtl, nice try. Don't twist. Community discussion and input usually comes before the action, not after it. Sorry for even bothering. But this has been another page, a good example for potential users, to see how things are actually done here, and how hostile some people are treated by the rest of you. A nice contrast to Ames posting on Sharon's page about this place for all to see. Even when I try to participate by your rules, I am hammered and insulted. Bye. --TK_/MyTalk 23:02, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Bye bye :) :) We'll just have to do this again sometime soon! human^{be in} 23:05, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Quote: "Bye. --TK". --- What, again? here's the page for you: http://www.rationalwiki.com/wiki/Leaving_and_Never_Coming_Back heh. In the words of the great Gulik.

I wonder if TK (I am not talking directly to him since he has left and will not be back) ever realized that the reason people are hostile to him is because he acts like a complete douchebag? olliegrind 07:28, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

If every action we ever took had to be "voted" on then nothing would happen. Here is how it works: someone does something, if no one objects it stays that way, if someone objects the discussion starts, people work towards a compromise and those in the community interested in participating come and give their point of view. Eventually a consensus will be formed by the majority of participating editors. Tmtoulouse 23:14, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Anyone who wants to be here can stay. Anyone who doesn't can leave. Most actions here are not aimed at specific people, and if you think they are, well, you may need to reevaluated where the center of the universe really is. Anyone can participate in discussion, anyone can write an article, anyone can curse, but if everyone perceives you as being unpleasant, don't be surprised if they actually act that way.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 23:17, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Anyone who has been to CP knows where the centre of the universe is. Why is right here on lil ol earth, ain't it? That there sun and them there stars be orbiting right round us. Mralph72 04:12, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

I object to TK leaving ... he's fun. I like not knowing why or where his next explosion will come from. He's more volatile than tnt wrapped in nitroglycerine sitting in a pool of napalm. Jrssr5 14:29, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Freedom of Speech

In the U.S., I can tell the President to go fuck himself if I wish. And he is free to take offense. But I can't be prosecuted.--DoxXox^-DawkT0wk 22:56, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I remember some hot dog vendor in Chicago told Clinton to Go to Hell and was detained by the secret service for it. Probably not prosecuted, but harrassed. Heart♥Gold ^tx 22:57, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I really wasnt aware that the UK had laws against cursing at people.--DoxXox^-DawkT0wk 22:58, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Actually, it is against the law to swear in public. In Wisconsin, not to long ago, a guy got fined for swearing around children. --¿ Sta’le ? 22:59, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

I just looked it up and Wisconsin is one of nine states with laws against public swearing. --¿ Sta’le ? 23:02, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9507E1DA133BF93AA35751C0A96F958260 לול 23:00, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Yes, Blue Laws still exist as a curiosity, and in my home state. They are the circus freak of laws. No one will write me a ticked for cursing at someone. The case at hand was of rowdy canoeists going thru a public area and disturbing the peace. Stupid law. --DoxXox^-DawkT0wk 23:02, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/09/10/nswear10.xml לול 23:02, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

If what is said is true about the UK, someone had better go edit cunt. Personally, I think someone needs their furniture moved around. From that article, it actually appears that not only is swearing illegal, but that "yobism" is encouraged, and vandalism protected. human^{be in} 23:17, 20 June 2007 (CDT)

Eh, I grew up in Wisconsin, and people swore in public all the time and no one got arrested for it. As was said, a curiosity, and only prosecuted if there's another reason for it. I suspect that was a townies vs tourists thing, too, without reading it. MyaR 06:59, 21 June 2007 (CDT)

Interesting contact info

(Andrew Schlafly, Esq., Owner, http://www.conservapedia.com, 212-292-4510, Aschlafly@aol.com), from http://right-wing-masturbapedia.com/

Yes, that is from these brief comments of the middle of April. The second site was set up as a (humorous?) mirror of CP, which (apparently, Aschlafly didn't find funny. CЯacke® 10:02, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

OK, what info was on the site that supposedly infringed the copyrite? And does anything on RW need to be reviewed for similar probs?--PalMD^{-yada yada} 09:54, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

realize that the ISP is likely to err on the side of the person complaining for obvious economic reasons and that copyright laws are up in the air just now.

Brown Nose debate

Brown nose or irony?

We British Conservative are not all too familiar with American Conservatism. I'm sure we could learn a lot and the voting public would certainly appreciate us all the more for "walking the walk" so to speak. As far as the "walking" goes we aren't really past the "crawling" stage yet. Conservapedia with its more than 12,050 educational, clean, and concise entries, including more than 350 lectures and term lists, will undoubtedly prove an invaluable aid in such an endeavour. Perhaps Mr. Schlafly could find the time to write an enlightening essay on the subject. His track record so far has been impressive. Essays such Liberal Falsehoods, Motivations for the Theory of Evolution and Liberal Behavior on Conservapedia will no doubt long remain an inspiration to us all. I, for one, would certainly love to read Mr. Schlafly's eloquent and cognizant deliberations on how and why the British Conservative should adopt the American Conservative approach to health care policy and what such a policy would entail. Godspeed! BritCon 07:14, 22 June 2007 (EDT)

Mralph72 23:34, 22 June 2007 (CDT)

Boogers! human^{be in} 01:45, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Underpants! --jtl^talk 01:59, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

I think I hear Burke, Peel and Disraeli spinning in their graves. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 04:00, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

Someone is clearly extracting the urine. Auld Nick 12:48, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

That's too cloying to be real...--PalMD^{-yada yada} 12:50, 23 June 2007 (CDT)

I'd agree with you, but have you read the "real" people's stuff on Ashfly's talk page lately? Has anyone brought him any more dead mice lately? human^{be in} 14:28, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

Ali G & Creationism

Good laugh for the Brits on this site: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjKMhtyI3L8&mode=related&search= MiddleMan 08:46, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

Creationism at b3ta.com

Some funny entries to this image challenge:

http://www.b3ta.com/challenge/creationism/

Trashbat 11:31, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

Lovely Jesus with a baby dinosaur TShirt in their shop too! Trashbat 11:47, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

African Americans on CP

Has three main sections: History, Religion and Intelligence. Yah. I guess they are trying to live up to Kurth Vonnegut's description of a certain kind of "Christian" (<-- note scare quotes) as 'not so closeted white supremists.' I'd be outraged by this in particular if there weren't a slew of other kinds of horse manure spread around the site. 70.160.54.37 18:24, 24 June 2007 (CDT)

Check their talk page on "Slavery", and you haven't even been to "Blogs 4 Brownback"... MiddleMan 08:03, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

ID and Creationism not to be taught as science in the UK

This article on the Register shows that our evil godless liberal Government (yeah, right!) seems to have gotten at least one thing right. Hurrah! Trashbat 07:53, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Thank Science for that! --Stevo (talk) 08:09, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

And Andy's spin on it (from the Main Page):

The British government just affirmed its ban on mentioning Intelligent Design to students.[3] No one there seems to notice how Britain's decline coincided with its promotion of evolution frauds like the Piltdown Man.

I honestly don't know, but I seriously hope that some of Andy's lawyer buddies occasionally read the Main Page ramblings... --Sid 04:34, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

For the record the source is [5] WhatIsG0ing0n 04:45, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

How typical of him to spin the mainpage story so it seems like a TOTAL BAN!!1!1one! rather than the truth which is merely not mentioning them in the context of science education. Wonder if he was wailing and gnashing his teeth as he typed? Trashbat 05:06, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

That kind of thing has always gone on at CP. Questioning it no doubt contributed to me being banned. Anyone who reads the linked sources will realise its deceitful spin. Do they think no one will notice? That man has clearly lost the plot. WhatIsG0ing0n 05:29, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

Uh oh, watch out for this article on the CP front page

"Pregnant women who have morning sickness have lower risk of breast cancer" - Daily Mail --Stevo (talk) 08:21, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Shit, someone just dropped an ammo crate in the CP trench... MiddleMan 08:35, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

So does that mean that if you have morning sickness, it's okay to have an abortion because you'll have balanced out the breast cancer risks? _δ^α_ι^ι_σ^ρ_Ηταλκ 08:37, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Someone left a comment on the talk page trying to correct the erroneous statement about breast feeding...another case of quote-mining. Check it out. I think the user is FredRidr.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 09:35, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

Andy on WP

I'd like to see Andy's pre-CP work on WP. I've seen his stuff post-CP but apparently, if he ever had a pre-CP account, it was under some other name (so he has at least three socks on WP if you beleive his story . . . ) can anyone figure out a way to find this out? Two methods come to mind:

1. Ask him his old screen name (good luck with that, plus I am blocked from all my easy IPs -- because I was not one of his faithful, not for any vandalism or disruptive editing)
2. Figure out the time line and articles he edited and look in the page histories ( he's such a liar it is doubtful that his account of this styuff is accurate, so again, good luck with that)

Any other possibilities?^{— Unsigned, by: 70.160.54.37 / talk / contribs}

At least two of us have tried the second technique and failed. See Conservapedia:Sysops on Wikipedia and its talk page, but I think you already know what any of us know. --jtl^talk 17:07, 25 June 2007 (CDT)

If someone can just go and politely ask Andy what his usernames were or what articles he edited I think that would be great because at least we could say we had asked him. I'm out of IPs at the mo. --Stevo (talk) 07:22, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

New Logo?

I'm going to suggest we lose the brain and use a goats head in the logo betwixt the [[ ]]/s. I think it would be fitting and meet.CЯacke® 01:19, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

You mean, "meat"? I'd make one using the goats head soup image, but it's really copyrighted, prolly. How about a goat eating some brains? HBC's brains? How about a giant "TK", if only for a couple of days? Speaking of he logo, who has the "large" version on their HDD? I never managed to save it. human^{be in} 01:47, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

I think we need to be careful not to undermine the growth of our brand awareness while it is still in its infancy, and at the same time ensuring that we proactively build and maintain synergies across the board on a moving forward basis. *nods* --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 03:29, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

I'm willing to do some consulting work on the business process re-invention and/or a mission statement, at my normal hourly fee. --jtl^talk 03:40, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

We need to identify and encapsulate our brand values before we can tailor the RW Experience™ to our target customers through an interactive multi-channel brand awareness strategy. If we can proactively brainstorm the quick win solutions and low hanging fruit, we can maximise productivity using existing resources whilst identifying the core processes that will need to be offshored to maintain City confidence. Let's see some Creovative™ thinking people. Oh, and my invoice is in the post...XD Trashbat 05:18, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

I understood that! human^{be in} 12:17, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

BINGO! what do I win? Tmtoulouse 12:22, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

Actually, getting back to the goat head thing, it might be a good idea. But might spell satanism to some people as well - hardly rational. On the other hand if, at the end of the day, we really want to stretch the envelope of this reality driven site, then perhaps we should be prepared to move the goalposts and review the bigger picture and consider the potential value-added synergy of the goat's head. (AGGGG it's contagious!)--Bob_M (talk) 16:05, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

I like the idea of a giant 'TK'.--ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!}

I think we've got a picture of him laying around "somewhere"; okay not as cute as a goat but a floating TK head wrapped in [[ ]]'s might bring hope that even the most unstable can be tamed? ~~ CЯacke® 16:20, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

Or, how about a giant "TK" that only shows up if one is logged in as "TK"? Anyway, I don't mind the brains, I think they're cool. By the way, they can always be thought of as goat brains! human^{be in} 17:06, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

MMMmmm, goat brains, with scrambled eggs w/ ketchup slather over ALL. Almost PURE cholesterol. ~~ CЯacke® 17:37, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

According to (ahem) Some People

should be "According to Conservapedia" Why be coy? And if our purpose is to document the ridiculous we should make sure our vast readership knows precisely who those "some people" are. Sheesh! 15:55, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

It's not always Conservapedia -- sometimes it's Blogs for Brownback, sometimes it's random nutters found on the net. That's the theory behind that change, at least. --jtl^talk 15:57, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

that's reasonable. Perhaps we should adopt a convention of putting the source in bold as a sort of header before each bulleted item sometihng like:

• Conservapedia: Andy is the new improved Jesus
• Blogs for Brownbeck: Isn't Mohamed that guy who cuts our grass?:
• Baptist Bloggers: Everyone else is going to hell and that fills me with joy

16:19, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

It was I that altered that, and, yes, it was due to a B4B quote I think - also, it was to act as part of our weaning from being the "anti-CP". For instance, we could quote part of that Behe Q&A we refuted. Also, I snuck in a Nation article I wanted people to read a week or two ago. So they're not even all nutters. Depending on your persepctive, of course :) I like the "source first" technique, it does make things clearer to the random reader, I'd hope. Oh, you forgot:

• Hellbound Liberal Atheist: "Come the rapture, can I have your car?" human^{be in} 20:58, 26 June 2007 (CDT)

hehe . . . I could do this all day:

• Hellbound Liberal Atheist: "Intolerant atheists declare they won't be happy till no one believes in anything except global warming, gay pride and Yahni's power to transform the world via steriodal elevator music."
• Hellbound Liberal Atheist: "Queering the nation's youth for Darwin." perhaps? Trashbat^{Hoot yer trap off} 09:37, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

Sheesh! 08:26, 27 June 2007 (CDT) P.S. Does your sig do that automatically when you add the four tildes or do you cut n' paste the format from somewhere.

I'm not sure about adding the source on, at least not while 90% of the stuff there is from CP - it'll look silly. Plus it takes up more space which isn't really a good thing. --Stevo (talk) 10:05, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

Conspiracy Theories

My 2 cents...I really don't want us to become a home for conspiracy theorists. Debunking conspiracy theories, investigative reporting, all good by me. But it is very easy for a site such as ours to be overrun by this sort of thing. I think we need to be vigilant.09:46, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

Yes, we should keep an eye on the references. MiddleMan 09:48, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

As long as the theories are being debunked here, I see it as similar to us debunking bad science. If we become a repository for crank theories with no refutations, that's when we have issues. Trashbat^{Hoot yer trap off} 09:52, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

We got a couple articles going that appear to me to be conspiracy theories. The coincidence one seems to be calling everyone who is not into conspiracies to be a 'dupe'. olliegrind 15:29, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

I've commented on that as well, I think on the talk page there.--PalMD^{-yada yada} 15:31, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Recent Changes on Conservapedia

All the recent changes are blocks. ;) ¿ Sta’le ? 22:56, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

Loving it. Trying to get the Daily Show episode.-AmesG 22:57, 27 June 2007 (CDT)

I added it to CP:in the media. Some utube links would be nice when they are up. It was so funny seeing CP's obnoxious ass logo on my TV! And a well done piece, as well. Did they crash the site yet? human^{be in} 00:31, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Looks like Schlafly blocked everyone who joined up tonight, and turned off new account creation. I wonder how long it'll stay off? --Gulik 01:24, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Contents Page

I really felt this site needed some sort of contents page, so I've started one, encouraging categories as the means of navigation. (At the moment I've included all categories that have more than one member and don't yet have a parent category.) This page can also replace {{template:RationalWiki MainPage/Featured Content}} (looks no different, apart from the extra links) and maybe could also have a link on the navigation bar on the left hand side. -- Stevo (talk) 09:35, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Sweet! I added it to the sidebar, but didn't change the main page template -- it does actually look a little different, for me at least: the current version has a blue background, yours has white. Dunno if that really matters to anyone, but it's different enough I'm not comfortable just making the change on my own. --jtl^talk 13:43, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the sidebar link! that's cool. Now... the blue background. I can't see one myself. What exactly is blue? is the background in template:RationalWiki MainPage/Featured Content blue? -- Stevo (talk) 14:57, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

This would be easier with screenshots, but I can't do that on the computer I'm on now... for me, on Main Page, the whole right sidebar has a light blue background, with a dark blue border and headers with a medium blue background; the content for the 'Featured Content' section blends in with the sidebar box (as does the content for the 'according to some people' and 'la bibliotheque' sections). In your test version, the content for the 'Featured Content' section has a white background, making it a little separate from the rest of that sidebar, and different from the other sections (but on this monitor, it's a very light blue and I'm not sure I would notice if I wasn't looking for it). template:RationalWiki MainPage/Featured Content has a white background though, so when used on the main page it must be inheriting the background in some way that the new Contents page doesn't. Maybe it's that it's now in a table? --jtl^talk 16:34, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Wow, my monitor's certainly more washed-out than yours. But I think I've got it now. Is it ok? -- Stevo (talk) 16:50, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

<-- My comments: Isn't "featured content" already the contents page? Alternatively, the contents file would have to be a template to be includable in the main page. Or. Featured content could be shorter (or at least not get longer), topped with a link to the "contents" file. human^{be in} 17:02, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Aah, but, (something I only learned yesterday is that) in MediaWiki, any page can be used as a template, you just use it's full name eg {{RationalWiki:Contents}} (so if you don't use a namespace, MW assumes the Template: namespace). I think it's important to still have the featured content highlighted on the contents page, so I wrote it so that the contents page could be included in the main page, and only show the featured content there (with a link to the full contents), and changes made to the featured content on the contents page would show on the main page as well. (Erm... hope that was understandable) -- Stevo (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

I couldn't understand a word of it, but I follow you completely, thanks. Got it, now. You have a buried noinclude in the article, I take it? Nice. human^{be in} 17:37, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Okay, I switched over the main page. If nobody complains, we'll assume the community accepts the change... As to the monitors, it may be a Mac vs non-Mac gamma issue? This morning (when it was obvious) I was on a Mac. --jtl^talk 17:17, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Looks great, heck most people will never notice. But there is that nice "more" in there now. human^{be in} 17:37, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Hmm, not sure. But thanks, and thanks for the clear explanation that helped me figure it out. -- Stevo (talk) 17:21, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Funny

Who knew that TK talked to 1/3 of the teens online. He's certainly bullied just about everyone here, so it's not too hard to imagine. Jrssr5 15:25, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Hey man, he gets a CLEAN SLATE here! You can only count the ones that he's bullied since signing up. olliegrind 15:30, 28 June 2007 (CDT)

Conservapedia Contest

Harnessing the power of teamwork in a competative setting to improve the quality of Conservapedia seems to be the latest initiative over there. Shame I'm no longer contributing really, I love a challenge...XD _liessmoke^mirrors 05:32, 29 June 2007 (CDT)

Ah, the rules and scoring are finally in place. And the teams are forming! Strangely, JM has three members and SS only one, which would seem to contradict the "alternate" picking of sides. But, SS has a ringer! Teh Assfly itself! Hey, is RW fielding a team? We r gud edittors two! human^{be in} 15:16, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

I'm going to ask to join. Moar lulz. --ויִכִּ נתֶּרֶפּרֶתֵּר ^{שְׁלֹום!}

When there are uncited facts, ask for a citation. Don't let them get by with uncited crap - make sure all crap is cited. Call out the mistakes by those in the contest (especially in locked articles) on talk pages. Make sure they understand that making an encyclopedia is not just grabbing the latest glossary from a government site and dumping it in - it takes research and facts. And at the end of the day, reality does have a liberal bias. Helping sysops come to terms with that is a good thing. --Shagie 23:26, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Aspartame

I saw the item "Pat Robertson explains how sweetness and umami (savoriness) are a government conspiracy to kill children." on the main page. The 'sweetness' link is an article about aspartame and new studies showing possible dangers from its consumption. Well, those fears and studies go back a quarter of a century. Wikipedia has information about the FDA approval process, which includes our dear friends Ronald Reagan and Donald Rumsfeld. --Imroy 13:35, 1 July 2007 (CDT)

CP absurdity

OK. Now I think they are doing it on purpose. Using conservapedian math it appears that the recent changes to CP are six times more absurd today than they were last week. This whole CP thing is just a big joke perpetrated by icewedge, right? very funny. HA HA HA. jokes over. Oh, wait. Andy.doesn't.have.a.sense.of.humor. . . . .shudder ^{Exasperate me!}Sheesh!_{I said what?} 14:56, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

GWB

The conservapedia article for George W. Bush has been unlocked. Any bets as to how long it will remain that way? ŠтΈṜȳŁЁ^and...? 15:35, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

It was apparently so someone could add an infobox template. It was locked again within a minute of being updated. I notice daddy Bush was also unlocked for a template addition and locked with a mistake which it took Geo.plrd EIGHT attempts to fix. lulz. ɱ@δ ɱ!ɳ^Hello?/_{I did this!} 03:28, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Lol that was really quite funny. Someone needs to at least introduce him to the show preview button. -- Stevo (talk) 04:02, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

WE NEED PUBLICITY

How do we get more users? I'm the only d00d on the recent changes list, except for a few Human edits. I think that's bad. How can we recruit?-αmεσG 21:56, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

We got a few new users lately, and I would say keep posting on friendly sites, like pharyngula, richarddawkins.net, etc. I've been posting as much as I get a chance to, and i think we've gotten a little traffic from it.--PalMD^-Goatspeed! 22:03, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

Yeah, I think putting the link in appropriate places on blogs is good. We don't want a torrent, but a few per week can be assimilated reasonably well. Today was just quiet here, that's all. I still created several "articles". human^{be in} 22:08, 2 July 2007 (CDT)

You could always ask Dr. Scott of the NCSE to have her staff create lots of accounts. Heart♥Gold ^tx 00:35, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Just thinking aloud and staright off the top of my head - why don't we have an editing contest. Maybe two sysops could head up a team each and then take it in turns to pick editors. Points could be awarded for blocks if you say create five accounts for yourself and then block them all that would be equal to creating a lengthy quality article. Something along those lines would really start to get the public interested. Alternatively each sysop could have his own team.

Another tactic might be to write to the LA times and comment on how wonderful Rationalwiki is. C.f. Conservapedia - "Letters pour into the Los Angeles Times in response to its article about Conservapedia" = 3, and none of them complimentary. ɱ@δ ɱ!ɳ^Hello?/_{I did this!} 03:21, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Has anybody ever checked out [6]? There's lots of like-minded rational people over there. Maybe if you can get whoever runs the site to put up a link on the main page. --Kamuy8 08:33, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Perhaps a backbone is down, but the site seems a mite s l o w like it's on uberlow bandwidth link. But I couldn't get to www.sciam.com either this AM so maybe there is some teh internets congestion? Lur 08:44, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Lur, it's clear from the above statement that you think teh internets is a truck. Well, teh internets is NOT a truck! ollïegrïnd 08:49, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

A bus then? Lur 09:04, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Stoopid alien. ~~ CЯacke® 09:07, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Busted!!!!22 ollïegrïnd 09:09, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Olliegrind is dangerous!!!--PalMD^-Goatspeed! 09:15, 3 July 2007 (CDT)

Only when he's on his meds. ~~ CЯacke® 09:18, 3 July 2007 (CDT)